Fleetwood Mac on Ellen

[SteveMacD]

Not unlike the solo in live versions of "Landslide" from 1997 to 2017. :nod:

Not exactly. Lindsey’s guitar rearrangement on Landslide was pretty amazing. The Gypsy line didn’t require a major reworking for guitar, and it’s as easy to play on guitar as it is keyboard.

[AncientQueen]

Okay, you can say that I troll this board, but I DO love Christine and Stevie. Still, I'm embarrassed on the bands behalf, The Chain was just soooo bad.
And what in the seven hells did Stevie do to her poor face?
Christine looked good, but what did she do aside from standing behind a keyboard and shimmying a bit (which was cute).

[jbrownsjr]

Okay, you can say that I troll this board, but I DO love Christine and Stevie. Still, I'm embarrassed on the bands behalf, The Chain was just soooo bad.
And what in the seven hells did Stevie do to her poor face?
Christine looked good, but what did she do aside from standing behind a keyboard and shimmying a bit (which was cute).

At first, I thought $he looked a little sleepy. But $he may have possibly had some injections in the cheeks?? They looked puffy from botox or such measures.

And yes, Christine... if you're not going to do anything, at least you look amazing and cute. :lol:

[tsitopen]

I doubt Ellen of all people will bring up Lindsey.

That actually made me laugh

[bombaysaffires]

I've seen Christine play the Landslide parts before. I believe she did on the BTM tour. And she did it on other tours as well.

Bloody play something, Christine!!

she played a keyboard line in the middle of Landslide on the Tusk tour, it's on the Live album.

[jbrownsjr]

So we're back
to the daytime
Burbank lot
Back to the song
that we loved
To a band with no grace
and fading powers
Back to the pitchy
song it was.
Before Lindsey,
That it was.

And it all comes down to two
Well you know that we needed
Two new guys
Maybe Neil, maybe Mike
Oh, Ellen does the scripted patter right
And you hear you're pitchy
Hey
You hear you're pitchy
Hey

Still the pitchi-
ness remains
She faces Neil Finn
who asks "Why am I here?"
"I have no idea--
"I only asked for Mike...
"And though I got a Mike
"No the Mike wasn't enough
"Enough for Lindsey's parts
"Enough to.. lol"

Stevie's dancing her way
On Ellen now
She was just off pitch
She was just, off pitch
And the memory of Lindsey who
made this song great
You see you ditched him
Hey
You, Stevie, ditched him
Uh-oh oh.


Unfortunately, this is wayyyy better than the Ellen show today.
You know me well!! lol

[jbrownsjr]

she played a keyboard line in the middle of Landslide on the Tusk tour, it's on the Live album.

I know! I remember listening to that a month ago. I usually skip that song because well.... But, when I heard her do it I was impressed.

[bombaysaffires]

interesting placement of the new members onstage.....Mike in Lindsey's spot, and Neil between Stevie and Christine.... Stevie stays front and center.

Stevie needs someone to look at, to direct her theatrics to, and Mike isn't really that person, so she seems to be trying to do that with Neil instead. I don't like him being a sort of barrier (even if unintended) between her interacting with Chris.

The other thing that strikes me is that Christine's last tour was her and Lindsey; this time it's her and Stevie. :(

[bombaysaffires]

https://www.spin.com/2018/09/fleetwood-mac-new-lineup-ellen-performance-the-chain-gypsy-watch/

Fleetwood Mac debuted their new Lindsey-Buckingham-less lineup today on Ellen. Reportedly due to “scheduling conflicts” over the band’s 2018 tour, Buckingham parted ways with Fleetwood Mac in April (and not for the first time). The seemingly displeased singer-songwriter is now planning on touring solo during the same time frame as the new Mac lineup, which features Neil Finn (Crowded House, Split Enz) on vocals and guitar and big-hat aficionado Mike Campbell, of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers fame, on lead guitar.

On Ellen, the new Mac ran through the beloved Rumours ensemble number “The Chain” and their silky-smooth Mirage hit “Gypsy,” which highlights Stevie Nicks. The sound of the band, with its newfound dual guitar interplay, has an appealingly full quality, though it doesn’t look like anyone is having too much fun onstage. The possible exception: Nicks, who gesticulates playfully and beams throughout “Gypsy” (the better of the two performances) and Campbell, who very apparently just loves to wail.

Do the sparks fly implicitly between Nicks and Neil Finn when they stare at each other across the stage, with the same bittersweet alchemy of Nicks and Buckingham in the golden days? Of course not, but it might actually be less uncomfortable than watching Nicks and Buckingham’s attempts to recreate that over the course of the past couple of decades, when it’s been unclear if they even speak to one another without the help of personal assistants.

Fleetwood Mac’s tour begins on October 3 in Tulsa. Watch the new Fleetwood Mac in action below.

[jbrownsjr]

interesting placement of the new members onstage.....Mike in Lindsey's spot, and Neil between Stevie and Christine.... Stevie stays front and center.

Stevie needs someone to look at, to direct her theatrics to, and Mike isn't really that person, so she seems to be trying to do that with Neil instead. I don't like him being a sort of barrier (even if unintended) between her interacting with Chris.

The other thing that strikes me is that Christine's last tour was her and Lindsey; this time it's her and Stevie. :(

Buckingham/McVie
Nicks/McVie

Isn't that weird?

[bombaysaffires]

Fleetwood Mac are set to embark on an extensive North American tour next month. The 52-date outing will see the legendary outfit incorporating new members Mike Campbell, the longtime lead guitarist for Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, and Crowded House frontman Neil Finn, who were both brought into the fold to replace Lindsey Buckingham. During their appearance on Ellen this afternoon, Fleetwood Mac debuted this lineup live for the first time, as JamBase points out.

Longtime members Stevie Nicks, Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, and Christine McVie were joined onstage by Campbell and Finn as this new iteration of Fleetwood Mac rolled through two classic catalog cuts. Finn helped lead the way through Rumours staple “The Chain”, while Nicks took the reins during Mirage selection “Gypsy”.

In a recent interview with Rolling Stone, Nicks said the addition of Campbell and Finn would allow Fleetwood Mac to play songs from the entirety of their catalog on this upcoming tour. “We were never able to do that since 1975 because certain people in the band weren’t interested in doing that,” Nicks was quoted as saying. “Now we’re able to open the set with a lot; a raucous version of ‘Rattlesnake Shake’ or something. I’d also like to do ‘Station Man,’ which has always been one of may favorites. We’re definitely doing ‘Oh Well.’”

The tour officially begins October 3rd in Tulsa; find the full itinerary here. Grab tickets here.

In the future, Fleetwood Mac also plan to record new music with Campbell and Finn.

Buckingham was fired from Fleetwood Mac back in April over disagreements regarding the scheduling of this upcoming tour. He’s set to launch his own solo tour in October.

https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/09/fleetwood-mac-ellen-chain-gypsy/

[secondhandchain]

Stevie is front and center just like she always wanted. They sound lame and there is ZERO chemistry.

[Mr Scarrott]

interesting placement of the new members onstage.....Mike in Lindsey's spot, and Neil between Stevie and Christine.... Stevie stays front and center.

Stevie needs someone to look at, to direct her theatrics to, and Mike isn't really that person, so she seems to be trying to do that with Neil instead. I don't like him being a sort of barrier (even if unintended) between her interacting with Chris.

The other thing that strikes me is that Christine's last tour was her and Lindsey; this time it's her and Stevie. :(

Their placement did indeed take me by surprise..as did Christine directly facing the audience rather than her usual more side-on position. But really, what is it with Christine and her ever-diminishing keyboard work? Laziness or arthritis? That we didn't hear her voice much is another niggling worry. She just about got away with it on the last Mac tour with the occasional falsetto and the odd forgivable flub.

I liked Mike's guitar work on the Chain. Neil did not have a commanding presence.. he wasn't lost in the headlights.. he was just kind of... there, although his position between Stevie and Christine seemed to reduce Stevie's aura, somewhat. Who knows, that might be a good thing, but her fans may not agree.

Mick looked happy- maybe he's just banked an advance cheque. John's the company man. The studio audience appeared to have been hypnotised into merrily drawing down the Kool-Aid.

It's early days in this latest of stages, but I wasn't convinced, hyped or enthused. Neither was I repulsed, outraged or resigned to not following the remnants of the Mac's career.

But Lindsey has left the building, or been directed forcefully to the exit. And my goodness, the reality has firmly bitten.

[jbrownsjr]

Their placement did indeed take me by surprise..as did Christine directly facing the audience rather than her usual more side-on position. But really, what is it with Christine and her ever-diminishing keyboard work? Laziness or arthritis? That we didn't hear her voice much is another niggling worry. She just about got away with it on the last Mac tour with the occasional falsetto and the odd forgivable flub.

I liked Mike's guitar work on the Chain. Neil did not have a commanding presence.. he wasn't lost in the headlights.. he was just kind of... there, although his position between Stevie and Christine seemed to reduce Stevie's aura, somewhat. Who knows, that might be a good thing, but her fans may not agree.

Mick looked happy- maybe he's just banked an advance cheque. John's the company man. The studio audience appeared to have been hypnotised into merrily drawing down the Kool-Aid.

It's early days in this latest of stages, but I wasn't convinced, hyped or enthused. Neither was I repulsed, outraged or resigned to not following the remnants of the Mac's career.

But Lindsey has left the building, or been directed forcefully to the exit. And my goodness, the reality has firmly bitten.

Definitely, Thoughts on a Grey Day

[sleepless child]

Very homogenized. NO chemistry. I enjoyed the Billy/Rick years better. Love Mike, but it just didn't work for me. Miss Lindsey very much. Not impressed at all. Neil is very bland. This isn't going to work.

[lovethemac1]

I thought The Chain lacked a certain amount of zip and crispness. Neil's voice made me cringe a bit, it sounded too round and soft and bland. Lindsey's voice would cut through the instrumental parts and was so distinctive. It was different, that's for sure, but Neil sounded flat (or sharpe) or something.

Gypsy was bland as well, there was none of the excitement to it. I felt Stevie's voice sounded washed out, or too low. Couldn't hear Mr. Neilson at all on the "lightening strikes, maybe once, maybe twice." That always made the hair on my arms stand up, when I heard Lindsey do that part.

Mike was really good. I will give credit where I think credit is due. He sounded excellent.

John was great as always.

Christine looked amazing, sorry I couldn't hear her more.

Mick, looked ok.:(

Stevie, looked like she was going to another funeral. And she looked a little too smug for my liking.:distress:

Definitely glad I got Lindsey tickets. I may have started crying at a Fleetwood Mac show, thus confusing and embarrassing all those around me.

[Buster]

Quite surprised the biggest hit maker didn't get a song. Isn't that weird? And she looks fantastic. 75? She looks 50.

She looks great.

Any tiny interest I had in this charade is officially gone now that they debuted the farce with The Chain. Why not slap the fans a little harder.

[SteveMacD]

It took two people replace him, and they certainly don’t have the energy he had on stage. It’s just not Fleetwood Mac anymore.



-Some Bob Welch fan, circa 1975.

[Storms123]

Wonder how the debrief with the band went after the performance. They can only blow smoke up each other’s backsides for so long

[SteveMacD]

That actually made me laugh

Glad somebody liked it!

[Buster]

I finally got myself to watch it. ZERO chemistry. Painful
to watch Stevie pretend she has some kind of connection with Finn when it really came across like she met him yesterday. Boring to watch her handful of new hand gestures. No interaction between Stevie and Christine (who looks like she can’t wait until April 2019 or whenever this tour is over. Mick grinning like the morally bankrupt (pun intended) tiny little man that he really is.

I’m embarrassed for the whole lot of them.

[jbrownsjr]

It took two people replace him, and they certainly don’t have the energy he had on stage. It’s just not Fleetwood Mac anymore.



-Some Bob Welch fan, circa 1975.

Wait... Are you being serious? I have to ask. And keep in mind, I'll always respect your opinion. No matter how off we are in agreement.

[jeets2000]

Gypsy was bland as well, there was none of the excitement to it. I felt Stevie's voice sounded washed out, or too low. Couldn't hear Mr. Neilson at all on the "lightening strikes, maybe once, maybe twice." That always made the hair on my arms stand up, when I heard Lindsey do that part.

I thought the same thing. I actually went back and listened/watched a YouTube of Gypsy from the 2015 tour (Toronto show). It's of course apples and oranges (tv studio vs. arena), but I wanted to compare performances. Stevie's range is about the same, although she seemed to be singing *louder* in the concert performance. Same strange waving gestures and whatnot though.

But it's the use of the guitar that made the difference to me. It really brings some heft to the song that is missing when you just plunk the keys on the keyboard. And as you said, Lindsey doing the "Lightning strikes" lines are always a highlight for me. I just don't understand the rationale here, since Mike is unquestionably a great guitarist.

Ironically, Gypsy and The Chain are my two favorite Fleetwood Mac songs, so I can't fault them for song choice.

[SteveMacD]

Wait... Are you being serious? I have to ask. And keep in mind, I'll always respect your opinion. No matter how off we are in agreement.

Based on the bootlegs from Bob’s time in the band, he was much more the showman than Stevie or Lindsey. Not that that’s necessarily better.

[aleuzzi]

Egads, it's as sad as I thought it would be.

The guitar work is fantastic but not significant enough of a departure to sound as original as it could have. Neil Finn is competent but unexciting.

I'm one of the biggest Christine fans ever but I simply can't applaud her presence on stage if she isn't going to be heard instrumentally or vocally. I get the feeling she's playing keyboard parts though they seemed to be silenced in favor of studio professionals. I was already weary of the pre=played parts on the LB/CM tour. I can't bear to watch her remain an inaudible hologram on stage. Play or don't play. Sing or don't sing, no matter how frail you might be.

[bombaysaffires]

Based on the bootlegs from Bob’s time in the band, he was much more the showman than Stevie or Lindsey. Not that that’s necessarily better.

though to be fair even Stevie onstage then wasn't what she would become, and certainly Lindsey wasn't.

So that's the only sliver of hope for this new lineup.

[Sugar Mouse]

I thought the same thing. I actually went back and listened/watched a YouTube of Gypsy from the 2015 tour (Toronto show). It's of course apples and oranges (tv studio vs. arena), but I wanted to compare performances. Stevie's range is about the same, although she seemed to be singing *louder* in the concert performance. Same strange waving gestures and whatnot though.

But it's the use of the guitar that made the difference to me. It really brings some heft to the song that is missing when you just plunk the keys on the keyboard. And as you said, Lindsey doing the "Lightning strikes" lines are always a highlight for me. I just don't understand the rationale here, since Mike is unquestionably a great guitarist.

Ironically, Gypsy and The Chain are my two favorite Fleetwood Mac songs, so I can't fault them for song choice.

Stevie's voice really diminished the performances. She was off-key most of the time. She had very limited range and wouldn't even come close to the vocal highs from the original version of the song. Her gestures and vocal improvisations were bordering on embarrassing. That being said, "The Chain" sounded really good and I would suggest that they focus more on the songs with group harmonies, male lead, or Christine lead.

[StevieNicksfann]

I thought they sounded much better than I had anticipated. Mick’s drumming was much punchier than usual particularly on Gypsy. But I do think the physical energy lacked a bit and I agree The Chain lacked a certain zip. But overall for their first time out musically I think this is a great start. Can’t wait to see them.

[Jondalar]

Awful. I would rather have rectal cancer than attend a show.

[Storms123]

I watched it. Gypsy actually sounded a lot like it always does, minus Lindsey’s guitar solo and harmonies I thought it was fine. Maybe it was because of TV they cut it but I am thinking it might be permanent. It identifies to closely to him in my opinion. I agree with another poster that Gypsy sounds better on her solo tours
Now, “The Chain”. That was truly awful. Neil’s voice is not strong enough for that song. I don’t know if the ladies were turned down intentionally so people could hear Neil, but their sound people need to reverse that quickly. It was actually cringe worthy

[bombaysaffires]

watching Gypsy again, the fact that MIKE is the one plonking out that line on a keyboard baffles and kinda really p&sses me off. I mean, Christine couldn't even plonk out those few notes?? Really??? WTF is she doing up there??
And if she really can't play even that much, why isn't Mystery Keyboard guy doing it? It makes no sense for Mike to do it and looks really super goofy for him to do it. A guitar player of his caliber? Really? And he can't twang that bit out on his guitar either??:shrug:

Their sound person needs to be b&tched out. Stevie was fiddling with her monitor pack throughout both songs and it was clear on The Chain she couldn't hear herself. I think that moment when she blurted out whatever incoherent sound she said was her testing out the mic to see if it was even on, because she couldn't hear.

[krrrby]

What a bunch of cranky ass people who ate more than their share of Bitter Flakes this morning. You all need some therapy. The negativity towards these individuals is really a damn shame. WE GET IT. LINDSEY IS GONE. All you people can do is hurl negativity towards this whole situation? Really sad. These are musicians no matter what form they take on. It should be respected as such. Move on from this damn drama already. If you don't have anything nice to say about it then shut up!

[Miss Vicky]

What a bunch of cranky ass people who ate more than their share of Bitter Flakes this morning. You all need some therapy. The negativity towards these individuals is really a damn shame. WE GET IT. LINDSEY IS GONE. All you people can do is hurl negativity towards this whole situation? Really sad. These are musicians no matter what form they take on. It should be respected as such. Move on from this damn drama already. If you don't have anything nice to say about it then shut up!

Who's being dramatic?

Yeah, they're musicians. They're professional musicians with decades of experience who put on a very lackluster televised performance and the rest of us have every right to criticise it.

[jeets2000]

If you don't have anything nice to say about it then shut up!

Please leave this board immediately. There, now we've both said ridiculous things neither one of us are going to listen to. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen any mean-spirited reviews of their performance here that weren't based on what we all saw today. Sorry if you are having a hard time reading what folks here think. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

What a bunch of cranky ass people who ate more than their share of Bitter Flakes this morning. You all need some therapy. The negativity towards these individuals is really a damn shame. WE GET IT. LINDSEY IS GONE. All you people can do is hurl negativity towards this whole situation? Really sad. These are musicians no matter what form they take on. It should be respected as such. Move on from this damn drama already. If you don't have anything nice to say about it then shut up!

When you start paying our mortgages, maybe then you can start telling us all what to do. If you can't do that, then maybe you should shut up!:lol:

[bombaysaffires]

People just don't get it do they?

It's not that Lindsey is gone.

It's that now we see, if there was ever doubt, that the band's integrity (or what was left of it) is totally gone.

It's bad enough to take to the road when the remaining original singers can no longer perform up to par vocally or, it appears with Chris, not even as musicians and they have to have a shadow band playing for them, but then to add two new members of the caliber of Mike Campbell and have them act as stand-ins makes them nothing but an oldies cover band. (Think about how it would be if the Heartbreakers had called in Lindsey to go on the road and sing Tom's songs......gag)

It's sad. It's embarrassing. It poops on whatever credibility they had left.

That's what is upsetting everyone. As mad as I am about the whole LB debacle, part of me would be impressed as hell if SN and CM were up there really knocking it out of the park. Far from it. It's one thing if they're all up there in the Rumours5 lineup sucking together. When they're up there sucking with replacement players, it's just sad.

The rule in showbiz is to go out on top, go out leaving the crowd wanting more. At this rate they'll go out with people saying the last tour should have been the last.

[button-lip]

What a bunch of cranky ass people who ate more than their share of Bitter Flakes this morning. You all need some therapy. The negativity towards these individuals is really a damn shame. WE GET IT. LINDSEY IS GONE. All you people can do is hurl negativity towards this whole situation? Really sad. These are musicians no matter what form they take on. It should be respected as such. Move on from this damn drama already. If you don't have anything nice to say about it then shut up!

Hmmm, thanks for your input? Instead of criticizing others posters because they’re criticizing the band why don’t you tell us how was it for you?

And no, you don’t get it. And you don’t tell people what to say/think.

[Miss Vicky]

Think about how it would be if the Heartbreakers had called in Lindsey to go on the road and sing Tom's songs......gag).

I actually wouldn't fault The Heartbreakers if they had done this and I don't just say that as a Lindsey fan. Tom said once in an interview that at one point he tried to get Lindsey to join the band and share frontman duties.
:shrug:

[SteveMacD]

watching Gypsy again, the fact that MIKE is the one plonking out that line on a keyboard baffles and kinda really p&sses me off.

It’s the same part Lindsey played on guitar during shows. What Mike did was closer to the original recording.

I mean, Christine couldn't even plonk out those few notes?? Really??? WTF is she doing up there??

Christine typically plays chords on the organ during Gypsy. She never played that part.

A guitar player of his caliber? Really? And he can't twang that bit out on his guitar either??:shrug:

He absolutely could. That’s a very, very easy part to play. He was just doing something different.

Their sound person needs to be b&tched out. Stevie was fiddling with her monitor pack throughout both songs and it was clear on The Chain she couldn't hear herself. I think that moment when she blurted out whatever incoherent sound she said was her testing out the mic to see if it was even on, because she couldn't hear.

That’s probably the show’s sound engineer.

[reebokandlace]

I have not posted in a while... I only have one thing to say:

“...the sea, it changes colors, but the sea does not change, now does it?...”

[bwboy]

After seeing them on Ellen, I'm so excited to see Fleetwood Mac live next month!

[Buster]

What a bunch of cranky ass people who ate more than their share of Bitter Flakes this morning. You all need some therapy. The negativity towards these individuals is really a damn shame. WE GET IT. LINDSEY IS GONE. All you people can do is hurl negativity towards this whole situation? Really sad. These are musicians no matter what form they take on. It should be respected as such. Move on from this damn drama already. If you don't have anything nice to say about it then shut up!

You don’t believe in freedom of speech?

Even though I don’t support this new band, I would be the first to admit if they surprised me and were good. They weren’t. Maybe it was nerves, maybe it was being on tv stage, whatever. They didn’t totally suck but they weren’t Fleetwood Mac quality.

[jbrownsjr]

I tried to watch the videos a few times more. It just gets worse. :distress:

[bobwelchera]

I was very excited to see the performances today. Unfortunately, the mix was not very good. You barely could hear them sing. The musicianship was good, however, and I did like Mike's solo interpretation on The Chain. You could tell this was not an FM-centric crowd because they didn't respond to John's bass solo.

The vibe of the group is different, which is to be expected. Neil, as I also expected, sounds a lot like/closer to Lindsey on the studio version of The Chain. Neil's not a gravelly singer as Lindsey has been for some time. I think he was a bit nervous too.

I did like that they wanted to harmonize at different parts in Gypsy, but again, you couldn't hear them blend with the mix.

I have to wonder if Christine does anything about her arthritis/will be doing anything about her arthritis for the tour. I also wonder how Stevie would sound if she had surgery on her vocal nodes.

I think we really would understand their chemistry if they put together an album.

[button-lip]

Very homogenized. NO chemistry. I enjoyed the Billy/Rick years better. Love Mike, but it just didn't work for me. Miss Lindsey very much. Not impressed at all. Neil is very bland. This isn't going to work.

Oh, I think they know that already! They're just trying to put their best faces for fans who want this to work, no matter what. :rolleyes:

[Buster]

I tried to watch the videos a few times more. It just gets worse. :distress:

Same/ditto

[button-lip]

Glad the concert I'll be going to is a Lindsey Buckingham one.

:wavey:

Haha! Me too! Best choice ever! :D:woohoo::blob1::blob2:

[SmthngOfADreamr]

I haven't posted in a long time but felt watching the videos made me want to. Was it awful? Not at all. It was OK. I'd even say it was good despite the technical issues and too many extra musicians on stage. But I have to say watching it made me feel incredibly sad. I know the answer to my own question before I even ask it ($$$) but why are they doing this? Money isn't even a really acceptable answer because how much money could they really need? I'm even over the fact that they're touring without creating something new, because that's pretty much been status quo for well over a decade, but what I really don't understand is why they think it's OK to take something with such a strong legacy that was very good and now offer something that's mediocre with zero chemistry. It's frustrating to try to rationalize it, and watching them today just brought these feelings, which I've read many of us sharing here, straight to the forefront.

I listen to a lot of new music, almost exclusively, and primarily Alt-rock and Indie rock. I enjoy it very much but there's very little in these genres in the way of old school rock n roll like Fleetwood Mac. It's doubtlessly a dying genre. A few bands pop into my head, like The Growlers for example, but otherwise it's difficult to find music of their style being produced today at all because a lot of new rock relies on electronics and not guitar. Also pop music is now mostly hip-hop and rap. So it frustrates me even more that we have an exemplar of a genre, but they're coming across as if they're covering their own songs because there is no enthusiasm and a glaring missing piece of the puzzle. We certainly missed Christine but it was somehow different when her absense was by her choice. Here it feels like we've been robbed. I feel like they're just putting another nail in the coffin of a fading musical genre instead of putting a spark back into it and that really bothers me.

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but like I said, watching the videos primarily made me sad.

[StreetAngel86]

i just listened to the Chain ... couldn't bare to WATCH it

good lord it was awful.
i went in hoping to like it and then i would have shut up
but ... oh dear no.
terrible 'reimagination' of a song i once liked
couldn't hear much $tevie and didn't hear any CmV

couldnt bring myself to listen to gypsy
one of my most fave OLDschool FM songs
i don't want to hear that butchered

ETA: they're playing clips on the TV right now and just heard some of Gypsy
$tevie sounds ... screachy ... uuuuuuuuugh

[Sugar Mouse]

I had an idea today that could work well for the new Fleetwood Mac. The band would pick seven or more pre-Lindsey songs that would fit nicely with the new lineup.

For example, Oh Well, Dust, Come A Little Bit Closer, Why, For Your Love, Green Manalishi, Hypnotized, Man of The World, Spare Me A Little of Your Love, and The Way I Feel are some possibilities.

Then have the new lineup record new versions of these songs. Perhaps someone like Mitchell Froom could produce.

In addition, have Neil, Christine, and Stevie each bring in one new song. Could be completely new or simply an unrecorded old song. Record those three songs as well.

Now they'd have a fairly easily to finish new studio album of 10+ songs to release prior to the tour to add some excitement to the upcoming dates.

[priestofnothing]

That actually made me laugh

OMG, I just got it too - finally! LOL. Ellen won't bring up Lindsey since they both shared the same lover - Anne Heche.

If this were that "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon" game or whatever that was called, and it wasn't "in the same movie together" - but instead "who slept together" - Ellen and Stevie would be in pretty close degree to each other.

LOL - Chain keep us together.

[Hawkeye]

I’m with the majority that most of that sucked but the parts that didn’t have me REALLY excited :laugh:

The first half of The Chain and all of Gypsy was incredibly unimpressive, boring and in the case of The Chain hard to even watch at times. And it has nothing to do with not being able to see someone other then Lindsey singing those lines with stevie, it just looked and sounded completely off.

But to be fair when has Gypsy not been boring live and Stevie’s vocals not sucked on Gypsy. (The Hey Hey Baby thing is her worst live change up ever)

And maybe worst of all is why are they using a cardboard cutout of Christine like John in the Tusk video?

Slight exaggeration, but how do they get 2 songs and and play on TV for the first time with Christine after she left in 98 and not utilize her at all. It’s like since Stevie feels she’s the new Lindsey or Alpha in the band, Christine wants to be the new Stevie and just stand there looking pretty and making cool
Hand gestures when it’s not her song:laugh:

Now the one bright point of these 2 performances was The Chain From
johns solo on. I had the same smirk as Stevie during the guitar solo. It looks and sounds as great as I hoped it would when I first imagined mike Campbell playing with Mick and John. This clearly condensed version of what’s in store for the actual concert has me really excited. Plus I actually thought Neil sounded great on the Running in the Sgadows line. And the harmonieson “The Chain keep us together” actually sounded good.

So while 80 percent of what I saw today sucked, and does not have me wanting to go out and buy my ticket, it left me feeling more optimistic then pessimistic about this upcoming tour. It’s really going to come down to what their set list is. I know a lot of us say that every tour but I think the quality of this one depends on their choices. I bet they will sound amazing and have better chemistry on songs they want to play vs. the ones they have to play.

So if the set is heavier on Mike Campbell Mick and John jamming to Peter Green songs, passionate performances from Stevie on some interesting songs, pre 75 Christine songs, Christine actually singing and just a few cringeworthy moments of rumours era Fleetwood Mac songs, it will be great.

But for gods sake keep the Lindsey songs to an absolute minimum! they better not do more then Then Chain,GYOW or shared Christine vocal songs.

[studyinscarlet]

Liked 'The Chain'. I've seen then do that song when Stevie and Lindsey were not with FM and they subbed everyone, so...that's not a point. Loved the new guys. Something more rock n' roll they brought. I liked that.

'Gypsy'? Stevie I love you, but that was pretty bad. Everyone else was pretty good.

I think the set up in the tv studio as far as sound was pretty bad. Stevie got drowned out. Otherwise, I liked it. I've seen variations of FM and this is not a bad one.

[sodascouts]

Well, after watching that, I feel totally validated in my disdain for the "new band."

Finn's voice did not have enough edge and passionate intensity to sell the Chain, but what was really pathetic was Stevie trying to play with him during the song like she did with Lindsey and it falling completely flat. Apparently it never occurred to her that pointing at Neil and singing "if you don't love me now" wouldn't have the same power as when she sung the line to a man who was actually her lover, no matter how much she scrunches up her face and gesticulates in attempts to recreate their dynamic.

Gypsy minus Lindsey's harmony, echo, and guitar was also lame.

Christine looks cute, though. Too bad I couldn't hear her.

[Hawkeye]

I had an idea today that could work well for the new Fleetwood Mac. The band would pick seven or more pre-Lindsey songs that would fit nicely with the new lineup.

For example, Oh Well, Dust, Come A Little Bit Closer, Why, For Your Love, Green Manalishi, Hypnotized, Man of The World, Spare Me A Little of Your Love, and The Way I Feel are some possibilities.

Then have the new lineup record new versions of these songs. Perhaps someone like Mitchell Froom could produce.

In addition, have Neil, Christine, and Stevie each bring in one new song. Could be completely new or simply an unrecorded old song. Record those three songs as well.

Now they'd have a fairly easily to finish new studio album of 10+ songs to release prior to the tour to add some excitement to the upcoming dates.


If you really are Mick or someone around the band,could you pass along that At least 1 person (me) loves that idea. And if you aren’t, I guess I still love it

[bombaysaffires]

It’s the same part Lindsey played on guitar during shows. What Mike did was closer to the original recording.



Christine typically plays chords on the organ during Gypsy. She never played that part.



He absolutely could. That’s a very, very easy part to play. He was just doing something different.




Yes, that's right. Lindsey, the guitar player, played that part on the guitar in concert. Just as he played that part on acoustic guitar on the recording. It is also played on a piano and some percussion by other band members on the recording.

He didn't play it on a keyboard when the band had a keyboard player, or two, onstage either.

You're being contrarian and missing the point.

There are two keyboardists onstage during that song... [one of whom may not actually be playing anything at all though posing behind a keyboard]. One of them played on the original recording. As noted, this is not a musically complex song. It would be entirely possible for said keyboardist to play both the chords on the organ and plonk a few notes on a synthesizer. She didn't.

There is a second keyboardist onstage with a plethora of keyboards which presumably he is playing throughout. Again, not hard for him to plonk those notes, even if he's also the one actually playing the organ.

The act of having Mike do it is just plain weird. Again, stating the obvious, I have no doubt he could play the bit on the guitar, as Lindsey, the guitarist he is replacing, used to do. That was the point.

[nicepace]

Just watched "The Chain." I think the horribly bright, blinking stage lights were used on purpose to make it hard for the audience to see who was on stage. I thought John's solo sounded pretty good. I think I could hear both Stevie and Christine singing during the first couple of phrases before the song starts to get loud, but after that I really couldn't distinguish either of their voices in the murky sound created by too many people on stage. I think Chris may have played a little bit of piano -- I thought I heard a few tinkles on the piano around 1:20 and then again after the 2 minute mark (she did seem to be doing something with her hands during that section), but maybe it was mystery keyboard guy. And who was mystery guitar guy? (standing behind Chris). I didn't realize they were adding THREE guitarists!

The most annoying thing in any FM TV broadcast is how much the camera focuses on Stevie, even when it isn't her song. This has been the case for forty three years, so the fact that they did it on this song is nothing new, but it's still really annoying.

[jbrownsjr]

Just watched "The Chain." I think the horribly bright, blinking stage lights were used on purpose to make it hard for the audience to see who was on stage. I thought John's solo sounded pretty good. I think I could hear both Stevie and Christine singing during the first couple of phrases before the song starts to get loud, but after that I really couldn't distinguish either of their voices in the murky sound created by too many people on stage. I think Chris may have played a little bit of piano -- I thought I heard a few tinkles on the piano around 1:20 and then again after the 2 minute mark (she did seem to be doing something with her hands during that section), but maybe it was mystery keyboard guy. And who was mystery guitar guy? (standing behind Chris). I didn't realize they were adding THREE guitarists!

The most annoying thing in any FM TV broadcast is how much the camera focuses on Stevie, even when it isn't her song. This has been the case for forty three years, so the fact that they did it on this song is nothing new, but it's still really annoying.

Christine was playing electric keyboards during the Chain. I could actually hear her for a change.

[SteveMacD]

I wish someone could actually point to an example of them sounding good on TV going back to 2003. Lindsey blowing Peacekeeper in 2003, the pitchiness in 2014, the bizarre LBCM appearances…


Edit: He blew the intro to GYOW.

[annabellee]

I haven't posted in a long time but felt watching the videos made me want to. Was it awful? Not at all. It was OK. I'd even say it was good despite the technical issues and too many extra musicians on stage. But I have to say watching it made me feel incredibly sad. I know the answer to my own question before I even ask it ($$$) but why are they doing this? Money isn't even a really acceptable answer because how much money could they really need? I'm even over the fact that they're touring without creating something new, because that's pretty much been status quo for well over a decade, but what I really don't understand is why they think it's OK to take something with such a strong legacy that was very good and now offer something that's mediocre with zero chemistry. It's frustrating to try to rationalize it, and watching them today just brought these feelings, which I've read many of us sharing here, straight to the forefront.

I listen to a lot of new music, almost exclusively, and primarily Alt-rock and Indie rock. I enjoy it very much but there's very little in these genres in the way of old school rock n roll like Fleetwood Mac. It's doubtlessly a dying genre. A few bands pop into my head, like The Growlers for example, but otherwise it's difficult to find music of their style being produced today at all because a lot of new rock relies on electronics and not guitar. Also pop music is now mostly hip-hop and rap. So it frustrates me even more that we have an exemplar of a genre, but they're coming across as if they're covering their own songs because there is no enthusiasm and a glaring missing piece of the puzzle. We certainly missed Christine but it was somehow different when her absense was by her choice. Here it feels like we've been robbed. I feel like they're just putting another nail in the coffin of a fading musical genre instead of putting a spark back into it and that really bothers me.

Maybe I'm being pessimistic but like I said, watching the videos primarily made me sad.

This sums up everything I am feeling. I have a ticket and I plan to go, but it is not the Fleetwood Mac I knew and loved. I am a Stevie-apologizer, but I can't take the hand gestures and "hey baby" nonsense. The Rumours five are all responsible for the current state of this band and I can't help but feel this story should have a different ending.

[nicepace]

Just watched "Gypsy." To me it looks like Christine really playing on this song, but maybe she is just pretending and mystery keyboard guy is doing the actual playing. Without evidence of that, I would rather give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that's Chris really playing.

The TV editing was terrible. Mick was making some really cool Mick faces and they never had a closeup on him, not even once. Mostly they just showed Stevie (boring). Poor diva got no voice left, does she? About a 2-note range and even that is pitchy.

Not much energy to the song, either. Altogether, it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it sure doesn't make me want to go see this version of the band.

They really need to ditch the extra musicians. If it was just the core 4 with Mike and Neil it might at least be interesting, the same way a car crash on the other side of the highway grabs your attention. But with all these musicians (and they will undoubtedly have additional backing tracks during the concert tour), the sound is just so muddy it has no life, no zing, no pep.

Honestly, I would rather go see an actual tribute band (there are several good FM tribute bands out there) than see this overblown, overproduced, and underskilled version of a formerly great band.

[Storms123]

Just watched "Gypsy." To me it looks like Christine really playing on this song, but maybe she is just pretending and mystery keyboard guy is doing the actual playing. Without evidence of that, I would rather give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that's Chris really playing.

The TV editing was terrible. Mick was making some really cool Mick faces and they never had a closeup on him, not even once. Mostly they just showed Stevie (boring). Poor diva got no voice left, does she? About a 2-note range and even that is pitchy.

Not much energy to the song, either. Altogether, it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it sure doesn't make me want to go see this version of the band.

They really need to ditch the extra musicians. If it was just the core 4 with Mike and Neil it might at least be interesting, the same way a car crash on the other side of the highway grabs your attention. But with all these musicians (and they will undoubtedly have additional backing tracks during the concert tour), the sound is just so muddy it has no life, no zing, no pep.

Honestly, I would rather go see an actual tribute band (there are several good FM tribute bands out there) than see this overblown, overproduced, and underskilled version of a formerly great band.


Mystery Keyboard guy is the keyboardist from Stevie's solo band, Ricky Peterson

[SteveMacD]

And who was mystery guitar guy? (standing behind Chris). I didn't realize they were adding THREE guitarists!

Neale Heywood. He’s been with Lindsey since 1993 and Fleetwood Mac since 1998.

[Storms123]

Neale Heywood. He’s been with Lindsey since 1993 and Fleetwood Mac since 1998.

Brett Tuggle also played with FM and Lindsey forever. He opted to go with Lindsey. He plays guitar and keyboard and he definitely spotted Christine during OWTS. Had all of this not happened and LB wasn't fired, there would likely be another keyboardist with them. Mike Campbell on the keys is the surprise. Good thing they have 3 now. LOL

[ViscountViktor]

They all look so disinterested. It's a money grabbing tour, end of.

Awful performance, Chris and Stevie were barely miked up. It's just all wrong and a damn shame to end the band like this.

If I was in the US I would not be going.

[SteveMacD]

Brett Tuggle also played with FM and Lindsey forever.

Brett was part of The Zoo in 1992, with Mick and Bekka.

[Steviegirl]

This made me even more sad than I thought it would; additionally, I can't help but feel that they were just phoning this in. I'm heartbroken about Lindsey's firing, but I still expected a little more enthusiasm and energy from the band. With the exception of Mick, they just looked like wax figurines. When Stevie interacted with Neil during "The Chain," it seemed weird and embarrassing. Stevie seemed uncomfortable and unsure of herself. Christine looked beautiful.

[ryan4136]

The sad thing in all this is you know Stevie walked off thinking “Nailed it”

[HomerMcvie]

The sad thing in all this is you know Stevie walked off thinking “Nailed it”

Her entourage ensures that $he thinks nothing but that, about every aspect of her life.

$tevie - "hey guys, I just took a massive dump!"

Oh $tevie, it's beautiful, and smells just like ro$e$!!!!!

$tevie - "Nailed it!"

:lol::lol::lol:

[Street_Dreamer]

Two completely uninspiring and sad performances. It makes me very sad that we're missing out on what could and should have been a beautiful send-off for this band but given it's history, it is kind of fitting. Billy, Bekka and Rick were crapped on for YEARS by fans but at least when they went out and performed Lindsey or Stevie's old songs, they performed them as if they were their own. They had energy and passion. These performances had neither.

[Jondalar]

This performance just made me sad. This is how they ended their careers.

[BombaySapphire3]

Very sad ..the worst version of Gypsy yet .No range whatsoever. While I like Neil in the context of Crowded House ,Split Enz and some of his solo work and with his brother he is just too bland to substitute for Lindsey .It is like watching remakes of "Gangs of New York " or "There Will be Blood " with Zac Efron in the Daniel Day -Lewis roles. Very disappointing way for this band to go out.

[louielouie2000]

Very sad ..the worst version of Gypsy yet .No range whatsoever. While I like Neil in the context of Crowded House ,Split Enz and some of his solo work and with his brother he is just too bland to substitute for Lindsey .It is like watching remakes of "Gangs of New York " or "There Will be Blood " with Zac Efron in the Daniel Day -Lewis roles. Very disappointing way for this band to go out.

This. It’s like the substance has been zapped from the band. The Chain is a song about passion, anger, and stubborn determination- this rendition had none of those emotions. The only word to describe it was just sad. Deeply sad.

Gypsy was less unfortunate to me. Like others have said, it’s never translated to the stage well, and Stevie never seems to have been able to nail the vocal, even back in the early ‘80s. I think her adjusting the vocal here was smart- made it much less cringeworthy. I still find it horribly sad this was the song Stevie purposely chose to sing, though. Of any of her FM songs, Gypsy is the one most closely associated with her musical relationship with Lindsey. It’s the song of hers he was most proud to help develop, and it’s the one song Stevie chose to perform for the new line up’s world debut. No wonder she was grinning the entire time... she stabbed Lindsey in the back and just keeps twisting the blade.

[krrrby]

I thought Neil sounded GREAT. At least he can still sing incredible high notes for his age other than someone else who sounds like Animal from The Muppets.

[TheWildHeart67]

I honestly thought both songs sounded pretty bad.
No harmonies during "The Chain." I could barely hear Stevie and on both songs I couldn't hear Christine at all.
She looks beautiful, but really frail.
She seemed more like a prop. She wasn't highlighted at all! Not even one solo vocal from her.
Hearing Neil singing "The Chain" felt odd.
I thought that was a really bad choice.
Stevie sounded very weak on 'Gypsy."
It seems she has really lost tons of range recently.
She had more range a couple years ago on the "24KG" tour.
I've never heard her sound like this.
No power in her voice.
She looked tired.
It made me really sad.:(
Like she was just going through the motions here.
Mike sounded like Mike. he's a good guitarist. Mick was Mick. He played fine.
I couldn't hear John's bass very well. The audio mix sounded generic and bad.
I don't understand the point of this tour.
They have plenty of money.
They shouldn't go out like this!
I knew it wasn't going to be good, but this is so sad.

[Miss Vicky]

I thought Neil sounded GREAT. At least he can still sing incredible high notes for his age other than someone else who sounds like Animal from The Muppets.

Don't talk bad about Stevie like that! ;)

[dreamsunwind]

I don't know if it was because of the way it was filmed but it felt like watching 'Stevie Nicks and her backup band'.
And Stevie trying to look at Neil during The Chain the same way she used to do with Lindsey but it coming across absolutely awkward was actually kinda funny.

[BlanketMan]

Now the one bright point of these 2 performances was The Chain From
johns solo on. I had the same smirk as Stevie during the guitar solo. It looks and sounds as great as I hoped it would when I first imagined mike Campbell playing with Mick and John. This clearly condensed version of what’s in store for the actual concert has me really excited. Plus I actually thought Neil sounded great on the Running in the Sgadows line. And the harmonieson “The Chain keep us together” actually sounded good.



Agreed. I love LB, but his "RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN!!!" raving at the end of The Chain has just become annoying. Neil stuck with the "Running in the shadows!" line and reminded me how great the fade to this song *should* be... even condensed for TV. Curious to hear how a better mix in a full concert will sound.

[BlanketMan]

I don't know if it was because of the way it was filmed but it felt like watching 'Stevie Nicks and her backup band'.
And Stevie trying to look at Neil during The Chain the same way she used to do with Lindsey but it coming across absolutely awkward was actually kinda funny.

Honestly, those looks between LB/SN have been so scripted and fake over the past umpteen years... they've been awkward and funny for a while. Different level of awkward now with Neil "Do I know you?" Finn on the receiving end, though.

[bombaysaffires]

The backup singers are Sharon and a blonde.....Marilyn? That's not Jana I don't think. No sign of Lori. Is she sitting this one out?

[Sugar Mouse]

Agreed. I love LB, but his "RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN!!!" raving at the end of The Chain has just become annoying. Neil stuck with the "Running in the shadows!" line and reminded me how great the fade to this song *should* be... even condensed for TV. Curious to hear how a better mix in a full concert will sound.

Great pickup. Neil is such a consummate professional. The way he commanded the microphone during his vocals in "The Chain" contrasted with how he respectfully deferred to John during his bass break and to Stevie during Gypsy. Neil definitely looked restrained as I'm sure he's wanting to break in slowly but I know he'll show more energy as time goes on and he feels more and more comfortable taking the lead.

[jbrownsjr]

This sums up everything I am feeling. I have a ticket and I plan to go, but it is not the Fleetwood Mac I knew and loved. I am a Stevie-apologizer, but I can't take the hand gestures and "hey baby" nonsense. The Rumours five are all responsible for the current state of this band and I can't help but feel this story should have a different ending.

You've always come off to me like a fan, not an apologizer. And you don't really get bent out of shape because you have a good sense of humor.

Some of the $tevie worshippers on here are insufferable. You have always been pretty fair.

[bombaysaffires]

Their placement did indeed take me by surprise..as did Christine directly facing the audience rather than her usual more side-on position. But really, what is it with Christine and her ever-diminishing keyboard work? Laziness or arthritis? That we didn't hear her voice much is another niggling worry. She just about got away with it on the last Mac tour with the occasional falsetto and the odd forgivable flub.

.

i wonder if she were more turned sideways as she always was in the past it would just make it far too obvious she's not playing. When she's turned to the front, as she was on the BuckVie tour, it's much harder to see her hands.

[jbrownsjr]

Her entourage ensures that $he thinks nothing but that, about every aspect of her life.

$tevie - "hey guys, I just took a massive dump!"

Oh $tevie, it's beautiful, and smells just like ro$e$!!!!!

$tevie - "Nailed it!"

:lol::lol::lol:

All jokes aside. That pretty much sums up $tevie's life.

[elle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike and Neil are both wonderful artists, but for me it was a sad day watching them both try to fill my husbands shoes. I spent the last 22 years watching Lindsey up there- it was weird for me, can’t imagine how Lindsey felt.</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1037535292285050880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interestingly, this day was also the 45th anniversary of Buckingham Nicks release. Strange day...glad it’s almost over <br>Onwards and upwards now�� <br>Here’s to the future��</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1037535293388206080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[KenshiMaster16]

I still remain optimistic we will get a happy ending with this band before all is said and done. I don't think it will be as far as Lindsey rejoining (again) but maybe a little forgiveness between members and one big giant box set with all surviving members contributing a little something like the 25 Years - The Chain set back in the day?

[Dragon]

I hope Fleetwood Mac XIV is better in future performances than on The Ellen DeGeneres Show. There was no energy. Fleetwood Mac XI would sound better.

[mitzo]

I wish someone could actually point to an example of them sounding good on TV going back to 2003. Lindsey blowing Peacekeeper in 2003, the pitchiness in 2014, the bizarre LBCM appearances…


Edit: He blew the intro to GYOW.

They always embarrass themselves on tv appearances and this was no exception. With or without Lindsey they are deadly on tv.

[snroxman]

I'm hoping today's Ellen performance was just a rough start. The new lineup had to start somewhere.

First Thoughts:
1. Sound Mix - could be better, likely a show issue. As a result, The Chain was "just ok". Stevie's "And Then" (or whatever that was) vocal seemed off due to the sound issue.
2. Christine - She looks great!! I wasn't sure she was playing much, but that's ok.
3. Stevie - She looks good, but was hoping for updated wardrobe and hair choices. Vocals - sounded like no warm ups (?), especially on Gypsy.
4. Neil and Mike - great first showings as members of the band.

[SteveMacD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike and Neil are both wonderful artists, but for me it was a sad day watching them both try to fill my husbands shoes. I spent the last 22 years watching Lindsey up there- it was weird for me, can’t imagine how Lindsey felt.</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1037535292285050880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interestingly, this day was also the 45th anniversary of Buckingham Nicks release. Strange day...glad it’s almost over <br>Onwards and upwards now�� <br>Here’s to the future��</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1037535293388206080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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In other words, it was an interesting day in the Buckingham household.

[button-lip]

This. It’s like the substance has been zapped from the band. The Chain is a song about passion, anger, and stubborn determination- this rendition had none of those emotions. The only word to describe it was just sad. Deeply sad.

Gypsy was less unfortunate to me. Like others have said, it’s never translated to the stage well, and Stevie never seems to have been able to nail the vocal, even back in the early ‘80s. I think her adjusting the vocal here was smart- made it much less cringeworthy. I still find it horribly sad this was the song Stevie purposely chose to sing, though. Of any of her FM songs, Gypsy is the one most closely associated with her musical relationship with Lindsey. It’s the song of hers he was most proud to help develop, and it’s the one song Stevie chose to perform for the new line up’s world debut. No wonder she was grinning the entire time... she stabbed Lindsey in the back and just keeps twisting the blade.

Now I'm glad I haven't watched and never will. Just the fact she was grinning like a f*cking idiot witch makes me hate her even more. :mad:

I thought Neil sounded GREAT. At least he can still sing incredible high notes for his age other than someone else who sounds like Animal from The Muppets.

And what about Stevie? Funny how you bashed everybody here a couple of posts back for "criticizing the band" and now you're doing exactly the same thing with a former band member that shaped the songs your beloved Stevie is destroying now. :shrug:

[DownOnRodeo]

Stevie's "And Then" (or whatever that was) vocal seemed off due to the sound issue.

Yes, it was a big awkward "and then".

Maybe that was their calling card.

:laugh:

The New EP from Fleetwood Mac!
"Conjunctions"
Featuring the new Stevie Nicks penned tracks "Well", "And Then", and "But."

#stayingcreative

[pattyfan]

So we're back
to the daytime
Burbank lot
Back to the song
that we loved
To a band with no grace
and fading powers
Back to the pitchy
song it was.
Before Lindsey,
That it was.

And it all comes down to two
Well you know that we needed
Two new guys
Maybe Neil, maybe Mike
Oh, Ellen does the scripted patter right
And you hear you're pitchy
Hey
You hear you're pitchy
Hey

Still the pitchi-
ness remains
She faces Neil Finn
who asks "Why am I here?"
"I have no idea--
"I only asked for Mike...
"And though I got a Mike
"No the Mike wasn't enough
"Enough for Lindsey's parts
"Enough to.. lol"

Stevie's dancing her way
On Ellen now
She was just off pitch
She was just, off pitch
And the memory of Lindsey who
made this song great
You see you ditched him
Hey
You, Stevie, ditched him
Uh-oh oh.


I don't know you, but I love you. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to sit myself down at my piano this weekend and actually sing this to myself, just because it's so damn clever. YOU ROCK!!!!! I had a really ****ty day (got rear ended bad and the woman drove away so I'm out a grand, stress at work, stress at home) and this was my one respite. It made me laugh out loud. Thanks.

Kevin

[DownOnRodeo]

(does Stevie's prolonged 'outro bow' from the new Gypsy)

got rear ended bad and the woman drove away so I'm out a grand, stress at work, stress at home

You got rear-ended and lost a grand? Sounds like the people who bought tickets to this FM tour!

But what an awful day for you, Kevin. I'm glad you didn't sustain any injuries yourself. It's one thing to be on guard for idiot drivers in front of you, but there's little you can do about the ones that come at you from behind.

Please post your rendition of "Pitchy" to YouTube. :xoxo:

[DownOnRodeo]

https://imgur.com/a/lHi67vd
Mr. Neilson

[bombaysaffires]

Billboard thought their performance on Ellen was "charming". Not sure that's the kind of reaction you look for in a rock band. Or even an adult contemporary band. Charming is for the likes of Justin Bieber. Or Taylor Swift maybe. Not seasoned veterans. :shrug:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8473709/fleetwood-mac-ellen-new-lineup-chain-gypsy

[iamnotafraid]

Stevie looks great dressed in black.

[iamnotafraid]

Love the gloves.

[iamnotafraid]

Best hand dancer in the world.

[Angel75]

SHAME on them for singing The Chain after breaking it. They should’ve done a Christine song.

Shame indeed for singing the Chain, it was an insult.

I MISS LINDSEY

[DownOnRodeo]

Best hand dancer in the world.

Maybe after she's done with AHS, she'll appear in The OA. :lol:

https://media.tenor.com/images/19bca846b8637e4b77d04a4b67ba694f/tenor.gif

[Angel75]

People just don't get it do they?

It's not that Lindsey is gone.

It's that now we see, if there was ever doubt, that the band's integrity (or what was left of it) is totally gone.

It's bad enough to take to the road when the remaining original singers can no longer perform up to par vocally or, it appears with Chris, not even as musicians and they have to have a shadow band playing for them, but then to add two new members of the caliber of Mike Campbell and have them act as stand-ins makes them nothing but an oldies cover band. (Think about how it would be if the Heartbreakers had called in Lindsey to go on the road and sing Tom's songs......gag)

It's sad. It's embarrassing. It poops on whatever credibility they had left.

That's what is upsetting everyone. As mad as I am about the whole LB debacle, part of me would be impressed as hell if SN and CM were up there really knocking it out of the park. Far from it. It's one thing if they're all up there in the Rumours5 lineup sucking together. When they're up there sucking with replacement players, it's just sad.

The rule in showbiz is to go out on top, go out leaving the crowd wanting more. At this rate they'll go out with people saying the last tour should have been the last.

All THIS. Well said.

[mylittledemon]

Here ya go:

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[sue]

After listening and watching the clip again, it struck me.
Yes they would have sounded better with Lindsey, BUT

Just as boring....I’ve heard these songs a thousand times.
Even tho Gypsy is a favourite I am fed up with the same old stuff
At a LIVE concert I know it’s different, different atmosphere etc
But a new song or two is sorely needed.

[justcrazylove]

After listening and watching the clip again, it struck me.
Yes they would have sounded better with Lindsey, BUT

Just as boring....I’ve heard these songs a thousand times.
Even tho Gypsy is a favourite I am fed up with the same old stuff
At a LIVE concert I know it’s different, different atmosphere etc
But a new song or two is sorely needed.

Funny that, apparently there was this bloke named Lindsey Buckingham who had been pushing for new material since 2009...... NM lets fire him and butcher The Chain on an international platform. :mad:

[Macfan4life]

I thought the performances were ok. Not a lot of passion but that is due to their age. I think they are making the same mistake when Rick and Billy were hired. Stop trying to duplicate Lindsey. Put your own licks on the song.
IMHO, it would have been better if Mike blew the audience out of their seats with intense guitar playing. Instead we get a toned down Mike trying to duplicate Lindsey. I understand what they are doing but it would be refreshing to hear something different. Highlight the changes instead of masking them. I may be in the minority on this one. Stevie truly is the front person to this band now. Its like Stevie's Mac now.

[jbrownsjr]

Stevie looks great dressed in black.

For the love of God, style yourself differently... :shocked:

[Storms123]

Billboard thought their performance on Ellen was "charming". Not sure that's the kind of reaction you look for in a rock band. Or even an adult contemporary band. Charming is for the likes of Justin Bieber. Or Taylor Swift maybe. Not seasoned veterans. :shrug:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8473709/fleetwood-mac-ellen-new-lineup-chain-gypsy

My 9 year old nieces chorus concert was “charming”. Wait til I tell her she got the same Billboard review as Fleetwood Mac.

[HomerMcvie]

For the love of God, style yourself differently... :shocked:

She was looking pretty fat to me...

Mama's got some sh*t to hide!:wavey:

[lovethemac1]

She was looking pretty fat to me...

Mama's got some sh*t to hide!:wavey:

She looked like she was going to a funeral, and her smug look may me want to scream.............:mad:

[BlanketMan]

Billboard thought their performance on Ellen was "charming". Not sure that's the kind of reaction you look for in a rock band. Or even an adult contemporary band. Charming is for the likes of Justin Bieber. Or Taylor Swift maybe. Not seasoned veterans. :shrug:

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8473709/fleetwood-mac-ellen-new-lineup-chain-gypsy

It's more of a factual account than a review. We get a few snippets: "...they've still got it...Both guitarists delivered flawless performances on the show, with Finn handling the vocal parts previously sung by Buckingham as naturally as Nicks." Not exactly a ringing endorsement; pretty lightweight stuff. It is Billboard, though, not Rolling Stone.

[jbrownsjr]

She was looking pretty fat to me...

Mama's got some sh*t to hide!:wavey:

Nothing wrong with being heavy at her age. i just think she looks amazing in colors or some sort of style. I'm tired of the old crappy gloves. She looks like she just rolled out of choir practice.

Christine looked absolutely stunning. She's aging in reverse. Now if we can get her to sing and play keyboards...errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr her job that people are paying to see... we'll be fine.

[HomerMcvie]

She looked like she was going to a funeral, and her smug look may me want to scream.............:mad:

I agree. You can clearly see that $he'$ now the bo$$.


Now that it's $tevie's Nick$ FM, F*CK THEM.

[jbrownsjr]

I agree. You can clearly see that $he'$ now the bo$$.


Now that it's $tevie's Nick$ FM, F*CK THEM.

We don't need to, they f'd themselves. We can talk about pitch problems with $tevie, Christine not playing etc...

Bottom line. They are a cover band. Good thing it's their alleged last tour. People won't come back to see that again.

[Hawkeye]

This. It’s like the substance has been zapped from the band. The Chain is a song about passion, anger, and stubborn determination- this rendition had none of those emotions. The only word to describe it was just sad. Deeply sad.

Gypsy was less unfortunate to me. Like others have said, it’s never translated to the stage well, and Stevie never seems to have been able to nail the vocal, even back in the early ‘80s. I think her adjusting the vocal here was smart- made it much less cringeworthy. I still find it horribly sad this was the song Stevie purposely chose to sing, though. Of any of her FM songs, Gypsy is the one most closely associated with her musical relationship with Lindsey. It’s the song of hers he was most proud to help develop, and it’s the one song Stevie chose to perform for the new line up’s world debut. No wonder she was grinning the entire time... she stabbed Lindsey in the back and just keeps twisting the blade.

My exact thoughts on Gypsy. I honestly thought it wasn’t even going to be played on this tour. They’ve left on off 1 or 2 tours in the last 20 years with Lindsey. Gypsy along with Sara are the 2 Stevie songs that show off Lindsey’s production heinous on her songs and they just have a uniquely Lindsey vibe. Not only is it making the set, they’re playing it on TV?

[Feather Blade]

i wonder if she were more turned sideways as she always was in the past it would just make it far too obvious she's not playing. When she's turned to the front, as she was on the BuckVie tour, it's much harder to see her hands.

That was my thought as well.

[HomerMcvie]

Nothing wrong with being heavy at her age. i just think she looks amazing in colors or some sort of style. I'm tired of the old crappy gloves. She looks like she just rolled out of choir practice.

Christine looked absolutely stunning. She's aging in reverse. Now if we can get her to sing and play keyboards...errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr her job that people are paying to see... we'll be fine.

I'm explaining why she was wearing black.

Her last facial work leaves something to be desired. She looks like a cream cheese filled latex glove.


So Christine does look wonderful. But if her voice is shot, why isn't she at least playing? Arthritis is my only guess. Unless it's memory/stage fright(of forgetting the parts) issue.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm explaining why she was wearing black.

Her last facial work leaves something to be desired. She looks like a cream cheese filled latex glove.


So Christine does look wonderful. But if her voice is shot, why isn't she at least playing? Arthritis is my only guess. Unless it's memory/stage fright(of forgetting the parts) issue.

I'm not buying any of this. I think it's just lazy. Artistically lazy. Thank God she wrote songs when she came back or I would fire her in my head.

Still, kudos on those sparkling eyes, and her updated outfit.

[fleetwoodguy79]

Just watched both performances. Was very sad to watch but tried to keep an open mind.

Overall, they sound "generic" to me.

The energy that Lindsey brought is gone. The buildup and guitar solo at the end of "The Chain", as an example; you can tell Lindsey loves that part and gets into it every show. This iteration of the band just feels "meh". Like, the little piano roll coming into the end... really? Felt like a jam band, not this unique and iconic band that we've all grown to love.

Stevie has a massive smile on her face during that performance. It's clear this is what she wanted and is enjoying it; good for her. Both her and Christine look good.

Lindsey's uniqueness is missing in every possible way - his stage persona - his energy - his production - his guitar playing - his "sound" --- all balanced out what this band otherwise has as a generic rock 'n roll sound. And that's the Achilles heel of LB solo and FM without him, they just don't balance each other out at this level without one another.

I'm looking forward to seeing LB on his solo tour next month!

[jbrownsjr]

Just watched both performances. Was very sad to watch but tried to keep an open mind.

Overall, they sound "generic" to me.

The energy that Lindsey brought is gone. The buildup and guitar solo at the end of "The Chain", as an example; you can tell Lindsey loves that part and gets into it every show. This iteration of the band just feels "meh". Like, the little piano roll coming into the end... really? Felt like a jam band, not this unique and iconic band that we've all grown to love.

Stevie has a massive smile on her face during that performance. It's clear this is what she wanted and is enjoying it; good for her. Both her and Christine look good.

Lindsey's uniqueness is missing in every possible way - his stage persona - his energy - his production - his guitar playing - his "sound" --- all balanced out what this band otherwise has as a generic rock 'n roll sound. And that's the Achilles heel of LB solo and FM without him, they just don't balance each other out at this level without one another.

I'm looking forward to seeing LB on his solo tour next month!

It's like: Careful what you wish for.

[aleuzzi]

Christine looked absolutely stunning. She's aging in reverse. Now if we can get her to sing and play keyboards...errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr her job that people are paying to see... we'll be fine.

Yes, she looks great. But man, I am OVER her not singing or playing onstage. She stands there, smiles, lip syncs, even does a few little hand gestures, but that's it.

I don't care if her voice is worn down. Still sing. I'd rather hear her croak than just stand there pretending.

And if she's banging on the keys, why mute them? I'm so disappointed that she resurrected only to be a pale version of herself.

On LB/CM I could hear and appreciate her keyboard parts--the piano on "Game", the organ on "Carnival", the electric piano on "The Way I Feel" and "Red Sun"--that was all her. And her voice, with judicious dusting and autotuning, still sounds great. But she doesn't seem to be able to do live shows anymore.

Do a studio solo album and forget the megamack tours.

[jbrownsjr]

Yes, she looks great. But man, I am OVER her not singing or playing onstage. She stands there, smiles, lip syncs, even does a few little hand gestures, but that's it.

I don't care if her voice is worn down. Still sing. I'd rather hear her croak than just stand there pretending.

And if she's banging on the keys, why mute them? I'm so disappointed that she resurrected only to be a pale version of herself.

On LB/CM I could hear and appreciate her keyboard parts--the piano on "Game", the organ on "Carnival", the electric piano on "The Way I Feel" and "Red Sun"--that was all her. And her voice, with judicious dusting and autotuning, still sounds great. But she doesn't seem to be able to do live shows anymore.

Do a studio solo album and forget the megamack tours.

Watch the Ellen ver of The Chain. I hear her doing some elec. keyboard parts. LIttle trills and what not.

[Storms123]

I hope at some point, their “people” wander over here and read the comments. While the sarcastic comments and pointed remarks are there, the underlying message and reception is there. They need to know, whether they care or not is a different story.

[Sugar Mouse]

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[iamnotafraid]

Maybe after she's done with AHS, she'll appear in The OA. :lol:

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After that performance Netflix will give Stevie her
own show. The Hand Dancer premiers October 31, 2018.

[iamnotafraid]

For the love of God, style yourself differently... :shocked:

No, No. If there's one thing I know about, it's clothing.
And it doesn't get any better than Stevie wearing black.

If only Stevie would wear black more often.

[iamnotafraid]

She was looking pretty fat to me...

Mama's got some sh*t to hide!:wavey:

Alec thought she looked like a vampire two quarts low in her
instagram photo. I say more like a blonde Mother Gothel.

One thing's for sure. She needs to wear more black.

[jbrownsjr]

Mick smirked far more than Stevie did. I hate him.

Maybe he was smirking at $tevie's intonation problems.

[aleuzzi]

Watch the Ellen ver of The Chain. I hear her doing some elec. keyboard parts. LIttle trills and what not.

It ain't enough, honestly.

I mean, I know she's playing something but either she or the band has decided not to mic her parts sufficiently. I'm not sure why.

[ryan4136]

Good thing LB is gone so they can spice up the setlist, with such buried tracks as The Chain and Gypsy.

[ryan4136]

It ain't enough, honestly.

I mean, I know she's playing something but either she or the band has decided not to mic her parts sufficiently. I'm not sure why.

I'm still not sold CM was playing those trills. Extra keyboard guy was often playing two boards at once for certain parts it seemed.

[aleuzzi]

I'm still not sold CM was playing those trills. Extra keyboard guy was often playing two boards at once for certain parts it seemed.

I'm afraid you're probably right.

[jbrownsjr]

It ain't enough, honestly.

I mean, I know she's playing something but either she or the band has decided not to mic her parts sufficiently. I'm not sure why.

I could hear it clearly. Agree it's not enough. She used to handle a lot more.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm still not sold CM was playing those trills. Extra keyboard guy was often playing two boards at once for certain parts it seemed.

Sure sounds like CM to me.

[ryan4136]

Sad that the CM/LB "Don't Stop" on Fallon had way more energy that the full band ensemble had on Ellen.

[bombaysaffires]

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I have no doubt he does.

It's like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family. Suddenly the budgets and the accommodations and everything just got way bigger and more posh. It's always nice when you don't have to worry so much about the price tags on things anymore, and you get escorted to the front of the line:eek:

Let's see how he feels at the end of the tour.

[SteveMacD]

Suddenly the budgets and the accommodations and everything just got way bigger and more posh.

I’m guessing he’s long been financially set for life.

[bombaysaffires]

I hope at some point, their “people” wander over here and read the comments. While the sarcastic comments and pointed remarks are there, the underlying message and reception is there. They need to know, whether they care or not is a different story.

Problem is, even if they did, they'd rationalize it away.

"Oh, that's just a bunch of cranky old fans who don't like change" "Oh they're all just Lindsey fans who hate Stevie" "Haters gonna hate"-- the new rationalization for anyone who legitimately disagrees with your opinion blah blah blah.

Because it's easier to tell yourself that.

In reality, most people who've posted on here watched hoping their favorite band wouldn't embarrass themselves; that they would make up for their sh*tty behavior with some stellar playing that would make everyone forget what they did and remember why they loved them and the music all these years.

Didn't happen.

Instead, this performance was sad and embarrassing. If this band, performing in this way, was a new band making their first tv appearance, there would be a lot of feedback and work being spent afterwards and probably a lot of PR spin to cover up for how bad it was.

Instead a lot of people will forgive the performance because, well, "they're old" or "they were so great back in the day" or "they're legends". That's resting on your laurels and going through the motions for the paycheck.

Stevie would be so much better in smaller, more intimate venues with a different choice of songs that suit her voice now or more 'unplugged' versions of songs or SOMETHING other than big arenas which she can't vocally or physically project in anymore. Singing off key and waving your hands around isn't really all that.

And Chris isn't apparently singing OR playing anymore.

Interestingly no second drummer but then again it was a small tv show. It'll be interesting to see if second drummer (Steve or otherwise) reappears on the road.

At this point, other than John, the rest are as someone said becoming cardboard cutouts who stand up there and mime while the hired hands do all the playing. (And even LB with all his pre recorded tracks is a no-go for me)

How far they have fallen.

[bombaysaffires]

I’m guessing he’s long been financially set for life.

I'm sure he's plenty comfortable.

But travel with the Mac is at a standard far and above, I'd bet my house on it.

The standard is set by Stevie and Mick, who tolerate nothing less than the very best 5 star hotels (eta: the presidential suites of course because "I demand it"), private jets, never carrying a suitcase, etc. Neil doesn't strike me as that hung up on that stuff; nice hotels, yes, but the royal treatment Stevie demands and Mick loves is the next level up for sure. Not hard to get used to I imagine.

eta: How did Chrissie Hynde describe it: "Like traveling with Elizabeth Taylor"

[sodascouts]

Stevie has a massive smile on her face during that performance. It's clear this is what she wanted and is enjoying it; good for her.

Her enjoyment was far more important than the band actually having a quality sound, so no wonder she's smiling. As far as she's concerned, "Mission Accomplished." The band could be in the crapper but she can still dance around the apartment as long as Lindsey's not there.

[dreamsunwind]

For the love of God, style yourself differently... :shocked:

It's weird because she used to wear different things and other colors intentionally so that people wouldn't keep thinking of her as a witch all the time but now she's fully embracing that image again, in black 24/7 and going on AHS for the second time.

[SteveMacD]

It's weird because she used to wear different things and other colors intentionally so that people wouldn't keep thinking of her as a witch all the time but now she's fully embracing that image again, in black 24/7 and going on AHS for the second time.

Credit that to either decreasing levels of religiousity OR increasing levels of buttocks.

[Sugar Mouse]

I have no doubt he does.

It's like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family. Suddenly the budgets and the accommodations and everything just got way bigger and more posh. It's always nice when you don't have to worry so much about the price tags on things anymore, and you get escorted to the front of the line:eek:

Let's see how he feels at the end of the tour.

It's actually nothing like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family.

Neil Finn has an estimated net worth of 30 million American dollars.

Mick Fleetwood has an estimated net worth of 20 million and Stevie is worth about 75 million so Neil is already in the same financial ballpark as the other members of Fleetwood Mac.

Easy to forget just how successful and accomplished Neil Finn has been over the last 40 years dating back to the prime years of Crowded House and Split Enz.

[SteveMacD]

lNeil Finn has an estimated net worth of 30 million American dollars.

Mick Fleetwood has an estimated net worth of 20 million and Stevie is worth about 75 million so Neil is already in the same financial ballpark as the other members of Fleetwood Mac.

Eh, I take those estimates with a thousand pounds of salt. They had a friend of mine listed at being worth $20 million, and he’s not even a millionaire.

[SteveMacD]

Instead, this performance was sad and embarrassing. If this band, performing in this way, was a new band making their first tv appearance, there would be a lot of feedback and work being spent afterwards and probably a lot of PR spin to cover up for how bad it was.

Instead a lot of people will forgive the performance because, well, "they're old" or "they were so great back in the day" or "they're legends". That's resting on your laurels and going through the motions for the paycheck.

Gee, when LBCM failed to blow the doors off the joint on their first TV appearance (and, really, the subsequent appearances), this place seemed a bit more forgiving.

[Sugar Mouse]

Eh, I take those estimates with a thousand pounds of salt. They had a friend of mine listed at being worth $20 million, and he’s not even a millionaire.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/neil-finn-net-worth/

Can't comment on your friend but 30 million sounds about right for Neil. "Don't Dream It's Over" probably alone generates close to a million a year in royalties (as an example Sting recently said that he makes close to a million dollars a year in royalties from "Every Breath You Take") and Crowded House sold about 12 million albums thus far and had a bunch of big tours. And that doesn't include Split Enz and all of Neil's movie soundtrack deals.

[Sugar Mouse]

The band just announced a 3rd night at The Forum in Los Angeles in December. I guess ticket sales are strong, at least in California.

[SteveMacD]

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/neil-finn-net-worth/

Can't comment on your friend but 30 million sounds about right for Neil. "Don't Dream It's Over" probably alone generates close to a million a year in royalties (as an example Sting recently said that he makes close to a million dollars a year in royalties from "Every Breath You Take") and Crowded House sold about 12 million albums thus far and had a bunch of big tours. And that doesn't include Split Enz and all of Neil's movie soundtrack deals.

The rate for songwriting royalties right now is nine cents per song. If he sold 12 million albums by TODAY’S rate, assuming he was the lone writer, and I believe writers get paid for 12 songs max per album (don’t quote me on that), he’d be worth $12.96 million. Not bad, but not $30 million.

[bwboy]

I wonder if this board could make a separate category for people to post in? How about "People who hate Fleetwood Mac?" That way, all the people who hate FM could post how much they hate FM there. And the people who like FM and their music could post here, on what is a FM fan board. Don't get me wrong, I believe in free speech, it just gets old to see posts by people who hate FM on a FM fan board. By providing a separate board for the people who hate the band, including one of the moderators, everybody would be happy.

[jedw]

First post in many years for this..

Yeah so this performance was just boring..

"Fleetwood Stevie and the Crowded Housebreakers" were okay, but this isn't really Fleetwood Mac, not now, not after so many years.

Campbell's guitar solo in The Chain was lacking, and Finn's vocals while mostly okay his pronunciation of the words 'never' and 'love' ('lurve') grate with me.

As for the performance of Gypsy, I love Stevie Nicks, and I love the song Gypsy. This performance sounded tired though. Such is the way with old artists and performers. Stevie is 70; she looks good, and sounds okay, that's about all I can say.

Don't think I'd be too keen to pay money to see this band.:(

[mitzo]

Gee, when LBCM failed to blow the doors off the joint on their first TV appearance (and, really, the subsequent appearances), this place seemed a bit more forgiving.

Yes but Lindsey was there!!!!

[Sugar Mouse]

I'm sure he's plenty comfortable.

But travel with the Mac is at a standard far and above, I'd bet my house on it.

The standard is set by Stevie and Mick, who tolerate nothing less than the very best 5 star hotels (eta: the presidential suites of course because "I demand it"), private jets, never carrying a suitcase, etc. Neil doesn't strike me as that hung up on that stuff; nice hotels, yes, but the royal treatment Stevie demands and Mick loves is the next level up for sure. Not hard to get used to I imagine.

eta: How did Chrissie Hynde describe it: "Like traveling with Elizabeth Taylor"

I agree that Stevie/Mick require a much higher level of hotel/travel etc. than Neil does. Neil is a very low maintenance guy; sort of an old-fashioned musician/artist who cares more about the craft then the amenities.

That being said, I'm sure that Neil is worth close to as much as Mick or John given all the royalties Neil gets and the lower cost of living that he's enjoyed (those fancy jets and hotels don't come cheap). "Don't Dream", "Song of The Lonely Mountain", "Something So Strong", and "I Got You" combined probably bring in close to 2 million a year in royalties.

[Sugar Mouse]

The rate for songwriting royalties right now is nine cents per song. If he sold 12 million albums by TODAY’S rate, assuming he was the lone writer, and I believe writers get paid for 12 songs max per album (don’t quote me on that), he’d be worth $12.96 million. Not bad, but not $30 million.

Huh? There is no standard songwriting royalty per song. It's based on a ton of factors such as sales, plays, streams, movie features, etc. A song like "Don't Dream It's Over" is used everywhere and songs like that generate somewhere between 500,000 to a million per year. Then you add in his other big hits like Something So Strong, Song of The Lonely Mountain, I Got You, etc. He's the sole songwriter in most of his songs as well meaning that gets all the royalties on those songs and doesn't have to share with co-writers. That's separate from the 12 million album sales that Crowded House has had plus his album sales from Split Enz, Finn Brothers, solo albums, etc. Then you add in all the tours and the revenue he gets from having a very active recording studio that he rents out to musicians and you get about 30 million in total net worth.

[lovethemac1]

Huh? There is no standard songwriting royalty per song. It's based on a ton of factors such as sales, plays, streams, movie features, etc. A song like "Don't Dream It's Over" is used everywhere and songs like that generate somewhere between 500,000 to a million per year. Then you add in his other big hits like Something So Strong, Song of The Lonely Mountain, I Got You, etc. He's the sole songwriter in most of his songs as well meaning that gets all the royalties on those songs and doesn't have to share with co-writers. That's separate from the 12 million album sales that Crowded House has had plus his album sales from Split Enz, Finn Brothers, solo albums, etc. Then you add in all the tours and the revenue he gets from having a very active recording studio that he rents out to musicians and you get about 30 million in total net worth.

SugarMouse, are you a member of a Crowded House/Split Enz/Neil Finn/Finn Family fan site?

[SteveMacD]

SugarMouse, are you a member of a Crowded House/Split Enz/Neil Finn/Finn Family fan site?

I’m not, but I have gone on record as saying DDIO was the best pop song of the ‘80s (YEARS ago), and “Persuasion” is a top-5 Richard Thompson song.

[g. fish]

Yesterday's performance shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Lindsey has been carrying the band on his back for the last two decades. His energy and charisma was so valuable to this band.

I really thought that Neil's voice would sound a bit closer to Lindsey. As a lead singer, Neil is not a good fit for large arena shows. He's a low key, easy going kind of guy. No way he can bring the same level of energy as Lindsey. It's not in his DNA.

I think the world of Christine. But she's five years older than Lindsey and Stevie. She looks great, but she's really frail. It was so evident on the Buck Vie tour.

So now Stevie is the leader of the band. Okay, so she has no range anymore. No big deal, everyone loves Stevie. Just ask her. Really, she has become so self centered. Have you ever heard anyone talk as much about ME and I. Her speech at Music Cares was an embarrassment. I used to be a Stevie fan. Then I realized how shallow and self centered she has become. And frankly, I don't think she's very intelligent spewing lies and constantly contradicting herself.

Looking forward to Lindsey's tour. First time ever that I will miss a FM concert...and I've seen them eleven times. No more.

[Sugar Mouse]

I’m not, but I have gone on record as saying DDIO was the best pop song of the ‘80s (YEARS ago), and “Persuasion” is a top-5 Richard Thompson song.

Agree about "Don't Dream It's Over". For me, it was also the best pop song of the 80's. It's one of those songs that carries such emotional weight and has that unforgettable melody. I would also say that "I Got You" was one of the best pop songs of the 80's. It's such a killer song when Neil and Tim perform it together. Persuasion is actually a Tim Finn song and not a Neil song.

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[bombaysaffires]

I don't know about anyone else, but I commented on the vocals on the BuckVie performances being off. I even posted in almost real-time when I saw them live and commented on how off many of the vocals were. I also posted about the pre recorded tracks which I do not like :shrug:

But apparently I'm now part of the Lindsey can do no wrong and I hate FM crowd. :lol:

One thing BuckVie shows had was an INCREDIBLE energy. Granted they started slow with that acoustic mini set (which I thought was a bad idea) but it was a barnburner once they got going. I will also add the energy of the two of them on Fallon was lovely.

It will be interesting to see what the energy level is for the rest of the FM appearances and on the tour.

[Sugar Mouse]

I don't know about anyone else, but I commented on the vocals on the BuckVie performances being off. I even posted in almost real-time when I saw them live and commented on how off many of the vocals were. I also posted about the pre recorded tracks which I do not like :shrug:

But apparently I'm now part of the Lindsey can do no wrong and I hate FM crowd. :lol:

One thing BuckVie shows had was an INCREDIBLE energy. Granted they started slow with that acoustic mini set (which I thought was a bad idea) but it was a barnburner once they got going. I will also add the energy of the two of them on Fallon was lovely.

It will be interesting to see what the energy level is for the rest of the FM appearances and on the tour.

I really think the energy level will improve as Neil and Mike become more comfortable and acclimated to the Mac environment. Neil will never bring Lindsey level energy but it will be fine. And Neil's vocals bring far more harmony richness to the vocal blend than the band has had since the Danny Kirwan years.

[SteveMacD]

Persuasion is actually a Tim Finn song and not a Neil song.

I know. The question was if you were on a fanpage/forum for “Crowded House/Split Enz/Neil Finn/Finn Family.” Last I checked, Tim was part of the Finn family.

[Mr Scarrott]

I have to admit that I initially feared that Christine wasn't playing the keyboard at all, but miming. Having had another quick look at the footage,
she is clearly putting her foot on the sustain pedal at certain points. She wouldn't bother to do that, I would think, if she was faking it. I do think that the "backing" keyboardist is doing the heavy lifting, though.

But doesn't she look great?

The other thing I will admit to is that I always enjoy watching Mick playing. Whatever his faults, personal or musical, he's clearly in his element.

[sasja]

Cringe-worthy.

Oh well.

At least they have amazing hair technicians.

[button-lip]

I really think the energy level will improve as Neil and Mike become more comfortable and acclimated to the Mac environment. Neil will never bring Lindsey level energy but it will be fine. And Neil's vocals bring far more harmony richness to the vocal blend than the band has had since the Danny Kirwan years.

That's the problem here. He will never bring the amount of energy Lindsey had on stage, and that's the main complaint I read yesterdady. He can be Pavarotti (which he isn't) and he still won't have the amount of energy and chemistry with the rest of the band that Lindsey had.

[elle]

I really think the energy level will improve as Neil and Mike become more comfortable and acclimated to the Mac environment. Neil will never bring Lindsey level energy but it will be fine. And Neil's vocals bring far more harmony richness to the vocal blend than the band has had since the Danny Kirwan years.

have you watched any of those 100s of Neil vids you sprinkled all over these boards? the guy doesn't do energy. :p:lol:

[Storms123]

As I said in another post...."Fine" is fine for the Mohegan Sun arena. "Fine" is NO BUENO at the Forum or MSG

[SteveMacD]

That's the problem here. He will never bring the amount of energy Lindsey had on stage,
And Lindsey didn’t bring the energy or showmanship of Jeremy Spencer or Bob Welch, and Rick Vito jumped all around (to the point where people later talked about how annoying it was).

[elle]

And Lindsey didn’t bring the energy or showmanship of Jeremy Spencer or Bob Welch, and Rick Vito jumped all around (to the point where people later talked about how annoying it was).

you do know these people left, right? like - there was NO FM at those different points. so they brought in new people. there was no comparisons, because comparisons were either new guys or nothing.

as you well know, but keep arguing anyway for whatever reason, that was not the case this time around. if anything, this time the comparison was 4 without Stevie or 4 without Lindsey. 4 without Stevie they could have pulled off really nicely, without having to add anyone new, as again you yourself argued countless times. it could have been fantastic - and we would probably have another new FM album within a year! we could hear Carnival Begin and On With the Show with Mick and John on FM tour this year. 4 without Lindsey? apparently they needed 2 new guys. again.

EDIT: well, Vito didn't leave.

[button-lip]

As I said in another post...."Fine" is fine for the Mohegan Sun arena. "Fine" is NO BUENO at the Forum or MSG

That’s clearly my point. Lindsey fills arenas with the Mac. You need a special kind of energy to do that.

[DownOnRodeo]

and Rick Vito jumped all around (to the point where people later talked about how annoying it was.

Maybe Rick kept jumping every time he glanced over and saw Klonopin Stevie.



Here is an Ellen performance to cleanse the palette. Enjoy!

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[Frankenstein]

More than anything, I was left feeling sad for Finn and Campbell. Both are very talented artists but they just don’t mesh with Fleetwood Mac. They deserve better than this mess.

[Sugar Mouse]

have you watched any of those 100s of Neil vids you sprinkled all over these boards? the guy doesn't do energy. :p:lol:

Neil will never be Lindsey in terms of energy - that's true. However, Neil adds elements that Lindsey doesn't in terms of harmony vocals and his ability to create a fun, positive musical environment. Anyone who's seen Crowded House or Split Enz has seen what I'm talking about.

To see Neil in action, check out the documentary "The Sun Came Out". It's free on Amazon Prime Video right now. In 2008, Neil invited members of Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Wilco, The Smiths and some other bands to spend a few weeks at his studio in New Zealand writing brand new songs and recording them. Neil produced the album and the documentary shows how Neil lead the musicians through creating a brand new studio album from scratch. Amazing stuff ...

https://www.amazon.com/Sun-Came-Out-Neil-Finn/dp/B007T2LLWI

[elle]

Maybe Rick kept jumping every time he glanced over and saw Klonopin Stevie.



Here is an Ellen performance to cleanse the pallet. Enjoy!

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awwwww - thank you! :xoxo:

and - we will get RODEO!!!!!!!

#CanYouHearMeAnnie?

[elle]

Judd's 0.02 on Ellen performance (this was just before Lindsey's tweet storm today, funnily enough!) -

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That was rough. The magic of Fleetwood Mac is that the people performing are often singing intense songs about each other. Without Lindsey that magic is gone. It’s a cover band. And Lindsey’s guitar sound and voice cannot be duplicated even by great people. <a href="https://t.co/IlBggljD2O">https://t.co/IlBggljD2O</a></p>&mdash; Judd Apatow (@JuddApatow) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuddApatow/status/1037781876037931008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[BigAl84]

It's actually nothing like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family.

Neil Finn has an estimated net worth of 30 million American dollars.

Mick Fleetwood has an estimated net worth of 20 million and Stevie is worth about 75 million so Neil is already in the same financial ballpark as the other members of Fleetwood Mac.

Easy to forget just how successful and accomplished Neil Finn has been over the last 40 years dating back to the prime years of Crowded House and Split Enz.

I have to hand it to you. You know how to lay it on thicker than Martha Stewart and a tub of buttercream icing. I mean it's never ending. The Kellyanne Conway of the Neil Finn team.

[SteveMacD]

you do know these people left, right? like - there was NO FM at those different points. so they brought in new people. there was no comparisons, because comparisons were either new guys or nothing.

So, then…it’s okay to half-ass it relative to your predecessor based on how he parted ways with the band? :shrug:

Shouldn’t Lindsey have rocked out on “Spare Me A Little” since Danny got fired?

as you well know, but keep arguing anyway for whatever reason, that was not the case this time around. if anything, this time the comparison was 4 without Stevie or 4 without Lindsey. 4 without Stevie they could have pulled off really nicely, without having to add anyone new, as again you yourself argued countless times.

Still haven’t changed my sig pic. That would have been my personal preference, but I also accepted that there won’t be FM without Stevie last year with LBCM. The band is in good hands, and yesterday didn’t sway me either way.

it could have been fantastic - and we would probably have another new FM album within a year! we could hear Carnival Begin and On With the Show with Mick and John on FM tour this year. 4 without Lindsey?

Again, I don’t disagree. But, that was decided in 2017, and Stevie’s made it clear she won’t make another album with Lindsey.

EDIT: well, Vito didn't leave.

Yes he did. On his own free will.

[SteveMacD]

Maybe Rick kept jumping every time he glanced over and saw Klonopin Stevie.

:lol:

Please, he more than anyone was owned by Stevie! Two co-writes on BTM, one on the box, his first solo album was on Modern and featured her on two songs, and he was in her 1994 band.

[Storms123]

This, in my opinion, deserves to be said, and I know many of us have said it, regardless of what combo or faction of this band we are behind....this is not about the musical ability of Mike and Neil. Both are fine fine talented musicians. Its about the construct they are working in within this band.

[DownOnRodeo]

Just watching Lindsey's performance of "Shut Us Down" on Ellen again.
Interesting to contrast and compare with the new lineup's performance:

Lindsey: He starts singing cold open even before the first note is played. That takes balls, because you can't be sure you're singing right on key!
Stevie & the Pretenders: Stevie and Christine aren't singing (audibly) on the first song at all--except for "AND THEN!" :lol:

Lindsey: Virtuoso guitar arrangement and performance.
Stevie & the Pretenders: Mike plays a few notes on his guitar and a keyboard--wtf?

Lindsey: Gives away to each audience member one free copy of his album of new songs.
Stevie & the Pretenders: Gives away to each audience member two tickets to their classic hits concert.

Also interesting: Neale Heywood is the only person to appear in both performances.

[petep9000]

I think Stevie’s had fillers. Her cheeks are starting to look chipmunky.
I mean, it’s the most common thing in the entertainment biz so why shouldn’t she? As long as she doesn’t become Kim Novak or Madonna.

[DownOnRodeo]

I think Stevie’s had fillers. Her cheeks are starting to look chipmunky.
I mean, it’s the most common thing in the entertainment biz so why shouldn’t she? As long as she doesn’t become Kim Novak or Madonna.

You should see Cher in the Mamma Mia sequel.
(Actually, do your best not to.)

[elle]

You should see Cher in the Mamma Mia sequel.
(Actually, do your best not to.)

true. the difference is - Cher fully admits it and has for decades. Stevie insists she's just staying out of the sun. ;)

[SteveMacD]

true. the difference is - Cher fully admits it and has for decades. Stevie insists she's just staying out of the sun. ;)

Good vampire that she is.

[lovethemac1]

I have to hand it to you. You know how to lay it on thicker than Martha Stewart and a tub of buttercream icing. I mean it's never ending. The Kellyanne Conway of the Neil Finn team.

Never ever ever ending, you are so correct.

Sugar Mouse never did answer my question about whether he/she is a member of fan sites for Neil Finn!!!! Or Crowded House, Split Enz, Finn family, etc.

[Sugar Mouse]

I have to hand it to you. You know how to lay it on thicker than Martha Stewart and a tub of buttercream icing. I mean it's never ending. The Kellyanne Conway of the Neil Finn team.

Thanks. I've been called a lot of things on this forum but being called Kellyanne Conway beats them all. Kudos ...

And hey I'll correct any foolish, erroneous posts that I see here and I was correcting bombaysaffires who wrote that Neil joining FM is "like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family".

Of course, it's nothing like that as Neil is already in the same financial stratosphere as the FM members and is worth about twice what Mick Fleetwood is worth.

It's a huge honor for Neil to join such a great band as FM but it's also a huge honor for FM to land an elite, talented, and successful musician as Neil.

I know that losing Lindsey is a big loss and many of you are grieving the loss, but perhaps some of you can step back and realize just how lucky the band is to bring in Neil and Mike.

[iamnotafraid]

I've been called a lot of things on this forum but being called Kellyanne Conway beats them all. Kudos ...



You must be on the winning side if you're compared to
Kellyanne Conway.

___________________________________________

Wonder what color wardrobe Stevie will be wearing
this tour?

[BigAl84]

I know that losing Lindsey is a big loss and many of you are grieving the loss, but perhaps some of you can step back and realize just how lucky the band is to bring in Neil and Mike.

Oh barf. You must like hearing yourself talk.

[Angel75]

Nothing wrong with being heavy at her age. i just think she looks amazing in colors or some sort of style. I'm tired of the old crappy gloves. She looks like she just rolled out of choir practice.

Christine looked absolutely stunning. She's aging in reverse. Now if we can get her to sing and play keyboards...errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr her job that people are paying to see... we'll be fine.

Exactly, her weight is totally irrelevant....why would that even be mentioned :distress:

[BigAl84]

Wait, wait. Sugar Mouse...surely you can enlighten us on these Neil Finn details:

Chobani or Yoplait for breakfast?
Everything bagel or blueberry muffin?
Crest or Colgate?
Peel and stick envelopes or lickable?
Big Mac or Whopper?

[iamnotafraid]

Exactly, her weight is totally irrelevant....why would that even be mentioned :distress:


Do you really believe that's true?

Before anyone else chimes in, please really
think about the question and answer honestly.

[BigAl84]

Q. How many guitar players does it take to play the solo in gypsy?
A. Apparently a lot because two still couldn't pull it off.

Doh!

[Angel75]

I’m not, but I have gone on record as saying DDIO was the best pop song of the ‘80s (YEARS ago), and “Persuasion” is a top-5 Richard Thompson song.

Even though Persuasion is a TIM FINN song? :shrug::shrug:

And the Finn family part you mentioned is totally irrelevant, the brothers solo careers are completely separate. It's like saying Stevie and Lindsey's solo careers are linked.....uuuummmm. no.

But back to the point, Neil is incredibly wealthy and not a spender there is no point denying that part. Mick however I very much doubt and am actually certain has very few dollars in the bank to rub together

[Angel75]

That's the problem here. He will never bring the amount of energy Lindsey had on stage, and that's the main complaint I read yesterdady. He can be Pavarotti (which he isn't) and he still won't have the amount of energy and chemistry with the rest of the band that Lindsey had.

Absolutely, he will never have the same energy or stage performance. They are totally different. Neil is chilled, Lindsey is not

[dreamsunwind]

I think Stevie’s had fillers. Her cheeks are starting to look chipmunky.
I mean, it’s the most common thing in the entertainment biz so why shouldn’t she? As long as she doesn’t become Kim Novak or Madonna.

Oh I'm positive she's had fillers. No doubt about it in my mind. And there's nothing wrong with that but yeah, her skin definitely isn't the result of solely La Mer and sleeping until 3 pm.

[SteveMacD]

Q. How many guitar players does it take to play the solo in gypsy?
A. Apparently a lot because two still couldn't pull it off.

So true…

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[SteveMacD]

Even though Persuasion is a TIM FINN song? :shrug::shrug:

My initial reply was in answer to this post…

SugarMouse, are you a member of a Crowded House/Split Enz/Neil Finn/Finn Family fan site?

And the Finn family part you mentioned is totally irrelevant,

It was literally mentioned in the post I replied to.

[DownOnRodeo]

So true…

2014 Today show performance of Gypsy


Now that was a good performance.
So much for Gypsy being no good live or FM always flailing on TV.

[SteveMacD]

Now that was a good performance.
So much for Gypsy being no good live or FM always flailing on TV.

Still didn’t have the solo…

[Macfan4life]

One thing that has not been mentioned yet is Ellen's comments. She mentioned at least 3 times "They sound so good" "Boy they really sound good" "Don't you agree, they really sounded good"
Maybe because I am trained in statement analysis but it seems Ellen is providing cover to the band as if everyone expected the band to sound bad with new members?
Lots of bands perform on Ellen. Does she say 3 times after they perform how good they sound and then ask the audience the same thing?
I am probably in the minority again but I just thought that was strange. Its just sad that the band needs a prop up from Ellen because of new members :(

[DownOnRodeo]

I am probably in the minority again but I just thought that was strange. Its just sad that the band needs a prop up from Ellen because of new members :(

No, it's not just you. I was going to include exactly this in my "contrast and compare" post above but forgot.

Lindsey (performing Shut Us Down on Ellen): Ellen gives him genuine praise at the end, ie "That was really good," said direct to him with a non-stagey voice.
Stevie Nicks & Her Pretenders on Ellen: The way Ellen gives her praise is patronising or "kind." Like a local kids' talent show.

I'm not having a dig at Ellen, btw (nor is Macfan4life I assume). She had her brief and played it perfectly. "This poor band is struggling to get on the their feet, and need all the positive encouragement they can get."

[button-lip]

Thanks. I've been called a lot of things on this forum but being called Kellyanne Conway beats them all. Kudos ...

And hey I'll correct any foolish, erroneous posts that I see here and I was correcting bombaysaffires who wrote that Neil joining FM is "like Meghan Markle marrying into the royal family".

Of course, it's nothing like that as Neil is already in the same financial stratosphere as the FM members and is worth about twice what Mick Fleetwood is worth.

It's a huge honor for Neil to join such a great band as FM but it's also a huge honor for FM to land an elite, talented, and successful musician as Neil.

I know that losing Lindsey is a big loss and many of you are grieving the loss, but perhaps some of you can step back and realize just how lucky the band is to bring in Neil and Mike.

Yeah, I’m sure it’s a big honor for Neil to step into the shoes of a musician that was fired. I’m sure he’s so pleased to deal with angry LB fans everyday on social media. The guy probably can’t wait to get out of this mess and go on with his solo career.

How’s the band lucky? You’re lucky when you succeed in front of an unexpected situation. There wasn’t any unexpected here. This has been planned for months. So, no, they weren’t lucky. Not this time.

[BLY]

One thing that has not been mentioned yet is Ellen's comments. She mentioned at least 3 times "They sound so good" "Boy they really sound good" "Don't you agree, they really sounded good"
Maybe because I am trained in statement analysis but it seems Ellen is providing cover to the band as if everyone expected the band to sound bad with new members?
Lots of bands perform on Ellen. Does she say 3 times after they perform how good they sound and then ask the audience the same thing?
I am probably in the minority again but I just thought that was strange. Its just sad that the band needs a prop up from Ellen because of new members :(


I thought the same thing. I felt it was specifically due to the introduction of the new lineup.

[BigAl84]

Still didn’t have the solo…

and it was still played better overall.

[Keith]

finally watched the Ellen Show clips of the band. Hmmm...

"The Chain" was ok, but needed the microphones of both Stevie and Christine's turned up. I'm really not of fan of Neil Finn's voice here - nothing against the talented dude, but he's not Lindsey and I think the band should stay away from doing Lindsey's songs on the tour. I really liked Mike Campbell's playing - not comparing him to Lindsey because there isn't any in the context of Fleetwood Mac.

For me, "Gypsy" live will never be able to duplicate the beautiful studio version and Stevie did sound a bit rough here. In honesty, this song needs to be pared down and be done like the live version from the 2000 Arizona Heart Institute Benefit (my favorite live version of "Gypsy" by far - it's so beautiful). But then again Lindsey did play on that song so maybe skip this one also on the upcoming tour.

At least the live audience at the Ellen show seemed to be enjoying the new version of "Fleetwood Mac." I just don't know.. yet.

Still my favorite band - always and forever.

[jbrownsjr]

true. the difference is - Cher fully admits it and has for decades. Stevie insists she's just staying out of the sun. ;)

hahaha!! :xoxo:

[jmn3]

I'm sorry but this just wasn't good. It also wasn't terrible, but it lacked something bigger than just Lindsey, it lacked chemistry. It seems forced and not particularly fun for anyone other than Mick who always looks like he's possessed.

Song Choices - Really, I mean, I feel this was a major middle finger to Lindsey. You have your inaugural performance with The Chain? The one song that all five of them have a songwriting credit one. A song that literally says not to break the chain? And then you go full throttle with that middle finger and play the Stevie song that Lindsey is on record as saying one of his proudest works with her? How on Earth were these the choices? Why the hell wasn't a Christine song done?

Vocals - Stevie doesn't, to my ears, sound much worse than how she's sounded for years. Her Gypsy vocal has been bland af for a long time now..."and it lights up the night" is where the energy just falls flat on it's face and the song never recovers. Is Christine's mic even on? And Neill just doesn't have the sound for this band. Shades of Billy Burnette all over again. He's a fine singer and services the song well enough, but it came across bland bland bland.

Music - These guys are all professionals with decades upon decades of experience amongst them. The music sounded fine. The sound was bad but I'd assume that's a result of the TV show vs. their choice to have John's bass solo barely audible. Campbell's guitar skills can't be questioned and clearly the reason the Gypsy solo wasn't played was because they had x amount of time for a TV show. I mean, it's the Ellen show not The Forum. I would expect in concert he would do something with the solo. But what I can't fathom is him playing that stupid piano part? I don't care that it was played on the album similarly, it sounded and looked ridiculous. Play it on the guitar man! And why on Earth is he playing it with two other keyboard players right there?

Christine - Chris took quite possibly the worst 16 years off that she could have ever picked. Her skills from a live perspective have been questionable ever since she came back. I love this woman and felt that the band sorely missed her on the Say You Will album and tour and the two greatest hits tours that followed. I was so pumped at the beginning of You Make Loving Fun in 2014 - she was back! But it was clear then that she wasn't the same. Her vocals are not good and I'm not sure where exactly she's playing anymore. The BuckVie shows exemplified this and then this Ellen performance showed more of the same. I'm sorry, but Chris and Stevie needed to be in full kick ass mode in order for this to work.

Overall, this made me sad. I am still appalled that Lindsey was fired. I have never been a so-called "Lindsey lover" at all. I love the BAND and felt that all 5 of them made each other better. To get to this stage of their career (the end-stage) and pivot to whatever the hell it is that they've become, is just embarrassing. It's like Jagger kicking out Richards at 75. Keith's been pissing Mick off and flubbing solos and playing ridiculously wrong notes for years but the Stones are the Stones still. This Fleetwood Mac looked old and tired. For a new band I would have expected a kick ass performance where they showed some ability beyond being able to somewhat parrot the same songs and arrangements that they've been delivering for 20 years. I don't care that they're in their 70's - you want to make that bold move that you did in firing Lindsey Buckingham, you better bring your A-game to generate interest and prove that you didn't need the man. All I saw here was an advertisement for a cash grab hits tour. "Hey look we're gonna play the songs you love, gonna start with The Chain too! And mama's still here front and center, waving fingers and throwing odd vocal phrasings into the mix...we're the same as before...come see us!!"

[ryan4136]

It's clear that at least Mick and Stevie, if not the whole lot, wanted another cash grab tour. It's becoming clear that LB wanted something different. So he was sent packing, and the cash grab reboot was created.

[Storms123]

It's clear that at least Mick and Stevie, if not the whole lot, wanted another cash grab tour. It's becoming clear that LB wanted something different. So he was sent packing, and the cash grab reboot was created.

I think they will be grabbing a hell of a lot less cash this go around!:laugh: He may not have wanted to miss this outing, but ummm, good miss Lindsey.

[SteveMacD]

and it was still played better overall.

As it should have been. They recorded it and played it live many times. They were also already on tour when they did that show.

[Buster]

I'm sorry but this just wasn't good. It also wasn't terrible, but it lacked something bigger than just Lindsey, it lacked chemistry. It seems forced and not particularly fun for anyone other than Mick who always looks like he's possessed.

Song Choices - Really, I mean, I feel this was a major middle finger to Lindsey. You have your inaugural performance with The Chain? The one song that all five of them have a songwriting credit one. A song that literally says not to break the chain? And then you go full throttle with that middle finger and play the Stevie song that Lindsey is on record as saying one of his proudest works with her? How on Earth were these the choices? Why the hell wasn't a Christine song done?

Vocals - Stevie doesn't, to my ears, sound much worse than how she's sounded for years. Her Gypsy vocal has been bland af for a long time now..."and it lights up the night" is where the energy just falls flat on it's face and the song never recovers. Is Christine's mic even on? And Neill just doesn't have the sound for this band. Shades of Billy Burnette all over again. He's a fine singer and services the song well enough, but it came across bland bland bland.

Music - These guys are all professionals with decades upon decades of experience amongst them. The music sounded fine. The sound was bad but I'd assume that's a result of the TV show vs. their choice to have John's bass solo barely audible. Campbell's guitar skills can't be questioned and clearly the reason the Gypsy solo wasn't played was because they had x amount of time for a TV show. I mean, it's the Ellen show not The Forum. I would expect in concert he would do something with the solo. But what I can't fathom is him playing that stupid piano part? I don't care that it was played on the album similarly, it sounded and looked ridiculous. Play it on the guitar man! And why on Earth is he playing it with two other keyboard players right there?

Christine - Chris took quite possibly the worst 16 years off that she could have ever picked. Her skills from a live perspective have been questionable ever since she came back. I love this woman and felt that the band sorely missed her on the Say You Will album and tour and the two greatest hits tours that followed. I was so pumped at the beginning of You Make Loving Fun in 2014 - she was back! But it was clear then that she wasn't the same. Her vocals are not good and I'm not sure where exactly she's playing anymore. The BuckVie shows exemplified this and then this Ellen performance showed more of the same. I'm sorry, but Chris and Stevie needed to be in full kick ass mode in order for this to work.

Overall, this made me sad. I am still appalled that Lindsey was fired. I have never been a so-called "Lindsey lover" at all. I love the BAND and felt that all 5 of them made each other better. To get to this stage of their career (the end-stage) and pivot to whatever the hell it is that they've become, is just embarrassing. It's like Jagger kicking out Richards at 75. Keith's been pissing Mick off and flubbing solos and playing ridiculously wrong notes for years but the Stones are the Stones still. This Fleetwood Mac looked old and tired. For a new band I would have expected a kick ass performance where they showed some ability beyond being able to somewhat parrot the same songs and arrangements that they've been delivering for 20 years. I don't care that they're in their 70's - you want to make that bold move that you did in firing Lindsey Buckingham, you better bring your A-game to generate interest and prove that you didn't need the man. All I saw here was an advertisement for a cash grab hits tour. "Hey look we're gonna play the songs you love, gonna start with The Chain too! And mama's still here front and center, waving fingers and throwing odd vocal phrasings into the mix...we're the same as before...come see us!!"

You said everything I was thinking, very articulately.

The Ellen performance finally clarified for me my feelings about what has happened. This band, with Rumours lineup, has been a huge part of my life from childhood until middle age. With Lindsey gone, I will not have the opportunity to give a proper goodbye (in my mind) nor allow me to close out this important part of my life in a meaningful way. This is not the end of the world, and certainly there are bigger problems out there. But it’s important to me and by reading these posts over the months, it’s important to many.

Had the band decided to throw in the towel, I would still have been disappointed but it wouldn’t have been so upsetting. Putting together this ridiculous new band and having the ****ing nerve to have The Chain be their choice to debut - it’s a slap in the face and shows so much disrespect for fans who have stuck with them during all of their drama and games. Because we love them.

[SteveMacD]

Please, The Chain is hardly that sacred to any of them.

Lindsey played it on his 1993 solo tour, after HE broke the chain.

Fleetwood Mac played it on the 87-95 tours. Hell, they called the 94-95 tour the “Another Link In The Chain” tour.

[BigAl84]

As it should have been. They recorded it and played it live many times. They were also already on tour when they did that show.

...and the new band has been in rehearsal for a month...

For the record, had they hit the stage with a performance that reflected having their collective sh*t together, I'd be more than willing to objectively say "hey they came out punching and despite Lindsey's absence, they have their own thing going on and giving everyone a run for their money.

I'm an amateur guitar player at best and last night I literally picked up my telecaster and within 5 minutes found all the notes needed for that part that Mike was playing on a keyboard during gypsy.

Yes it was on TV, yes it was their first public performance, yes Stevie may not have sounded the best...all that I don't care about. If you listen strictly to the music...it was sloppy and there's no way around that. Bands sound like crap on TV all the time, but they're still tight and on their A game. They now have TWO guitarists to cover the part of ONE guitarist and it's still sloppy?

No disrespect for Mike or Neil, this is a weird situation for them but it's still a giant head scratcher to have an army of folks on that stage and yet it's still sloppy. The absence of Lindsey completely aside, it was sloppy.

[Buster]

Please, The Chain is hardly that sacred to any of them.

Lindsey played it on his 1993 solo tour, after HE broke the chain.

Fleetwood Mac played it on the 87-95 tours. Hell, they called the 94-95 tour the “Another Link In The Chain” tour.

Clearly nothing is sacred to them.

[BigAl84]

I guess what I find most appalling of the whole thing (just my opinion) You would think they would come out with a lot of energy and something to prove given all that went down. Yet instead it came across as bare bones, as minimal effort as possible. Kinda include some of the guitar parts, kinda don't include others (and i'm not just talking about the gypsy solo!)...Kinda come in on time after the bass solo on The Chain.

They went into a rehearsal only a month ago, same as the always did even with Lindsey and guess what? It completely shows.

And their arrogance in thinking they could just re-configure the band in a month like an Applebees dollar-rita is a prime example of how far up their own collective a$$es this group of people really are at the moment.

I'm not paying 200.00 to watch a band "warm up" on the road and just sit back and be grateful for the opportunity. They have professionals in the band, be professional. Maybe less time on the set of American Horror Story and a little more time trying to gel a new band.

Sorry, end of rant.

[jbrownsjr]

Clearly nothing is sacred to them.

You can say that again.

[SteveMacD]

I'm an amateur guitar player at best and last night I literally picked up my telecaster and within 5 minutes found all the notes needed for that part that Mike was playing on a keyboard during gypsy.

Mike could easily play it on guitar if he wanted, just like he could only use one guitar on The Chain. He’s taking creative liberties.

[BigAl84]

Or cheap shortcuts.

[bombaysaffires]

So we're back
to the daytime
Burbank lot
Back to the song
that we loved
To a band with no grace
and fading powers
Back to the pitchy
song it was.
Before Lindsey,
That it was.

And it all comes down to two
Well you know that we needed
Two new guys
Maybe Neil, maybe Mike
Oh, Ellen does the scripted patter right
And you hear you're pitchy
Hey
You hear you're pitchy
Hey

Still the pitchi-
ness remains
She faces Neil Finn
who asks "Why am I here?"
"I have no idea--
"I only asked for Mike...
"And though I got a Mike
"No the Mike wasn't enough
"Enough for Lindsey's parts
"Enough to.. lol"

Stevie's dancing her way
On Ellen now
She was just off pitch
She was just, off pitch
And the memory of Lindsey who
made this song great
You see you ditched him
Hey
You, Stevie, ditched him
Uh-oh oh.


Kudos, this was great! :thumbsup:

[secondhandchain]

[QUOTE=Keith;1235882]finally watched the Ellen Show clips of the band. Hmmm...

"The Chain" was ok, but needed the microphones of both Stevie and Christine's turned up. I'm really not of fan of Neil Finn's voice here - nothing against the talented dude, but he's not Lindsey and I think the band should stay away from doing Lindsey's songs on the tour. I really liked Mike Campbell's playing - not comparing him to Lindsey because there isn't any in the context of Fleetwood Mac.

For me, "Gypsy" live will never be able to duplicate the beautiful studio version and Stevie did sound a bit rough here. In honesty, this song needs to be pared down and be done like the live version from the 2000 Arizona Heart Institute Benefit (my favorite live version of "Gypsy" by far - it's so beautiful). But then again Lindsey did play on that song so maybe skip this one also on the upcoming tour.

At least the live audience at the Ellen show seemed to be enjoying the new version of "Fleetwood Mac." I just don't know.. yet.

You DO know they pump up the audience and INSTRUCT them to act this way right? I would not be surprised if those crazed fans were from Central Casting. I am in the business, done ALL the time. They were way over the top.

[Angel75]

You said everything I was thinking, very articulately.

The Ellen performance finally clarified for me my feelings about what has happened. This band, with Rumours lineup, has been a huge part of my life from childhood until middle age. With Lindsey gone, I will not have the opportunity to give a proper goodbye (in my mind) nor allow me to close out this important part of my life in a meaningful way. This is not the end of the world, and certainly there are bigger problems out there. But it’s important to me and by reading these posts over the months, it’s important to many.

Had the band decided to throw in the towel, I would still have been disappointed but it wouldn’t have been so upsetting. Putting together this ridiculous new band and having the ****ing nerve to have The Chain be their choice to debut - it’s an egregious slap in the face and shows so much disrespect for fans who have stuck with them during all of their drama and games. Because we live them.

The next slap will be during the tour when Stevie dedicates Landslide to everyone who has supported the band.


I feel exactly the same

[iamnotafraid]

...

You DO know they pump up the audience and INSTRUCT them to act this way right? I would not be surprised if those crazed fans were from Central Casting. I am in the business, done ALL the time. They were way over the top.


A bunch of white women. Where were the men?
I guess they've got jobs and don't have time to
go to a television show taping.

They were over the top. That was an easy tell.

[msLinds]

You said everything I was thinking, very articulately.

The Ellen performance finally clarified for me my feelings about what has happened. This band, with Rumours lineup, has been a huge part of my life from childhood until middle age. With Lindsey gone, I will not have the opportunity to give a proper goodbye (in my mind) nor allow me to close out this important part of my life in a meaningful way. This is not the end of the world, and certainly there are bigger problems out there. But it’s important to me and by reading these posts over the months, it’s important to many.

Had the band decided to throw in the towel, I would still have been disappointed but it wouldn’t have been so upsetting. Putting together this ridiculous new band and having the ****ing nerve to have The Chain be their choice to debut - it’s a slap in the face and shows so much disrespect for fans who have stuck with them during all of their drama and games. Because we love them.


I feel much the same way as you do about this.And I'm 60 years old and been a fan of the band since the 1970's.The band members are going to have to discuss in upcoming interviews what happened with Lindsey and why in more detail.Whether they like it or not.It should be interesting to see what Stevie and the rest of them are going to say about it.Also looking forward to a longer interview with Lindsey, what he will say about all this.

Its been along time since I posted on here.I still read the Ledge.I don't have the time to post much online anymore.Its horrible,cruel,stupid,uncaring,very sad, the lack of loyalty and love Mick, Stevie and the band has shown toward Lindsey.The bands Legacy means nothing to them.Just another big money grab.I have no interest in seeing that tribute band now perform live in concert.I'm glad Lindsey kept his integrity,ethics,etc.I support Lindsey and respect him, proud of him. And love his guitar playing and solo albums and the music he made with Fleetwood Mac.We love you Lindsey.Everyone have a safe and great weekend and take care.


Its important to remember thart no one falls into a simple set of labels.
Lindsey Buckingham

:wavey: :thumbsup::xoxo:

[elle]

A bunch of white women. Where were the men?
I guess they've got jobs and don't have time to
go to a television show taping.

They were over the top. That was an easy tell.

right. because women don't work. :rolleyes:

[iamnotafraid]

right. because women don't work. :rolleyes:

They work hard in the kitchen. Now get
back in there and make some noise with
those pots 'n pans.

[BigAl84]

They work hard in the kitchen. Now get
back in there and make some noise with
those pots 'n pans.

yeah...not even funny.

[SteveMacD]

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[SteveMacD]

Welp, Homer’s no longer the biggest misogynist on The Ledge!

[jbrownsjr]

Welp, Homer’s no longer the biggest misogynist on The Ledge!

He'll be so disappointed.

[sleepless child]

I love the OA. Lol!!!!Maybe after she's done with AHS, she'll appear in The OA. :lol:

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[elle]

yeah...not even funny.

heh, some are living in the stone age. :shrug:

[iamnotafraid]

Welp, Homer’s no longer the biggest misogynist on The Ledge!


To be the best, you've got to beat the best.

[mylittledemon]

Neil will never bring Lindsey level energy but it will be fine. And Neil's vocals bring far more harmony richness to the vocal blend than the band has had since the Danny Kirwan years.

How do you find settling for a perceived increase in the richness of new vocal harmonies versus Lindsey's enthusiasm?

[Storms123]

How do you find settling for a perceived increase in the richness of new vocal harmonies versus Lindsey's enthusiasm?

I am sure folks are now CHOMPING AT THE BIT to hear Neil's version of "Go Your Own Way" After hearing "The Chain", I hope whomever in this organization is controlling the set list is considering pulling "GYOW" off immediately.

[SteveMacD]

I am sure folks are now CHOMPING AT THE BIT to hear Neil's version of "Go Your Own Way" After hearing "The Chain", I hope whomever in this organization is controlling the set list is considering pulling "GYOW" off immediately.

I’m sure he’ll sing it as well as Federico and Jimmy play the John and Mick parts.

Actually, it’s Station Man I’m looking forward to.

[Sugar Mouse]

How do you find settling for a perceived increase in the richness of new vocal harmonies versus Lindsey's enthusiasm?

I actually do miss Lindsey's intensity and passion but I'm saying that Neil brings a lot of positives that FM hasn't seen since the pre-Lindsey years; a male vocalist who can really harmonize. Those Finn Brothers harmonies are off the charts spine-tingling.

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[Angel75]

I actually do miss Lindsey's intensity and passion but I'm saying that Neil brings a lot of positives that FM hasn't seen since the pre-Lindsey years; a male vocalist who can really harmonize. Those Finn Brothers harmonies are off the charts spine-tingling.



Finn is a harmony singer, I won't debate that....but how is he going to do that when the other two females in the band have voices and range that are either shot or barely there at all....plus these harmonies and songs were created by Lindsey with Lindsey's voice not Neil's.....and Neil's voice is NOT Lindsey's so how's this gonna work?
Despite their apparent 'sound/technical difficulties' it's already obvious from the Chain on Ellen that he was basically singing on his own.


Unless Tim joins FM as well no ones going to get to see great new harmonies in this 'new band'

Hint : Please, enough of the Youtube clips of Neil, it's not helping or welcome here. If people are interested in finding out more, then I am sure they know how to use Google.

[DownOnRodeo]

Neil brings a lot of positives that FM hasn't seen since the pre-Lindsey years; a male vocalist who can really harmonize.

....." Lindsey can't really harmonize"?
Er, okay...


In My World
By Sugar Mouse

Fare..
Farewell
Lindsey B.
But maybe we're good, without that dude,
And a kiwi's all we need

In my world, everything is FINN
Nobody wishes for what this should have been
Bless Neil's soul!
Let my posts unfurl!
Dreamin' they'll believe me
My message to my girl

[HomerMcvie]

Hint : Please, enough of the Youtube clips of Neil, it's not helping or welcome here. If people are interested in finding out more, then I am sure they know how to use Google.

THANK YOU!!!

But Sugar Mick won't give it up. Not yet, anyway.

[mylittledemon]

I'm saying that Neil brings a lot of positives that FM hasn't seen since the pre-Lindsey years; a male vocalist who can really harmonize. Those Finn Brothers harmonies are off the charts spine-tingling.



If the band's new strengths are to be highlighted, it seems they might've been better showcased on a new album as opposed to this quite lazy and rather passionless performance.

[wilsonmac]

So true…

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The original recording is a brilliant example of what Lindsey does that cant be replaced. The outro i believe is a varispeed (slowed down) guitar part that he had to learn for a live application. Totally makes the song. No harm in having a layered apporoach and bringing in other musicians to help fill it out.

Campbell will prob learn it eventually for the tour, but its tricky. Ive been playing for 20 years and its a really fun lick to practice

Sorry but the Ellen performance was a joke. That’s just my opinion.

[bwboy]

I actually do miss Lindsey's intensity and passion but I'm saying that Neil brings a lot of positives that FM hasn't seen since the pre-Lindsey years; a male vocalist who can really harmonize. Those Finn Brothers harmonies are off the charts spine-tingling.

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Thanks for the link- makes me excited to see what Neil brings to FM.

[wheart]

I'm sorry but this just wasn't good. It also wasn't terrible, but it lacked something bigger than just Lindsey, it lacked chemistry. It seems forced and not particularly fun for anyone other than Mick who always looks like he's possessed.

Song Choices - Really, I mean, I feel this was a major middle finger to Lindsey. You have your inaugural performance with The Chain? The one song that all five of them have a songwriting credit one. A song that literally says not to break the chain? And then you go full throttle with that middle finger and play the Stevie song that Lindsey is on record as saying one of his proudest works with her? How on Earth were these the choices? Why the hell wasn't a Christine song done?

Vocals - Stevie doesn't, to my ears, sound much worse than how she's sounded for years. Her Gypsy vocal has been bland af for a long time now..."and it lights up the night" is where the energy just falls flat on it's face and the song never recovers. Is Christine's mic even on? And Neill just doesn't have the sound for this band. Shades of Billy Burnette all over again. He's a fine singer and services the song well enough, but it came across bland bland bland.

Music - These guys are all professionals with decades upon decades of experience amongst them. The music sounded fine. The sound was bad but I'd assume that's a result of the TV show vs. their choice to have John's bass solo barely audible. Campbell's guitar skills can't be questioned and clearly the reason the Gypsy solo wasn't played was because they had x amount of time for a TV show. I mean, it's the Ellen show not The Forum. I would expect in concert he would do something with the solo. But what I can't fathom is him playing that stupid piano part? I don't care that it was played on the album similarly, it sounded and looked ridiculous. Play it on the guitar man! And why on Earth is he playing it with two other keyboard players right there?

Christine - Chris took quite possibly the worst 16 years off that she could have ever picked. Her skills from a live perspective have been questionable ever since she came back. I love this woman and felt that the band sorely missed her on the Say You Will album and tour and the two greatest hits tours that followed. I was so pumped at the beginning of You Make Loving Fun in 2014 - she was back! But it was clear then that she wasn't the same. Her vocals are not good and I'm not sure where exactly she's playing anymore. The BuckVie shows exemplified this and then this Ellen performance showed more of the same. I'm sorry, but Chris and Stevie needed to be in full kick ass mode in order for this to work.

Overall, this made me sad. I am still appalled that Lindsey was fired. I have never been a so-called "Lindsey lover" at all. I love the BAND and felt that all 5 of them made each other better. To get to this stage of their career (the end-stage) and pivot to whatever the hell it is that they've become, is just embarrassing. It's like Jagger kicking out Richards at 75. Keith's been pissing Mick off and flubbing solos and playing ridiculously wrong notes for years but the Stones are the Stones still. This Fleetwood Mac looked old and tired. For a new band I would have expected a kick ass performance where they showed some ability beyond being able to somewhat parrot the same songs and arrangements that they've been delivering for 20 years. I don't care that they're in their 70's - you want to make that bold move that you did in firing Lindsey Buckingham, you better bring your A-game to generate interest and prove that you didn't need the man. All I saw here was an advertisement for a cash grab hits tour. "Hey look we're gonna play the songs you love, gonna start with The Chain too! And mama's still here front and center, waving fingers and throwing odd vocal phrasings into the mix...we're the same as before...come see us!!"

Thanks for this post. I feel it's a very honest view of Fleetwood Mac as they stand today. I have not watched the Ellen performance yet because I'm fearful of what I may see and not want to see. I've been a large proponent of the new lineup so far but, as is mentioned in the post, if they're gonna go out on a major limb by firing Lindsey, they need to reinvent themselves, to some degree. Again, I haven't seen the Ellen performance but from the sound of things, they haven't done much reinventing. Perhaps things will start to take shape once they get out on the road and have a few shows together under their belts.

[TheWildHeart67]

Sugar moose, please stop posting videos of Neil. It's beyond annoying and becoming trollish.

[sands of time]

positives that FM hasn't seen since the pre-Lindsey years; a male vocalist who can really harmonize

Dumber than a box of paper clips...

[TrueFaith77]

Dumber than a box of paper clips...

I really wish I could block Sugar Mouse sub quotes too. That level of ignorance is staggering and really has no place on a FM fan site.

How much would it cost to buy TL? I would consider buying it just for banning power.

[lovethemac1]

I really wish I could block Sugar Mouse sub quotes too. That level of ignorance is staggering and really has no place on a FM fan site.

How much would it cost to buy TL? I would consider buying it just for banning power.

I'll pitch in money to help you! :wavey:

I never had an ounce of animosity towards Neil Finn, until Sugar Mick arrived. Now I just can't stand the sight or sound of Finn, because of SM shoving him down my throat every chance he/she can. Not sure, but once SM is no longer posting, maybe I will start to like NF??:shrug:

And SM never did answer my question about whether they are a member of fan sites for NF/CH/SE. ;)

[Keith]

I'll pitch in money to help you! :wavey:

I never had an ounce of animosity towards Neil Finn, until Sugar Mick arrived. Now I just can't stand the sight or sound of Finn, because of SM shoving him down my throat every chance he/she can. Not sure, but once SM is no longer posting, maybe I will start to like NF??:shrug:

And SM never did answer my question about whether they are a member of fan sites for NF/CH/SE. ;)

I've blocked a few folks, but since I know their subquotes still show up I just scroll down real slow and when I see their name, I skip over it. Works great! Makes this space tolerable.

[sodascouts]

And SM never did answer my question about whether they are a member of fan sites for NF/CH/SE. ;)

I daresay SM is a member of such sites. I don't have a problem with that.

But he must accept that he can't make us love NF.

I personally am also getting to the point where I can't stand the sight of the man. I long for the days, just a few short months ago, when I didn't know who the hell Neil Finn was.

[jbrownsjr]

If the band's new strengths are to be highlighted, it seems they might've been better showcased on a new album as opposed to this quite lazy and rather passionless performance.

This is my beef. When Billy and Rick came, the circumstances didn't allow them time. (no pun intended) However, they did BTM and played it on the tour. And might I add that Rick Vito had his own voice. It was bluesy and his performances were nothing to sneeze at. I enjoyed some of what he did. Billy was vibrant. (Go ahead and hate me, but that's how I felt at the time.)

This whole Fleetwood HouseBreakers Cover Band is so lame. I mean it's just lame. Cash grab, all stars, cover band central. A lead singer that has a range of 3 notes, and a keyboardist who chooses to hide herself. Unless of course both of them are doing weird hand gestures and acting like fools.

I don't care about the mixing problems, or $tevie singing off key. This whole thing is just lame. Like bib lettuce. It just lays there and does its job.

[SteveMacD]

Campbell will prob learn it eventually for the tour, but its tricky. Ive been playing for 20 years and its a really fun lick to practice.

He probably already knows it. It’s not too far removed from the lead at the end of “American Girl.”

[jwd]

I've always loved Mike Campbell's guitar playing. I still do, and enjoyed his solo on The Chain. Even his interpretation of it. He's wasting his time playing in FM. He needs to keep playing with the Heartbreakers. He'll always click with them best. Petty is irreplaceable, but it doesn't mean those group of guys can't keep working together in some fashion as a band.

Neil Finn was the only one singing in tune. I believe he could have brought something to the Mac in a different time. He and Christine could possibly write some good songs together and establish a history, if there was more time to reinvent this band.

Christine does look good. She's also very stylish in her wardrobe. So much more chic than her FM sister. But then again she's a singer in the band who plays the keys. I really didn't hear either in these performances. Maybe it's best for her to focus her attention on writing a cookbook and starting a line of clothing for hip senior citizens.

Mick played the crap out of his drums. He was one of the most interesting things to watch. It was like he was playing for his life. Maybe he is.

To me, Stevie has become the dead weight in this band. Her voice is barely tolerable to me anymore. It is just a drone. Her choice of the same clothes to the same mannerisms have become so boring and ridiculous.


Performing songs about 40 yrs old work with the Rumours 5 doing them because of the history and legacy of the band. Lindsey brings the edge. Without him they just seem so lackluster and empty.