Fleetwood Mac on Ellen

[David]

Billy was vibrant. (Go ahead and hate me, but that's how I felt at the time.) No hate. I liked Billy, too. He had sort of a goofy, kid-brother personality onstage. He was accessible (artistically) and musical. It wasn't until he did his Q&A at the Penguin that I got a little disgusted. In that Q&A, Billy was dismissive and kind of snotty to us fans. By contrast, Rick was delightful and polite in his Q&A.

This whole Fleetwood HouseBreakers Cover Band is so lame. I mean it's just lame. Cash grab, all stars, cover band central. I don't care about the mixing problems, or Stevie singing off key. This whole thing is just lame. Like bib lettuce. It just lays there and does its job.
Touché, jb.

[David]

To me, Stevie has become the dead weight in this band. Her voice is barely tolerable to me anymore. It is just a drone.
It's the weirdest thing hearing her praised for her singing today. I think either my hearing isn't good or everyone else's hearing isn't good. I posted to a private board that, back in 1982, she sounded like a bellowing steer (a good thing). Today, she sounds like a braying mule (a bad thing).

I remember how disappointed I was during the final leg of the 1990 tour and the entire 1991 solo tour that Stevie had none of her signature vibrato (which always made her sound so alluring and passionate). In 1994 on her solo tour, she got her vibrato back, and how happy I was! I had been out of the Nicks fan community for many years, but that tour pulled me back in by sending me to the classifieds of Goldmine and Rolling Stone to look for tapes.

The worst days of the 1991 tour were GOLDEN compared with the way she sounds these days—on everything except Landslide because she somehow still manages to sing Landslide beautifully.

[TrueFaith77]

I'll pitch in money to help you! :wavey:

I never had an ounce of animosity towards Neil Finn, until Sugar Mick arrived. Now I just can't stand the sight or sound of Finn, because of SM shoving him down my throat every chance he/she can. Not sure, but once SM is no longer posting, maybe I will start to like NF??:shrug:

And SM never did answer my question about whether they are a member of fan sites for NF/CH/SE. ;)

I’m not joking. I am willing to hear a price.

It is lunacy to say Lindsey can’t harmonize. BN was literally all about the harmonizing. And I get goosebumps from harmonizing and chord changes on songs I hate. Those Finn harmonies were blah—no “spine-chilling” sounds there, a curious phrase (usually referring to horror films) which I also saw repeated on Facebook. Sugar Mouse is legion.

[TheWildHeart67]

I've seen posts Sugar Mouse does on various news articles on the comments section. All over the place. In one "it" claimed very few fans weren't happy with the line-up changes in regards to FM fans. And all about Neil Neil Neil.

[jwd]

I've seen posts Sugar Mouse does on various news articles on the comments section. All over the place. In one "it" claimed very few fans weren't happy with the line-up changes in regards to FM fans. And all about Neil Neil Neil.

So it's not Sugar Mick, but Sugar Neil?

[sodascouts]

The band praised Lindsey and Stevie's harmonizing with Christine from the outset as a big virtue of hiring the two.

If you're looking for a relatively recent example, he harmonized with Stevie beautifully on "Say Goodbye":

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A bit older:

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And of course "back in the day":

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[jwd]

The band praised Lindsey and Stevie's harmonizing with Christine from the outset as a big virtue of hiring the two.

If you're looking for a relatively recent example, he harmonized with Stevie beautifully on the chorus of "Say Goodbye":

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One of the most riveting performances they've ever done. You could hear a pin drop.

[TrueFaith77]

One of the most riveting performances they've ever done. You could hear a pin drop.

Literally crying

[sodascouts]

One of the most riveting performances they've ever done. You could hear a pin drop.

Such incredible intensity in the way they are singing that to each other. So much power.

Sorry Stevie, pointing and squinting your eyes at Neil during "The Chain" isn't going to have the same effect.

[jwd]

Literally crying

Seriously, that was a ****ing awesome performance! I've shed tears over that one. Even more poignant now.


WHY?!!!!!!!!!!!

[jmn3]

Such incredible intensity in the way they are singing that to each other. So much power.

Sorry Stevie, pointing and squinting your eyes at Neil during "The Chain" isn't going to have the same effect.

What if she tosses in a poorly timed wellllllll or heyyyyyyy whilst point-squinting at him??

[jwd]

Such incredible intensity in the way they are singing that to each other. So much power.

Sorry Stevie, pointing and squinting your eyes at Neil during "The Chain" isn't going to have the same effect.


That WAS REAL! No fakeness(is this a legit word?) there!! Neil and Stevie dynamic?! NAH, not seeing it.

[sodascouts]

That WAS REAL! No fakeness(is this a legit word?) there!! Neil and Stevie dynamic?! NAH, not seeing it.

Seriously! People rag on SnL for being fake on stage, but there were real moments like that one, and even when they were doing it for the fans at least the lyrics always had real meaning to them. They could always draw upon that meaning to find the passion to pour into their singing.

There is no such thing as a "Neil and Stevie dynamic" and yet there she goes... desperately trying to act as if he shares even a modicum of history with her by singing at him. Pathetic. And I can understand why Neil might have a hard time singing passionately when he's performing a song that doesn't relate to him in any way.

[jwd]

Seriously! People rag on SnL for being fake on stage, but there were real moments like that one, and even when they were doing it for the fans at least the lyrics always had real meaning to them. They could always draw upon that meaning to find the passion to pour into their singing.

There is no such thing as a "Neil and Stevie dynamic" and yet there she goes... desperately trying to act as if he shares even a modicum of history with her by singing at him. Pathetic. And I can understand why Neil might have a hard time singing passionately when he's performing a song that doesn't relate to him in any way.

I'm sure the long list of YouTube videos that are forthcoming from this
Nixwood Mac tour will be truly puke worthy showcasing a FAKE Neil and Stevie connection. BLAH!

[jwd]

Guys, I just went back to watch that awful Chain video again to contrast it (I know, masochistic)...

And they've fixed the sound! You can hear John's bass now and I think Stevie's voice a bit better (although that might be my speakers)... I guess they added overdubs or remixed, something like that, and re-uploaded? Saved over the old file?

Check it out if you're curious! The bass solo is quite audible.

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Still inferior of course, but I guess they realized they needed to do something to try to make it sound better.

Definitely hearing John's bass line loud and clear. Sounds good.

[sodascouts]

Definitely hearing John's bass line loud and clear. Sounds good.

lol! Not realizing you'd replied, I went back and deleted my post because I thought "Nobody wants to watch that video again." Still, it is interesting that the backlash was bad enough that they felt they had to go back and fix the sound.

[jwd]

lol! Not realizing you'd replied, I went back and deleted my post because I thought "Nobody wants to watch that video again." Still, it is interesting that the backlash was bad enough that they felt they had to go back and fix the sound.

:laugh: Sorry I can delete my post. But who the **** cares? When you're drinking, watching a train wreck is especially entertaining.:woohoo:

[BombaySapphire3]

:laugh: Sorry I can delete my post. But who the **** cares? When you're drinking, watching a train wreck is especially entertaining.:woohoo:

I've switched over to red wine in my old age but watching that performance makes me want to switch back to the copious amounts of Jack and cognac I once consumed in my youth.:lol:

[jwd]

I've switched over to red wine in my old age but watching that performance makes me want to switch back to the copious amounts of Jack and cognac I once consumed in my youth.:lol:

Cheers! There are positive things to say about the "New Mac"!

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[bombaysaffires]

the even better version of S&L doing that song is the MGM Grand show, which I think was the last night of the tour. She lost it and it was AMAZINGLY powerful to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuJC4XgGPx8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnh4qRCLwLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ2cvZr-tVw

[DownOnRodeo]

Wow. I can't believe "they" went back and tweaked the mixing so dramatically. And DAYS after the fact. And on a weekend. (I rewatched the clips on Saturday US time and Stevie was still completely inaudible on The Chain.)

Stranger and stranger...

[Nathan]

Seriously! People rag on SnL for being fake on stage, but there were real moments like that one, and even when they were doing it for the fans at least the lyrics always had real meaning to them. They could always draw upon that meaning to find the passion to pour into their singing.

There is no such thing as a "Neil and Stevie dynamic" and yet there she goes... desperately trying to act as if he shares even a modicum of history with her by singing at him. Pathetic. And I can understand why Neil might have a hard time singing passionately when he's performing a song that doesn't relate to him in any way.

Do you really think that she was trying to pretend something or to fool anyone? She had a big smile on her face for most of the song so it hardly seems realistic that she was attempting to act out some kind of on-stage drama, as she would have with Lindsey. To me, it looked a lot more like she was being playful in order to loosen up a new band member in their first public performance.

Although, when they cut to a wide shot of the band, it looks even slightly more like she's actually pointing at Christine.

Of course, people have their beliefs about what happened within Fleetwood Mac, and so there are those who will interpret anything that happens on stage as SN gloating or being otherwise terrible in some way.

For the record, I thought it was a pretty lame performance overall, with the exception of a couple of notes in Mike Campbell's guitar solo.

[Nathan]

Cheers! There are positive things to say about the "New Mac"!

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Weren't you just impugning someone earlier this evening for your assessment of her maturity level?

Maybe you should not post while you're drinking.

lol! Not realizing you'd replied, I went back and deleted my post because I thought "Nobody wants to watch that video again." Still, it is interesting that the backlash was bad enough that they felt they had to go back and fix the sound.

Huh. I wish we had the original to compare to because I don't see or hear anything different than I did the day of the performance.

she was cranking her music and the beat was loud and annoying in the next room-- like she said, it's like when a car pulls up next to you and all you hear is the thumping of the bass. So she put on more mellow pop kinda music but he told Karen to tell her to turn that down too.

Yes, he was ticked off about the cover story and yes in this band that would be enough to complain about how loud her music was.

Why is that so hard for people to comprehend??

Do they not know this band??

She was playing the music as she was getting ready (hair makeup etc) for the show. She listens to music to get herself pumped up. The reporter was allowed to be there observing. That's how a lot of interviews are done. The reporter follows the subject around as they do what they do. Then at other points they sit quietly and talk. These stories are not done in just one appointment. smh

In fact, Mick came into Stevie's dressing room to have her makeup person do his stage makeup. The reporter was in Stevie's dressing room and other than a cursory "hello" Mick did not otherwise acknowledge or talk to the reporter because he too was peeved that she was doing a cover story about HERSELF and not the band. So he was boycotting giving the reporter any usable quotes from him which would make it seem like he was supporting the cover story.

she/ her management could easily have said "this is a band tour and Stevie would prefer to promote the band" but of course did NOT. That kind of thing is why she felt she could get LB fired.

You don't know that. And that's far from the only thing in this post that's an unsubstantiated assertion. You do not know Fleetwood Mac or its members personally.

lol not that one! the one from May 2018 on Sirius, with the audio of the new band interview and then comments about the interviewer and another RS writer around it.

Why is that "lol"? Do you have a link? I don't remember seeing or hearing about this interview at all. I will do a search though, and share it if I find it.

apparently people get off being intentionally obtuse. read the damn article.

It also seems that people get off here on being generally outraged or irritated about one thing or another.

I will wrap up this post now, before I find myself doing the same thing.

[sodascouts]

Do you really think that she was trying to pretend something or to fool anyone? She had a big smile on her face for most of the song so it hardly seems realistic that she was attempting to act out some kind of on-stage drama, as she would have with Lindsey. To me, it looked a lot more like she was being playful in order to loosen up a new band member in their first public performance.

Although, when they cut to a wide shot of the band, it looks even slightly more like she's actually pointing at Christine.

Of course, people have their beliefs about what happened within Fleetwood Mac, and so there are those who will interpret anything that happens on stage as SN gloating or being otherwise terrible in some way.

For the record, I thought it was a pretty lame performance overall, with the exception of a couple of notes in Mike Campbell's guitar solo.

The kind of stuff she's doing at 2:29-2:47, for instance, looks very much like that whole "act out the drama" bit she's always done with Lindsey.

Of course, that is indeed only my interpretation.

I respect your right to disagree, and I will not attempt to dismiss your interpretation by attributing it to "beliefs about what happened within Fleetwood Mac."

[Nathan]

The kind of stuff she's doing at 2:29-2:47, for instance, looks very much like that whole "act out the drama" bit she's always done with Lindsey.

Of course, that is indeed only my interpretation.

I respect your right to disagree, and I will not attempt to dismiss your interpretation by attributing it to "beliefs about what happened within Fleetwood Mac."

Thanks for your diplomacy.

I want to also mention that I do not personally have any beliefs about what happened within Fleetwood Mac. I plainly do not know or pretend to know or subscribe to any one or anyone's theory nor do I have any theories of my own. I wonder and I suspect about all different ones but I have none that I am interested in defending or backing up or justifying.

The only theory I subscribe to is "I don't know." I think that engaging with this new incarnation of FM is more enjoyable that way. Then, I'm just observing, and not feeling upset about a person on the stage who I think is a villain.

Of course, that's just me and my interpretation of how to go about it. Here again, I don't know.

[secondhandchain]

They DEFINITELY added overdubs, remixed and replaced on the same link (who easy to do). What an embarrassment they are now.

[Nathan]

They DEFINITELY added overdubs, remixed and replaced on the same link (who easy to do). What an embarrassment they are now.

Hmm, well after another listen, I think you all are right about the sound edits. I didn't hear them at first but suddenly, there's Christine in the mix.

Nice to have a better sound, I guess.

[mitzo]

They DEFINITELY added overdubs, remixed and replaced on the same link (who easy to do). What an embarrassment they are now.

They NEVER would have done that with Lindsey around!!!!!!!

[DownOnRodeo]

They NEVER would have done that with Lindsey around!!!!!!!

I think (or assume) that seconhandhandchain is certainly aware, like most of us, that Lindsey has always made a point of sprucing up live recordings in post-editing (eg The Dance), so that's not the point.

The point is that the replacement of the video was clumsy and amateur, particularly after hearing the producer rave about how much effort "the machine" made pre and post performance.
And yes, that kind of clumsy move would likely never have happened with Lindsey around. He would have thrown his guitar at the wall before he condoned that original joke of a mix.

[sodascouts]

The fact that it took them a few days to fix it makes me wonder if overdubbing was involved; they shouldn't have needed backlash to figure out the mix was crap. John's big bass solo was practically inaudible!

What a fiasco.

[Storms123]

The fact that it took them a few days to fix it makes me wonder if overdubbing was involved; they shouldn't have needed backlash to figure out the mix was crap. John's big bass solo was practically inaudible!

What a fiasco.

If I didn't know the song, I wouldn't know John's bass-line was there, or he was doing something special, save for the fact the band was actually looking over at him, and IIR (because I can't watch it again) Christine actually walked over to him. I don't recall ever seeing them do that before.

[Hawkeye]

I posted this in the “after the Ellen performance, we need a reminder” thread too but it also applies to this discussion. Hard evidence that you can’t say that Christine and Stevie can’t carry a show or bring excitement like Lindsey. And it isn’t a video from the 70’s, 80s or even Dance era, it’s from her very last tour.

So like Many others have also said, you can’t even come close to getting a full idea of what this band will look/sound like from their performance on Ellen.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7lQbnh-a2ag

[nicepace]

I watched the Ellen clips on Wednesday, Sept. 5, and John's bass solo was prominent at that time. I actually wondered what people on this thread were talking about when they said you could hardly hear it. I am making this comment to indicate that they must have done the edits by that date.

When were the clips originally posted? I didn't watch them right away.

[HomerMcvie]

I watched the Ellen clips on Wednesday, Sept. 5, and John's bass solo was prominent at that time. I actually wondered what people on this thread were talking about when they said you could hardly hear it. I am making this comment to indicate that they must have done the edits by that date.

When were the clips originally posted? I didn't watch them right away.

When it was first posted, I could hear the bass just fine, too. I wasn't sure why people were saying that, other than I was watching on a desktop, with real speakers(not good ones, but not phone speakers, either).

[vivfox]

When it was first posted, I could hear the bass just fine, too. I wasn't sure why people were saying that, other than I was watching on a desktop, with real speakers(not good ones, but not phone speakers, either).


For me this is the exact same scenario.Except my speakers are good ones (Bose). I heard his bass line perfectly fine the day it was posted. I really enjoyed Mike Campbell's guitar playing throughout The Chain. But I'm with most of you in saying that Neil Finn doesn't work within Fleetwood Mac. I never want to see either of these videos ever again. I rewatched only after Nancy said they were remixed but I didn't really hear a difference. The Chain should be dropped from the set. It's such a slap in the face to all us fans cause not only did the Rumours 4 break the chain, they SEVERED it for life. If they think they can fire Lindsey and we are just going to roll over like dogs then they better bring forth a band that is BETTER than the one they had and frankly that is quite impossible. And Christine and Stevie should be more animated than ever before. These folks have a new band to sell and IMO it was a total flop. And I WANTED them to be good!

[HomerMcvie]

For me this is the exact same scenario.Except my speakers are good ones (Bose). I heard his bass line perfectly fine the day it was posted. I really enjoyed Mike Campbell's guitar playing throughout The Chain. But I'm with most of you in saying that Neil Finn doesn't work within Fleetwood Mac. I never want to see either of these videos ever again. I rewatched only after Nancy said they were remixed but I didn't really hear a difference. The Chain should be dropped from the set. It's such a slap in the face to all us fans cause not only did the Rumours 4 break the chain, they SEVERED it for life. If they think they can fire Lindsey and we are just going to roll over like dogs then they better bring forth a band that is BETTER than the one they had and frankly that is quite impossible. And Christine and Stevie should be more animated than ever before. These folks have a new band to sell and IMO it was a total flop. And I WANTED them to be good!

$tevie is Mick's meal ticket, and they BOTH know that. Mick needs her far more than $he needs him, so he must appease her wishes.

I think Mike is an okay fit, but the Crowded House guy felt very awkward. How can $he sing those songs to him?

$tevie'$ ego got the best of her, and they done screwed the pooch on this horrible decision.

[David]

I posted this in the “after the Ellen performance, we need a reminder” thread too but it also applies to this discussion. Hard evidence that you can’t say that Christine and Stevie can’t carry a show or bring excitement like Lindsey. And it isn’t a video from the 70’s, 80s or even Dance era, it’s from her very last tour.
Lots of power there definitely. Old-time rock spirit. I guess she felt like putting it up that night. She should cast off her inhibitions more often and break out that girl for more audiences throughout the year.

[SteveMacD]

I couldn’t hear John when I watched on my phone and it was only somewhat better when I streamed it on TV. It wasn’t until I listened in the car that it was clear.

[Nathan]

Lots of power there definitely. Old-time rock spirit. I guess she felt like putting it up that night. She should cast off her inhibitions more often and break out that girl for more audiences throughout the year.

I agree. I always wonder what goes on leading up to the show that inspires a performance like that. Someone she met with? Good time New Jersey memories? Who knows.

[jbrownsjr]

No hate. I liked Billy, too. He had sort of a goofy, kid-brother personality onstage. He was accessible (artistically) and musical. It wasn't until he did his Q&A at the Penguin that I got a little disgusted. In that Q&A, Billy was dismissive and kind of snotty to us fans. By contrast, Rick was delightful and polite in his Q&A.


Touché, jb.

Gee whiz, I'm going to have to go back and read the Q&A.

[button-lip]

$tevie is Mick's meal ticket, and they BOTH know that. Mick needs her far more than $he needs him, so he must appease her wishes.

I think Mike is an okay fit, but the Crowded House guy felt very awkward. How can $he sing those songs to him?

$tevie'$ ego got the best of her, and they done screwed the pooch on this horrible decision.

Oh, definitely he needs her more than she needs him. I think she doesn't need anybody at this point in her life. Quite sad, actually. But I don't care, actually. ;)

She doesn't even know what she's doing, I think. Singing those songs to Neil, who she barely knows? Next think we know she's gonna sing Landslide to Campbell.

I really, really hope Christine ran away at the end of this tour/leg/whatever. Fast. She doesn't seem happy. She needs to redeem herself. Mick and Stevie, they can burn in hell for all I know.

[button-lip]

Seriously! People rag on SnL for being fake on stage, but there were real moments like that one, and even when they were doing it for the fans at least the lyrics always had real meaning to them. They could always draw upon that meaning to find the passion to pour into their singing.

There is no such thing as a "Neil and Stevie dynamic" and yet there she goes... desperately trying to act as if he shares even a modicum of history with her by singing at him. Pathetic. And I can understand why Neil might have a hard time singing passionately when he's performing a song that doesn't relate to him in any way.

Well, maybe if she's doing (or trying to do) her act with Neil instead of Lindsey is because it's pretty much the same for her, because after all it's just a performance for her. Maybe not for Lindsey, but she's proving the guy in front of her doesn't matter, as long as she can do her act. Pretty cynical, and totally predictable coming from her. :shrug:

[Buster]

Oh, definitely he needs her more than she needs him. I think she doesn't need anybody at this point in her life. Quite sad, actually. But I don't care, actually. ;)

She doesn't even know what she's doing, I think. Singing those songs to Neil, who she barely knows? Next think we know she's gonna sing Landslide to Campbell.

I really, really hope Christine ran away at the end of this tour/leg/whatever. Fast. She doesn't seem happy. She needs to redeem herself. Mick and Stevie, they can burn in hell for all I know.

I think Christine is just as guilty for what has happened. There is no redemption for any of them. Good people take a stand.

[Ulpian]

I think Christine is just as guilty for what has happened. There is no redemption for any of them. Good people take a stand.

“Good people take a stand” is rather sanctimonious.

I’ve held off on saying much since Lindsey’s departure, but boiling it down to ‘good’ people/‘bad’ people and making the circumstances seem so black and white is pretty simplistic.

I am really sad Lindsey has gone. I am not a fan of the new lineup, and especially not of Stevie or Mick. However, in my view there is fault on Lindsey’s side, too, and allusions to that fault filtered out in one or two articles around the time of his departure. I don’t want to be accused of defamation so I’m not going to write more than that.

[jbrownsjr]

I think Christine is just as guilty for what has happened. There is no redemption for any of them. Good people take a stand.

That's what happens when you take a 15 year vacation. It weakens your position and you have zero say when you come back.

I often wonder what her circumstances were. :distress:

[SteveMacD]

“Good people take a stand” is rather sanctimonious

The sanctimony has been laid on pretty thick around here, lately.

[Buster]

I should have been clearer. I think those who believe Lindsey was wronged should not give Christine a pass while slamming Stevie and Mick. I personally don’t know if Lindsey was wronged or not so I have no opinion about Christine.

If it’s true that Lindsey was fired for no good reason, then a wrong occurred. And I should have said the good/right thing to do is to take a stand. Not wait until after the tour is over.

[Nathan]

The sanctimony has been laid on pretty thick around here, lately.

Yes, it seems like it might be in response to the negativity, name-calling, and band member bashing that's become so prevalent here.

[button-lip]

That's what happens when you take a 15 year vacation. It weakens your position and you have zero say when you come back.

I often wonder what her circumstances were. :distress:

Exactly! She stupidly thinks she owns that man (aka Mick) something because of all the "waiting and keeping you place safe" years. Really! Where's the Christine we all know? :shrug:

[louielouie2000]

Christine’s nearly 2 decade exile from the world really seems to have fundamentally altered her psyche. She emerged as this seemingly meek, humble person. Whereas before she was a pretty formidable character who pitied no fools. Part of this is most certainly age... she’s on the downhill to 80 now. But I think something else was at work during her time away, too. It wasn’t just an ugly divorce, fear of flying, etc that kept her away from the world for so long. I think she may have had some sort of breakdown. Ken Caillat certainly thought she was well on that road when he wrote his book.

Whatever the case, do I think Chris could have shut down all the events of this year? Old Christine could have, yes. But the power structure in the band is so very different now... the band is clearly not a democracy anymore, nor has Mick been the boss for decades. And in the end, what Stevie wants in the 21st century, Stevie gets. It also appears Lindsey’s firing & replacement took place entirely behind Christine’s back. Could Chris have simply chosen to walk away from this ridiculous charade? Possibly- but I’m guessing she’s avoiding isolation again at all costs.

So am I giving both of the McVie’s a free pass on everything? Kinda. They are the oldest & by far the most frail members of the band. Not to mention we still don’t really know what’s going on with John’s health, and if Christine may be keeping the peace in the band simply to stand with him. We simply don’t know. What we do know is Stevie’s ax to grind with Lindsey has degraded and that Mick will do absolutely anything to keep Stevie happy, the money flowing, and the band playing. So in the end, assigning blame isn’t being emotional or vindictive, it’s simply a matter of deduction.

[jbrownsjr]

Christine’s nearly 2 decade exile from the world really seems to have fundamentally altered her psyche. She emerged as this seemingly meek, humble person. Whereas before she was a pretty formidable character who pitied no fools. Part of this is most certainly age... she’s on the downhill to 80 now. But I think something else was at work during her time away, too. It wasn’t just an ugly divorce, fear of flying, etc that kept her away from the world for so long. I think she may have had some sort of breakdown. Ken Caillat certainly thought she was well on that road when he wrote his book.

Whatever the case, do I think Chris could have shut down all the events of this year? Old Christine could have, yes. But the power structure in the band is so very different now... the band is clearly not a democracy anymore, nor has Mick been the boss for decades. And in the end, what Stevie wants in the 21st century, Stevie gets. It also appears Lindsey’s firing & replacement took place entirely behind Christine’s back. Could Chris have simply chosen to walk away from this ridiculous charade? Possibly- but I’m guessing she’s avoiding isolation again at all costs.

So am I giving both of the McVie’s a free pass on everything? Kinda. They are the oldest & by far the most frail members of the band. Not to mention we still don’t really know what’s going on with John’s health, and if Christine may be keeping the peace in the band simply to stand with him. We simply don’t know. What we do know is Stevie’s ax to grind with Lindsey has degraded and that Mick will do absolutely anything to keep Stevie happy, the money flowing, and the band playing. So in the end, assigning blame isn’t being emotional or vindictive, it’s simply a matter of deduction.

Christine got into a bit of trouble after ITM. She fell down the steps and hurt her back. She was allegedly drinking and taking her pain meds. She eventually got help and woke up. God bless her.

[BaronVonBielski]

I’m sorry, but Stevie Nicks’ voice is just so monotone. She’s got no emotion, no range. I have no knock on Mike or Neil. Just doing a job. And how does one expect him to sing Lindsey’s parts in The Chain??? Of course he’s gonna try and deliver just like the album. Who really thinks he would start off doing his own version?

[Neal]

Christine got into a bit of trouble after ITM. She fell down the steps and hurt her back. She was allegedly drinking and taking her pain meds. She eventually got help and woke up. God bless her.

This... :distress:

ITM showed that her creative itch was returning, so I can't help but think if not for that mishap, she might've returned to the fold even sooner.

[jbrownsjr]

This... :distress:

ITM showed that her creative itch was returning, so I can't help but think if not for that mishap, she might've returned to the fold even sooner.

She should have come back for the 2009 tour. I agree.

[Neal]

She should have come back for the 2009 tour. I agree.

If she had, it no doubt would've changed the trajectory this band has been on for the past decade.

Oh for what might have been... *sigh* :(

[SteveMacD]

the band is clearly not a democracy anymore, nor has Mick been the boss for decades.
Not since the end of the Tusk tour.

Possibly- but I’m guessing she’s avoiding isolation again at all costs.
Also, she enjoys being in the band with them. It’s possible to have more than one thought at once on things like this. She can be mad at what happened and that it happened behind her back but still want to be in the band and be excited about the upcoming tour.

[Storms123]

Not since the end of the Tusk tour.


Also, she enjoys being in the band with them. It’s possible to have more than one thought at once on things like this. She can be mad at what happened and that it happened behind her back but still want to be in the band and be excited about the upcoming tour.

Agreed. She said herself she’s looking forward to touring with them, so have to assume she’s got some level of comfort as to where things are.

[Lola]

I couldn't even watch this sh*tshow till a few days ago. Picture me sitting on the couch clutching my inhaler before I pressed play on the remote. This performance was a real adjective test. Dull, boring, uninspired, sad, flat, listless, lifeless, anemic, lethargic. It felt so incredibly sad to me. Sad but with some other emotion I can't describe.

One of my favorite books is Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. There's a part where the narrator is listening to comments from friends about how quickly his son is growing and the passage of time---"Suddenly the feeling of the tomb comes on". This sentence is exactly how I felt watching Ellen:(

[jwd]

Weren't you just impugning someone earlier this evening for your assessment of her maturity level?

Maybe you should not post while you're drinking.

:laugh: I bet you're the life of the party Nathan! This one's for you.

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[jbrownsjr]

:laugh: I bet you're the life of the party Nathan! This one's for you.

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I thought that was Gypsy on the Ellen show.

[HomerMcvie]

:laugh: I bet you're the life of the party Nathan! This one's for you.

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OMFG. :xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

[jwd]

I thought that was Gypsy on the Ellen show.

Well yeah, it stunk badly!

[jbrownsjr]

Well yeah, it stunk badly!

It really did. But to be fair, that song has always stunk live.

[sodascouts]

It really did. But to be fair, that song has always stunk live.

Most of the time, yeah.... but I've always loved this acoustic version:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/m5HeRgOVOMw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Check out 4:02. Only Lindsey.


(Slightly more effective than a finger plonking a keyboard...)

[jbrownsjr]

Most of the time, yeah.... but I've always loved this acoustic version:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/m5HeRgOVOMw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Check out 4:02. Only Lindsey.


(Slightly more effective than a finger plonking a keyboard...)

No see... You proved me wrong. It's almost always stunk. :laugh::wavey:

[dreamsunwind]

It really did. But to be fair, that song has always stunk live.

The one from the Mirage tour video is one of my favorite things ever.

[jbrownsjr]

The one from the Mirage tour video is one of my favorite things ever.

I do like that one. I love her eyes in it. I love the way BuckVie interact in it, too.

[HomerMcvie]

I do like that one. I love her eyes in it. I love the way BuckVie interact in it, too.

But she really monotones that first verse to death, though.

[jbrownsjr]

But she really monotones that first verse to death, though.

I've never considered any of these 3 to be great singers. They make magic together. Something one of them didn't realize.

[gldstwmn]

And if she really can't play even that much, why isn't Mystery Keyboard guy doing it?

His name is Ricky Peterson. He is the keyboard player in Stevie's touring band.

[gldstwmn]

The backup singers are Sharon and a blonde.....Marilyn? That's not Jana I don't think. No sign of Lori. Is she sitting this one out?

She wanted to spend time with her grandson, watch him learn to walk and talk.

[gldstwmn]

In other words, it was an interesting day in the Buckingham household.

She can't imagine how he felt? Do they live in the same house? He was conspicuously absent from their Italian vacation photos too. Weird.

[gldstwmn]

I wonder if this board could make a separate category for people to post in? How about "People who hate Fleetwood Mac?" That way, all the people who hate FM could post how much they hate FM there. And the people who like FM and their music could post here, on what is a FM fan board. Don't get me wrong, I believe in free speech, it just gets old to see posts by people who hate FM on a FM fan board. By providing a separate board for the people who hate the band, including one of the moderators, everybody would be happy.

You forgot the category for the people that hate everything. They're here too. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

You must be on the winning side if you're compared to
Kellyanne Conway.

___________________________________________

More like Charlie Sheen...

[gldstwmn]

Exactly, her weight is totally irrelevant....why would that even be mentioned :distress:

Misogyny. :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

One thing that has not been mentioned yet is Ellen's comments. She mentioned at least 3 times "They sound so good" "Boy they really sound good" "Don't you agree, they really sounded good"
Maybe because I am trained in statement analysis but it seems Ellen is providing cover to the band as if everyone expected the band to sound bad with new members?
Lots of bands perform on Ellen. Does she say 3 times after they perform how good they sound and then ask the audience the same thing?
I am probably in the minority again but I just thought that was strange. Its just sad that the band needs a prop up from Ellen because of new members :(

That was my assessment of it as well.

[gldstwmn]

Putting together this ridiculous new band and having the ****ing nerve to have The Chain be their choice to debut - it’s a slap in the face and shows so much disrespect for fans who have stuck with them during all of their drama and games. Because we love them.

I'm surprised no one here has mentioned it yet but not only did they open with The Chain they completed the one two punch with Gypsy which LB has very publicly stated is his favorite Stevie song. Ow.

[gldstwmn]

A bunch of white women. Where were the men?
I guess they've got jobs and don't have time to
go to a television show taping.

They were over the top. That was an easy tell.

It think it's a fascinating tell that you're concerned the poor men were off working while their wives were frittering about at a tv show. They probably went shopping and to lunch. The nerve. Who was cleaning the house? Next thing you now they'll want to drive, wear shoes and vote. These things can get out of hand!

[gldstwmn]

Welp, Homer’s no longer the biggest misogynist on The Ledge!

Long Distance Winner. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

I really wish I could block Sugar Mouse sub quotes too. That level of ignorance is staggering and really has no place on a FM fan site.

How much would it cost to buy TL? I would consider buying it just for banning power.

Some already tried that. And he we are.

[gldstwmn]

For the record, I thought it was a pretty lame performance overall, with the exception of a couple of notes in Mike Campbell's guitar solo.

The mix was soo off. I thought they sounded fine aside from that. The vibe was a little tense/awkward but I attribute that to the newness/nervousness of the situation. I certainly wouldn't let this performance dissuade me from buying tickets. If you have a tv show that features musical performances than please for the love of God hire someone who can make them sound good. The real sneak peak will come this weekend with the iHeart Radio show which we know no one here is going to watch ;). We'll really get an idea of where the band is at musically now.

[gldstwmn]

They NEVER would have done that with Lindsey around!!!!!!!

488 takes and a VSO later... :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I think Christine is just as guilty for what has happened. There is no redemption for any of them. Good people take a stand.

Maybe they did take a stand. We don't know what happened.

[jbrownsjr]

Long Distance Winner. :thumbsup:

Race were Run

[gldstwmn]

“Good people take a stand” is rather sanctimonious.

I’ve held off on saying much since Lindsey’s departure, but boiling it down to ‘good’ people/‘bad’ people and making the circumstances seem so black and white is pretty simplistic.

I am really sad Lindsey has gone. I am not a fan of the new lineup, and especially not of Stevie or Mick. However, in my view there is fault on Lindsey’s side, too, and allusions to that fault filtered out in one or two articles around the time of his departure. I don’t want to be accused of defamation so I’m not going to write more than that.

I will just say that the latest Rumour is that Fleetwood Mac was going to get caught up in some sort of Les Moonves type of situation and leave it at that. If that actually turned out to be the case you'd be able to hear a f*cking pin drop around here. Again we have no idea what really happened.

[gldstwmn]

That's what happens when you take a 15 year vacation. It weakens your position and you have zero say when you come back.

I often wonder what her circumstances were. :distress:

She has said she was taking pain pills. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Yes, it seems like it might be in response to the negativity, name-calling, and band member bashing that's become so prevalent here.

We are experiencing quite the mean season here and in our country today. A little sanctimony can go a long way these days. :cool:

[jbrownsjr]

She has said she was taking pain pills. :shrug:

She did indeed. Further, one of my inside people told me it was bad.

[gldstwmn]

Race were Run

Races are Run. Tell me I'm wrong I can't believe you... :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

She did indeed. Further, one of my inside people told me it was bad.
Thank God she is okay. I don't think the band cares that her playing days are pretty much over. They need her presence.

[jbrownsjr]

Thank God she is okay. I don't think the band cares that her playing days are pretty much over. They need her presence.

The girl can write like nobody's business.

[gldstwmn]

The girl can write like nobody's business.

I'm sure she's fine in the studio but despite what Mick says I cannot see them making a record from the ground up when they're 80 which is where they'll be by the time this tour finishes up. Maybe an EP though?

[Angel75]

I will just say that the latest Rumour is that Fleetwood Mac was going to get caught up in some sort of Les Moonves type of situation and leave it at that. If that actually turned out to be the case you'd be able to hear a f*cking pin drop around here. Again we have no idea what really happened.

Not the 'latest' Rumour....one that is months old.....that Blind proved to not be Fleetwood Mac unless you have more concrete evidence to support such rumour.....:shrug:

[jbrownsjr]

I'm sure she's fine in the studio but despite what Mick says I cannot see them making a record from the ground up when they're 80 which is where they'll be by the time this tour finishes up. Maybe an EP though?

Isn't It Midnight? On the other side of the tour?

[gldstwmn]

Not the 'latest' Rumour....one that is months old.....that Blind proved to not be Fleetwood Mac unless you have more concrete evidence to support such rumour.....:shrug:

That wasn't my point. We don't know what happened. That was my point.

[gldstwmn]

Isn't It Midnight? On the other side of the tour?

Say they will!

[iamnotafraid]

It think it's a fascinating tell that you're concerned the poor men were off working while their wives were frittering about at a tv show. They probably went shopping and to lunch. The nerve. Who was cleaning the house? Next thing you now they'll want to drive, wear shoes and vote. These things can get out of hand!

I am really surprised that anyone would
take what I wrote there as serious.

Is it really that easy to fool people here?

[gldstwmn]

I am really surprised that anyone would
take what I wrote there as serious.

Is it really that easy to fool people here?

Oh. My post wasn't serious either so to answer your question yes I guess it is.

[gldstwmn]

Here are my grades of The Finnwood Mac performance on The Ellen Show
“The Chain”

Stevie C (seemed off-key to me and made an odd vocal gesture mid-way through the song)



Now that you're along for the ride I just thought someone should let you know
that this will be the first of many "odd vocal gesture"(s). :laugh:
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[Nick]

That performance of SOTM was EVERYTHING!

[gldstwmn]

That performance of SOTM was EVERYTHING!

The one from the Tusk Tour ain't bad either!

[jbrownsjr]

The one from the Tusk Tour ain't bad either!

The Mirage Version is one of their best songs live of all time. No doubt about that.

[gldstwmn]

The Mirage Version is one of their best songs live of all time. No doubt about that.
IMO they were cooking that whole tour. I want a live version of Hold Me!

[jbrownsjr]

IMO they were cooking that whole tour. I want a live version of Hold Me!

ISA and Rhiannon are also smoking good.

[jwd]

Most of the time, yeah.... but I've always loved this acoustic version:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/m5HeRgOVOMw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Check out 4:02. Only Lindsey.


(Slightly more effective than a finger plonking a keyboard...)

Oh yeah, that was one of my favorite renditions of "Gypsy" as well. Played as only Lindsey can, and Stevie sang it beautifully. This was a benefit for the Arizona Heart Institute, if I remember correctly. A passion of Stevie's Father, Jess Nicks. I'm not sure of the time period, but I want to say it was around the mid 90s(The Dance). It was special that Lindsey dedicated his time playing for Stevie, Jess, and the AHI. I wish things would have "ended" on more of this kind of note than what has transpired as of late.

[vivfox]

benefit for the Arizona Heart Institute, if I remember correctly. A passion of Stevie's Father, Jess Nicks. I'm not sure of the time period, but I want to say it was around the mid 90s(The Dance).


Funny thing is, since I was actually in attendance for this show I have no memory of this being performed there. The year was 2000 and already long before that I was bored sheetless with the same live arrangements that I had heard a thousand times before, not just in concert but on all the bootlegs or past live videos or whatever. Even Leather and Lace was the same ole same ole. I went to this show with a friend and during most of it my friend made lamb sounds as SN sang her stuff which we could see in the faces of the people sitting around us, seemed very offensive to them. But we didn't care. It was a way to convey our boredom and make it fun for ourselves. This acoustic version of Gypsy is such a refreshing change from the band versions though.

[jwd]

Funny thing is, since I was actually in attendance for this show I have no memory of this being performed there. The year was 2000 and already long before that I was bored sheetless with the same live arrangements that I had heard a thousand times before, not just in concert but on all the bootlegs or past live videos or whatever. Even Leather and Lace was the same ole same ole. I went to this show with a friend and during most of it my friend made lamb sounds as SN sang her stuff which we could see in the faces of the people sitting around us, seemed very offensive to them. But we didn't care. It was a way to convey our boredom and make it fun for ourselves. This acoustic version of Gypsy is such a refreshing change from the band versions though.

Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was close to a time when I think Stevie and Lindsey had actually buried the hatchet with each other.

You know, that's just it. As much as we have had listen to the same songs over and over again for decades now, with virtually nothing new coming from FM, it would be nice if they could do different arrangements of those songs. That's why this version was a breath of fresh air with a splash of creativity thrown in.

[lovethemac1]

Most of the time, yeah.... but I've always loved this acoustic version:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/m5HeRgOVOMw" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Check out 4:02. Only Lindsey.


(Slightly more effective than a finger plonking a keyboard...)

Thus is wonderful. Linsey's playing is so sparkly.

Thank you, hadn't watched that in ages.

[secondhandchain]

According to an article I just read, Mick says they will be on tour for 18 months. So they will be almost 80 and they are going to do new music? YEAH SURE.

[HomerMcvie]

According to an article I just read, Mick says they will be on tour for 18 months. So they will be almost 80 and they are going to do new music? YEAH SURE.

Dick gets zero respect here. He's a complete charlatan, liar, and thief. I wouldn't trust him with my Grandma's panties.

[Angel75]

I wouldn't trust him with my Grandma's panties.

Thanks for making me lose my dinner :distress::distress:

[iamnotafraid]

I wouldn't trust him with my Grandma's panties.

Speaking of granny panties Homer,
what size do you think Stevie wears?

[HomerMcvie]

Speaking of granny panties Homer,
what size do you think Stevie wears?

I'll have to do some studying on intimate wear for farm animals....

I'm still unsure of the size, though. Triple XXX, at least!

[iamnotafraid]

I'll have to do some studying on intimate wear for farm animals....

My brother's goats take offense at being
compared to Stevie. Oops, I meant...
$tevie.

[HomerMcvie]

My brother's goats take offense at being
compared to Stevie. Oops, I meant...
$tevie.

I don't blame him? It's a really bah'd comparison. $tevie gives goats everywhere a bah'd name.

[Macfan4life]

Speaking of the Mirage tour. Someone posted this with gifs during the chain on Richard's photo site. I thought it was funny.

… "she hates him, he hates her, they’re on more coke than the entire output of Bolivia that year and its so dark and genius - like a slam poetry competition with very high stakes"…

[David]

I want a live version of Hold Me!You mean on video? If that US Festival ever gets released, we might see it there. It's a shame for the MIRAGE deluxe box we didn't see the unused video footage from L.A. that Marty Callner shot. Laziness.