Why have "Tusk" and "So Afraid" gotten the old man treatment?

fleetwoodguy79 · #1 10-24-2011, 10:03 PM

These are two of my favorite Lindsey songs, so apologies in advance for the complaining... but...

WHY did he do to these songs on the last couple of tours!? Including the most recent Unleashed tour, he's slowed them down, changed the key, and made them shadows of what they used to be. I can understand why he'd do that to two of his signature songs, and why the rest of Fleetwood Mac would want to perform them that way!?

What is your opinion of the new renditions? Prefer the new arrangement or the original?

elle · #2 10-24-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fleetwoodguy79

These are two of my favorite Lindsey songs, so apologies in advance for the complaining... but...

WHY did he do to these songs on the last couple of tours!? Including the most recent Unleashed tour, he's slowed them down, changed the key, and made them shadows of what they used to be. I can understand why he'd do that to two of his signature songs, and why the rest of Fleetwood Mac would want to perform them that way!?

What is your opinion of the new renditions? Prefer the new arrangement or the original?

see i feel exactly the opposite - that tusk had been a shadow of itself (along w/ SHN) throughout the last 10+ years, but he reworked them for this tour and they sound GREAT and so exciting now!

**mylittledemon** · #3 10-24-2011, 10:13 PM

My opinion? I prefer "Tusk" to be sung with Fleetwood Mac... it's... grander?

So Afraid is one of my all time favourites and I didn't like the lower key at first. What I wish is that they'd play the song (if they must) in the lower key but as they did on The Dance tour with Christine's keys and that bluesy intro.

CADreaming · #4 10-24-2011, 10:13 PM

I love the new spin on ISA!! It's amazing!!

chiliD · #5 10-24-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

So Afraid is one of my all time favourites and I didn't like the lower key at first. What I wish is that they'd play the song (if they must) in the lower key but as they did on The Dance tour with Christine's keys and that bluesy intro.

He HAD to lower the key, he couldn't sing it in Fm anymore and obviously, he couldn't sing it in the Gm it originally was recorded in. Nothing wrong with changing keys.

Nobody's complained about "Big Love" being a whole step lower than The Dance version

Heck, "Landslide" is about 5 half steps lower these days than the original recording.

WildHearted · #6 10-24-2011, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

He HAD to lower the key, he couldn't sing it in Fm anymore and obviously, he couldn't sing it in the Gm it originally was recorded in. Nothing wrong with changing keys.

Nobody's complained about "Big Love" being a whole step lower than The Dance version

Heck, "Landslide" is about 5 half steps lower these days than the original recording.

No, Landslide as sung today is actually in the same exact key as the original recording.

She used to raise it UP like 2 whole steps when she sang it live in the 70's/80's.

chiliD · #7 10-24-2011, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WildHearted

No, Landslide as sung today is actually in the same exact key as the original recording.

She used to raise it UP like 2 whole steps when she sang it live in the 70's/80's.

It wasn't on The Dance. I saw where Lindsey capoed his guitar and his finger positions...exactly the same chordal positions as in '70s except capoed down 2-1/2 whole steps (@ 4th fret instead of 7th fret as in '77)

I have live recordings from back then, I've played along...live shows in '70's same as original recording.

WildHearted · #8 10-24-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

It wasn't on The Dance. I saw where Lindsey capoed his guitar and his finger positions...exactly the same chordal positions as in '70s except capoed down 2-1/2 whole steps (@ 4th fret instead of 7th fret as in '77)

I have live recordings from back then, I've played along...live shows in '70's same as original recording.

Yeah, but the way it was played in the 70's (with the capo on the 7th fret) is not the original key of the song. Now, there may be some recordings of it that I haven't heard, where it's sung in the original key (the same as The Dance), but out of the 20 or so I do have from like 75-82, they're all 2 whole steps up from the original like you said - capo'd at the 7th fret.

If you play The Dance version and the White Album version right after each other (or alternating, or whatever, even just the intros to both of them, or Stevie's first pitch..) you can hear that they're the same.
The Dance:

White Album:

She is definitely singing the song in the exact same key as it was sung on the White Album.

iamnotafraid · #9 10-25-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fleetwoodguy79

These are two of my favorite Lindsey songs, so apologies in advance for the complaining... but...

WHY did he do to these songs on the last couple of tours!? he's slowed them down, changed the key, and made them shadows of what they used to be.

I like the title of this thread. I agree with ChiliD that he
just can't sing them in the same key anymore.

Though Tusk was one of the first FM songs I liked,
I wish he'd just drop it from his solo concerts. It's such
a waste of time, at least the way he performs it now.
He could add some new material that would suit me just
fine.

elle · #10 10-25-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

I like the title of this thread. I agree with ChiliD that he
just can't sing them in the same key anymore.

Though Tusk was one of the first FM songs I liked,
I wish he'd just drop it from his solo concerts. It's such
a waste of time, at least the way he performs it now.
He could add some new material that would suit me just
fine.

did you hear it on THIS tour? i would agree if you are talking about last few tours, solo and FM, but it has been GREAT on this tour!

iamnotafraid · #11 10-25-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by elle

did you hear it on THIS tour? i would agree if you are talking about last few tours, solo and FM, but it has been GREAT on this tour!

Elle, I have to admit I haven't heard much from
this tour. But I'll be hearing it on Blu ray soon.

elle · #12 10-25-2011, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Elle, I have to admit I haven't heard much from
this tour. But I'll be hearing it on Blu ray soon.

yeah, Saban version is similar to the version on the tour - i was very pleasantly surprised when i heard Tusk at Saban. before this makeover i also thought it sounded tired.

**mylittledemon** · #13 10-25-2011, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

He HAD to lower the key, he couldn't sing it in Fm anymore and obviously, he couldn't sing it in the Gm it originally was recorded in. Nothing wrong with changing keys.

Nobody's complained about "Big Love" being a whole step lower than The Dance version

yeah i guess that happens. I did recognize that Big Love had changed though it's not too noticeable. He might also be playing it slower as well. I think it's more of a pity what he's done to NGBA more than So Afraid or Tusk.

**mylittledemon** · #14 10-25-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

It wasn't on The Dance. I saw where Lindsey capoed his guitar and his finger positions...exactly the same chordal positions as in '70s except capoed down 2-1/2 whole steps (@ 4th fret instead of 7th fret as in '77)

I could swear that The Dance version of Landslide is capo'ed on the 3rd fret

iamnotafraid · #15 10-25-2011, 01:16 AM

Off topic but littleD I watched another one of
you videos on YouTube. Good job brother.
Next time wear the Bat Mask!