The albums that dare not speak their names

[daniellaaarisen]

Originally Posted by tabruns

I think you're not really reading Waddy's response. He said she doesn't like that part of her *life*, not that she doesn't like those albums or songs. She doesn't perform music from that period just because it reminds her about a part of her life that she doesn't want to remember right now.

That's not at all the same thing as saying flat out that she doesn't like an album, like she did with Street Angel.

Waddy tries to get her to sing it live every single tour, but she just refuses. He can convince her to do pretty much anything but she really has her foot down on this one. Shame, it'd be great to hear live.

[markolas]

I remember reading an article (or something) where Waddy Wachtel said they'd actually rehearsed "Bella Donna" for the TISL tour and decided it was too complicated for them to play. I think his comment was something like "I can't believe we actually used to play this."

It was basically the same excuse FM used for keeping "Sara" out of the set for so many years.

I don't mean to turn this into another "Stevie's setlist is so tired" thread, because I was actually thrilled that she included so many songs from IYD on this tour, and only took out one; whereas on the TISL tour, she started out with a boatload of songs from that album, and had dropped most of them by the end of the tour, I think.

I don't see Stevie including any songs from Street Angel, no matter how hard her fans lobby for it (and frankly, I don't think most of us would lobby all that hard to begin with), and I won't hold that against her, even though there are a couple of songs from that album that I really like. But would it absolutely kill her to do "Rooms on Fire" or something from RAL?

[markolas]

Originally Posted by daniellaaarisen

Waddy tries to get her to sing it live every single tour, but she just refuses. He can convince her to do pretty much anything but she really has her foot down on this one. Shame, it'd be great to hear live.

I hadn't heard this. Did you hear this from Waddy? Or someone else in the band? Why is she so adamant? Is she like this about "Rooms on Fire" in particular? So many questions!

[skcin]

Originally Posted by cactusjack

I'd even settle for Talk To Me for starters (preferably the 'la la la' version )

Many people think she couldn't pull this off vocally anymore, and that's why she doesn't do it. I think she could manage it.

Yes, Waddy told Curtis after one of the Vegas shows in May '05 that he's tried to convince Stevie to do certain songs (I believe Rooms on Fire was specified) but she just won't, because it reminds her of difficult times in her life & she doesn't want to go there. Or something to that effect.

Then in an interview a while back, she implied that she knows that casual fans really want to hear the "hits." I got really upset when I heard that, since TTM, ICW & ROF certainly were hits. Why should they get excluded over Sorcerer? Who knows?

[TheWILDheart]

As far as I'm aware, these were the last times Stevie played anything from RAL - SA:

Rock A Little:

Has Anyone Every Written Anything For You - 2008
Talk To Me - 1994
No Spoken Word - 1994
I Can't Wait - 1986

Otherside Of The Mirror:

Rooms On Fire - 1999
Whole Lotta Trouble - 1999
Two Kinds Of Love - 1989
Alice - 1989
Juliet - 1989

Street Angel:

Rose Garden - 1998
Blue Denim - 1994
Maybe Love - 1994
Docklands - 1994
Destiny - 1994

[TheWILDheart]

Funnily enough, Stevie sound checked "Whole Lotta Trouble" in 2010 for the "this is not a tour" tour. I think in the case of RAL and OSOTM, it's not that she doesn't like those songs, but is maybe lacking in confidence to perform them again after so long.

With Street Angel, we know how unhappy she was with the album and the criticism she got on that tour for her weight (rather than her voice, which was actually pretty amazing that year), so I can understand why she wouldn't want reminding of that. It's a great shame, as there are some great songs on SA that she could really do well today

[MacFan92]

This is the article where he says he "Can't believe" they used to perform Bella Donna.

http://waddywachtelinfo.com/WaddyWac...viewPart2.html

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by johnnystorms

Kick It! that would be an incredible live song!

This is the one I really want! Rooms On Fire too and I Can't Wait, Sister Honey or Imperial Hotel.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by MacFan92

This is the article where he says he "Can't believe" they used to perform Bella Donna.

http://waddywachtelinfo.com/WaddyWac...viewPart2.html

So apparently the just *listened* to the song and decided it was too hard. I find that a bit annoying, to be honest. It just sounds so lazy.

I love that he doesn't remember the names of any of the songs. "What was the fast one?" "What was the one named after a gin company?"

[markolas]

Yeah, there was a bunch of stuff in that interview that I'd forgotten. He really does try to get her to sing different songs. Interesting about him saying that Stevie felt like she couldn't pull off "Talk to Me" vocally anymore. I know it was a big hit, but it's not huge favorite of mine, and the live versions I've heard were just...meh. There are definitely songs that I think would be hard for her to do these days, but like I say...there's at least an equal amount that she'd have no problem with.

"I Sing for the Things" sounds like it'd be right up her alley today, unless that's another one that reminds her of something unpleasant. "Juliet," too.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

So would Love Is Like A River!

So would Street Angel. I love the guitar work in that song so much.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by TheWILDheart

As far as I'm aware, these were the last times Stevie played anything from RAL - SA:
Street Angel:

Rose Garden - 1998

I had forgotten that - Rose Garden was so good performed live, too.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by markolas

It's been mentioned here that Curtis (ontheedgeof17) asked Waddy Wachtel about "Rooms on Fire" at one of her concerts, and he said something like "Oh, Stevie doesn't like that part of her life, so she doesn't do those songs anymore."

Not only does Stevie no longer perform "Rooms On Fire" on stage, but she doesn't even discuss it in the liner notes for 'Crystal Visions!' She's really trying to forget that song.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Not only does Stevie no longer perform "Rooms On Fire" on stage, but she doesn't even discuss it in the liner notes for 'Crystal Visions!' She's really trying to forget that song.

Is it the only song she doesn't discuss? I wonder if it's because the song is about Rupert Hine - wasn't there speculation that the two of them were boning while he was married? Maybe she's horrified that she did that and wrote a song about it. I can sort of understand her not wanting to sing it, in that case - even if the majority of her fans would have no idea of the history behind it.

Frankly, that's why I don't particularly care to know who or what Stevie writes her songs about. I don't want to think about Stevie bonging Rupert Hine when I listen to ROF; I don't want to think about Mick Fleetwood or Stevie's aborted baby when I listen to "Sara" - I like for the song to be meaningful to *me*, not just the musical equivalent of an article in Star magazine.

[UndoingTheLaces]

I remember when she did the whole "Uplugged" section of her Enchanted show. I'd love to see something like that. Cyndi Lauper has totally reinvented some of her classics. She Bop now sounds like a sultry torch song you'd hear in a french coffee shop and Girls Just Want To Have Fun has gone through many changes. I could totally see Stevie reinventing some of her songs into something new. Look how much fun the Deep Dish version of Dreams was. Can you imagine a stripped down Rooms On Fire with just a big grand piano. Or a remake of I Sing For The Things with a string quartet.