Fleetwood Mac on Ellen

[JohnL]

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/pride/8472245/cher-nicki-minaj-fleetwood-mac-new-season-ellen-details

[jbrownsjr]

Thank you for posting.

[aleuzzi]

Thanks, JohnL. I am VERY curious how this will look and sound.

[JohnL]

Thanks, JohnL. I am VERY curious how this will look and sound.

I am also. I think it will be interesting from all perspectives. How the band itself actually sounds and how these three voices gel. I can’t wait. I didn’t realize we would get an opportunity before the iHeartRadio festival.

[guillamene]

OK -which "two of their classic hit songs" do you predict they will perform?
I would go for....'Oh Well' or certainly something from the P.G. era and, of course ,M.C. has done it with T.P. and...'The Chain' maybe(although I suspect it will be something of Stevie's- which is hard to predict as it highlights, once again, that most of the 'classic hits' are either L.B. or C.McVie numbers.....)

[Sugar Mouse]

And what songs will they play?

I'm sure there has been a ton of internal debate over the song choices.

My guess is these are the songs in contention for The Ellen Show:

The Chain
You Make Loving Fun
Rhiannon
Sara
Gypsy
Dreams
Everywhere
Little Lies

[JohnL]

OK -which "two of their classic hit songs" do you predict they will perform?
I would go for....'Oh Well' or certainly something from the P.G. era and, of course ,M.C. has done it with T.P. and...'The Chain' maybe(although I suspect it will be something of Stevie's- which is hard to predict as it highlights, once again, that most of the 'classic hits' are either L.B. or C.McVie numbers.....)

Personally I do not believe they will play oh well on Ellen. That is not a classic Fleetwood Mac hit. I think it will be a Christine song and a Stevie song with harmony is provided by Neil. However The Chain May be played also. You just couldn’t leave without that last comment though could you? Let’s see. Rhiannon, landslide, dreams, gypsy, gold Dust Woman, the words to the chain, Silver Spring, do I need to go on? Unreal. If anything Christine and Stevie have the most hits.

[bombaysaffires]

And what songs will they play?

I'm sure there has been a ton of internal debate over the song choices.

My guess is these are the songs in contention for The Ellen Show:

The Chain
You Make Loving Fun
Rhiannon
Sara
Gypsy
Dreams
Everywhere
Little Lies


The Chain--this would be the height of effed-upness as it speaks to the cohesion through adversity of the five
You Make Loving Fun -- I'd bet on Don't Stop before this. It's an anthem now and also has the instant recognition factor
Rhiannon mmmaaayyyyyybeee....it does have that instant recognition factor
Sara -- NOPE
Gypsy-- pooooossibly
Dreams-- this has been a staple of her solo set so this has better probability
Everywhere -- NOPE
Little Lies -- nope

OH well is a bit of a niche song, not a major reminder of who they are for the casual listener. They aren't playing to die hards on Ellen, so......


Don't Dream It's Over? To highlight the new mix??

Landslide is another instant recognition song

Say You Love Me is another nice, upbeat song, but I bet they will stay focused on Rumours.

If I had to bet on just two, I'd go with one Chris and one Stevie Don't Stop and Landslide. (but Rhiannon and then Dreams would be alternates for the Stevie song).

[bwboy]

I think they will perform Little Lies and Rhiannon. However, Seven Wonders is also a remote possibility, since American Horror Story returns in early September, and Stevie sang that on the show before.

I think the band wants to showcase 2 things with the Ellen show: first, Stevie and Christine's stage presence and second, how Neil and Mike blend in with the band. The harmonies on Little Lies and the guitar playing on Rhiannon would accomplish both and show us all how well Neil and Mike can gel with the others.

[FuzzyPlum]

Personally I do not believe they will play oh well on Ellen. That is not a classic Fleetwood Mac hit. I think it will be a Christine song and a Stevie song with harmony is provided by Neil. However The Chain May be played also. You just couldn’t leave without that last comment though could you? Let’s see. Rhiannon, landslide, dreams, gypsy, gold Dust Woman, the words to the chain, Silver Spring, do I need to go on? Unreal. If anything Christine and Stevie have the most hits.


You seem to be regarding 'hits' as notable/famous songs. Traditionally, of course, hits are 'hit singles'.
Landslide was not a hit single
Gold Dust Woman was not a hit single
The Chain was not a hit single
Silver Springs was not a hit single

Chris has had the most hits by some distance. Stevie probably just sneaks ahead of Lindsey.

As far as Ellen- I'd expect Little Lies and Dreams. Chris and Stevie will be out there as the faces of the band. They need to shift tickets and wont jeopardize that by playing anything featuring the newbies. Indeed they desperately need to get their big hits out there and exposed now more than ever.
Little Lies and Dreams, though Don't Stop is a very good shout.

[JohnL]

You seem to be regarding 'hits' as notable/famous songs. Traditionally, of course, hits are 'hit singles'.
Landslide was not a hit single
Gold Dust Woman was not a hit single
The Chain was not a hit single
Silver Springs was not a hit single

Chris has had the most hits by some distance. Stevie probably just sneaks ahead of Lindsey.

As far as Ellen- I'd expect Little Lies and Dreams. Chris and Stevie will be out there as the faces of the band. They need to shift tickets and wont jeopardize that by playing anything featuring the newbies. Indeed they desperately need to get their big hits out there and exposed now more than ever.
Little Lies and Dreams, though Don't Stop is a very good shout.

OK I will bite. I left off Sara and a Seven Wonders. The only two Lindsay songs that were hits then are go your own way and big love. That’s not squeaking ahead of Lindsey. Even if I am missing one or two it’s still not squeaking ahead of Lindsey.

[JohnL]

OK I will bite. I left off Sara and a Seven Wonders. The only two Lindsay songs that were hits then are go your own way and big love. That’s not squeaking ahead of Lindsey. Even if I am missing one or two it’s still not squeaking ahead of Lindsey.

I have to beg to differ that landslide and Silver springs weren’t hit singles. Landslide was a fairly big hit with the dance reunion as well as Silver springs. I think they were both in the top 20 singles chart. Also as you know Silver springs was nominated for a Grammy.

[iamnotafraid]

Fleetwood Mac on daytime TV.
Somehow it fits.

[FuzzyPlum]

OK I will bite. I left off Sara and a Seven Wonders. The only two Lindsay songs that were hits then are go your own way and big love. That’s not squeaking ahead of Lindsey. Even if I am missing one or two it’s still not squeaking ahead of Lindsey.

I have to beg to differ that landslide and Silver springs weren’t hit singles. Landslide was a fairly big hit with the dance reunion as well as Silver springs. I think they were both in the top 20 singles chart. Also as you know Silver springs was nominated for a Grammy.


I'm really not trying to be pedantic. When an artist releases a Greatest Hits album its generally songs released as singles (hence the notable absences from Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits). Not sure what chart you'd be thinking of but as far as I'm concerned- no, neither Landslide nor Silver Springs reached anywhere near the top 20.

Add Tusk to Lindsey's list. A shout could go to Oh Dianne as well as it was a UK top 10. Indeed the US version of GH has 4 Stevie (discounting NQA) and 3 Lindsey. The UK release has 5 Stevie, 4 Lindsey. Of course, the additional Stevie song is Seven Wonders; Great song. Sung by Stevie but not really written by her.

So yes, I think it would be fair to say Stevie sneaks ahead of Lindsey in terms of hit singles with Fleetwood Mac.


Of course, as far as the TV station promoting the Ellen show is concerned- they wont be distinguishing between hit singles and famous songs, so really it could be any, though I'd stick with Little Lies (or maybe Dont Stop) and Dreams

[JohnL]

Fleetwood Mac on daytime TV.
Somehow it fits.

Yes probably the most popular television show on daytime right now. The same show that bands like Maroon 5 and every other big-name has appeared on in the last two or three years. Stop with the negativity and the bad feelings. The band goes on and will be successful on this tour whether you like it or not.

[JohnL]

I'm really not trying to be pedantic. When an artist releases a Greatest Hits album its generally songs released as singles (hence the notable absences from Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits). Not sure what chart you'd be thinking of but as far as I'm concerned- no, neither Landslide nor Silver Springs reached anywhere near the top 20.

Add Tusk to Lindsey's list. A shout could go to Oh Dianne as well as it was a UK top 10. Indeed the US version of GH has 4 Stevie (discounting NQA) and 3 Lindsey. The UK release has 5 Stevie, 4 Lindsey. Of course, the additional Stevie song is Seven Wonders; Great song. Sung by Stevie but not really written by her.

So yes, I think it would be fair to say Stevie sneaks ahead of Lindsey in terms of hit singles with Fleetwood Mac.


Of course, as far as the TV station promoting the Ellen show is concerned- they wont be distinguishing between hit singles and famous songs, so really it could be any, though I'd stick with Little Lies (or maybe Dont Stop) and Dreams

Landslide peaked at number 10 and silver springs at number five on the adult contemporary chart. Good enough for me. They were hits in the late 90s.

[FuzzyPlum]

Landslide peaked at number 10 and silver springs at number five on the adult contemporary chart. Good enough for me. They were hits in the late 90s.

US Adult Contemporary Chart?
errrr, that doesn't mean sh!t :lol:

[JohnL]

US Adult Contemporary Chart?
errrr, that doesn't mean sh!t :lol:


You know what really doesn’t mean ****? Your opinion. Have a great day :-)

[FuzzyPlum]

You know what really doesn’t mean ****? Your opinion. Have a great day :-)

Oh, that's nice.
How lovely it was speaking with you.
Don't have a nice day.

[JohnL]

Oh, that's nice.
How lovely it was speaking with you.
Don't have a nice day.

Oh poor thing got your feelings hurt from being nasty? Sorry. Still wish you have a great day.

[FuzzyPlum]

Oh poor thing got your feelings hurt from being nasty? Sorry. Still wish you have a great day.

F*****g weirdo.

[JohnL]

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1234873]F*****g weirdo.[/QUOTE

I have a few choice names for you also. But hopefully you just said enough to get your ass banned. You people are embarrassing yourselves over and over. Take it somewhere else. Moderators I object to the name calling.

[FuzzyPlum]

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1234873]F*****g weirdo.[/QUOTE

I have a few choice names for you also. But hopefully you just said enough to get your ass banned. You people are embarrassing yourselves over and over. Take it somewhere else. Moderators I object to the name calling.


'You people'??????
I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what the hell you are talking about.
:shrug:

[JohnL]

[QUOTE=JohnL;1234874]


'You people'??????
I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what the hell you are talking about.
:shrug:

I am talking about people who don’t have anything positive to say about this new flavor of the band. If you don’t like it then don’t read the posts and if you read the post keep your opinion to yourself unless you have something constructive to say. Fleetwood Mac is the way it is now. There is nothing you can do about it. So why do you all continue to do this? My initial post was simply a notification of them being on television and this is what I get.

[FuzzyPlum]

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1234875]

I am talking about people who don’t have anything positive to say about this new flavor of the band. If you don’t like it then don’t read the posts and if you read the post keep your opinion to yourself unless you have something constructive to say. Fleetwood Mac is the way it is now. There is nothing you can do about it. So why do you all continue to do this? My initial post was simply a notification of them being on television and this is what I get.

?????????
Get outta here.
I'm actually relatively neutral. Whilst I hate whats happened, believe Mick to be a spineless a$$ and have no plans to see a FM show (if they even come to the UK) I'm actually a bit of a fan of Neil Finn.
I've not said anything negative other than to enter into a discussion about what constitutes a 'hit'. Perhaps you should go back and re-read what I've written.
To say 'your opinion really doesn't mean sh!t' is not very nice is it? Poor manners, old boy.

[JohnL]

[QUOTE=JohnL;1234876]

?????????
Get outta here.
I'm actually relatively neutral. Whilst I hate whats happened, believe Mick to be a spineless a$$ and have no plans to see a FM show (if they even come to the UK) I'm actually a bit of a fan of Neil Finn.
I've not said anything negative other than to enter into a discussion about what constitutes a 'hit'. Perhaps you should go back and re-read what I've written.
To say 'your opinion really doesn't mean sh!t' is not very nice is it? Poor manners, old boy.

I simply pointed out a fact about Fleetwood Mac’s charting on the adult contemporary chart. You said it didn’t mean ****. I told you your opinion didn’t mean **** to me. You then called me an unacceptable name. Don’t even try to put this on me and don’t call me old either.

[FuzzyPlum]

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1234879]

I simply pointed out a fact about Fleetwood Mac’s charting on the adult contemporary chart. You said it didn’t mean ****. I told you your opinion didn’t mean **** to me. You then called me an unacceptable name. Don’t even try to put this on me and don’t call me old either.


It's just an English term. Now you mention it though...possibly you are very, very, very young.

[JohnL]

[QUOTE=JohnL;1234880]


It's just an English term. Now you mention it though...possibly you are very, very, very young.

It’s fine. Just continue the insults. I find it entertaining. There are several folks here that think they can use twisted complements to insult other people. I don’t find it acceptable.

[Angel75]

[QUOTE=JohnL;1234880]


It's just an English term.

Agreed....Old boy is not an offensive term, in fact it's mildly affectionate...Americans might use buddy,pal or dude...Australians use mate ;)

[JohnL]

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1234881]

Agreed....Old boy is not an offensive term, in fact it's mildly affectionate...Americans might use buddy,pal or dude...Australians use mate ;)

That’s fine. I simply asked him or her not to call me old. Then they turned around to imply I was immature. It just keeps getting better here.

[FuzzyPlum]

[QUOTE=FuzzyPlum;1234881]

It’s fine. Just continue the insults. I find it entertaining. There are several folks here that think they can use twisted complements to insult other people. I don’t find it acceptable.


JohnL;
In the middle of a reasonable discussion I happened to mention that I didn't feel the Adult Contemporary Chart meant sh!t. I stand by this. Maybe its a bigger thing than I'm aware of. However, I stand by the notion that songs that chart highly on the ACC aren't necessarily what you'd describe as hits. Indeed, Save Me and Skies the Limit were ACC top ten hits and yet the latter didn't even dent the main US billboard 200. However, this led to a very rude comment about my opinion not meaning sh!t. Very out of order.

I think you've got me quite wrong. I'll not say anymore on this subject. For the benefit of both of us I respectfully request you do not reply.
Cheers young man.

[JohnL]

[QUOTE=JohnL;1234882]


JohnL;
In the middle of a reasonable discussion I happened to mention that I didn't feel the Adult Contemporary Chart meant sh!t. I stand by this. Maybe its a bigger thing than I'm aware of. However, I stand by the notion that songs that chart highly on the ACC aren't necessarily what you'd describe as hits. Indeed, Save Me and Skies the Limit were ACC top ten hits and yet the latter didn't even dent the main US billboard 200. However, this led to a very rude comment about my opinion not meaning sh!t. Very out of order.

I think you've got me quite wrong. I'll not say anymore on this subject. For the benefit of both of us I respectfully request you do not reply.
Cheers young man.

I think you hit the nail on the head here. You were respectful in your last post. I didn’t say anything off-color to you at all until you laughed and said that didn’t mean ****. So I said the same thing to you. And it went downhill from there fast and it wasn’t because of me. I can’t win for losing here. All I did was to come here to tell people that Fleetwood Mac was going to be on Ellen. And I see you conveniently left off the point where you called me a ****ing weirdo.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, that's nice.
How lovely it was speaking with you.
Don't have a nice day.

Don't upset the old boy, or he'll threaten to leave, and never return.

Which translates to roughly 24 hours. :D

[JohnL]

Don't upset the old boy, or he'll threaten to leave, and never return.

Which translates to roughly 24 hours. :D

I won’t even give you the satisfaction of 24 hours anymore. Too bad so sad. I’m not going anywhere. Oh and guess what you’re not longer on my block list so we can go at it as much as you start.

[Iamwilliame]

Don't Stop and Free Fallin'.

[JohnL]

Don't Stop and Free Fallin'.

I would love that. Pretty much everyone knows Petty’s music and that Fleetwood Mac are closely attached to that. Good idea.

[HomerMcvie]

I won’t even give you the satisfaction of 24 hours anymore. Too bad so sad. I’m not going anywhere. Oh and guess what you’re not longer on my block list so we can go at it as much as you start.

You're just too much. Literally.

[JohnL]

You're just too much. Literally.

Believe me I feel the same way about you.

[HomerMcvie]

Believe me I feel the same way about you.

I'm not angry, at all. You seem CONSUMED by anger.

Good luck with that.

[JohnL]

I'm not angry, at all. You seem CONSUMED by anger.

Good luck with that.

Who are you kidding? I didn’t say one single angry thing in this whole thread. Don’t even try it. Your opinion is not wanted on anything I post anyway. You on the other hand may have some issues you may want to talk to someone about. A hate relationship with a rock ‘n’ roll icon that you’ve never met and seem to have disgusting hate feelings towards. Seems a little troublesome to me.

[sue]

Dreams
Don’t stop.

[FuzzyPlum]

I would love that. Pretty much everyone knows Petty’s music and that Fleetwood Mac are closely attached to that. Good idea.

Grrrr...cant hold back from commenting....

Young man, this is Fleetwood Mac, not Tom Petty. There is nothing that would anger me more than Fleetwood Mac playing a Tom Petty song at on a TV show in promotion of a Fleetwood Mac tour.
It's Fleetwood f*****g Mac.

[JohnL]

Dreams
Don’t stop.


I totally agree with this. I know a lot of people are tired of hearing Dreams but I am not one of them. Thanks for chiming in.

[Nick]

I'm sure the crybabies will tune in. Lindsey is gone, get over it.

[JohnL]

Grrrr...cant hold back from commenting....

Young man, this is Fleetwood Mac, not Tom Petty. There is nothing that would anger me more than Fleetwood Mac playing a Tom Petty song at on a TV show in promotion of a Fleetwood Mac tour.
It's Fleetwood f*****g Mac.

That’s fine. You can have your opinion also. I think it would be a tribute to Tom Petty. It is what it is. We will see what they sing.

[HomerMcvie]

Who are you kidding? I didn’t say one single angry thing in this whole thread. Don’t even try it. Your opinion is not wanted on anything I post anyway. You on the other hand may have some issues you may want to talk to someone about. A hate relationship with a rock ‘n’ roll icon that you’ve never met and seem to have disgusting hate feelings towards. Seems a little troublesome to me.
You seem to desperately want to be in control here. Yet you have no control here. :lol::lol::lol:

[Buster]

I'm sure the crybabies will tune in. Lindsey is gone, get over it.

While holding protest signs in front of their TVs

[JohnL]

You seem to desperately want to be in control here. Yet you have no control here. :lol::lol::lol:

Anyone that knows anything about what has gone on here would laugh at that. You have turned this board into a total joke. This used to be such a pleasurable place to discuss this band. Now it’s a place we can come and be attacked by people who hate Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood.

[JohnL]

Its a place you can come to and be told your opinion means sh!t
Nice

Yes that is exactly what you did to me.

[Alison]

Now I know why I don't come around here very often, all the fighting and name calling. I work in early childhood education and the kids don't fight half as much as the adults on this site. I remember when this place used to be fun and exciting. It seems a handful of people have taken over and become bullies. That is just how I see it. We use to be a family here that was united by the love of music. I want the old days back.

[JohnL]

Now I know why I don't come around here very often, all the fighting and name calling. I work in early childhood education and the kids don't fight half as much as the adults on this site. I remember when this place used to be fun and exciting. It seems a handful of people have taken over and become bullies. That is just how I see it. We use to be a family here that was united by the love of music. I want the old days back.

So do I. I’m not sure if you’re including me in that bunch or not but I just can’t sit here silently and take this crap anymore.

[Alison]

Wasn't really directed at you John...but I can't really speak to the main people I feel I see as bullies, cause you know I really don't want to be bullied myself.
People, we are adults. With all that is going on in the world right now......can we just focus on loving each other as fellow humans.

[Nick]

While holding protest signs in front of their TVs

Haha. Yep.

[JohnL]

Wasn't really directed at you John...but I can't really speak to the main people I feel I see as bullies, cause you know I really don't want to be bullied myself.
People, we are adults. With all that is going on in the world right now......can we just focus on loving each other as fellow humans.

I agree. I wish it weren’t happening. I posted here for years and years and never had anything like this happen to me at all. However I’ve always been told that you need to fight back against bullies and I am doing that. It’s a little exhausting but I’m not gonna be pushed off this board that I have a been a member of for over 20 years.

[Alison]

I understand John. I have been a Fleetwood Mac fan since 1975. This band has given us great music for decades. I never thought that they would still be around at this point in my life. I'm grateful for that. This group of people that make up Fleetwood Mac are flawed humans like all of us. Yes, they have disappointed me and had many missed opportunities, and done stupid and crazy things. But I'm grateful for the run they had and still might have.
These people are not my relatives or close friends, we don't personally know them or share their thoughts, even though some on here might think they do.
My mom is dying of cancer right now.....Our families and loved ones should be more important than all the fighting. Maybe some people really don't have much of a life away from this board, if you don't, that is not healthy. People get a grip.

[JohnL]

I understand John. I have been a Fleetwood Mac fan since 1975. This band has given us great music for decades. I never thought that they would still be around at this point in my life. I'm grateful for that. This group of people that make up Fleetwood Mac are flawed humans like all of us. Yes, they have disappointed me and had many missed opportunities, and done stupid and crazy things. But I'm grateful for the run they had and still might have.
These people are not my relatives or close friends, we don't personally know them or share their thoughts, even though some on here might think they do.
My mom is dying of cancer right now.....Our families and loved ones should be more important than all the fighting. Maybe some people really don't have much of a life away from this board, if you don't, that is not healthy. People get a grip.

I am truly sorry about your mother. Cancer is just the worst enemy of everyone. Stay strong.

[Storms123]

Stevie has done the Ellen show quite a bit. They have a nice repoire with each other. Smart move by them. They need to do a song that will highlight Neil's voice melding with Stevie and Christine's. "The Chain" makes the most sense. but could see them throwing in "Don't Stop" instead.
The other is I could see "Dreams" or "Rhiannon" LB's arrangements are pretty recognized on both of these so wonder if they take a different approach this go-around. We shall see!

[Alison]

Thanks John, it's a long road ahead.

[JohnL]

Stevie has done the Ellen show quite a bit. They have a nice repoire with each other. Smart move by them. They need to do a song that will highlight Neil's voice melding with Stevie and Christine's. "The Chain" makes the most sense. but could see them throwing in "Don't Stop" instead.
The other is I could see "Dreams" or "Rhiannon" LB's arrangements are pretty recognized on both of these so wonder if they take a different approach this go-around. We shall see!

That is part of the excitement for me. Let’s see how these new band members mix things up and bring a different sound to these classic songs. I’m psyched.

[Alison]

I'm excited about it too. I have done my grieving for what was, now to move on and accept the band as it is.

[Storms123]

That is part of the excitement for me. Let’s see how these new band members mix things up and bring a different sound to these classic songs. I’m psyched.


I'm not there yet--but I appreciate the excitement by many fans

[JohnL]

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I'm not there yet--but I appreciate the excitement by many fans

Maybe it will happen when you see them perform live? I’m looking forward to it. I think the band will all be in a good mood also since the drama is gone.

[Storms123]

Maybe it will happen when you see them perform live? I’m looking forward to it. I think the band will all be in a good mood also since the drama is gone.

Going to be honest, at this point, I have no plans to go to a show. I've seen them at least 10 times over the years. Hands down my favorite band ever. TPH close second so you'd think I'd be a bit overjoyed by the change up.
It's inevitable I will see them perform (snippets on line, Ellen, etc). I love Stevie (have seen her solo many times) and love Lindsey. Will fully support their solo efforts.
The manipulation and back pedaling as to what went down isn't sitting well with me as a fan right now. I feel the "perceived" dishonesty around it to be disrespectful to fans who've supported them (like myself) over the years. If they all would have just been forthright from the beginning, I might have a different view. Dramatic perhaps, but hell, it's FM so it's kind of fitting :)

[JohnL]

Going to be honest, at this point, I have no plans to go to a show. I've seen them at least 10 times over the years. Hands down my favorite band ever. TPH close second so you'd think I'd be a bit overjoyed by the change up.
It's inevitable I will see them perform (snippets on line, Ellen, etc). I love Stevie (have seen her solo many times) and love Lindsey. Will fully support their solo efforts.
The manipulation and back pedaling as to what went down isn't sitting well with me as a fan right now. I feel the "perceived" dishonesty around it to be disrespectful to fans who've supported them (like myself) over the years. If they all would have just been forthright from the beginning, I might have a different view. Dramatic perhaps, but hell, it's FM so it's kind of fitting :)

I get it. It’s totally your choice. I kind of feel like no one is telling any details about what happened with Lindsey because it isn’t pretty and it really isn’t any of our business. I know Fleetwood Mac has always been full of drama but now they’re 70 years old. I don’t think they need that anymore. They just need to perform their hearts out and keep us fans interested. Everyone knows I am mostly a Stevie fan however I love Christine. I love the rhythm section of John and Mick. I was never much of a Lindsey fan just because of his personality. I really am not trying to be rude with that he just always rubbed me the wrong way. He’s an awesome guitar player and I hope he does well on his own. His solo stuff just doesn’t interest me.

[Storms123]

I get it. It’s totally your choice. I kind of feel like no one is telling any details about what happened with Lindsey because it isn’t pretty and it really isn’t any of our business. I know Fleetwood Mac has always been full of drama but now they’re 70 years old. I don’t think they need that anymore. They just need to perform their hearts out and keep us fans interested. Everyone knows I am mostly a Stevie fan however I love Christine. I love the rhythm section of John and Mick. I was never much of a Lindsey fan just because of his personality. I really am not trying to be rude with that he just always rubbed me the wrong way. He’s an awesome guitar player and I hope he does well on his own. His solo stuff just doesn’t interest me.

Maybe there were 1 or 2 ring leaders but I believe all 5 of them are to blame here. This chapter just adds to the drama! Saddens me this is how it will all potentially end and I do think it leaves an unattractive "footnote" on the band. But like I said--it's FM so the drama is a given

[JohnL]

Maybe there were 1 or 2 ring leaders but I believe all 5 of them are to blame here. This chapter just adds to the drama! Saddens me this is how it will all potentially end and I do think it leaves an unattractive "footnote" on the band. But like I said--it's FM so the drama is a given

Yeah no one wanted to see them end this way. I think sometimes you just reach your point of no return. I think things are said in anger that can never be taken back. I guess it’s time to go onward and upward at least for another tour and hopefully another few new songs out or even another album.

[button-lip]

I'm sure the crybabies will tune in. Lindsey is gone, get over it.

Gone? To where? Oh, you mean FIRED? Yep, fired by the Dreams girl.

[button-lip]

I understand John. I have been a Fleetwood Mac fan since 1975. This band has given us great music for decades. I never thought that they would still be around at this point in my life. I'm grateful for that. This group of people that make up Fleetwood Mac are flawed humans like all of us. Yes, they have disappointed me and had many missed opportunities, and done stupid and crazy things. But I'm grateful for the run they had and still might have.

Sorry, but I can't be grateful for the way they treated one of their bandmates.
And they're doing it for the money. All of it.

[JohnL]

Sorry, but I can't be grateful for the way they treated one of their bandmates.
And they're doing it for the money. All of it.

If there is one thing I know it’s Lindsey is not a victim. He may play a martyr on television and in concert but that mouth got him into too much trouble this time.

[DownOnRodeo]

We can't dismiss the Ellen show as mere 'daytime' fare obviously (it's as big as or even bigger than the Oprah show was, right?), but I think it's an interesting choice. Maybe I'm wrong, but ever since SYW, the band's 'tour launch' TV appearances have always been on the major breakfast shows like GMA, right? And whereas the morning show appearances are rather drawn out and involve awkward live interviews, any talking appearances on 'Ellen' tend to be very scripted and very brief. So my take on it is that they knew their post-firing interviews had been disastrous and that 'Ellen' would be a safer bet on that front. They might even forego the talking part altogether (like when Lindsey appeared on 'Ellen' for Under the Skin).

[onlynow]

Does Ellen always air mid-afternoon, or will it air in the morning somewhere?

[JohnL]

Does Ellen always air mid-afternoon, or will it air in the morning somewhere?

All I can tell you is I know it plays at three in the afternoon where I am.

[HomerMcvie]

He may play a martyr on television and in concert

Pot, meet kettle.

[JohnL]

Pot, meet kettle.

Oh that hurts so bad. I am not your victim that’s for damn sure. You aren’t important enough to me to feel anything about what you say. You’re just irritating. You know like that fly that buzzes around your head. One day the flyswatter will catch it.

[JohnL]

Pot, meet kettle.

Maybe you should try another one of your goat jokes and see if you get any laughs for the 3 million time?

[HomerMcvie]

You're a martyr if ever there was one.

I've never been a victim a day in my life. You appear to be nothing but one. Constantly.

Makes me actually kind of pity you. :(

[bombaysaffires]

If there is one thing I know it’s Lindsey is not a victim. He may play a martyr on television and in concert but that mouth got him into too much trouble this time.

and how, pray tell, do you "know" this?

Interesting how when people say Stevie was behind the firing lots of folks get all up in arms "how do you know?" "how do you know?" "you're just hating on Stevie" blah blah blah.

Somehow, however, we just "know" that Lindsey ran his big mouth.

[JohnL]

You're a martyr if ever there was one.

I've never been a victim a day in my life. You appear to be nothing but one. Constantly.

Makes me actually kind of pity you. :(

Too bad I don’t pity you. You are a mean spirited person. You have and will continue to be the end of this board if you don’t stop your crap.

[JohnL]

and how, pray tell, do you "know" this?

Interesting how when people say Stevie was behind the firing lots of folks get all up in arms "how do you know?" "how do you know?" "you're just hating on Stevie" blah blah blah.

Somehow, however, we just "know" that Lindsey ran his big mouth.

I guess my first clue was that every band member remains in the band other than Lindsey.

[JohnL]

You're a martyr if ever there was one.

I've never been a victim a day in my life. You appear to be nothing but one. Constantly.

Makes me actually kind of pity you. :(

I find it interesting that you don’t even bother to offer anything of relevance related to this thread other than to dog me. I don’t want to deal with you anymore but if you continue this we will go at it until the ****ing cows come home.

[iamnotafraid]

Yes probably the most popular television show on daytime right now. The same show that bands like Maroon 5 and every other big-name has appeared on in the last two or three years. Stop with the negativity and the bad feelings. The band goes on and will be successful on this tour whether you like it or not.

Johnnyboy,
What I was saying is that Fakewood Mac used to be
above daytime TV or even Carson and Letterman.
How times have changed.

Find those med's, you need them. Have a happy.

[JohnL]

Johnnyboy,
What I was saying is that Fakewood Mac used to be
above daytime TV or even Carson and Letterman.
How times have changed.

Find those med's, you need them. Have a happy.

Yeah right. You have a wonderful day yourself. No one believes it. The use of the term fake wood Mac shows your intentions anyway. Don’t you have anything better to do? I’m done being harassed on this board for posting things in support of a band that I love. Maybe you need to take some meds and go to bed.

[iamnotafraid]

Don’t you have anything better to do?

Nothing better than to talk to you. What's up?
How's the world treating you? Everything's going
to be okay.

[JohnL]

Nothing better than to talk to you. What's up?
How's the world treating you? Everything's going
to be okay.


I’m actually pretty wonderful.

[iamnotafraid]

I’m actually pretty wonderful.

Why are you wonderful?

[JohnL]

Why are you wonderful?

My life is wonderful. I have a great job. I have the great supportive family. I don’t want for anything. I have no complaints other than being bullied here from time to time. I am not referring to you.

[JohnL]

Why are you wonderful?
oh and I forgot to mention that I am truly excited about this new version of Fleetwood Mac. I know some people are not but I don’t think I should be subjected to all of this just because I am. It’s crazy.

[button-lip]

If there is one thing I know it’s Lindsey is not a victim. He may play a martyr on television and in concert but that mouth got him into too much trouble this time.

THEY fired HIM. Not the other way around. Don't rewrite history. :rolleyes:

[button-lip]

I guess my first clue was that every band member remains in the band other than Lindsey.

Yeah, breach of contract, that's what it's called. Not "Lindsey is so bad we all got together and fired him".

Christine made it clear she was not part of the decision.

[JohnL]

THEY fired HIM. Not the other way around. Don't rewrite history. :rolleyes:

They sure did. They sure did. They being the keyword here. Normally people don’t get fired without cause. And Christine still remains in the band the last time I heard so she must not be that upset about it. If she had a guilty conscience or thought Lindsey was fired without reason I’m sure she would probably take a stand.

[button-lip]

They sure did. They sure did. They being the keyword here. Normally people don’t get fired without cause. And Christine still remains in the band the last time I heard so she must not be that upset about it. If she had a guilty conscience or thought Lindsey was fired without reason I’m sure she would probably take a stand.

You also don't get fired after 43 years for nothing. So tell me, what did Lindey do that was so horrible to get himself fired? There has to be something really bad.

I see all the band members and their pets alive, so... :shrug:

You can't take a stand if you're under contract.

[bombaysaffires]

who is this a-hole and how did he hijack a thread with whiny bs?

[JohnL]

You also don't get fired after 43 years for nothing. So tell me, what did Lindey do that was so horrible to get himself fired? There has to be something really bad.

I see all the band members and their pets alive, so... :shrug:

You can't take a stand if you're under contract.

These people have known each other for almost 50,years now. Of course they can take a stand if they are under contract. Of course she could say something about what happened if she felt driven to. You aren’t going to change my mind and I’m not going to change yours. Christine has only been back in the band for a few years. They would let her walk away if she was that dead set on Lindsey being pushed out of the band. It’s not like they’re going to sue her something.

[JohnL]

who is this a-hole and how did he hijack a thread with whiny bs?


Call it out. Who are you referring to?

[button-lip]

These people have known each other for almost 50,years now. Of course they can take a stand if they are under contract. Of course she could say something about what happened if she felt driven to. You aren’t going to change my mind and I’m not going to change yours. Christine has only been back in the band for a few years. They would let her walk away if she was that dead set on Lindsey being pushed out of the band. It’s not like they’re going to sue her something.


Did I say I want to change your mind? Nope.

You say it yourself. She has been back in the band for a few years. She's not gonna leave again for some stupid argument between Stevie and Lindsey. And she made it very clear she knew about Lindsey's firing once she was back in London. She would have never mentioned it if her opinion on the matter wasn't important to her. So, yeah, she said something. But it was not exactly supporting the band.

[JohnL]

Did I say I want to change your mind? Nope.

You say it yourself. She has been back in the band for a few years. She's not gonna leave again for some stupid argument between Stevie and Lindsey. And she made it very clear she knew about Lindsey's firing once she was back in London. She would have never mentioned it if her opinion on the matter wasn't important to her. So, yeah, she said something. But it was not exactly supporting the band.

And it definitely wasn’t supporting Lindsay either. I’m tired of this argument. I just wanted to talk about Fleetwood Mac being on Ellen. Somehow every post here turns into a discussion about why Lindsey is no longer in the band.

[JohnL]

who is this a-hole and how did he hijack a thread with whiny bs?

Say what you want I couldnt care less. It’s hard to hijack a thread that I started. Look in the mirror. And wash out that potty mouth.

[HomerMcvie]

Say what you want I couldnt care less. It’s hard to hijack a thread that I started. Look in the mirror. And wash out that potty mouth.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Potty mouth.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[johnnystorms]

Too bad I don’t pity you. You are a mean spirited person. You have and will continue to be the end of this board if you don’t stop your crap.
THIS!!!!!!!

[johnnystorms]

Johnnyboy,
What I was saying is that Fakewood Mac used to be
above daytime TV or even Carson and Letterman.
How times have changed.

Find those med's, you need them. Have a happy.

ALL big time bands and stars were back then! Times have changed! You have to get on those bookings now, since radio play and record store presence is not so relevant anymore.

[bombaysaffires]

Call it out. Who are you referring to?

You, Thomas Markle.

[Angel75]

I see all the band members and their pets alive, so... :shrug:



This made me laugh out loud :wavey:

[Angel75]

They sure did. They sure did. They being the keyword here. Normally people don’t get fired without cause. And Christine still remains in the band the last time I heard so she must not be that upset about it. If she had a guilty conscience or thought Lindsey was fired without reason I’m sure she would probably take a stand.

I actually agree with you .... I can't move past the fact Christine didn't make a stand. Stevie's behaviour and firing of Lindsey was premeditated and cruel, yet predictable. Sadly I felt Christine lived by more values of honesty and integrity, clearly she doesn't. She could have done SOMETHING....

[iamnotafraid]

ALL big time bands and stars were back then! Times have changed! You have to get on those bookings now, since radio play and record store presence is not so relevant anymore.

Not all. I mentioned how times have changed
and not for the better. And you don't have to
go on those shows, you choose to.

Being a sell-out just cheapens the brand even
more (if that's possible). If you have to, send
one member of the band to appear on a TV show.
Be above it I say.

Oh yeah, what's a record store?

[button-lip]

I actually agree with you .... I can't move past the fact Christine didn't make a stand. Stevie's behaviour and firing of Lindsey was premeditated and cruel, yet predictable. Sadly I felt Christine lived by more values of honesty and integrity, clearly she doesn't. She could have done SOMETHING....

Yes, but sadly this poster think Christine did nothing because Lindsey did something oh so awful! he was not worth her support, when in fact it was out of loyalty with Mick.

[JohnL]

Yes, but sadly this poster think Christine did nothing because Lindsey did something oh so awful! he was not worth her support, when in fact it was out of loyalty with Mick.

Whatever the reasoning if she felt that strongly about it she should’ve said or done something. Which to me says she doesn’t feel that strongly about it. End of story. None of them need the money at this point.

[FuzzyPlum]

Whatever the reasoning if she felt that strongly about it she should’ve said or done something. Which to me says she doesn’t feel that strongly about it. End of story. None of them need the money at this point.


For all we know maybe she did do something. Chris doesn't need the money, but she needs something to do. She knows retirement means hanging out on her own and she doesn't want to go back to that. She's quite insular and isn't about to start hanging out with other bands/artists at this stage. She knows Lindsey is going to focus on his own work so sitting around and waiting for BuckVie 2 isn't an option. I'd like to think she made her feelings known to Mick and Stevie. I'd like to think she's been in touch with Lindsey and talked it through with him. I'd like to think she was in a difficult position and had no option but to remain part of Fleetwood Mac. Who knows?

[BigAl84]

I think they're all (the other 4) delusional thinking they have another 10 years to wait until things blow over and they happen to accidentally wind up in the same room together and things magically "feel good" again. I don't think they have any concept of time. I thought Tom's passing would do that, but apparently not, or it did in all the wrong ways.

[DreamIsOver]

The Ellen Show is a common stop for many of these heritage acts promoting a tour. Even Van Halen played on the show before promoting their last tour.

However, playing "2 classic songs" pretty much tells me the ship has sailed on any new music from them. If they really wanted to prove they are not just using mid-size arenas around the country as their personal ATM machines and were still creative, this would have been the platform to show it.

[TrueFaith77]

However, playing "2 classic songs" pretty much tells me the ship has sailed on any new music from them. If they really wanted to prove they are not just using mid-size arenas around the country as their personal ATM machines and were still creative, this would have been the platform to show it.

I thought this was a "new" band.

My new tagline: Imagine paying $1000 to hear "Don't Dream It's Over" instead of "Go Your Own Way"

[SteveMacD]

My new tagline: Imagine paying $1000 to hear "Don't Dream It's Over" instead of "Go Your Own Way"
Wow, I am completely blown away by your cleverness with that :rolleyes:

They’re clearly not going to play GYOW, just like they didn’t in 1987/88, 1990, and 1994/95, when Lindsey wasn’t in the band.

ETA: I’d gladly take DDIO over NGBA, Big Love, or IKINW.

[SteveMacD]

SDMHA
Don’t Stop

[David]

However, playing "2 classic songs" pretty much tells me the ship has sailed on any new music from them. If they really wanted to prove they are not just using mid-size arenas around the country as their personal ATM machines and were still creative, this would have been the platform to show it.
You articulated my grumblings.

For TV, they should do "Landslide" and "World Turning." Both songs highlight the new guitarist, who gets to play some choice licks, while the latter also highlights the vocalizing with the new singer. "World Turning" might need shortening — easy to do on that song — but it could be punchy enough for TV. It also gets the three vocalists up front and <gasp> looking and smiling at one another. It's good vibe and good press.

I know they won't do this, but it would be energetic: "Long Grey Mare" (see the way Gary Moore does it in Montreux in 1995)

"Merry Go Round"?
"Stop Messing Round"?
"My Heart Beat Like a Hammer"?
"Over My Head"?
"Gold Dust Woman"?
"Love in Store"?

[bombaysaffires]

SDMHA
Don’t Stop

Now there's a thought....SDMHA would be a great way to showcase Stevie and Mike and the specter of Tom. Would John and Mick be up for it?:shrug:

[bwboy]

They’re clearly not going to play GYOW, just like they didn’t in 1987/88, 1990, and 1994/95, when Lindsey wasn’t in the band.

Billy Burnette did sing Go Your Own Way live with FM when he was in the band, in 1987/88 and 1990.

[David]

Billy Burnette did sing Go Your Own Way live with FM when he was in the band, in 1987/88 and 1990.
Steve was just joking. He knows the band played "Go Your Own Way" and "Don't Let Me Down Again" after Lindsey left in 1987.

Fleetwood Mac has a fifty-year history of playing the music of former members out live. Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Bob Welch, Lindsey Buckingham, Christine McVie, and Stevie Nicks all had their songs played in Mac sets after they themselves split.

[SteveMacD]

Billy Burnette did sing Go Your Own Way live with FM when he was in the band, in 1987/88 and 1990.

It was sarcasm. They also played it in 1994/95. It’s been a constant in the set since late 1975. It’s not going anywhere.

[bwboy]

Got it. Sorry for the confusion, David and SteveMacD.

[sasja]

May they impress the daytime tv watchers.
I'll hear though the grapevine ( you good folkses ) how it went, I am far less bitter now that Mr. B's gonna be back in town! With new music too, wheehoo.

Edited to add though, that in no way have I forgiven the bunch their injustices, but I'll not openly wish them to fall flat.

[SteveMacD]

Now there's a thought....SDMHA would be a great way to showcase Stevie and Mike and the specter of Tom. Would John and Mick be up for it?:shrug:

Stevie said they were doing it on the tour. It’s no more complex than a typical Fleetwood Mac song.

[FM77]

They will be doing GYOW. C’mon.

[tsitopen]

It was sarcasm. They also played it in 1994/95. It’s been a constant in the set since late 1975. It’s not going anywhere.

I actually believed you. Like I’m seriously rusty. I’m like the Tin Man or some ****. Oh ok can’t swear. Right. Got it. This isn’t Usenet then?

[DownOnRodeo]

in no way have I forgiven the bunch their injustices, but I'll not openly wish them to fall flat.

A little Fall From Grace wouldn't hurt. :nod:

[SteveMacD]

I actually believed you. Like I’m seriously rusty. I’m like the Tin Man or some ****. Oh ok can’t swear. Right. Got it. This isn’t Usenet then?

No. Definitely NOT Usenet! You can only maybe say two of the Seven Things You Can’t Say On Television around here.

[vivfox]

They will be doing GYOW. C’mon.

I heard an iheart radio promo today for the upcoming show and GYOW was the song played to represent FM.

[sasja]

A little Fall From Grace wouldn't hurt. :nod:

Agreed. I wish it them non-openly :D

[Nathan]

You articulated my grumblings.

For TV, they should do "Landslide" and "World Turning." Both songs highlight the new guitarist, who gets to play some choice licks, while the latter also highlights the vocalizing with the new singer. "World Turning" might need shortening — easy to do on that song — but it could be punchy enough for TV. It also gets the three vocalists up front and <gasp> looking and smiling at one another. It's good vibe and good press.

I know they won't do this, but it would be energetic: "Long Grey Mare" (see the way Gary Moore does it in Montreux in 1995)

"Merry Go Round"?
"Stop Messing Round"?
"My Heart Beat Like a Hammer"?
"Over My Head"?
"Gold Dust Woman"?
"Love in Store"?

Good idea with World Turning.

I’m thinking Little Lies and Rhiannon though.

And whiny hater babies WILL be watching.

[KenshiMaster16]

I will tune in just to witness how changed the dynamic is. I'm very curious about the sound of this new line-up. I will say this though; since Lindsey is gone and all, and we are all balls against the wall regarding the band, go ahead and give us a deluxe remastering of Behind the Mask. No point holding back now.

[Hawkeye]

I don’t know why but my strongest guess is World Turning. It’s a great full group showcase that’s really upbeat. I say Wirld Turning and a Stevie lead vocal. Not necessarily a Stevie song, possibly a Tom petty cover like I Need to Know.

I see a few people said Dreams. I would bet quite a bit they won’t do Dreams, at least they shouldn’t. They need to make an impression with this performance (on myself included, still haven’t actually bought my ticket) and Dreams is not the song to do that with.

[jkmaletic]

Good idea with World Turning.

I’m thinking Little Lies and Rhiannon though.

And whiny hater babies WILL be watching.

Agree with you on all three counts. :)

There's people here that clearly have more fun whining than celebrating be able to see Lindsey do intimate, cheaper, Stevie-less, solo shows. :shrug:

Jamie

[sodascouts]

My DV-R is set. I'll be watching out of morbid curiosity. It will be interesting to see just how "different" (read: inferior) the band will sound without Lindsey.

[The Chain]

Say You Love Me, Dreams.

[Buster]

Agree with you on all three counts. :)

There's people here that clearly have more fun whining than celebrating be able to see Lindsey do intimate, cheaper, Stevie-less, solo shows. :shrug:

Jamie

I’m not a whiner but for the life of me I can’t understand why anyone would celebrate the sad end of the Rumours 5, the poor treatment of Lindsey, the failed opportunity to give fans a farewell tour and solidify their legacy, and instead giving us a ridiculous farce of a “new” FM. When I think of this sad cast of characters singing World Turning with Ellen dancing in the aisle, I want to puke. Just like when I think of “fans” who are rewarding this disgraceful act by buying tickets and supporting it.

[SteveMacD]

I’m not a whiner but for the life of me I can’t understand why anyone would celebrate the sad end of the Rumours 5, the poor treatment of Lindsey, the failed opportunity to give fans a farewell tour and solidify their legacy, and instead giving us a ridiculous farce of a “new” FM.

I don’t think there are many celebrating what happened, however, their legacy was solidified decades ago. The upcoming tour was never going to have an impact on their legacy.

Just like when I think of “fans” who are rewarding this disgraceful act by buying tickets and supporting it.

I’m a fan of their overall body of work, not just the Rumours lineup.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm going to guess:

Stop Draggin
Say You Love Me


Just a hunch.

[bwboy]

I’m not a whiner but for the life of me I can’t understand why anyone would celebrate the sad end of the Rumours 5, the poor treatment of Lindsey, the failed opportunity to give fans a farewell tour and solidify their legacy, and instead giving us a ridiculous farce of a “new” FM. When I think of this sad cast of characters singing World Turning with Ellen dancing in the aisle, I want to puke. Just like when I think of “fans” who are rewarding this disgraceful act by buying tickets and supporting it.

People being excited about seeing Fleetwood Mac does not mean they're celebrating the end of the Rumours 5. Although I was devastated when Lindsey left FM in 1987, I was still excited to hear how the 2 new members would fit in with the band. Same thing now, no difference.

Your comments about Lindsey made me think... in 1987 when he left the band right on the eve of their tour, I suppose people could have been as angry with him then as they are at the band now. One could say he showed no loyalty when he ran out on them, after agreeing to a tour, no less. Dates were scheduled, and after an argument, he up and left. Would you consider what he did a betrayal? I'm going to say no. But it's different when the show's on the other foot, apparently. And yes, I know why Lindsey left FM back then... he and the band addressed it years later. So maybe years later, we'll find out what went down this time.

To me, this is just a repeat of 1987, only instead of Lindsey quitting the band, he was fired. So it was ok for Lindsey to quit the band for his own happiness, but not for the band to fire him for their own happiness?

As for me, I'll just let the music of FM speak for itself. I'm not throwing away my FM CDs, nor am I going to apologize for being excited about seeing FM live. I am a fan of FM. Buster, you clearly aren't a fan anymore, by your own admission in this post. So if you want to continue to post about how much you hate FM on a FM fan board, go right ahead. But don't expect fans to quit posting about their love for FM on a FM fan board.

[bwboy]

I'm going to guess:

Stop Draggin
Say You Love Me


Just a hunch.

The description said 2 FM classic songs, so that would automatically exclude Stop Dragging. I hope SYLM isn't played, but it's definitely a possibility.

I still think Little Lies and Rhiannon. One of the songs will likely be a showcase for Mike Campbell's guitar playing.

[sue]

No I’m sticking by Dreams and Don’t Stop.

I shouldn’t be.....but I am sort of excited to see them.

My husband, not huge fan, was shocked nay gobsmacked when
I told him no no no it’s Lindsey they’ve sacked.(I had already told him umpteen times)..

He didn’t know, like many lukewarm fans....

[bombaysaffires]

People being excited about seeing Fleetwood Mac does not mean they're celebrating the end of the Rumours 5. Although I was devastated when Lindsey left FM in 1987, I was still excited to hear how the 2 new members would fit in with the band. Same thing now, no difference.

Your comments about Lindsey made me think... in 1987 when he left the band right on the eve of their tour, I suppose people could have been as angry with him then as they are at the band now. One could say he showed no loyalty when he ran out on them, after agreeing to a tour, no less. Dates were scheduled, and after an argument, he up and left. Would you consider what he did a betrayal? I'm going to say no. But it's different when the show's on the other foot, apparently. And yes, I know why Lindsey left FM back then... he and the band addressed it years later. So maybe years later, we'll find out what went down this time.

To me, this is just a repeat of 1987, only instead of Lindsey quitting the band, he was fired. So it was ok for Lindsey to quit the band for his own happiness, but not for the band to fire him for their own happiness?

As for me, I'll just let the music of FM speak for itself. I'm not throwing away my FM CDs, nor am I going to apologize for being excited about seeing FM live. I am a fan of FM. Buster, you clearly aren't a fan anymore, by your own admission in this post. So if you want to continue to post about how much you hate FM on a FM fan board, go right ahead. But don't expect fans to quit posting about their love for FM on a FM fan board.


the band didn't fire him for "their" own happiness. They fired him for STEVIE's happiness. Chris wasn't even consulted until the deed was done. John took convincing by both Mick and Stevie per Mick's own interviews. STEVIE was unhappy, she gave Mick an ultimatum. Together those TWO people set a course, and then went about convincing others it had to be done. John wasn't unhappy. Chris wasn't unhappy. I don't even believe MICK was unhappy-- not until Stevie made HER unhappiness known and threatened to walk away. The thought of his paycheck going away is what made Mick unhappy.

[button-lip]

Agree with you on all three counts. :)

There's people here that clearly have more fun whining than celebrating be able to see Lindsey do intimate, cheaper, Stevie-less, solo shows. :shrug:

Jamie

I can whine and see Lindsey all at the same time. How many Lindsey's shows will you attend?

No Lindsey songs, so I won't be watching. I'm usually working during daylight. I didn't even waste my time watching that interview with Anthony Mason. What was the point if Lindsey wasn't there?

[button-lip]

the band didn't fire him for "their" own happiness. They fired him for STEVIE's happiness. Chris wasn't even consulted until the deed was done. John took convincing by both Mick and Stevie per Mick's own interviews. STEVIE was unhappy, she gave Mick an ultimatum. Together those TWO people set a course, and then went about convincing others it had to be done. John wasn't unhappy. Chris wasn't unhappy. I don't even believe MICK was unhappy-- not until Stevie made HER unhappiness known and threatened to walk away. The thought of his paycheck going away is what made Mick unhappy.

How can anyone believe (or choose to believe) Lindsey was fired because the rest of the band, ALL OF THEM, were unhappy with him, when two days before that they were dancing, laughing and receiving awards.... :shrug:

[pattyfan]

Dreams
Don’t stop.

I think this is a good guess. They won't want to play anything that's too long. I will add Everywhere and Landslide. What a news release calls "a hit" isn't really all the specific, IMHO.

Kevin

[vivfox]

Rhiannon and You Make Loving Fun

[jbrownsjr]

The description said 2 FM classic songs, so that would automatically exclude Stop Dragging. I hope SYLM isn't played, but it's definitely a possibility.

I still think Little Lies and Rhiannon. One of the songs will likely be a showcase for Mike Campbell's guitar playing.

OMG really??? Stop Dragging isn't classic FM??

What would I do without you? :lol:

I'm was throwing a long guess to see if they did something like that an called it classic FMac. I could honestly see them pondering that and the network screwing up the log line. (A log line is the description of the show in a sentence or two.)

[HomerMcvie]

OMG really??? Stop Dragging isn't classic FM??

What would I do without you? :lol:

I'm was throwing a long guess to see if they did something like that an called it classic FMac. I could honestly see them pondering that and the network screwing up the log line. (A log line is the description of the show in a sentence or two.)
There's a FM tribute band I've seen a few times, and they do Stop Draggin....
So if one tribute band can play it, another should be able to, too. :wavey:

[elle]

OMG really??? Stop Dragging isn't classic FM??

What would I do without you? :lol:

I'm was throwing a long guess to see if they did something like that an called it classic FMac. I could honestly see them pondering that and the network screwing up the log line. (A log line is the description of the show in a sentence or two.)

Stop Draggin' and Don't Dream it's Over

#ClassicMac

[SteveMacD]

OMG really??? Stop Dragging isn't classic FM??

What would I do without you? :lol:

I'm was throwing a long guess to see if they did something like that an called it classic FMac. I could honestly see them pondering that and the network screwing up the log line. (A log line is the description of the show in a sentence or two.)

I agree, but two members of the current FM were on the original recording. I could easily see them doing it.

[aleuzzi]

Stop Draggin' and Don't Dream it's Over

#ClassicMac

Best post in this thread so far.

[DownOnRodeo]

Landslide seems like a stretch, as far as spruiking a Buckfree lineup goes.

[bwboy]

OMG really??? Stop Dragging isn't classic FM??


I just thought maybe you hadn't seen the description that said they were performing "2 Fleetwood Mac classics."

[BLY]

Dreams and Say You Love Me

[jbrownsjr]

I agree, but two members of the current FM were on the original recording. I could easily see them doing it.

Mike would and could sing on that.

[jbrownsjr]

I just thought maybe you hadn't seen the description that said they were performing "2 Fleetwood Mac classics."

I did, which is why I could see them doing something like this. The media doesn't pay attention to much details when they write press releases or log lines. Basic fans won't even know that's not FMac.

[BlanketMan]

People being excited about seeing Fleetwood Mac does not mean they're celebrating the end of the Rumours 5. Although I was devastated when Lindsey left FM in 1987, I was still excited to hear how the 2 new members would fit in with the band. Same thing now, no difference.


I see a big difference, to me personally: In 1987, I had no clue who Billy Burnette and Rick Vito were, so not only was I mega-p*ssed that Lindsey wouldn't be touring with them - as this was going to be their first tour where I was actually old enough to buy tickets/attend - but they'd replaced him with two nobodies. I feel differently today: I'm still ticked off that Lindsey won't be there, but I'm a big fan of the two men they've chosen to replace him, so I'm much more interested in hearing "the new Mac" then I was in '87.

Like many fans, I pretty much ignored the band's output post-Tango until LB returned. But with Finn and Campbell on the roster, I'm intrigued. I'd rather it be the Rumours 5, but they've made my decision to stick with the band or dump them (again) much more difficult this time! So I'm curious to hear them next week.

[g. fish]

I'm sure they will sound fine with Neil's vocals and Mike's guitar.

With that said, neither of these two have the energy and charisma of Lindsey Buckingham. Make no mistake, Lindsey has been carrying the band on his back in live performances since 1997. Neil seems like an intelligent and creative kind of guy. But from what I've seen, he's pretty laid back. Great for small and intimate venues, but not for large arenas. Mike just wants to play his guitar. He's never been the "leader".

So that leaves Christine and Stevie to fill the void. I think the world of Christine. But she is so frail. Remember, she's five years older than Lindsey and Stevie. At this point, she's just happy to be on stage. She doesn't have the energy or personality to lead the band. No doubt, Stevie now views herself as the leader of the band. Regrettably, she no longer has any range on her voice. And she's become so self centered and self obsessed, I can't bear to watch her. Her Music Cares speech was a real embarrassment. And judging from the body language of her band mates, they seem to agree.

For me, Fleetwood Mac is dead. I do look forward to Lindsey's upcoming tour.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm sure they will sound fine with Neil's vocals and Mike's guitar.

With that said, neither of these two have the energy and charisma of Lindsey Buckingham. Make no mistake, Lindsey has been carrying the band on his back in live performances since 1997. Neil seems like an intelligent and creative kind of guy. But from what I've seen, he's pretty laid back. Great for small and intimate venues, but not for large arenas. Mike just wants to play his guitar. He's never been the "leader".

So that leaves Christine and Stevie to fill the void. I think the world of Christine. But she is so frail. Remember, she's five years older than Lindsey and Stevie. At this point, she's just happy to be on stage. She doesn't have the energy or personality to lead the band. No doubt, Stevie now views herself as the leader of the band. Regrettably, she no longer has any range on her voice. And she's become so self centered and self obsessed, I can't bear to watch her. Her Music Cares speech was a real embarrassment. And judging from the body language of her band mates, they seem to agree.

For me, Fleetwood Mac is dead. I do look forward to Lindsey's upcoming tour.

I agree. They will sound fine and sell tickets. Rick and Billy sold tickets errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the FMAC name sold tickets.

Like I said in an earlier post, they could play Stop Draggin on Ellen and most fans would not know the difference.

Christine stole the show during BTM tour. I thought $tevie looked like a zombie during the BTM tour. I give Rick and Billy a lot of credit. They rocked the house both tours.

If this is going to work, they better jam, otherwise... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[BlanketMan]

I'm sure they will sound fine with Neil's vocals and Mike's guitar.

With that said, neither of these two have the energy and charisma of Lindsey Buckingham. Make no mistake, Lindsey has been carrying the band on his back in live performances since 1997. Neil seems like an intelligent and creative kind of guy. But from what I've seen, he's pretty laid back. Great for small and intimate venues, but not for large arenas. Mike just wants to play his guitar. He's never been the "leader".



Even as a big Neil Finn fan, I'd say this is a fair assessment. LB has been such a force on stage since I first got to see him live in the early 90s (both solo and with FM) - I don't know who is going to fill that energy void. Then again, I just saw Jeff Lynne's ELO last week and there wasn't exactly an abundance of energy from Lynne on stage, but the music was great. Like ELO, the Mac catalogue is strong enough to make a concert worthwhile even if we're just watching musicians singing/playing, without much/any hoopla. That's the hope, anyway.

[DownOnRodeo]

I love this spoof tweet posted by the fan @seeds_we_sow:

Ellen to replace Stevie Nicks in Fleetwood Mac
A spokesman for Mick Fleetwood said, "In truthful language Stevie hit an impasse that had the muscle memory of not being hugely fun and her sensibilities came into play. We were just not happy in terms of the dynamics of a looking forwards moving backwards band." In a statement, Mick said, "Kudos to Stevie and her contributions within the ranks. Although this is just another lineup change and business as usual, we are delighted to welcome someone of the caliber of Ellen and we will be moving forward in true Fleetwood Mac style."


:laugh:

https://twitter.com/seeds_we_sow/status/1034292054568984576

[bombaysaffires]

Landslide seems like a stretch, as far as spruiking a Buckfree lineup goes.

not really. she does it in her solo shows all the time

[Hawkeye]

Dreams and Say You Love Me.


Your the third person in this thread to guess that pair so this post isn’t necessarily directed at you but it could be?

I would bet anyone this board that it’s not that combination of Songs. It can’t be if they’re trying to make any sort of impression on people. They could invent a time machine and bring back themselves from 1977 including Lindsey and say “just kidding, it’s the 5 of us on this tour” and that combination of songs still wouldn’t impress anyone. Those 2 songs are great But have never made me go WOW in any way after seeing one of them performed live. Redoing the SYLM arrangement was cool on The Dance but still wasn’t a WOW moment and neither would showcase Mike Campbell being a worthy replacement (please no need to chime in and say “we know he’s not already” ) those opinions are well known, I’m talking about for the masses who might be on the fence.

I’m not criticizing all of your picks, just saying if your right the band would be morons and I feel like they know they have to make a great impression to have any chance of not failing on this tour. At least Mick should be aware.

And I mean it when I say I’d bet that. Anyone who wants to take this bet (monetary or otherwise) PM me :laugh:

[jbrownsjr]

.


Your the third person in this thread to guess that pair so this post isn’t necessarily directed at you but it could be?

I would bet anyone this board that it’s not that combination of Songs. It can’t be if they’re trying to make any sort of impression on people. They could invent a time machine and bring back themselves from 1977 including Lindsey and say “just kidding, it’s the 5 of us on this tour” and that combination of songs still wouldn’t impress anyone. Those 2 songs are great But have never made me go WOW in any way after seeing one of them performed live. Redoing the SYLM arrangement was cool on The Dance but still wasn’t a WOW moment and neither would showcase Mike Campbell being a worthy replacement (please no need to chime in and say “we know he’s not already” ) those opinions are well known, I’m talking about for the masses who might be on the fence.

I’m not criticizing all of your picks, just saying if your right the band would be morons and I feel like they know they have to make a great impression to have any chance of not failing on this tour. At least Mick should be aware.

And I mean it when I say I’d bet that. Anyone who wants to take this bet (monetary or otherwise) PM me :laugh:

I'm doing the longshot of Stop Draggin and SYLM.

But, they are going to feature $tevie and Christine with mega hits. It's to promote the tour. And while not a WOW moment. (more like a gag moment for us). People are going to watch and go.. Oh yeah, I love those songs. I want to go see them.

[bwboy]

. I would bet anyone this board that it’s not that combination of Songs.

What 2 songs do you think they will perform?

[Hawkeye]

I guessed earlier in this thread Rhiannon and World Turnin

[bombaysaffires]

My original vote was Don't Stop and Landslide. I still think this is possible.

I have been convinced it could be Stop Draggin in place of Landslide. Mike was part of it, it's a nod to Tom (and Mike can sound a lot like Tom singing) and it's more upbeat that Landslide. However, do not underestimate the power of Landslide-- it's beloved, people play it at their weddings and at funerals and all that. It's an emotional touchstone for people. So like someone above said, it can very much remind people why they love FM and help sell tix.

World Turning has some chance since it ws mentioned by Neil Finn that they'd done it in a rehearsal and seemed to go well.

However, my money is still on Don't Stop because daytime tv, and especially Ellen, isn't about wowing hipsters with your new stuff; it's about luring in the fans of the classics.

[bwboy]

I guessed earlier in this thread Rhiannon and World Turnin

I agree they will perform Rhiannon- besides being a theatrical song, it will also give the audience a chance to see Mike Campbell let loose. I used to think Little Lies would be the other song, as it could showcase their harmonies, but now I think they'll do Don't Stop, which also has some harmonies, plus it'll showcase Neil's singing (with plenty of support from Christine and Stevie).

[bombaysaffires]

I agree they will perform Rhiannon- besides being a theatrical song, it will also give the audience a chance to see Mike Campbell let loose. I used to think Little Lies would be the other song, as it could showcase their harmonies, but now I think they'll do Don't Stop, which also has some harmonies, plus it'll showcase Neil's singing (with plenty of support from Christine and Stevie).

they will NOT do the full extended version of this song on ellen-- that's not how tv goes. You get shorter blocks of time and do shortened versions of songs. He would be able to show how well he can do the riff, and *maybe* an incredibly brief "solo".

[jwd]

There's a FM tribute band I've seen a few times, and they do Stop Draggin....
So if one tribute band can play it, another should be able to, too. :wavey:

Oh my. :laugh:

I think SYLM would work well with the "New Mac". And possibly "Seven Wonders" to promote Stevie's upcoming appearance on AHS. So yeah, those are my picks.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh my. :laugh:

I think SYLM would work well with the "New Mac". And possibly "Seven Wonders" to promote Stevie's upcoming appearance on AHS. So yeah, those are my picks.

I can't believe it took that long to get some love for this post....:laugh:

Although I remember that three people posted at the exact same moment, so I feared it's humor might get buried.

#resurrected

Although if you ever get the chance to see the OTHER FM tribute band, I highly recommend them. My last FM ticket was $350. My last Rumours ATL ticket was $10!!! Especially for you Chiffonheads. Their $tevie IS the show. $he's awesome!

https://www.facebook.com/rumoursatl/

[jwd]

I can't believe it took that long to get some love for this post....:laugh:

Although I remember that three people posted at the exact same moment, so I feared it's humor might get buried.

#resurrected

Although if you ever get the chance to see the OTHER FM tribute band, I highly recommend them. My last FM ticket was $350. My last Rumours ATL ticket was $10!!! Especially for you Chiffonheads. Their $tevie IS the show. $he's awesome!

https://www.facebook.com/rumoursatl/

#resurrect

There's a band called "Rumours of FM" playing Cincinnati tomorrow night. I heard they're pretty good. Tickets are $20- $25. Is this the same band you are talking about?

[HomerMcvie]

#resurrect

There's a band called "Rumours of FM" playing Cincinnati tomorrow night. I heard they're pretty good. Tickets are $20- $25. Is this the same band you are talking about?

No. The one I'm talking about is called Rumours ATL. Click on that Facebook link.

[jwd]

OK, this one


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This is the one I was referring to


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Hey, we could go to one of these, see Lindsey, have dinner and drinks and still pay less than paying for the "Real FM"! :]:]

[HomerMcvie]

Hey, we could go to one of these, see Lindsey, have dinner and drinks and still pay less than paying for the "Real FM"! :]:]

Amen to that. We could have dinner, drinks, see the show, and probably pay for our hotel too, for what we would pay to see that new tribute band.:lol:

[jwd]

Amen to that. We could have dinner, drinks, see the show, and probably pay for our hotel too, for what we would pay to see that new tribute band.:lol:

I think both those bands sound good. At least those Stevies can hit the high notes. Who needs expensive "new tribute bands"?!

[HomerMcvie]

I think both those bands sound good. At least those Stevies can hit the high notes. Who needs expensive "new tribute bands"?!

Exactly! They wouldn't hire those Stevies if they had a 3 note singing range!

[jwd]

Exactly! They wouldn't hire those Stevies if they had a 3 note singing range!

Well she could here, and it is an amazing vocal and video by my favorite band of all time. :xoxo: Ahhhhhhhhhh, so good!

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One of my song nominations for Ellen.

[jbrownsjr]

Well she could here, and it is an amazing vocal and video by my favorite band of all time. :xoxo: Ahhhhhhhhhh, so good!

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One of my song nominations for Ellen.

This video is amazing.

[DownOnRodeo]

At the 1:17-1:21 mark, Lindsey seems to be screwing up his face at Stevie's high notes. :laugh:

[sasja]

This one!!

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[Japhry]

not that they WILL but this new band SHOULD perform the Crowded House deep cut/minor hit "Weather With You" instead of "Don't Dream it's over". WWY is perfect for Christine to harmonize with Neil. Even Stevie could have some decent harmony vocals here....and it's one of his best songs.

[Angel75]

not that they WILL but this new band SHOULD perform the Crowded House deep cut/minor hit "Weather With You" instead of "Don't Dream it's over". WWY is perfect for Christine to harmonize with Neil. Even Stevie could have some decent harmony vocals here....and it's one of his best songs.

Agreed, WWY is a better, more uplifting option if they are going to play a CH hit. Just because Don't Dream it's Over is the most widely known hit certainly doesn't mean it's their best and most appropriate song...I actually find it a bit depressing

But they won't play a CH song on Ellen, I think Stevie will push for Seven Wonders to plug her AHS role....and then maybe Little Lies, SYLM or Everywhere from Chris.

[MikeInNV]

Don't Stop (to highlight Chris/Neil)
Landslide (to highlight Stevie/Mike)

[Sugar Mouse]

not that they WILL but this new band SHOULD perform the Crowded House deep cut/minor hit "Weather With You" instead of "Don't Dream it's over". WWY is perfect for Christine to harmonize with Neil. Even Stevie could have some decent harmony vocals here....and it's one of his best songs.

I also love the song Weather With You but wanted to mention that it was written by Tim Finn & Neil Finn and wasn't a Neil song. Tim was actually the main songwriter on that song and Neil helped him finish it.

[DownOnRodeo]

'Weather With You' is so pervasive on Australian radio etc. it's odd to hear it described as a 'deep cut' but.. Wait, what am I doing discussing this on a board about Rumours era Fleetwood Mac when Lindsey Buckingham is still alive and healthy and wanted to tour with the band this year and made new music for the band last year and then despite this he got kicked out this year to be replaced by the first compliant substitute they could find?.

[Murrow]

not that they WILL but this new band SHOULD perform the Crowded House deep cut/minor hit "Weather With You" instead of "Don't Dream it's over". WWY is perfect for Christine to harmonize with Neil. Even Stevie could have some decent harmony vocals here....and it's one of his best songs.

It may interest you to know that here in the UK, Weather With You was their highest charting single and the only one to reach the top ten. Don't Dream It's Over peaked at 27 on original release and 23 on reissue ten years later though it gained additional exposure when covered by Paul Young.

I'm all for including some of Neil's CH songs but to me, WWY is out.

[Feather Blade]

For some reason I was initially skeptical of people suggesting SYLM being a possibility, but the more I thought about it, the more I think you guys might have something. That would be a great opportunity to showcase those three voices harmonizing. I'm excited to see what happens. It is past time we start getting a little taste of what they can do together.

[StevieandChris]

I hope it’s not YMLF. Christine sounded awful on this song in the BuckVie tour...it made me so sad.

[BLY]

Neil is now in Fleetwood Mac. I don’t see him pulling Crowded House material out. As much as I love CH.........this is FLEETWOOD MAC.

[bwboy]

Almost here... I'm excited to see this!

[Storms123]

Don't Stop (to highlight Chris/Neil)
Landslide (to highlight Stevie/Mike)

I kind of agree with this. Although we know Mike can play the guitar and he's played with her before.

[SteveMacD]

Neil is now in Fleetwood Mac. I don’t see him pulling Crowded House material out. As much as I love CH.........this is FLEETWOOD MAC.

During the early days of Fleetwood Mac, they played The Supernatural.

When Christine joined, they played Get Like You Used To Be, I’d Rather Go Blind, and Crazy ‘Bout You Baby.

When Stevie and Lindsey joined, they did Don’t Let Me Down Again and Frozen Love.

When Billy Burnette was in the band, they play Tear It Up and The Bigger The Love.

When Dave Mason was in the band, they played We Just Disagee, Only You Know And I Know, Feelin’ Alright, and Dear Mr. Fantasy.

They’ve also had Stand Back, Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You, and Go Insane in the set.

Based on their past behavior, what leads you to believe they won’t do CH songs?

[Storms123]

During the early days of Fleetwood Mac, they played The Supernatural.

When Christine joined, they played Get Like You Used To Be, I’d Rather Go Blind, and Crazy ‘Bout You Baby.

When Stevie and Lindsey joined, they did Don’t Let Me Down Again and Frozen Love.

When Billy Burnette was in the band, they play Tear It Up and The Bigger The Love.

When Dave Mason was in the band, they played We Just Disagee, Only You Know And I Know, Feelin’ Alright, and Dear Mr. Fantasy.

They’ve also had Stand Back, Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You, and Go Insane in the set.

Based on their past behavior, what leads you to believe they won’t do CH songs?

I agree with you--they are going to pull CH and TPH songs in....it's an allure for more fan bases. At least the TPH stuff has SN as the common thread. Will be interesting for sure.

[secondhandchain]

Let's see what lies they come up with this time.

[secret love]

Of course Fleetwood Mac would go on Ellen. Light hearted fluff of a show. It amazes me that Ellen had the courage to come out publicly at a time that was not as accepting as today, yet she does not have the balls to ask the hard questions.

[bwboy]

Of course Fleetwood Mac would go on Ellen. Light hearted fluff of a show. It amazes me that Ellen had the courage to come out publicly at a time that was not as accepting as today, yet she does not have the balls to ask the hard questions.

Maybe when Lindsey does publicity for his tour, he will appear on tv and someone will ask him the hard questions, and then we'll all get answers.

[JohnL]

Of course Fleetwood Mac would go on Ellen. Light hearted fluff of a show. It amazes me that Ellen had the courage to come out publicly at a time that was not as accepting as today, yet she does not have the balls to ask the hard questions.

Have you ever watch the Ellen show? It is all about lighthearted fun very un-serious stuff usually. She’s not in the investigative reporter or even a journalist. It is a talk show that has always kept it light. Why does it have to turn into something about Lindsey Buckingham? It doesn’t.

[SteveMacD]

I doubt Ellen of all people will bring up Lindsey.

[sue]

I don’t really know this show...but no ones feathers will be ruffled.

The band will perform two well known FM songs I think I previously said
Don’t stop and Dreams, but no controversy will arise that’s for sure.

No hard hitting questions will be asked.

[BlanketMan]

Ellen isn't on until 4 pm EST in my area. Is she on earlier anywhere else? Curious to hear some "early reactions."

[kak125]

Here ya go:

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[BlanketMan]

So who had "The Chain" and "Gypsy" in the board pool??? :)

I can't listen here at work yet. Looking forward to y'all's comments!

[kak125]

Well The Chain was ok I think Stevie & Christine were too low in the mix. I thought Gypsy was better but Stevie needs to bring the energy or it's never going to work. I will be going to see them in Pittsburgh so I hope by Nov 1st they get it together.

[lisajplus2]

Mike Campbell's guitar work sounds amazing but Neil Finn does not cut it in place of Lindsey. I am sad to say that the band looks tired and the energy is not the same. Stevie's vocals were weak. This breaks my heart!

[jjfabbsy]

Sounded really tight - Neil's vocals aren't as high as Lindsey's so they kind of get absorbed into Stevie's....still sounded okay though.

Campbell's playing was exactly what it needed to be, inspired even.....Mick/John sounded as good as ever. Christine's vocals were mixed a tad low....

I'm not going to pass judgement too much on this lineup until I see a full set...

Really with that much talent on stage, it can't go too wrong.

Would love to see them shake up the arrangements a bit - still in Dance 1997 mode.

[DownOnRodeo]

Glad the concert I'll be going to is a Lindsey Buckingham one.

:wavey:

[jeets2000]

Couldn't hear a note sung by Stevie or Christine during "The Chain" besides Stevie's outburst at 1:55. So "Neil Finn's Fleetwood Mac" is off to a good start, I guess.

They also cut the beautiful guitar solo at the end of "Gypsy," which has always been my favorite part.

[DownOnRodeo]

So "Neil Finn's Fleetwood Mac" is off to a good start, I guess.

Or "Mr. Neilson" according to the EllenTube subtitles. :laugh:

They also cut the beautiful guitar solo at the end of "Gypsy," which has always been my favorite part.

Well, they also cut Lindsey. Can the likes of Neil or Mike even play that kind of bluegrassy guitar part?

John really came to the fore on The Chain (whether he liked it or not), but it was depressing and awkward when Stevie aimed all the 'never break the chain' theatrics at Mr. Neilson.

[Storms123]

Couldn't hear a note sung by Stevie or Christine during "The Chain" besides Stevie's outburst at 1:55. So "Neil Finn's Fleetwood Mac" is off to a good start, I guess.

They also cut the beautiful guitar solo at the end of "Gypsy," which has always been my favorite part.

Love the solo but I feel that is signature Lindsey. They needed to cut it. Very interesting they moved Neil out of Lindsey’s space too

[BlanketMan]

Love the solo but I feel that is signature Lindsey. They needed to cut it. Very interesting they moved Neil out of Lindsey’s space too

Yeah, I didn't hear Lindsey's "Lightning strikes, maybe once, maybe twice," but maybe this was a condensed version to fit into the TV time, and Neil will sing it on their tour.

[HomerMcvie]

Why TF is Mike playing keyboards on Gypsy? They definitely need more keyboard players on stage...

I HATE $tevie'$ singing on the bridge of Gypsy.

I'd guess they dropped the guitar solo at the end, because Lindsey OWNS that f*cking solo. Anyone else playing it is a charlatan and a thief(yes, I realize it was probably dropped for TV time).

[HomerMcvie]

Love the solo but I feel that is signature Lindsey. They needed to cut it. Very interesting they moved Neil out of Lindsey’s space too

Well, needing to add TWO :D people to take Lindsey's place, I understand why they'd make it more "boy, girl, boy, girl".

[sue]

It pains me to say it but their three voices were okay, more than okay.

I don’t like Stevie’s voice on Gypsy, it’s too harsh, she should try singing quieter and more mellow.

I couldn’t hear Johns solo on The Chain, technical hitch I presume.

Stevie and Christine looked fabulous..
But it ain’t the same, no point looking across to Neil when singing The Chain with knowing looks, it don’t work.
It’s just not the same.

[ami0425]

#notmyfleetwoodmac

[SteveMacD]

Yeah, I didn't hear Lindsey's "Lightning strikes, maybe once, maybe twice," but maybe this was a condensed version to fit into the TV time, and Neil will sing it on their tour.

That’s my hunch.

[jbrownsjr]

It sounds like a cover band.

Christine McVie is aging in reverse and I love her wardrobe change!! She's actually playing electric keys on The Chain. I could hear her little glissando, from time to time. Not sure why she always needs a supplemental organist. It's not like she's Tony Banks covering Genesis.

$tevie it seems has even less notes on Gypsy. I wonder how weak Silver Springs will be if they do it. She looked a bit sleepy or something. $tevie, please for the love of God wear something else.

Mike, I loved where he was going with the solo on CHAIN. But, it almost didn't fit and seemed a bit off in places timing wise. I'm glad he didn't try to be LB.

Mick was great! Love his outfit. And I too, couldn't hear John.

Neil looks bored. Or scared he has to look at $tevie for a year. :p

[KenshiMaster16]

Alright so I watched with an open mind and open ears. Gypsy was okay, Stevie was doing Stevie like she always does. The Chain, however, was rough. And that is putting it nicely. I realize the mixing was off but the chemistry felt off. I hate using this because it insults the other members but it truly did sound like a tribute act. The only thing I will praise is Campbell's guitar work but even that was not the energy level Buckingham brought.

If this is any indication what the tour will be like, I am glad I am skipping it.

[sands of time]

What a complete and utter embarrassment.

[Feather Blade]

Not bad considering they probably had a lot of nerves it being the first try at a public performance. I think they will work the kinks out as time goes on.
Christine was smiling so much! Loved that little taste of Mike's guitar, I think he is going to do so well once he has some time to open up.

[SteveMacD]

What a complete and utter embarrassment.

Any worse than the time Lindsey started playing the intro to GYOW instead of Peacekeeper on the Today show?

[Feather Blade]

One thing, I know Christine seems to think she needs another person on keys to back her up these days, but with Mike playing that little piece in Gypsy, it was getting a little crowded up there with three of them going at once.

[dontlookdown]

I thought they sounded pretty bland.
I expected Mike to stretch out more on solos.
No guitar solo on Gypsy?
Isn’t that weird?


Hoping they ramp up and get a little more comfortable before they come to LA.
It felt very snoozy.

I missed Lindsey. Even off-pitch Lindsey.

[SteveMacD]

One thing, I know Christine seems to think she needs another person on keys to back her up these days,

That’s been the case since 1984.

[Feather Blade]

I thought they sounded pretty bland.
I expected Mike to stretch out more on solos.
No guitar solo on Gypsy?
Isn’t that weird?


Hoping they ramp up and get a little more comfortable before they come to LA.
It felt very snoozy.

I missed Lindsey. Even off-pitch Lindsey.

I expect that might have to do with television show time constraints on how long the performances could be. We'll see what happens at the iheartradio gig coming up and at the tour shows.

[jbrownsjr]

That’s been the case since 1984.

To be fair, it's become worse. She actually had a little expansion during the Shaking Cage and BTM tours. Some solos and I could actually hear her. She covered the Dance very nicely on SSprings and Rhiannon intro. People are paying to hear you because you've come back.

Why do you need 2 keyboardists on ISA? It's an organ part. It's chords!!! (I'm referring to Brett on OWTS tour and BuckVie.)

I'm not sure if she was actually playing during BuckVie when the full band was on.

This Ellen show: It seems very lazy to me to have 2 other keyboard players including the lead guitarist doing your part. I couldn't hear what she was doing on Gypsy. I will give her elec. keys credit on Chain.

[wilsonmac]

Honestly, this was worse than I expected. These are terrific top class recording musicians (Finn and Campbell) who sounded like they were in a cover band. Lindsey's talent as a producer is never questioned, but his stage presence and performance abilities, and what he brought to this band on stage are sometimes overlooked. Not anymore.

[Nathan]

I thought they sounded pretty bland.
I expected Mike to stretch out more on solos.
No guitar solo on Gypsy?
Isn’t that weird?


Hoping they ramp up and get a little more comfortable before they come to LA.
It felt very snoozy.

I missed Lindsey. Even off-pitch Lindsey.

VERY snoozy.

I liked the new solo on The Chain but that was about it. It really had the feel of being the Stevie Nicks show. This voices sounded good together... Didn’t care for Mick or Stevie’s outfits.

Not good, in my opinion.

[Buster]

SHAME on them for singing The Chain after breaking it. They should’ve done a Christine song. I don’t know or care if they sound good because I won’t watch.

[jkmaletic]

My wife and I thought they sounded great! (minus John's technical problem). I like Mike Campbell's twist on some of the guitar work. Niel Finn's vocals seem to be just a "fill-in" of sorts, but maybe he'll stretch it out a bit more once they get touring.
I do think they are charging way too much for tickets this time around, even if they still had Lindsey. I plan to go to my local San Diego show, but I'm waiting for ticket drops this time.

Jamie

[Sugar Mouse]

Here are my grades of The Finnwood Mac performance on The Ellen Show



“The Chain”

Neil A (Neil’s nailed the vocal, looked confident)

Mike A (Mike nailed the guitar solo)

Stevie C (seemed off-key to me and made an odd vocal gesture mid-way through the song)

Mick A (Mick nailed the drums and seemed energized)

John B (played the bassline well but hard to see behind Neil)

Christine B (solid performance)



“Gypsy”

Neil B (not much for Neil to do in this Stevie song)

Stevie D (her vocal was really sub-par and that’s being kind)

Mick A (again looked energized)

John B (off camera most of the time, but solid)

Christine B (off camera most of the time but solid; interesting that the focus was never on Christine making me think that she may depart the band after this tour)

[jbrownsjr]

SHAME on them for singing The Chain after breaking it. They should’ve done a Christine song. I don’t know or care if they sound good because I won’t watch.

Quite surprised the biggest hit maker didn't get a song. Isn't that weird? And she looks fantastic. 75? She looks 50.

[Miss Vicky]

I wasn't going to watch it, but I did end up having a look on Youtube.

It was... lackluster. Bland. Boring. But I'm not surprised. Stevie has lost so much range, plus she looked like she was going to fall asleep up there. As a lifelong Tom Petty fan, I have a lot of respect for Mike Campbell. I still do, but he lacks Lindsey's stage presence. I think arrogance in a performer can be actually be a very good thing and Mike just doesn't have it. I had no opinion of Neil Finn going into this - and I still don't.

Maybe they'll get better as time goes on and they do more live performances, but I don't think I'll be watching to find out.

[jbrownsjr]

I wasn't going to watch it, but I did end up having a look on Youtube.

It was... lackluster. Bland. Boring. But I'm not surprised. Stevie has lost so much range, plus she looked like she was going to fall asleep up there. As a lifelong Tom Petty fan, I have a lot of respect for Mike Campbell. I still do, but he lacks Lindsey's stage presence. I think arrogance in a performer can be actually be a very good thing and Mike just doesn't have it. I had no opinion of Neil Finn going into this - and I still don't.

Maybe they'll get better as time goes on and they do more live performances, but I don't think I'll be watching to find out.

You logged on!! Yay!! Welcome back Miss Vicky.

[jbrownsjr]

Here are my grades of The Finnwood Mac performance on The Ellen Show



“The Chain”

Neil A (Neil’s nailed the vocal, looked confident)

Mike A (Mike nailed the guitar solo)

Stevie C (seemed off-key to me and made an odd vocal gesture mid-way through the song)

Mick A (Mick nailed the drums and seemed energized)

John B (played the bassline well but hard to see behind Neil)

Christine B (solid performance)



“Gypsy”

Neil B (not much for Neil to do in this Stevie song)

Stevie D (her vocal was really sub-par and that’s being kind)

Mick A (again looked energized)

John B (off camera most of the time, but solid)

Christine B (off camera most of the time but solid; interesting that the focus was never on Christine making me think that she may depart the band after this tour)

I thought Gypsy was awful pitchy, too. And Mick was really energized. Kudos to him.

[Miss Vicky]

You logged on!! Yay!! Welcome back Miss Vicky.

Thank you! :)

Hopefully it'll be good to be back.

[jbrownsjr]

Thank you! :)

Hopefully it'll be good to be back.

You have me, your BuckVie buddy. What could possibly go wrong?? :lol:

[BLY]

Well after watching this performance I wish they just called in quits when Lindsey departed.Mick still has the energy and sounds great. Musically sounded real good but the vocals are weak. Neil sounded good but was obviously turned up over Christine and Stevie. I don’t know how Stevie and Christine’s voices will hold up for this tour. It saddens me to see this. I’m glad I saw Buck/Mcvie last summer and I’m sure Lindsey won’t disappoint this November.

[ryan4136]

So, So, Many Things To Say:

I'm just scratching the surface but here you go.

1. I'm not sure Chris is playing any parts anymore.

2. Campbell is really good if that's all they are doing with him that's such a waste.

3. Hope Mick is enjoying playing in the Stevie rythm section. This is clearly the Stevie show now. Nickswood Mac is more suitable now.

4. Mike was playing keyboards over Chris in Gypsy?

5. Stevie seems very happy.

6. The band are professionals, and they were very tight, and rehersed.

7. They cut the outro to Gypsy, that's the strongest part of the song.

8. Energy was crazy low, they need to raise it big time.

9. 300 of the forum tickets sold are Ellen giveaways

10. Poor John

11. Signing The Chain first out of the gate, with the sly smiles for Stevie is incredibly telling.

[Feather Blade]

I thought Gypsy was awful pitchy, too. And Mick was really energized. Kudos to him.

He was! He always seems to be in heaven performing though. Did you see all the dancing and little hand gestures Christine was doing? She seemed really happy. Looked like there was a fair amount of interacting between she and Stevie too.

[FuzzyPlum]

Overall I thought it sounded okay...but it looked as boring as hell. They'd better get more energy in The Chain- that's the signature song and if that has no life then they're done for.
The shouty, hand-wavey thing Stevie does on Gypsy is stupid.
Who is the new chap on the keys???

[Feather Blade]

So, So, Many Things To Say:

I'm just scratching the surface but here you go.

1. I'm not sure Chris is playing any parts anymore.

2. Campbell is really good if that's all they are doing with him that's such a waste.

3. Hope Mick is enjoying playing in the Stevie rythm section. This is clearly the Stevie show now. Nickswood Mac is more suitable now.

4. Mike was playing keyboards over Chris in Gypsy?

5. Stevie seems very happy.

6. The band are professionals, and they were very tight, and rehersed.

7. They cut the outro to Gypsy, that's the strongest part of the song.

8. Energy was crazy low, they need to raise it big time.

9. 300 of the forum tickets sold are Ellen giveaways

10. Poor John

11. Signing The Chain first out of the gate, with the sly smiles for Stevie is incredibly telling.

Are the studio audiences for a tv talk show really that big? I know she said they gave them all a concert ticket as an Ellen show bonus, but I wouldn't have imagined there were really 300 in that little crowd.

[ryan4136]

Are the studio audiences for a tv talk show really that big? I know she said they gave them all a concert ticket as an Ellen show bonus, but I wouldn't have imagined there were really 300 in that little crowd.

Everyone in the crowd was getting two tickets. I ballparked the audience at 100-150, assuming additional tickets were probably given to crew as well. 300 sounded right.

[Feather Blade]

Everyone in the crowd was getting two tickets. I ballparked the audience at 100-150, assuming additional tickets were probably given to crew as well. 300 sounded right.

Gotcha. I missed that they got two tickets.

[jeets2000]

Everyone in the crowd was getting two tickets. I ballparked the audience at 100-150, assuming additional tickets were probably given to crew as well. 300 sounded right.

According to this story (https://wjla.com/news/entertainment/ellen-degeneres-gives-her-audience-1-million-to-share) about when Ellen gave $1 million to her studio audience, it was split among the 400 audience members in attendance. So, we're talking potentially 800 tickets to the Forum.

[jbrownsjr]

[/B]

He was! He always seems to be in heaven performing though. Did you see all the dancing and little hand gestures Christine was doing? She seemed really happy. Looked like there was a fair amount of interacting between she and Stevie too.

I mean if you're going to make such a major change, at least perform well. He did.

[bombaysaffires]

Wow. Is Chris playing anything live anymore now? She sure wasn't playing much on the BuckVie tour, Brett was handling most of it. Now that he's not on this tour, is Mike taking over keyboards in his spare time as well???:eek: I just don't get what happened in the time between her solo album on which she played everything and her return to FM. Maybe it's just the physical force at which one has to play live versus how softly one can play in the studio?? Still, you'd think that could be manipulated electronically these days.

[DownOnRodeo]

I thought Gypsy was awful pitchy, too.

So we're back
to the daytime
Burbank lot
Back to the song
that we loved
To a band with no grace
and fading powers
Back to the pitchy
song it was.
Before Lindsey,
That it was.

And it all comes down to two
Well you know that we needed
Two new guys
Maybe Neil, maybe Mike
Oh, Ellen does the scripted patter right
And you hear you're pitchy
Hey
You hear you're pitchy
Hey

Still the pitchi-
ness remains
She faces Neil Finn
who asks "Why am I here?"
"I have no idea--
"I only asked for Mike...
"And though I got a Mike
"No the Mike wasn't enough
"Enough for Lindsey's parts
"Enough to.. lol"

Stevie's dancing her way
On Ellen now
She was just off pitch
She was just, off pitch
And the memory of Lindsey who
made this song great
You see you ditched him
Hey
You, Stevie, ditched him
Uh-oh oh.

[bombaysaffires]

Who is the keyboard player to Mick's left (on the right side of screen) between Mick and the girls?

The Chain -- Chris and Stevie totally down in the mix. It really was Neill and the backup singers through the whole thing.

Gypsy-- love Mike to death, but really, that version was just lame. Lindsey's playing is so unique and so integral to her songs that without them.....meh.

Doesn't seem like Chris is playing a damned thing anymore.

Can someone please explain why on Gypsy the do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-dah part was played on a keyboard by MIKE when they have both Chris and mystery keyboard man onstage? He had to walk over and with his index finger poke the keys on a little synthesizer. wtf. And that part should have been played on his guitar. Neil was trying to do LB's staccato picking parts and not doing it well.

This was sooooooooooooo lame. It's really, really sad. Super sad.

Definitely a tribute band now. With Stevie as the emcee.

[SteveMacD]

That keyboard part Mike played on “Gypsy” is something Lindsey played on guitar live, however, the recorded version was a keyboard.

[Storms123]

[QUOTE=bombaysaffires;1235523]Who is the keyboard player to Mick's left (on the right side of screen) between Mick and the girls?

The Chain -- Chris and Stevie totally down in the mix. It really was Neill and the backup singers through the whole thing.

Gypsy-- love Mike to death, but really, that version was just lame. Lindsey's playing is so unique and so integral to her songs that without them.....meh.

Doesn't seem like Chris is playing a damned thing anymore.

Can someone please explain why on Gypsy the do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-dah part was played on a keyboard by MIKE when they have both Chris and mystery keyboard man onstage? He had to walk over and with his index finger poke the keys on a little synthesizer. wtf. And that part should have been played on his guitar. Neil was trying to do LB's staccato picking parts and not doing it well.

This was sooooooooooooo lame. It's really, really sad. Super sad.

Definitely a tribute band now. With Stevie as the emcee.[/QUOTE

I have to be honest, I am really looking forward to the official reviews. It’s going to be so interesting

[jeets2000]

That keyboard part Mike played on “Gypsy” is something Lindsey played on guitar live, however, the recorded version was a keyboard.

Not unlike the solo in live versions of "Landslide" from 1997 to 2017. :nod:

[jbrownsjr]

Not unlike the solo in live versions of "Landslide" from 1997 to 2017. :nod:

I've seen Christine play the Landslide parts before. I believe she did on the BTM tour. And she did it on other tours as well.

Bloody play something, Christine!!