Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out of

[TheWildHeart67]

http://m.tmz.com/#2018/05/26/mick-fleetwood-denies-stevie-nicks-ultimatum-lindsey-buckingham/

[HomerMcvie]

That $mirk sure made me think he was lying!

What's he supposed to say? Yeah, $he's an old witch, and got her bitchy way.

That's very harmful to hi$ brand.

[jwd]

We'll probably never get the whole truth. I'd put more stock in Lindsey's side of the story than anyone else's.

[secondhandchain]

Of course that money grubbing who#e is lying. At least we know he's heard what the fans are saying. That man NEVER ran away from a freaking camera...ha ha ha ha!!! Good, I hope you squirm yourself into an old age home.

[HomerMcvie]

Of course that money grubbing who#e is lying. At least we know he's heard what the fans are saying. That man NEVER ran away from a freaking camera...ha ha ha ha!!! Good, I hope you squirm yourself into an old age home.

Absolutely. The old whore craves attention, and he couldn't get away fast enough. He's lying through his teeth!

[secondhandchain]

Absolutely. The old whore craves attention, and he couldn't get away fast enough. He's lying through his teeth!

Right? Mick never met a camera he didn't want to eye f#ck. :)

[Sugar Mouse]

Absolutely. The old whore

You can believe anything that you like but resorting to name-calling vitriole isn't acceptable on this forum.

[Angel75]

I love that he is being stalked by TMZ at the airports...its hilarious
No, You can not hide Mick

[HomerMcvie]

You can believe anything that you like but resorting to name-calling vitriole isn't acceptable on this forum.

You haven't been here a month. Shut it.

[jwd]

I love that he is being stalked by TMZ at the airports...its hilarious
No, You can not hide Mick

Ha, this is FAR from over.

[HomerMcvie]

Ha, this is FAR from over.

I sure hope it's not. It's kind of like Sears buying K-Mart. I hope their ship sinks as a result of this hideous decision.

[jwd]

I sure hope it's not. It's kind of like Sears buying K-Mart. I hope their ship sinks as a result of this hideous decision.

I'm waiting for Lindsey to speak up about it. Gotta happen sooner or later, once he gets out on the road supporting his "Best Of" collection. He'll be hounded the same way they're hounding Mick.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm waiting for Lindsey to speak up about it. Gotta happen sooner or later, once he gets out on the road supporting his "Best Of" collection. He'll be hounded the same way they're hounding Mick.

That old whore Mick wouldn't tell the truth about this for anything. They screwed up, and I'm sure they know that now. He's trying to do damage control, but people aren't going to stop hounding him.

[Sugar Mouse]

You haven't been here a month. Shut it.

I can't believe the moderators allow you to continue to post such awful vitriole. Does anyone know how to contact the moderators?

[jwd]

That old whore Mick wouldn't tell the truth about this for anything. They screwed up, and I'm sure they know that now. He's trying to do damage control, but people aren't going to stop hounding him.

Hey, it's kind of fun anyway. Instead of getting new music, we're getting new DRAMA. FM aims to please, one way or another. Gotta love The Mac! Rock's biggest soap opera!! :D

[jwd]

I can't believe the moderators allow you to continue to post such awful vitriole. Does anyone know how to contact the moderators?

You can private message them. But if they're doing their jobs and agree with what you're saying, you shouldn't have to.

[SteveMacD]

Plus, the rule is that it’s fair game to say whatever about people in the band.

[SteveMacD]

Eff TMZ. They are the most useless bunch of wannabe paparazzi.

[bwboy]

I can't believe the moderators allow you to continue to post such awful vitriole. Does anyone know how to contact the moderators?

Homer will never be banned from here. Besides, we're allowed to call band members any names we want, just not other posters. You know, like on an elementary school playground.

But I do think it's wrong for him to tell another poster to shut up, no matter how long you've been a member of the Ledge. That crosses the line, it's bullying and is one of the reasons more people don't post here.

[HomerMcvie]

Plus, the rule is that it’s fair game to say whatever about people in the band.

Exactly. And I've been personally attacked by both bwboy and Buster in the past month, called all kinds of things by them, and NOTHING was done about it. So good luck with that, Sug.

[SteveMacD]

Homer will never be banned from here. Besides, we're allowed to call band members any names we want, just not other posters. You know, like on an elementary school playground.

But I do think it's wrong for him to tell another poster to shut up, no matter how long you've been a member of the Ledge. That crosses the line, it's bullying and is one of the reasons more people don't post here.

To be fair, Sugar Mouse was trying to get the mods on Homer before knowing the rules.

[jwd]

Eff TMZ. They are the most useless bunch of wannabe paparazzi.

Hey, at least they are putting some feet to the fire.

[HomerMcvie]

Hey, at least they are putting some feet to the fire.

Agreed. It looked like they were making Mick sweat.

[Dr.Brown]

Agreed. It looked like they were making Mick sweat.

Ol' Mi¢k knows we've got his number. So idiotic for them to claim that Lindsey demanded FM not tour for almost two years! It makes no sense at all. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this is pure, unadulterated bullsh!t. You can run Mi¢k, but you can't hide. My estimation of the man has really hit rock bottom.

[secondhandchain]

Please, those multi millionaires can take a little of our anger. They will be fine and right now they deserve it.

[secondhandchain]

To be fair, Sugar Mouse was trying to get the mods on Homer before knowing the rules.

Homer does not deserve to get banned. He's voicing what many of us feel right now. Do you expect us just to be happy with the current turn of events? I hope not because you better buckle up.

[Sugar Mouse]

But I do think it's wrong for him to tell another poster to shut up, no matter how long you've been a member of the Ledge. That crosses the line, it's bullying and is one of the reasons more people don't post here.

Agreed. There should be certain rules that we all play by and certain behaviors that are unacceptable. I've moderated fan forums before and never tolerated bullies who create a hostile environment.

[Angel75]

Exactly. And I've been personally attacked by both bwboy and Buster in the past month, called all kinds of things by them, and NOTHING was done about it. So good luck with that, Sug.

You may have been personally attacked but only because you started it and usually goad the situation. Nobody stops you from using offensive language towards FM band members or Ledge members themselves so you continue doing it.
You are a bully who loves to troll this board.
It may sound like Dr PHIL, but by doing or saying nothing we are enabling this kind of behaviour. I choose to say it's not ok even if no one else does.

[Angel75]

Ha, this is FAR from over.

Exactly.....one day Mick, probably when you are bankrupt again, you will literally have to face the music and fess up.

[jwd]

Exactly.....one day Mick, probably when you are probably bankrupt again, you will literally have to face the music and fess up.

It'll be in his next book! :laugh:

[bwboy]

You may have been personally attacked but only because you started it and usually goad the situation. Nobody stops you from using offensive language towards FM band members or Ledge members themselves so you continue doing it.
You are a bully who loves to troll this board.
It may sound like Dr PHIL, but by doing or saying nothing we are enabling this kind of behaviour. I choose to say it's not ok even if no one else does.

Exactly. All I did was quote Homer, I didn't bully him one bit. No point rehashing it, but it's telling that a guy who says the things he's says here thinks HE'S being bullied. The guy who tells another poster to shut up says HE'S the one being bullied.

[bwboy]

Please, those multi millionaires can take a little of our anger. They will be fine and right now they deserve it.

Yes they will be fine, including Lindsey.

[Angel75]

It'll be in his next book! :laugh:

Yeah book #3.... Yawn

[lovethemac1]

You haven't been here a month. Shut it.

:xoxo: God, you are the best! Thank you.

[Storms123]

Right? Mick never met a camera he didn't want to eye f#ck. :)

Mick could sell ice to an Eskimo. He's a charlatan if there ever was one. That said--I actually think he likes Lindsey very much and once they got the Stevie drama out of the way, the were able to develop a nice rapport. I assume that ship has sailed. He's willing to cast that friendship aside for more cash in the coffers. The fact he's being stalked in airports is fantastic and if anything, we know that they now know what everyone is saying and speculating---if it's not true--redeem yourself (from this isht and the CBS DEBACLE) and do a proper interview. Where are the lip readers from the royal wedding last weekend---would love to know what he said to the bodyguard.

[Angel75]

Exactly. All I did was quote Homer, I didn't bully him one bit. No point rehashing it, but it's telling that a guy who says the things he's says here thinks HE'S being bullied. The guy who tells another poster to shut up says HE'S the one being bullied.

We used to get sent to the Principals office if we said Shut Up to someone ....it wasn't tolerated at school and is offensive/ insulting / and unnecessary thing to say.

To be fair, I pretty much disagree with everything you have to say bwboy, hahaha....!!!!
But you are entitled to your opinion and by all means contribute what you think, I won't result to name calling or dirty tactics because we don't agree.

[jwd]

Mick could sell ice to an Eskimo. He's a charlatan if there ever was one. That said--I actually think he likes Lindsey very much and once they got the Stevie drama out of the way, the were able to develop a nice rapport. I assume that ship has sailed. He's willing to cast that friendship aside for more cash in the coffers. The fact he's being stalked in airports is fantastic and if anything, we know that they now know what everyone is saying and speculating---if it's not true--redeem yourself (from this isht and the CBS DEBACLE) and do a proper interview. Where are the lip readers from the royal wedding last weekend---would love to know what he said to the bodyguard.

Surely TMZ knows. Where's the video?!

[SteveMacD]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GEkNhRyClgo/UO4zsvyjCaI/AAAAAAAAI6o/7ktjV5HQHb8/s1600/peter-griffin-who-the-hell-cares.jpg

[aleuzzi]

Re: the video:

Least. Convincing. Disavowal. Ever.

[jwd]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GEkNhRyClgo/UO4zsvyjCaI/AAAAAAAAI6o/7ktjV5HQHb8/s1600/peter-griffin-who-the-hell-cares.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Angel75]

Re: the video:

Least. Convincing. Disavowal. Ever.

:laugh::]:blob2::]

[lovethemac1]

I can't believe the moderators allow you to continue to post such awful vitriole. Does anyone know how to contact the moderators?

Sugar mouse, you keep commenting in the threads that are predominantly made up of people upset with this turn of events.

Your right to do, but maybe it's time to stop poking the bear. If you don't like the stance that some have on this situation, then go to the threads where people are excited and happy with the turn of events.

You need to own some of this as well.

[secondhandchain]

Yes they will be fine, including Lindsey.

You are so right, he will be fine. Does that mean we still can't be pissed he was fired? Pissed that in the last couple of years of their band shelf life they ruined their legacy for $$$$$$$$$ and to satisfy SN's urge to be a Heartbreaker?

[Dr.Brown]

It'll be in his next book! :laugh:

Nah, he'll whisper in it your ear if you tack on an extra $400 at his $600 'Meet and Fleece' events.

[bwboy]

Sugar mouse, you keep commenting in the threads that are predominantly made up of people upset with this turn of events.

Your right to do, but maybe it's time to stop poking the bear. If you don't like the stance that some have on this situation, then go to the threads where people are excited and happy with the turn of events.

You need to own some of this as well.

Sugar Mouse has been respectful in every way, lovethemac. Surely he/she has the right to express their opinion on any thread, especially if they're respectful when doing it. Besides, people angry about Lindsey being fired are commenting on threads about looking forward to seeing the new line up live, poking the bear, as you put it. And I have no problem with that, until it dissolves into name calling.

This thread is titled "Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out," so surely it's going to catch the attention of people on both sides of the fence. Telling someone to shut up because they don't like their opinion is wrong, and I don't understand why more people don't agree with that. I would have said the same thing if Sugar Mouse had told you to shut up... but he/she doesn't say things like that to other people.

[SteveMacD]

Sugar Mouse has been respectful in every way, lovethemac. Surely he/she has the right to express their opinion on any thread, especially if they're respectful when doing it. Besides, people angry about Lindsey being fired are commenting on threads about looking forward to seeing the new line up live, poking the bear, as you put it. And I have no problem with that, until it dissolves into name calling.

This thread is titled "Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out," so surely it's going to catch the attention of people on both sides of the fence. Telling someone to shut up because they don't like their opinion is wrong, and I don't understand why more people don't agree with that. I would have said the same thing if Sugar Mouse had told you to shut up... but he/she doesn't say things like that to other people.

That’s not why Homer said “shut it”.

[bwboy]

We used to get sent to the Principals office if we said Shut Up to someone ....it wasn't tolerated at school and is offensive/ insulting / and unnecessary thing to say.

To be fair, I pretty much disagree with everything you have to say bwboy, hahaha....!!!!
But you are entitled to your opinion and by all means contribute what you think, I won't result to name calling or dirty tactics because we don't agree.

Thanks Angel75 :thumbsup: And I really mean that! And if I fall in that trap of being insulting or offensive as I have in the past, please call me on it.

[jwd]

Nah, he'll whisper in it your ear if you tack on an extra $400 at his $600 'Meet and Fleece' events.

NOT MY ****ING EAR! I'M NOT THAT STUPID! :D

[bwboy]

That’s not why Homer said “shut it”.

He told Sugar Mouse to shut up because they hadn't been on the board a month yet. Not sure why that would make it ok, and it doesn't matter why he said it, it wasn't necessary and it's not ok. If I'm a bully for saying he shouldn't have said it LOL then I'll wear that badge no problem.

[BombaySapphire3]

Mick always stays true to form..He will say or do just about anything for $$$. One of the greediest and most money grubbing characters in rock history.

[lovethemac1]

Sugar Mouse has been respectful in every way, lovethemac. Surely he/she has the right to express their opinion on any thread, especially if they're respectful when doing it. Besides, people angry about Lindsey being fired are commenting on threads about looking forward to seeing the new line up live, poking the bear, as you put it. And I have no problem with that, until it dissolves into name calling.

This thread is titled "Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out," so surely it's going to catch the attention of people on both sides of the fence. Telling someone to shut up because they don't like their opinion is wrong, and I don't understand why more people don't agree with that. I would have said the same thing if Sugar Mouse had told you to shut up... but he/she doesn't say things like that to other people.

Thank you for your comments.

Poking the bear means making comments intended to annoy someone, over and over. If someone who is upset over this scenario wants to see the band, and makes comments to that effect.......that's not poking the bear.

I do agree that Sugar Mouse is polite, but it's a really passive aggressive way of shoving Neil Finn down my throat every time I read any posts of his/hers. I'm tired of reading how good this is going to be, I don't agree with that, and I avoid any and all threads relating to Neil Finn, CH, TP/MC. And I certainly don't spend my time trying to convince SugarMouse that my point of view is correct. So when he/she turns up in every thread trying to make me see his/her side of the coin, then gets offended when someone is tired of that point of view, I think he/she needs to own a bit of it. No one here would tell someone to "shut up" unless they had reached the point of poking the bear one too many times.

Any conflict is usually a two way street. So don't call foul when you poke the bear and get some push back.

[Dr.Brown]

Ugh, I've really tried to stay out of this but I'll just leave this here (not that it matters since I'm not a mod):

I agree that a newbie gushing all about Neil Finn, posting videos of his performances, and repeatedly parroting the 'official narrative' for Lindsey's dismissal in the Rumours forum seems deliberately provocative.

Normally, I'd otherwise agree that telling another member to 'shut up' crosses a line. As it stands, I'd just as soon ignore arguments between members and intend to do so moving forward.

[Angel75]

Mick always stays true to form..He will say or do just about anything for $$$. One of the greediest and most money grubbing characters in rock history.

This.
He still have 20million in the bank but that's still not enough to live out his next 20 years....he still must flog the old horse dry

[HomerMcvie]

That’s not why Homer said “shut it”.

Thank you. I broke NO RULES, but was being "threatened" with a spanking. If you don't know the rules, you probably shouldn't speak. Is that a nicer way of saying it?

I think someone has "a thing" for me. :D;):p

[HomerMcvie]

:xoxo: God, you are the best! Thank you.

You're welcome. :angel:

[BombaySapphire3]

This.
He still have 20million in the bank but that's still not enough to live out his next 20 years....he still must flog the old horse dry

With all the coke snorted and booze guzzled by this shyster and for years on end I would be shocked if he made it past 80.:lol:

[Angel75]

With all the coke snorted and booze guzzled by this shyster and for years on end I would be shocked if he made it past 80.:lol:

Yeah I was being pretty generous with 20 years;)

It still surprises the hell out of me that MF and SN are seemingly fit and healthy after all those years of coke and booze....maybe only the good die young?!

[dreamsunwind]

Lol what, were people expecting him to say yes? Tell the people from TMZ that it's all true and that's exactly what happened?

[SteveMacD]

Ugh, I've really tried to stay out of this but I'll just leave this here (not that it matters since I'm not a mod):

I agree that a newbie gushing all about Neil Finn, posting videos of his performances,

However, the moderators have said that it’s perfectly acceptable to post about the new lineup in this forum. You don’t have to like it, but that’s not breaking any rule.

and repeatedly parroting the 'official narrative' for Lindsey's dismissal in the Rumours forum seems deliberately provocative.


No more ridiculous than speculating that it was all Stevie’s doing.

[iamnotafraid]

I think someone has "a thing" for me. :D;):p


David if I didn't think you were a dude
I'd call this a cat-fight.

[HomerMcvie]

David if I didn't think you were a dude
I'd call this a cat-fight.

I wish "he"? would either ignore me, or block me. Because he? seems obsessed...

[mitzo]

I can't believe the moderators allow you to continue to post such awful vitriole. Does anyone know how to contact the moderators?
Moderators will not help. This forum is like living next door to total trailer trash.

[mitzo]

Homer does not deserve to get banned. He's voicing what many of us feel right now. Do you expect us just to be happy with the current turn of events? I hope not because you better buckle up.

Homer rules this place. Lord of the Flies.

[HomerMcvie]

Homer rules this place. Lord of the Flies.

:lol::lol::lol: No, I don't.

But I do hope bw doesn't kill me with a rock from above.

[Sugar Mouse]

Ugh, I've really tried to stay out of this but I'll just leave this here (not that it matters since I'm not a mod):

I agree that a newbie gushing all about Neil Finn, posting videos of his performances, and repeatedly parroting the 'official narrative' for Lindsey's dismissal in the Rumours forum seems deliberately provocative.

Normally, I'd otherwise agree that telling another member to 'shut up' crosses a line. As it stands, I'd just as soon ignore arguments between members and intend to do so moving forward.

If telling other members to "shut up" and using obscene vulgarities in reference to members of the band doesn't get someone banned from a fan forum then there's no point in having moderators.

[SteveMacD]

If telling other members to "shut up" and using obscene vulgarities in reference to members of the band doesn't get someone banned from a fan forum then there's no point in having moderators.

But it’s not against forum rules to use “obscene vulgarities” about members of the band. As for telling you to shut it, you were calling for someone who has been here for like twenty years to be banned. Maybe learn the rules of this board, first.

[BombaySapphire3]

If telling other members to "shut up" and using obscene vulgarities in reference to members of the band doesn't get someone banned from a fan forum then there's no point in having moderators.

Well maybe if certain members of the band didn't behave in an obscene and vulgar way people wouldn't reference them in that way:shrug:

[Dr.Brown]

I think we all need a time out and group hug as a sound system plays the following Fleetwood Mac "classic" from the Time album:

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[HomerMcvie]

I love 95% of you! :xoxo::lol:

[SteveMacD]

I think we all need a time out and group hug as a sound system plays the following Fleetwood Mac "classic" from the Time album:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PN4aOAXR1e0?rel=0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

In all seriousness, Mick had the best guitar solo on the album.

[Sugar Mouse]

But it’s not against forum rules to use “obscene vulgarities” about members of the band. As for telling you to shut it, you were calling for someone who has been here for like twenty years to be banned. Maybe learn the rules of this board, first.

So using vulgarities against band members doesn't violate forum rules?

Telling members to "shut up" doesn't violates the rules?

I guess I just assumed that obscene behavior like this wouldn't be allowed.

As far as a member being on the forum for 20 years, you would think he would know better and have more respect for the integrity of this website.

[Sugar Mouse]

But it’s not against forum rules to use “obscene vulgarities” about members of the band. As for telling you to shut it, you were calling for someone who has been here for like twenty years to be banned. Maybe learn the rules of this board, first.

Actually I just read through the forum rules and using vulgarities (just as "whore" or "shut up" or other offensive posts that I've seen this week) are not allowed.

Specifically, I found five references in the rules that forbid these obscene actions. Specifically, the forum rules forbid:

***Material that contains vulgar, obscene or indecent language
***Any statement that defames, abuses or threatens others
***Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive
***Attacks / Retaliation of any kind. Either against a member or group of members. Doing so will result in a warning. If you continue, you WILL be banned.
***Obscene language and/or graphics

I'm a bit shocked that the moderators put up with such offensive behavior whether the person has been on this site for 20 years or 20 minutes.

[secondhandchain]

I'm a bit shocked that the moderators put up with such offensive behavior whether the person has been on this site for 20 years or 20 minutes.[/QUOTE]

You might have noticed these are not normal times around here. It seems you just joined. Are you a fan of Neil or Mike Campbell? It seems maybe that's what drew you here? There are a lot of upset long time fans of the band who are not happy with LB's firing. You might want to cop everyone a break. BTW calling Mick Fleetwood a wh$re (is that better) is hardly offensive. He is known around the rock industry as one of the biggest shysters ever. I'm surprised he hasn't started selling FM coffins like Gene Simmons.

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[Sugar Mouse]

You might want to cop everyone a break. BTW calling Mick Fleetwood a wh$re (is that better) is hardly offensive.


Calling anyone a "whore" is obscene no matter who the recipient is and no matter what the circumstances are. It shouldn't be tolerated. And I've been a big FM fan for 40+ years and joined the group with all the talk about recent events.

[Missy]

I've been around here for a few years, mainly to follow the updates and find information. From what I've seen there's always been some of this tone in the forum about this band member or that band member. But I just tend to steer clear of it.

I've said myself that it's understandable people are upset about what's happened, but there is no need for outright rude behaviour and not being able to respect different way of looking at things.

I have been on this forum longer than Sugar Mouse and he is obviously a Finn fan but he evidently has at least as much knowledge of FM as I do (certainly more than could be accumulated in short time since this turn of events) and probably more, since he's evidently followed them longer - since 70s, whereas for me it's since 90s.

A moderator has thanked him for the information he has provided about Neil Finn since joining this forum, for those interested in more about him but not quite sure where to start. He has not disrespected or shown ignorance about any other member of the group.

I'm feeling quite torn myself atm about everything, as I've been aware of Neil Finn since early 1980s as a great local talent. I know the great work he is capable of. And then I admire Lindsey Buckingham as perhaps my guitar player favourite of all time. I have great respect for them both. So it's a very difficult time for me as fan of both acts. Not totally sure how I feel - just seeing how things unfold.

[secondhandchain]

Calling anyone a "whore" is obscene no matter who the recipient is and no matter what the circumstances are. It shouldn't be tolerated. And I've been a big FM fan for 40+ years and joined the group with all the talk about recent events.

When you call MF a whore it is not in a sexual context. He's a whore for money and it's really not that big a deal.

[sasja]

When you call MF a whore it is not in a sexual context. He's a whore for money and it's really not that big a deal.

Besides, in this day and age, the term "whore", specially in non-sexual context, is about as saintly innocent as it gets, compared to the language that is out there.
I truly have a hard time fathoming an adult getting so bent out of shape over that word, these days.

But! In other news --- How 'bout that slithering snake of a lying shyster, huh?
He never fails to give me the willies, that Mick Fleetwood, brrr. :eek:

[Missy]

That would be a small case. I've seen plenty of ugly talk here. I guess - freedom of speech. I know nobody in this band is perfect. I can take different opinions. But it's not something I'm into dwelling on and rehashing countless times with trash talk. After nnnth time it's not really funny. So I just stay away from it most part. I've given up trying to find a group online to be social with and interact as a fan though since it's pretty much same everywhere. So I just follow news and updates and use the boards to find particular information. I'm happy to enjoy the music itself on my own.

I won't continue in this convo but have fun folks!:woohoo:

[HomerMcvie]

Calling anyone a "whore" is obscene no matter who the recipient is and no matter what the circumstances are. It shouldn't be tolerated. And I've been a big FM fan for 40+ years and joined the group with all the talk about recent events.

It's very funny that you're brand new here, and throwing a hissy fit about changing the rules/enforcing the rules, as you see fit. Things have been running ~as is~ for 20+ years.

Good luck with that. And btw, I contacted mods after "my" attacks in the past month, and was told, "I don't wanna deal with it".

Back in the day, MANY of us lurked here for a couple of years, before joining, because it's ALWAYS been tough here. So tough that we were afraid to join. AGAIN, it's always been tough here. "Man up", and stick around for a while.:angel:

[Sugar Mouse]

Besides, in this day and age, the term "whore", specially in non-sexual context, is about as saintly innocent as it gets, compared to the language that is out there.
I truly have a hard time fathoming an adult getting so bent out of shape over that word, these days.

But! In other news --- How 'bout that slithering snake of a lying shyster, huh?
He never fails to give me the willies, that Mick Fleetwood, brrr. :eek:

I saw your post so I went to the Webster's Dictionary website and looked up "whore" and the definitions are divided into categories with the first category being "offensive" with a definition of promiscuous woman.

It's a bit odd that I'm having to explain that "whore" is an offensive word but Webster's considers the term to be an offensive one listing "offensive" as the primary category.

All I'm saying is that I'm surprised that the moderators are cool with this kind of offensive language. I'm going to stick to a positive discussion of the music and hope that the moderators work to curtail the bullying and offensive posts that are clearly preventing many fans from posting here.

[HomerMcvie]

I saw your post so I went to the Webster's Dictionary website and looked up "whore" and the definitions are divided into categories with the first category being "offensive" with a definition of promiscuous woman.

It's a bit odd that I'm having to explain that "whore" is an offensive word but Webster's considers the term to be an offensive one listing "offensive" as the primary category.

All I'm saying is that I'm surprised that the moderators are cool with this kind of offensive language. I'm going to stick to a positive discussion of the music and hope that the moderators work to curtail the bullying and offensive posts that are clearly preventing many fans from posting here.

Good god, a "man" is called a whore, over MONEY, and you just can't let it go.

[Sugar Mouse]

It's very funny that you're brand new here, and throwing a hissy fit about changing the rules/enforcing the rules, as you see fit. Things have been running ~as is~ for 20+ years.

Good luck with that. And btw, I contacted mods after "my" attacks in the past month, and was told, "I don't wanna deal with it".

Back in the day, MANY of us lurked here for a couple of years, before joining, because it's ALWAYS been tough here. So tough that we were afraid to join. AGAIN, it's always been tough here. "Man up", and stick around for a while.:angel:

I guess you find it easier to try to bully folks around then actually write cogent, factual, well thought out posts. The latter is more difficult. I think I'll stick to with those who want to discuss the glorious music without all the angry vitriol. Makes life much more enjoyable. Have a great weekend.

[HomerMcvie]

I guess you find it easier to try to bully folks around then actually write cogent, factual, well thought out posts. The latter is more difficult. I think I'll stick to with those who want to discuss the glorious music without all the angry vitriol. Makes life much more enjoyable. Have a great weekend.

I shall.

You remind me of someone else who used to be here. Makes me wonder if they still check IP addresses, for duplicates...

I'm spelunking tomorrow. Then we're going to a winery. I hope you have a wonderful weekend, too.:angel:

[FuzzyPlum]

Oxford English dictionary;

Noun:
1.2 A person who is regarded as willing to do anything to get a particular thing.
‘he's a shameless publicity whore’
‘you come across as a complete attention whore’

Verb:
1.2 Debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money.
‘he had never whored after money’

I'd say both terms fairly apply to MF.

[Macfan4life]

Ha ha. Mick was sweating ;)
I wish he would have asked at the end. Why wasn't Christine involved in the decision? Why was the decision made when she was in London?

[button-lip]

Ha ha. Mick was sweating ;)
I wish he would have asked at the end. Why wasn't Christine involved in the decision? Why was the decision made when she was in London?

Well, I for once think Christine is lying, but yeah, so many questions to ask greedy WHORE Mick. :lol::lol: I guess he will start changing to trains now because every time he tries to catch a plane there's someone there asking him about Lindsey and letting him know what we all think about him and greedy selfish goat Stevie. Which I love, btw.

They have now a clear idea of where we're standing about Lindsey's firing and why tickets are not selling. Yep, Mick, you and Stevie did this.

[TheWildHeart67]

Well, so many of you hate Stevie and Mick so much and were saying the tour was a cash grab and not worth attending before Lindsey was out, so it's a win/win for many of you.
I think spewing so much hatred is a waste of energy, but to each their own.

[TrueFaith77]

No REAL FM fan would be offended by this use of the word “whore”; it’s in Mac member lyrics fercryinoutloud


Who would run such a forum? Hypocrite Stevie? Rule #100: no mention of the song “Come” Rule 101: no mention of the song “Bel Air Rain” :lol:

Also it’s a huge stretch to take “Shut it” as a threat. I read it as: stop threatening others with banning based on your total ignorance of forum rules cuz u make yourself foolish and derail the topic at hand

Moving on. Mick Fleetwood is a whore who has degraded his own legacy for money and, possibly, spite. Until he will tell the truth, he really should shut it. He is coming off as a joke and making a mockery of the Macdom.

[TrueFaith77]

Well, I for once think Christine is lying, but yeah, so many questions to ask greedy WHORE Mick. :lol::lol: I guess he will start changing to trains now because every time he tries to catch a plane there's someone there asking him about Lindsey and letting him know what we all think about him and greedy selfish goat Stevie. Which I love, btw.

They have now a clear idea of where we're standing about Lindsey's firing and why tickets are not selling. Yep, Mick, you and Stevie did this.

Good point. TMZ rwferencing Lindsey’s fans was fascinating. But are ticket sales bad? It’s seems to be doing really well but I don’t understand how these things work.

[TheWildHeart67]

I haven't been keeping up with ticket sales, as a Fleetwood Mac tour without Lindsey doesn't interest me. I doubt it will do terrible, but it won't be as big as previous tours. As for the FM legacy being ruined, I think their legacy as an iconic band is sealed.

[Storms123]

Well, I for once think Christine is lying, but yeah, so many questions to ask greedy WHORE Mick. :lol::lol: I guess he will start changing to trains now because every time he tries to catch a plane there's someone there asking him about Lindsey and letting him know what we all think about him and greedy selfish goat Stevie. Which I love, btw.

They have now a clear idea of where we're standing about Lindsey's firing and why tickets are not selling. Yep, Mick, you and Stevie did this.

I agree--I think she knew more then she let on--She looked way too uncomfortable to not have been given some type of heads up what was coming. I honestly think everyone of them were withholding some truths a bit in that interview.

[SteveMacD]

Ha ha. Mick was sweating ;)
I wish he would have asked at the end. Why wasn't Christine involved in the decision? Why was the decision made when she was in London?

One of three scenarios come to mind.

1: They were being benevolent and kept her out of the decision out of respect for her musical partnership with Lindsey.

2: They went behind her back because they knew she would protest and vote no anyway.

3: They waited until she was gone so that she couldn’t convince John to vote with her, preventing Lindsey, Christine, and John from blocking Stevie and Mick.

[SteveMacD]

I agree--I think she knew more then she let on--She looked way too uncomfortable to not have been given some type of heads up what was coming. I honestly think everyone of them were withholding some truths a bit in that interview.

I’m not sure all five of them won’t come off looking like a bunch juvenile idiots after everything comes out, if that happens.

[Storms123]

Well, so many of you hate Stevie and Mick so much and were saying the tour was a cash grab and not worth attending before Lindsey was out, so it's a win/win for many of you.
I think spewing so much hatred is a waste of energy, but to each their own.

I actually don't hate them. Hates a strong word and I can't really hate someone I don't know. That said--I do hate their actions--and while we/I don't know everything that went down, it looks like Stevie and Mick may have had more of a "guiding" hand in the situation we are all dealing with. I do think they are withholding some info and there are some machinations going on behind the scenes we will never be fully aware of. Lindsey's speech a few weeks back solidifies that it's more than just "tour schedules" If he was lying about it--FM org probably could have slapped some sort libel suit on him.
I think there is so much venom and hate going back and forth because it's pretty clear FM are NOT telling the truth about what really happened, and fans of the Rumours 5 lineup are not happy-

[Storms123]

I’m not sure all five of them won’t come off looking like a bunch juvenile idiots after everything comes out, if that happens.

100% actually I think they already do. The interviewers chat post the XM Sirius interview the band did highlights it--Without actually saying they were lyinging--they pretty said the band was lying. It was awesome.

[elle]

If telling other members to "shut up" and using obscene vulgarities in reference to members of the band doesn't get someone banned from a fan forum then there's no point in having moderators.

You called in mods to shut up Homer without knowing any rules here. Homer basically told you that. So what are you complaining about?

Also how is calling Mick a whore - which is what he is, selling out his services for money - an obscene vulgarity?

[Sugar Mouse]

You called in mods to shut up Homer without knowing any rules here. Homer basically told you that. So what are you complaining about?

Also how is calling Mick a whore - which is what he is, selling out his services for money - an obscene vulgarity?

Webster's Dictionary defines "whore" as an offensive term.

And I already posted all of the rules of the forum (as listed on the website) that "Homer" violated by telling other members to "shut up" and using vulgar terms to refer to band members.

Apparently the moderators here put up with this sort of reprehensible, bullying behavior.

Bullys act this way because it makes them feel better about themselves, but all it does is keep good people off these boards and limits the discussion of the Fleetwood Mac music that we all love.

Very sad that there isn't a moderator to step up and clean up the behavior on this forum. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[gldstwmn]

You can believe anything that you like but resorting to name-calling vitriole isn't acceptable on this forum.
Unless you're Homer McVie and then it is... Welcome to The Ledge Sugar Mouse. :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

I love that he is being stalked by TMZ at the airports...its hilarious
No, You can not hide Mick

Any press is good press I guess. This may actually help sell tour tickets.

[gldstwmn]

I can't believe the moderators allow you to continue to post such awful vitriole. Does anyone know how to contact the moderators?

They won't do anything. He is the administrator's "favorite." God knows why. :shrug:

[elle]

Mouse you don’t seem to really read people’s posts but just insist on pushing your own line of thinking on everyone and continuously derailing threads. That’s what you’ve been doing from day 1 in the first thread you joined.

I can easily look at the forum rules that you posted and say you broke most of them just in a week you’ve been here. I’m out of this discussion. I’ve posted before reading all the replies and others have stated it all much more eloquently than I ever could. Yet you still ignore all that and insist on your same points over and over. That’s not respectful discussion.

[gldstwmn]

Exactly. And I've been personally attacked by both bwboy and Buster in the past month, called all kinds of things by them, and NOTHING was done about it. So good luck with that, Sug.

Aww... I'm almost sad for you.

[gldstwmn]

To be fair, Sugar Mouse was trying to get the mods on Homer before knowing the rules.

Rules? There are rules? :confused::lol:

[gldstwmn]

You may have been personally attacked but only because you started it and usually goad the situation. Nobody stops you from using offensive language towards FM band members or Ledge members themselves so you continue doing it.
You are a bully who loves to troll this board.
It may sound like Dr PHIL, but by doing or saying nothing we are enabling this kind of behaviour. I choose to say it's not ok even if no one else does.

Yep. But be careful. It will probably get you thrown off at least temporarily. Some of these folks wear their hatred like a badge of honor.

[gldstwmn]

It'll be in his next book! :laugh:

Actually that last book or set of books that was leather bound was gorgeous and quite collectible. I just couldn't bring myself to pony up the $1200 or whatever it was.

[gldstwmn]

Exactly. All I did was quote Homer, I didn't bully him one bit. No point rehashing it, but it's telling that a guy who says the things he's says here thinks HE'S being bullied. The guy who tells another poster to shut up says HE'S the one being bullied.

Textbook. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Homer rules this place. Lord of the Flies.

Excellent reference. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

But it’s not against forum rules to use “obscene vulgarities” about members of the band. As for telling you to shut it, you were calling for someone who has been here for like twenty years to be banned. Maybe learn the rules of this board, first.

Not banned... rebuked just a little?

[gldstwmn]

Well maybe if certain members of the band didn't behave in an obscene and vulgar way people wouldn't reference them in that way:shrug:

Lindsey should not have been abusive to women. I agree.

[gldstwmn]

When you call MF a whore it is not in a sexual context. He's a whore for money and it's really not that big a deal.

And other "whores" are not in it for the money? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

Good luck with that. And btw, I contacted mods after "my" attacks in the past month, and was told, "I don't wanna deal with it".



They don't want to deal with it because you bring it on yourself and they and you know it.

[gldstwmn]

Also how is calling Mick a whore - which is what he is, selling out his services for money - an obscene vulgarity?

Because calling anyone whore is a vulgarity and meant to degrade... I can't believe I have to explain this.

[Sugar Mouse]

Mouse you don’t seem to really read people’s posts but just insist on pushing your own line of thinking on everyone and continuously derailing threads. That’s what you’ve been doing from day 1 in the first thread you joined.

I can easily look at the forum rules that you posted and say you broke most of them just in a week you’ve been here. I’m out of this discussion. I’ve posted before reading all the replies and others have stated it all much more eloquently than I ever could. Yet you still ignore all that and insist on your same points over and over. That’s not respectful discussion.

Posting one's views and discuss the glorious music is exactly the purpose of a band forum. Using offensive language and bullying other members isn't. However, apparently the moderators allow this sort of behavior by some members that use this forum to make themselves feel better.

[mitzo]

Mouse you don’t seem to really read people’s posts but just insist on pushing your own line of thinking on everyone and continuously derailing threads. That’s what you’ve been doing from day 1 in the first thread you joined.

I can easily look at the forum rules that you posted and say you broke most of them just in a week you’ve been here. I’m out of this discussion. I’ve posted before reading all the replies and others have stated it all much more eloquently than I ever could. Yet you still ignore all that and insist on your same points over and over. That’s not respectful discussion.

Lectures to newcomers about respectful discussion? Here?

[mitzo]

Lindsey should not have been abusive to women. I agree.

He may still be. We do not know, maybe he assaulted or threated to assault Stevie and that is why he got the boot?

[gldstwmn]

He may still be. We do not know, maybe he assaulted or threated to assault Stevie and that is why he got the boot?

No one knows what happened. I don't know any more about this than the day they confirmed it.

[HomerMcvie]

Unless you're Homer McVie and then it is... Welcome to The Ledge Sugar Mouse. :wavey:

I'm so happy you're back. :xoxo:

[AncientQueen]

He may still be. We do not know, maybe he assaulted or threated to assault Stevie and that is why he got the boot?
Now THAT would be a reason to fire him, wouldn't it. So don't you think professional victim Stevie would have milked that? Or - just as an idea - would have called the police? She is in no way dependent on Lindsey, has no reason to not file charges. And with the metoo movement, she would have made a difference for abuse victims, but still no.
So stop trying to make this angle happen, you are respectless towards the victims of abuse, just to find a reason that paints Stevie in a better light. That's unseemly.

[jwd]

Actually that last book or set of books that was leather bound was gorgeous and quite collectible. I just couldn't bring myself to pony up the $1200 or whatever it was.

I can think of a million other more practical things to spend $1200 on, no matter how beautiful Mick's books appear. That's just me. To each their own.

[button-lip]

Now THAT would be a reason to fire him, wouldn't it. So don't you think professional victim Stevie would have milked that? Or - just as an idea - would have called the police? She is in no way dependent on Lindsey, has no reason to not file charges. And with the metoo movement, she would have made a difference for abuse victims, but still no.
So stop trying to make this angle happen, you are respectless towards the victims of abuse, just to find a reason that paints Stevie in a better light. That's unseemly.

Oh, she would have milked that, no question about it. If she was capable of an ultimatum, she's capable of anything. Lindsey's family seems pretty sure of the angle they're pursuing. If Lindsey had done something wrong especially to Stevie, they wouldn't be speaking on social media with such authority.

[button-lip]

One of three scenarios come to mind.

1: They were being benevolent and kept her out of the decision out of respect for her musical partnership with Lindsey.

2: They went behind her back because they knew she would protest and vote no anyway.

3: They waited until she was gone so that she couldn’t convince John to vote with her, preventing Lindsey, Christine, and John from blocking Stevie and Mick.

I choose #3. I always thought things happened that way. They all know each other very much. Christine has no reason to side with Stevie more than with Lindsey. When she wanted to record new music, Stevie said 'no'. Lindsey said 'yes'. John would have voted what she voted.

That's why they're talking about 'majority rules'. Too bad they don't talk about how they got it.

[gldstwmn]

I'm so happy you're back. :xoxo:

Shouldn't you be spitting wine in a bucket right now?

[mitzo]

http://m.tmz.com/#2018/05/26/mick-fleetwood-denies-stevie-nicks-ultimatum-lindsey-buckingham/

Mick says more on the escalator but the microphone is off. Maybe something about Linds being abusive, or something.

[Dr.Brown]

Mick says more on the escalator but the microphone is off. Maybe something about Linds being abusive, or something.

FFS, maybe he was trying to say ditching Lindsey was the only way to keep Stevie from throttling him as she did back in '87. :rolleyes:

[mitzo]

Lindsey's family naturally would insinuate Stevie is the evil master of the "firing", she is daddy's ex and the years of onstage canoodling and speculation about the Stevie-Linds connections and Stevie still writing songs about it etc likely pissed Mommy and kids off.

[aleuzzi]

I agree--I think she knew more then she let on--She looked way too uncomfortable to not have been given some type of heads up what was coming. I honestly think everyone of them were withholding some truths a bit in that interview.

It’s very possible she knew more than she let on. However, it’s just as likely that the source of her discomfort in the interview was her being required to get behind the new lineup. She came out of retirement for this?

Whatever she knew or didn’t know, it’s pretty clear she’s still holding on out of loyalty to Mick. The lure of more tour $ doesn’t hurt. But if a chance to record new music with Lindsey, either as a duo or under the FM headline, presented itself, she’d likely have jumped at the opportunity.

[Angel75]

Whatever she knew or didn’t know, it’s pretty clear she’s still holding on out of loyalty to Mick. The lure of more tour $ doesn’t hurt. But if a chance to record new music with Lindsey, either as a duo or under the FM headline, presented itself, she’d likely have jumped at the opportunity.

Good point, Mick very well could have sold this new band setup and manipulated her into staying with Neil and Mike as 'Don't worry about Lindsey, he'll be fine....but hey we are going to make a new FM album....'

[AncientQueen]

Mick says more on the escalator but the microphone is off. Maybe something about Linds being abusive, or something.
That's just trolling the board.

[elle]

Mick says more on the escalator but the microphone is off. Maybe something about Linds being abusive, or something.

and................................ we are back right down in the mud. Anger MacBuser and Goat Coke van Butt round 500.

[SteveMacD]

I choose #3. I always thought things happened that way. They all know each other very much. Christine has no reason to side with Stevie more than with Lindsey. When she wanted to record new music, Stevie said 'no'. Lindsey said 'yes'. John would have voted what she voted.

That's why they're talking about 'majority rules'. Too bad they don't talk about how they got it.

We got new music last year. There was never going to be another album that had Stevie AND Lindsey on it. LBCM made that abundantly clear. I doubt new music factored into the decision to part with Lindsey or convince Christine to go along with the decision.

In any case, Christine publicly made it known that she wasn’t part of the decision and Lindsey’s “factions” comment supports that. There’s enough between the lines that we know how they got it.

[gldstwmn]

It is unusual for Mick to travel with a bodyguard. I hope some kook isn't legitimately threatening him over this latest brouhaha.
I'm surprised TMZ doesn't have Stevie staked out so they can ask her point blank.

[annabellee]

Oh, she would have milked that, no question about it. If she was capable of an ultimatum, she's capable of anything. Lindsey's family seems pretty sure of the angle they're pursuing. If Lindsey had done something wrong especially to Stevie, they wouldn't be speaking on social media with such authority.

From the fan fiction being perpetuated here, it's clear that this is Stevie and Mick's fault. We will never know what the truth is. This band, no matter what the incarnation, has never been honest with us, and if they attempted to do so, has always left us with music. And that's why we are here.

[SteveMacD]

It is unusual for Mick to travel with a bodyguard. I hope some kook isn't legitimately threatening him over this latest brouhaha.
I'm surprised TMZ doesn't have Stevie staked out so they can ask her point blank.

I’m guessing Stevie doesn’t travel commercial.

[SteveMacD]

From the fan fiction being perpetuated here, it's clear that this is Stevie and Mick's fault.

It’s not fan fiction when we go by what they say.


Lindsey said “certain factions within the band lost their perspective.”

Christine said she wasn’t part of the decision, and only learned about it when she got back to London.

Mick said that it was “muscle memory” in dealing with Lindsey, that they had reached an impasse, and had hit a brick wall.

And, Stevie talked about getting up and dancing every morning for the rest of her life.

Maybe the word “fault” is the wrong choice of word, but it’s pretty clear at how the situation came about.

[Sugar Mouse]

it’s pretty clear at how the situation came about.

The band has said that they fired Lindsey because he wouldn't tour for a year. Interestingly, Lindsey has not denied this.

If Lindsey was willing to tour, you'd think he would said something by now. However, Lindsey has not denied the band's story. No one associated with the Lindsey has denied the specifics of the story and said that Lindsey was willing to tour before next year.

I recently spoke with someone who works very closely with Lindsey and he confirmed that the band's story is essentially what actually happened. This person is a close associate of Lindsey and has no reason to tell me anything but the truth.

Despite the fact that I'm not aware of any evidence that the band's story isn't true, I know that almost everyone on this forum doesn't believe the band's story and instead believes that Lindsey was willing to tour and that Stevie and Mick conspired to fire the most important musical force in the band putting the band's future in doubt. It seems very unlikely that the band would fire their most important musical player without a legitimate cause.

Without resorting to name-calling and angry vitriol, I'm wondering if some of the "LindseyGate" conspiracy folks can post some concrete evidence that Lindsey was willing to tour this year and that there was, in fact, another reason for the firing. I'm open to that possibility, but would like to see some real evidence, such as a statement from someone with knowledge of the situation, and not the usual banter of name-calling aimed at Mick and Stevie.

For example, since he was fired, has Lindsey said he was willing to tour this year? Since the firing, has Lindsey denied the band's story? If he has, I haven't seen that denial.

I know Lindsey said in January that he was planning a Fleetwood Mac tour but he didn't say when that tour would be. My sources close to the band are telling me that Lindsey did plan to tour with Fleetwood Mac but in late 2019 and that was what he was referring to in that video from January. The band wanted to start the tour this fall and Lindsey wanted to put it off until late 2019.

Second, has Lindsey or someone associated with him or the band presented an alternate story or why the band fired him? If so, I haven't seen that.

If the conspiracy folks want to believe that Lindsey was willing to tour and the band's story is fiction then you need to come up with another plausible reason for why they would fire the band's central musical figure putting the band's future in jeopardy.

And you would need to present some evidence to support your theory of why Mick and Stevie would do this. Do you have any real evidence that's not conjecture? If so, please post it.

Lindsey did speak last week at that political benefit, but you may have noticed that he didn't deny the band's story. He simply said that the band has "lost perspective" which seems to, if anything, confirm rather than deny the band's account of events. He seemed to be implying that it was true that he wouldn't tour until 2019 and that the band had "lost perspective" by firing him rather than rescheduling the tour. Wouldn't he have denied the band's story and presented an alternate story if he believed that the band's story was fiction? It seems to me much more likely that Lindsey wanted to reschedule the tour until 2019 and the band didn't want to do that so they fired him which is exactly what the band is saying.

I know many of you believe that the band's story is a lie but do you all have any real objective evidence to support your belief or is it just based on gut feeling?

I'd be happy to be convinced that your theory has legs but I would need to see some real evidence such as someone close to the band presenting an alternative story.

If you don't have any real evidence, then you're simply spouting a conspiracy theory that has as much credibility as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

[AncientQueen]

I recently spoke with someone who works very closely with Lindsey...
This person is a close associate of Lindsey and has no reason to tell me anything but the truth.
My sources close to the band are telling me that Lindsey...

Ah, your sources at work again.
I like that, nice touch, too bad that I did not ever think of adding "sources" to my opinons to try and add some authority and depth.
On the other hand - it does not work THAT good anyway.

[Sugar Mouse]

Ah, your sources at work again.
I like that, nice touch, too bad that I did not ever think of adding "sources" to my opinons to try and add some authority and depth.

Yes, real evidence is a tough thing when it goes against your unsupported narrative. I have spoken with two people very close to Lindsey who confirmed the band's story. They said Lindsey wanted to put the tour off until 2019 and he assumed the band would comply. The band (Mick, John, and Stevie) didn't want to cancel the tour so they fired him.

[bombaysaffires]

calling someone (Mick) a "money whore" is not obscene. The term "money whore" means someone who has no scruples about wanting money and getting it however they can. Most comments I've seen use the word "whore" in this context.

[AncientQueen]

Yes, real evidence is a tough thing when it goes against your unsupported narrative. I have spoken with two people very close to Lindsey who confirmed the band's story.
The thing is, I'm not a liar.

[Sugar Mouse]

The thing is, I'm not a liar.

So what you're saying is that you have no evidence. That's fine but calling me a "liar" doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[Sugar Mouse]

The thing is, I'm not a liar.

Can you answer why neither Lindsey nor anyone associated with him has denied the band's story?

[AncientQueen]

You have no evidence, either.

[AncientQueen]

Can you answer why neither Lindsey nor anyone associated with him has denied the band's story?
Can you?

I would think that neither Lindsey nor the band can talk because of legal issues. IF the band booked venues before the firing, Lindsey may or may not is entitled to some of the profit and right now a bunch of lawyers are combing through the papers. And before they have sorted it all out, noone will say anything more.

[Sugar Mouse]

You have no evidence, either.

Actually I do. The band has told their side of the story. I have spoken with two people close to Lindsey who confirmed the story (you can believe this or not ... I don't care). Most importantly, Lindsey hasn't denied the story. No one in Lindsey's management has denied the story. Again, no one is denying the band's story. That's the evidence.

[Sugar Mouse]

Can you?

I would think that neither Lindsey nor the band can talk because of legal issues. IF the band booked venues before the firing, Lindsey may or may not is entitled to some of the profit and right now a bunch of lawyers are combing through the papers. And before they have sorted it all out, noone will say anything more.

Ok, at least that's an idea that could conceivably have some truth to it. You're saying that Lindsey won't say anything because his lawyer is telling him not to say anything. Then why did he make comments about it last week? He did talk about it but he just didn't deny the band's story. If he was told to keep him mouth shut then he wouldn't have said anything. And the band has done multiple interviews. Why would they have done that if lawyers are telling them to keep quiet? It's very unlikely Lindsey hasn't denied the story because his lawyer is telling him to keep quiet.

[bombaysaffires]

The band has said that they fired Lindsey because he wouldn't tour for a year. Interestingly, Lindsey has not denied this.

If Lindsey was willing to tour, you'd think he would said something by now. However, Lindsey has not denied the band's story. No one associated with the Lindsey has denied the specifics of the story and said that Lindsey was willing to tour before next year.

I recently spoke with someone who works very closely with Lindsey and he confirmed that the band's story is essentially what actually happened. This person is a close associate of Lindsey and has no reason to tell me anything but the truth.

Despite the fact that I'm not aware of any evidence that the band's story isn't true, I know that almost everyone on this forum doesn't believe the band's story and instead believes that Lindsey was willing to tour and that Stevie and Mick conspired to fire the most important musical force in the band putting the band's future in doubt. It seems very unlikely that the band would fire their most important musical player without a legitimate cause.

Without resorting to name-calling and angry vitriol, I'm wondering if some of the "LindseyGate" conspiracy folks can post some concrete evidence that Lindsey was willing to tour this year and that there was, in fact, another reason for the firing. I'm open to that possibility, but would like to see some real evidence, such as a statement from someone with knowledge of the situation, and not the usual banter of name-calling aimed at Mick and Stevie.

For example, since he was fired, has Lindsey said he was willing to tour this year? Since the firing, has Lindsey denied the band's story? If he has, I haven't seen that denial.

I know Lindsey said in January that he was planning a Fleetwood Mac tour but he didn't say when that tour would be. My sources close to the band are telling me that Lindsey did plan to tour with Fleetwood Mac but in late 2019 and that was what he was referring to in that video from January. The band wanted to start the tour this fall and Lindsey wanted to put it off until late 2019.

Second, has Lindsey or someone associated with him or the band presented an alternate story or why the band fired him? If so, I haven't seen that.

If the conspiracy folks want to believe that Lindsey was willing to tour and the band's story is fiction then you need to come up with another plausible reason for why they would fire the band's central musical figure putting the band's future in jeopardy.

And you would need to present some evidence to support your theory of why Mick and Stevie would do this. Do you have any real evidence that's not conjecture? If so, please post it.

Lindsey did speak last week at that political benefit, but you may have noticed that he didn't deny the band's story. He simply said that the band has "lost perspective" which seems to, if anything, confirm rather than deny the band's account of events. He seemed to be implying that it was true that he wouldn't tour until 2019 and that the band had "lost perspective" by firing him rather than rescheduling the tour. Wouldn't he have denied the band's story and presented an alternate story if he believed that the band's story was fiction? It seems to me much more likely that Lindsey wanted to reschedule the tour until 2019 and the band didn't want to do that so they fired him which is exactly what the band is saying.

I know many of you believe that the band's story is a lie but do you all have any real objective evidence to support your belief or is it just based on gut feeling?

I'd be happy to be convinced that your theory has legs but I would need to see some real evidence such as someone close to the band presenting an alternative story.

If you don't have any real evidence, then you're simply spouting a conspiracy theory that has as much credibility as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

put some effort into finding the video that has been posted several times of him talking the morning after the Musicares event saying clearly that he was expecting FM to tour this year and he planned to be part of it.

[AncientQueen]

Actually I do. The band has told their side of the story. I have spoken with two people close to Lindsey who confirmed the story (you can believe this or not ... I don't care). Most importantly, Lindsey hasn't denied the story. No one in Lindsey's management has denied the story. Again, no one is denying the band's story. That's the evidence.
I don't believe you. And what you call evidence is actually your biased interpretation of silence.

[AncientQueen]

Ok, at least that's an idea that could conceivably have some truth to it. You're saying that Lindsey won't say anything because his lawyer is telling him not to say anything. Then why did he make comments about it last week? He did talk about it but he just didn't deny the band's story. If he was told to keep him mouth shut then he wouldn't have said anything. And the band has done multiple interviews. Why would they have done that if lawyers are telling them to keep quiet? It's very unlikely Lindsey hasn't denied the story because his lawyer is telling him to keep quiet. You talked to some of their lawyers, too?

[SteveMacD]

The band has said that they fired Lindsey because he wouldn't tour for a year. Interestingly, Lindsey has not denied this.

Lindsey hasn’t said anything other than certain factions lost their perspective. He might not be allowed to say anything right now. It might also be why nobody in Lindsey’s camp has said anything substantial about what happened.

Despite the fact that I'm not aware of any evidence that the band's story isn't true, I know that almost everyone on this forum doesn't believe the band's story and instead believes that Lindsey was willing to tour and that Stevie and Mick conspired to fire the most important musical force in the band putting the band's future in doubt.

What I was saying is that the band, or at least Stevie and Mick, have gone out of their way to say “majority rules,” Christine said she wasn’t part of the decision, and Lindsey made a point to say “factions.” So, while the decision of WHY they parted ways with Lindsey is open to speculation, HOW they voted Lindsey out the band and WHO initiated the vote is actually pretty clear. I’m not putting any judgment on the decision, just saying how it was executed.

[dreamsunwind]

The band has said that they fired Lindsey because he wouldn't tour for a year. Interestingly, Lindsey has not denied this.

If Lindsey was willing to tour, you'd think he would said something by now. However, Lindsey has not denied the band's story. No one associated with the Lindsey has denied the specifics of the story and said that Lindsey was willing to tour before next year.

I recently spoke with someone who works very closely with Lindsey and he confirmed that the band's story is essentially what actually happened. This person is a close associate of Lindsey and has no reason to tell me anything but the truth.

Despite the fact that I'm not aware of any evidence that the band's story isn't true, I know that almost everyone on this forum doesn't believe the band's story and instead believes that Lindsey was willing to tour and that Stevie and Mick conspired to fire the most important musical force in the band putting the band's future in doubt. It seems very unlikely that the band would fire their most important musical player without a legitimate cause.

Without resorting to name-calling and angry vitriol, I'm wondering if some of the "LindseyGate" conspiracy folks can post some concrete evidence that Lindsey was willing to tour this year and that there was, in fact, another reason for the firing. I'm open to that possibility, but would like to see some real evidence, such as a statement from someone with knowledge of the situation, and not the usual banter of name-calling aimed at Mick and Stevie.

For example, since he was fired, has Lindsey said he was willing to tour this year? Since the firing, has Lindsey denied the band's story? If he has, I haven't seen that denial.

I know Lindsey said in January that he was planning a Fleetwood Mac tour but he didn't say when that tour would be. My sources close to the band are telling me that Lindsey did plan to tour with Fleetwood Mac but in late 2019 and that was what he was referring to in that video from January. The band wanted to start the tour this fall and Lindsey wanted to put it off until late 2019.

Second, has Lindsey or someone associated with him or the band presented an alternate story or why the band fired him? If so, I haven't seen that.

If the conspiracy folks want to believe that Lindsey was willing to tour and the band's story is fiction then you need to come up with another plausible reason for why they would fire the band's central musical figure putting the band's future in jeopardy.

And you would need to present some evidence to support your theory of why Mick and Stevie would do this. Do you have any real evidence that's not conjecture? If so, please post it.

Lindsey did speak last week at that political benefit, but you may have noticed that he didn't deny the band's story. He simply said that the band has "lost perspective" which seems to, if anything, confirm rather than deny the band's account of events. He seemed to be implying that it was true that he wouldn't tour until 2019 and that the band had "lost perspective" by firing him rather than rescheduling the tour. Wouldn't he have denied the band's story and presented an alternate story if he believed that the band's story was fiction? It seems to me much more likely that Lindsey wanted to reschedule the tour until 2019 and the band didn't want to do that so they fired him which is exactly what the band is saying.

I know many of you believe that the band's story is a lie but do you all have any real objective evidence to support your belief or is it just based on gut feeling?

I'd be happy to be convinced that your theory has legs but I would need to see some real evidence such as someone close to the band presenting an alternative story.

If you don't have any real evidence, then you're simply spouting a conspiracy theory that has as much credibility as the moon landing conspiracy theories.

Many other people with reliable 'sources' just like your so-called sources have claimed that the band is manipulating the story. Lindsey did ask to delay the tour but he dropped it once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen and started to make plans to do the solo dates he wanted in between the tour instead. But they threw him out anyways. Hence the vitriol from his family and the claims from other people close to him (actual people like Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band) saying that he wasn't making them delay anything, he was trying to plan two tours.

[dreamsunwind]

Can you answer why neither Lindsey nor anyone associated with him has denied the band's story?

People associated with him HAVE denied the band's story.

[SteveMacD]

Then why did he make comments about it last week? He did talk about it but he just didn't deny the band's story.

His comments at the fundraiser were completely benign as far as a legal case is concerned. I saw his comments as his way of addressing the elephant in the room without getting into the details that could possibly derail any legal case. All we learned from his comments is that he’s disappointed in their decision and its impact on their legacy, that he doesn’t blame everyone in the band, and that it opens up more opportunities in the long run.

[Sugar Mouse]

Many other people with reliable 'sources' just like your so-called sources have claimed that the band is manipulating the story. Lindsey did ask to delay the tour but he dropped it once it became obvious that wasn't going to happen and started to make plans to do the solo dates he wanted in between the tour instead. But they threw him out anyways. Hence the vitriol from his family and the claims from other people close to him (actual people like Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band) saying that he wasn't making them delay anything, he was trying to plan two tours.

Where are the quotes from Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band? I can't find those quotes online.

[SteveMacD]

he was trying to plan two tours.

And maybe that was part of the decision. Maybe they were getting external pressures to squash the solo tour.

[Sugar Mouse]

put some effort into finding the video that has been posted several times of him talking the morning after the Musicares event saying clearly that he was expecting FM to tour this year and he planned to be part of it.

I've watched that video many times. He doesn't say that the Mac tour would be this year. He simply says that he's hoping to do solo dates around a Mac tour. He never mentioned any dates.

[Sugar Mouse]

I don't believe you. And what you call evidence is actually your biased interpretation of silence.

I tend to believe something if one side says something and the other side doesn't refute the story or offer another story.

[dreamsunwind]

Where are the quotes from Rick Turner and a member of the BM backing band? I can't find those quotes online.

They were posted on here (both by Elle I believe). People in the band Facebook pages were obviously discussing it and they of them actually replied and shared what they knew. Elle got permission from Rick to post their conversation here, apparently Christine was even planning to join him on a few of those solo dates.

[Sugar Mouse]

Lindsey hasn’t said anything other than certain factions lost their perspective. He might not be allowed to say anything right now. It might also be why nobody in Lindsey’s camp has said anything substantial about what happened.



What I was saying is that the band, or at least Stevie and Mick, have gone out of their way to say “majority rules,” Christine said she wasn’t part of the decision, and Lindsey made a point to say “factions.” So, while the decision of WHY they parted ways with Lindsey is open to speculation, HOW they voted Lindsey out the band and WHO initiated the vote is actually pretty clear. I’m not putting any judgment on the decision, just saying how it was executed.

Yes. Mick/John/Stevie clashed with Lindsey about the tour schedule and then the band fired him.

[dreamsunwind]

And maybe that was part of the decision. Maybe they were getting external pressures to squash the solo tour.

I totally agree. And I can see why, it probably would have looked odd for the band to have one of their members doing separate shows in between their own tour. And maybe some financial/business conflicts related to it.
But it's still dirty business to do to someone who has put so much into the band after all these decades.

[Sugar Mouse]

They were posted on here (both by Elle I believe). People in the band Facebook pages were obviously discussing it and they of them actually replied and shared what they knew. Elle got permission from Rick to post their conversation here, apparently Christine was even planning to join him on a few of those solo dates.

Well, I've searched online and on this forum and can't find any quotes. I'm sure you can understand that just as you all don't believe that I've spoken with two sources, I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that.

[dreamsunwind]

I tend to believe something if one side says something and the other side doesn't refute the story or offer another story.

You should then also know that Lindsey pretty much never issues statements on anything. He just doesn't. He will probably talk about it later when he does whatever press that he does for his own excursions, but just issuing a statement saying "that's true or that's not true" is something he doesn't do. He said what he said at that political event because he was there and it was the 600 pound elephant in the room but he kept it very neutral and then just started talking about politics (obviously since it was a political event-- it wasn't an event for him).

[dreamsunwind]

Well, I've searched online and on this forum and can't find any quotes. I'm sure you can understand that just as you all don't believe that I've spoken with two sources, I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that.

Elle if you see this can you post the exchanges again? It was on here weeks ago and everyone saw it.

[Sugar Mouse]

You should then also know that Lindsey pretty much never issues statements on anything. He just doesn't. He will probably talk about it later when he does whatever press that he does for his own excursions, but just issuing a statement saying "that's true or that's not true" is something he doesn't do. He said what he said at that political event because he was there and it was the 600 pound elephant in the room but he kept it very neutral and then just started talking about politics (obviously since it was a political event-- it wasn't an event for him).

I'm open to new information when it becomes available. However, until Lindsey offer an alternative story, I believe the band's account of events. It's also possible that the story is somewhere in between. Perhaps Lindsey intended to honor the Fleetwood Mac tour, but hadn't fully communicated that to the band. Perhaps the band thought that he wouldn't take part in the tour, but Lindsey was intending to do so. That's possible.

[dreamsunwind]

Well, I've searched online and on this forum and can't find any quotes. I'm sure you can understand that just as you all don't believe that I've spoken with two sources, I will find it hard to trust that Elle had a conversation with Rick without some proof. I know you all don't know how trustworthy I am, but I have actually spoken with two sources; one in Lindsey's production team and one in his management team. That's all I can say about that.

Also, for about the past 15 years Lindsey's production team has consisted basically of Lindsey himself and in recent years occasionally Mitchell Froom/Mark Needham when the project has to be a little less weird.
And Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff. You expect people to believe that you suddenly became chat buddies with Irv Azoff and his people? Lol.

[Sugar Mouse]

Elle if you see this can you post the exchanges again? It was on here weeks ago and everyone saw it.

Was this Elle's account of her conversation or was it an online report? I'm sure you can understand that I can't take Elle's word for any conversation just as you won't take my word about my offline conversations. I'd like to see a Rick Turner post on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere like that.

[AncientQueen]

I tend to believe something if one side says something and the other side doesn't refute the story or offer another story.
Story as in fiction? That's all I get from your posts.

[dreamsunwind]

Was this Elle's account of her conversation or was it an online report? I'm sure you can understand that I can't take Elle's word for any conversation just as you won't take my word about my offline conversations. I'd like to see a Rick Turner post on Facebook or Twitter or somewhere like that.

It was literally just their entire exchange copied and pasted from a Facebook comment section.

[Sugar Mouse]

Also, for about the past 15 years Lindsey's production team has consisted basically of Lindsey himself and in recent years occasionally Mitchell Froom/Mark Needham when the project has to be a little less weird.
And Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff. You expect people to believe that you suddenly became chat buddies with Irv Azoff and his people? Lol.

Do you work in music management? Management teams have dozens of people on them. You can choose not to believe me. That's fine but it doesn't affect the truth of it.

[SteveMacD]

The problem with the Rick Turner chat is “That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.” While I certainly don’t question Rick’s integrity or the validity of the source, I question how much the source actually knows. Like, how many sides of the story did the source have?

[SteveMacD]

Do you work in music management? Management teams have dozens of people on them. You can choose not to believe me. That's fine but it doesn't affect the truth of it.

Lindsey was dropped by his management.

[AncientQueen]

I need more popcorn! :woohoo:

[dreamsunwind]

Do you work in music management? Management teams have dozens of people on them. You can choose not to believe me. That's fine but it doesn't affect the truth of it.

I'm aware. But considering that Lindsey's management is under the, according to Billboard, "most powerful man in the music industry" it's understandably pretty hard to believe that someone could all of a sudden 'meet' his people and get them to spill all their secrets. But if you insist!
And keep in mind there are other reliable people (who didn't just pop out of nowhere on a FM board) with reliable 'sources' like you (who claim their 'sources' to be far more realistic) who offer a contradictory story that they claim is 100% the truth as well.

[dreamsunwind]

I need more popcorn! :woohoo:

LOL. Same.

[button-lip]

I need more popcorn! :woohoo:

Are you staying for this movie? I think we have watched it many, many times for the past two months... ;)

[Sugar Mouse]

I'm aware. But considering that Lindsey's management is under the, according to Billboard, "most powerful man in the music industry" it's understandably pretty hard to believe that someone could all of a sudden 'meet' his people and get them to spill all their secrets. But if you insist!
And keep in mind there are other reliable people (who didn't just pop out of nowhere on a FM board) with reliable 'sources' like you (who claim their 'sources' to be far more realistic) who offer a contradictory story that they claim is 100% the truth as well.

That's fine. I'm happy to look at the evidence from these sources. Again, my best guess is that Lindsey may feel that he was willing to participate in this tour but that this information wasn't fully communicated to the band. It may be that the band still thought that he was backing out and wasn't aware that he had changed his mind and was going to participate. If so, that's really sad.

[Sugar Mouse]

The problem with the Rick Turner chat is “That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.” While I certainly don’t question Rick’s integrity or the validity of the source, I question how much the source actually knows. Like, how many sides of the story did the source have?

So Elle's source is that Rick Turner told her that someone told him that Lindsey was willing to tour. If so, that's third hand and unlikely to be valid.

[dreamsunwind]

That's fine. I'm happy to look at the evidence from these sources. Again, my best guess is that Lindsey may feel that he was willing to participate in this tour but that this information wasn't fully communicated to the band. It may be that the band still thought that he was backing out and wasn't aware that he had changed his mind and was going to participate. If so, that's really sad.

Lol Lindsey is not that stupid. I'm sure he made his change in plans perfectly clear but they threw him out anyways because they thought it's easier to just bring in new guys than to have to plan around Lindsey's wishes. Especially since one of those guys possibly brings with him the devoted fan base of another huge band. And so Stevie Nicks can dance around her apartment every morning.

[dreamsunwind]

So Elle's source is that Rick Turner told her that someone told him that Lindsey was willing to tour. If so, that's third hand and unlikely to be valid.

It's not third hand. It's Rick himself directly saying what he was told. Exactly the same thing as you claiming what you were told. Elle didn't say "Rick told me this" she literally just copied and pasted his comments directly. I even looked at the Facebook group myself when it got posted and saw them myself: Rick Turner himself saying this and that.

[SteveMacD]

So Elle's source is that Rick Turner told her that someone told him that Lindsey was willing to tour. If so, that's third hand and unlikely to be valid.

Elle posted the original conversation on Facebook. For some reason, she couldn’t get it to show up here, but it was a real conversation.

I don’t doubt the reliability/validity of Rick’s source. Rick is not the type who would comment about it if it wasn’t legitimate, especially if the source was at NAMM. That might very easily be a clue as to who he was talking to.

My concern is that it’s only one side of a story that is more complex than what that source understands.

[jmn3]

I swear...if I thought he knew anything about how to get on the internet, I'd say this Mouse is Mick in disguise. Mick/Mouse - c'mon it's not too big of a stretch :p

[Dr.Brown]

All claims of sources aside, use your brain. Lindsey's not an idiot and knows time is not on the band's side - never in a million years would he have demanded Fleetwood Mac not tour for nearly two years after MusiCares!

We are being trolled here once again by someone who keeps parroting this outlandish excuse.

[jmn3]

All claims of sources aside, use your brain. Lindsey's not an idiot and knows time is not on the band's side - never in a million years would he have demanded Fleetwood Mac not tour for nearly two years after MusiCares!

We are being trolled here once again by someone who keeps parroting this outlandish excuse.

Right!!! This is my thing...of course we don't have detailed accounts of EVERY SINGLE THING but most of us here have a pretty solid understanding of the band, and the internal politics of the last 20 years, give or take. I can make my informed opinion based upon what is out there, what has happened, and various other little comments and news over the years - in other words, I can use my brain to figure out what is going on.

[jmn3]

And until I hear from some reputable source (i.e. a quote from Lindsey, Stevie, Christine, Mick, or John), I refuse to believe Lindsey demanded the Fleetwood Mac tour not take place until late 2019 (I see we're going with "late" now instead of the more concrete "November 2019" from last week). There is absolutely no evidence of this, and it goes against EVERY SINGLE THING that they ALL have been saying for quite some time now.

After John's illness and Christine's limited capabilities and vocal range that Lindsey witnessed from 2014-17, there is simply no way he would have been demanding a two year break from the time of MusicCares until the tour commenced.

[Sugar Mouse]

Elle posted the original conversation on Facebook. For some reason, she couldn’t get it to show up here, but it was a real conversation.

I don’t doubt the reliability/validity of Rick’s source. Rick is not the type who would comment about it if it wasn’t legitimate, especially if the source was at NAMM. That might very easily be a clue as to who he was talking to.

My concern is that it’s only one side of a story that is more complex than what that source understands.

You all keep talking about this Facebook conversation with between Elle and Rick but I can't comment on that until I see it. No one has been able to find it.

[Sugar Mouse]

Right!!! This is my thing...of course we don't have detailed accounts of EVERY SINGLE THING but most of us here have a pretty solid understanding of the band, and the internal politics of the last 20 years, give or take. I can make my informed opinion based upon what is out there, what has happened, and various other little comments and news over the years - in other words, I can use my brain to figure out what is going on.

Sorry but I prefer actual evidence to what you think happened.

[SteveMacD]

I know enough about Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey from over thirty years of fandom and enough about the complexities of the music industry from first and second hand experience that I’m keeping an open mind about this.

If I fault the band for anything, it’s that they gave any reason for it. All that needed to be said was that, without getting into details, they felt they couldn’t continue with him in the band anymore and just leave it at that.

[jwd]

For those of you offended by the word "whore", for levity, and to showcase what we've lost in FM, I wanted to post this performance. I saw this live and was blown away!

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:cool:

[SteveMacD]

For those of you offended by the word "whore", for levity, and to showcase what we've lost in FM, I wanted to post this performance. I saw this live and was blown away!

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:cool:

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[Sugar Mouse]

I know enough about Fleetwood Mac and Lindsey from over thirty years of fandom and enough about the complexities of the music industry from first and second hand experience that I’m keeping an open mind about this.

If I fault the band for anything, it’s that they gave any reason for it. All that needed to be said was that, without getting into details, they felt they couldn’t continue with him in the band anymore and just leave it at that.

I've looked online and I can find nothing about Rick Turner saying the band's story is a lie. All I see is that every media story is reporting that Lindsey wouldn't tour until next year. No one associated with Lindsey has said anything publicly to contradict the band's story. Please post links to any media stories that I may have missed that contradict the band's story.

[SteveMacD]

You all keep talking about this Facebook conversation with between Elle and Rick but I can't comment on that until I see it. No one has been able to find it.

Here’s the transcript she posted here. It’s exactly what was posted on Facebook.

the whole convo -

Rick Turner At one point, Lindsey had proposed that both FM and he with his band tour at the same time with the LB band filling in dates between the FM shows. The report was that Stevie wanted at least a day between gigs; Lindsey wanted to play as much as possible. That's what I heard from a most reliable source at the NAMM show in January.

Elle Llewi heard the same. thanks so much for filling this in Rick!

Elle Llew Rick Turner is it ok if i quote this on The Ledge? it's a google-able place and people sometimes check there.

Rick Turner Elle Llew Sure. I think it just points out one point of contention. Maybe it looked to some as though LB was going to do really well touring hard; perhaps not doubling his money on the tour, but certainly getting in nearly twice the audience face tim...See More

Elle Llew Rick Turner 😪 this makes me sad even more. what a f**king shame!

Elle Llew (excuse my language)

Rick Turner The whole thing is a mess, and I'm sorry for them all. I've had some memorable moments with that crew!

Haley Clark So then tensions were already high at Musicares. Because NAMM and Musicares were the same weekend. Which is probably what led to Stevie and Lindsey having their fight. And the rest is history.

Felix Le Chat Rick this is the most disgusting thing to hear: all could have been avoided.
Give Stevie 2, 3 or even 4 days between shows. I wouldn’t mind to visit consecutive LB gigs 😜
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Pattie D I know for a fact that LB wanted to do a solo tour in between the FM tour. He did say that it was complicated and I guess he wasn't kidding.
I hope he gets to do the solo tour after all. I will not support Fleetwood Mac anymore.

Rick Turner Felix Le Chat Lindsey would have gotten more press than Stevie if they'd done a double tour like that.

Pattie D I really couldn't see Fleetwood Mac going along with his plans. What if people couldn't afford to see FM and went to see LB instead as it was more economical? Big problem.

Rick Turner Pattie D Would have to have been planned for different cities.

Pattie D I could see where that would get costly. Not to mention would the crew get any rest?

Elle Llew but that makes complete sense:

FM plays arena in downtown DC. LB solo plays the Fillmore in Silver Spring, MD.

FM plays MSG . LB solo plays Red Bank, NJ.

easy peasy!

Felix Le Chat Rick Turner : a logistical nightmare (aside from costs) 😝 to have it in different cities.
Most cities do have multiple venues. Although in this group the LB fan ship reels highly I do believe Lindsey would have been ok to play smaller venues than FM.

And I’m sure he got enough guitars 🎸 for 2 sets (if not you could probably help on that 😜)


Rick Turner Pattie D Well, it would just be two interlaced tours with some of the folks working practically every night. But that's what they do in musical theater...Broadway and off-Broadway actors do eight shows a week...six nights and two matinees. That's what professionals are capable of. At one point the Beach Boys were often enough doing two gigs on the same day, and on at least one day, they did three...in three different cities. Lot's of alimony to pay for those guys!

Pattie D Don't forget Providence after FM plays Boston, Elle. LOL

Elle LlewYPattie D i'm self serving ;)

Rick Turner It would have been doable. It just needed everyone's buy-in.

Pattie D Well sadly it's never going to happen now.

Elle Llew Felix Le Chat nope, wouldn't be. see above. FM plays cities, LB solo suburbs. works!



here's the link to these posts: https://www.facebook.com/groups/897240853723743/permalink/1665412200239934/

[jwd]

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:lol: that word again!!!!

[aleuzzi]

Many of us don't need evidence to be outraged with Mick and Stevie. His wishy-washy explanation in the CBS interview ("We don't like to use the word fired") and Stevie's comments about "certain people" not liking to do pre 1975 songs were annoying and predictable. Moreover, Stevie's VERY vocal complaints about working with Lindsey over the years, her insistence that she wants to have FUN in her remaining years (ie: she was NOT having fun with LB), and the all-too conspicuous timing of this "non-firing" with Mike Campbell's sudden availability due to Tom Petty's death--all of this has left a number of the fans of the band, people who have wanted a new FM record for over 15 years, more than frustrated. We're outright disgusted.

I don't need forensic evidence to see what is pretty much in plain sight to us all: LB was fired because Stevie and Mick wanted to tour and make quick, copious amounts of money doing what they've always done--performances of old material.We who had hoped the LB/CM collaboration could lead to MORE new music between two of the three songwriters still committed to creating new music are, well, pissed off.

Just my two cents.

[jwd]

Many of us don't need evidence to be outraged with Mick and Stevie. His wishy-washy explanation in the CBS interview ("We don't like to use the word fired") and Stevie's comments about "certain people" not liking to do pre 1975 songs were annoying and predictable. Moreover, Stevie's VERY vocal complaints about working with Lindsey over the years, her insistence that she wants to have FUN in her remaining years (ie: she was NOT having fun with LB), and the all-too conspicuous timing of this "non-firing" with Mike Campbell's sudden availability due to Tom Petty's death--all of this has left a number of the fans of the band, people who have wanted a new FM record for over 15 years, more than frustrated. We're outright disgusted.

I don't need forensic evidence to see what is pretty much in plain sight to us all: LB was fired because Stevie and Mick wanted to tour and make quick, copious amounts of money doing what they've always done--performances of old material.We who had hoped the LB/CM collaboration could lead to MORE new music between two of the three songwriters still committed to creating new music are, well, pissed off.

Just my two cents.

YES, YES, and YES! :thumbsup:

[lovethemac1]

I swear...if I thought he knew anything about how to get on the internet, I'd say this Mouse is Mick in disguise. Mick/Mouse - c'mon it's not too big of a stretch :p

I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SteveMacD]

all of this has left a number of the fans of the band, people who have wanted a new FM record for over 15 years, more than frustrated. We're outright disgusted.

But, calling it LBCM and using the “it just felt like a duet album” load of crap made it clear that we were never getting that. That WAS the new music from Fleetwood Mac.

We who had hoped the LB/CM collaboration could lead to MORE new music between two of the three songwriters still committed to creating new music are, well, pissed off.

I’m not convinced we won’t get new music from either LBCM or Fleetwood Mac. I wouldn’t be surprised if we got both, I also wouldn’t be surprised if we got neither, but I am more optimistic than not that we’ll get something new before too long.

[secondhandchain]

I shall.

You remind me of someone else who used to be here. Makes me wonder if they still check IP addresses, for duplicates...

I'm spelunking tomorrow. Then we're going to a winery. I hope you have a wonderful weekend, too.:angel:

I'm going to Aruba in 3 hours! Yippeee. Have fun Homer! BTW I remember back in the day when I was still a huge SN fan, I still thought your posts were funny. I was never offended by them and your avatar used to crack me the f up!

[Sugar Mouse]

Here’s the transcript she posted here. It’s exactly what was posted on Facebook.

Thanks for re-posting. I read through the whole Rick Turner exchange. Sounds like he got his information second or third hand so I suspect that he doesn't have the complete story. Even if he has the right story, it probably doesn't contradict the band's story.

Sounds like the band was planning a tour and Lindsey decided that he also wanted to have a solo tour in between Mac gigs. That's something that no promoter nor management team nor band would ever agree to for obvious reasons. The band was planning this tour for 1-2 years and then Lindsey decides he wants solo dates between Mac dates. That's a bit selfish don't you think? Why couldn't he wait until after the Mac tour?

I suspect the band and Lindsey went back and forth over various permutations and what may have happened is that eventually Lindsey proposed doing his solo tour first and then the Mac tour in 2019 and that may have been when the band pulled the plug and fired him. In Lindsey's mind, he was probably still planning on some version of a Mac tour. In the band's mind, Lindsey was being selfish and unreasonable in trying to change a tour that the other members were planning for a long time.

If that's close to the truth, I can't blame the band. No band would ever agree to have their lead guitarist/singer tour at the same time as the main band. And the drama that Lindsey was creating with a solo tour in parallel to a Mac tour was probably not worth it from the band's perspective.

[elle]

All claims of sources aside, use your brain. Lindsey's not an idiot and knows time is not on the band's side - never in a million years would he have demanded Fleetwood Mac not tour for nearly two years after MusiCares!

We are being trolled here once again by someone who keeps parroting this outlandish excuse.

i just looked through this thread. i gave this person link to that Rick Turner convo TWICE already. yet he/she keeps requesting it again and again claiming they never saw it and they looked oh so hard. facebook link works too. it's not worth it. they are here to troll and derail threads.

saying you supposedly trust somebody who may or may not work for Lindsey but you don't trust Lindsey or people who directly work with him makes no sense whatsoever. oh and supposedly you trust somebody you just met who works for Lindsey but not his wife or daughter? o.k. :rolleyes::]

another person to block, life is too short for such bs, and over and over and over.

[secondhandchain]

Thanks for re-posting. I read through the whole Rick Turner exchange. Sounds like he got his information second or third hand so I suspect that he doesn't have the complete story. Even if he has the right story, it probably doesn't contradict the band's story.

Sounds like the band was planning a tour and Lindsey decided that he also wanted to have a solo tour in between Mac gigs. That's something that no promoter nor management team nor band would ever agree to for obvious reasons. The band was planning this tour for 1-2 years and then Lindsey decides he wants solo dates between Mac dates. That's a bit selfish don't you think? Why couldn't he wait until after the Mac tour?

I suspect the band and Lindsey went back and forth over various permutations and what may have happened is that eventually Lindsey proposed doing his solo tour first and then the Mac tour in 2019 and that may have been when the band pulled the plug and fired him. In Lindsey's mind, he was probably still planning on some version of a Mac tour. In the band's mind, Lindsey was being selfish and unreasonable in trying to change a tour that the other members were planning for a long time.

If that's close to the truth, I can't blame the band. No band would ever agree to have their lead guitarist/singer tour at the same time as the main band. And the drama that Lindsey was creating with a solo tour in parallel to a Mac tour was probably not worth it from the band's perspective.

Really? Stevie held up tours for YEARS and when the WHOLE band wanted to record SHE didn't. But what happens to HER>.....NOTHING!!!! Stevie, "i had to tell the band we can only tour every three years" PLEASE not buying this explanation ONE bit.

[jmn3]

Sorry but I prefer actual evidence to what you think happened.

I would find it a shame if I was unable to critically think for myself and piece a story together on my own. I’m glad I am able to read between lines!

[jmn3]

Thanks for re-posting. I read through the whole Rick Turner exchange. Sounds like he got his information second or third hand so I suspect that he doesn't have the complete story. Even if he has the right story, it probably doesn't contradict the band's story.

Sounds like the band was planning a tour and Lindsey decided that he also wanted to have a solo tour in between Mac gigs. That's something that no promoter nor management team nor band would ever agree to for obvious reasons. The band was planning this tour for 1-2 years and then Lindsey decides he wants solo dates between Mac dates. That's a bit selfish don't you think? Why couldn't he wait until after the Mac tour?

I suspect the band and Lindsey went back and forth over various permutations and what may have happened is that eventually Lindsey proposed doing his solo tour first and then the Mac tour in 2019 and that may have been when the band pulled the plug and fired him. In Lindsey's mind, he was probably still planning on some version of a Mac tour. In the band's mind, Lindsey was being selfish and unreasonable in trying to change a tour that the other members were planning for a long time.

If that's close to the truth, I can't blame the band. No band would ever agree to have their lead guitarist/singer tour at the same time as the main band. And the drama that Lindsey was creating with a solo tour in parallel to a Mac tour was probably not worth it from the band's perspective.

The hypocrisy in your post is unbelievable. I really am starting to think you are Mick Fleetwood.

[dreamsunwind]

Thanks for re-posting. I read through the whole Rick Turner exchange. Sounds like he got his information second or third hand so I suspect that he doesn't have the complete story. Even if he has the right story, it probably doesn't contradict the band's story.

Sounds like the band was planning a tour and Lindsey decided that he also wanted to have a solo tour in between Mac gigs. That's something that no promoter nor management team nor band would ever agree to for obvious reasons. The band was planning this tour for 1-2 years and then Lindsey decides he wants solo dates between Mac dates. That's a bit selfish don't you think? Why couldn't he wait until after the Mac tour?

I suspect the band and Lindsey went back and forth over various permutations and what may have happened is that eventually Lindsey proposed doing his solo tour first and then the Mac tour in 2019 and that may have been when the band pulled the plug and fired him. In Lindsey's mind, he was probably still planning on some version of a Mac tour. In the band's mind, Lindsey was being selfish and unreasonable in trying to change a tour that the other members were planning for a long time.

If that's close to the truth, I can't blame the band. No band would ever agree to have their lead guitarist/singer tour at the same time as the main band. And the drama that Lindsey was creating with a solo tour in parallel to a Mac tour was probably not worth it from the band's perspective.

Not really considering that The Pretenders just did that on their tour with Stevie.
But that's besides the point. The underlying reason people are so mad here is because there's a big huge double standard here. Stevie Nicks has delayed Fleetwood Mac so many times you can hardly count them. Fairly recently, she delayed an entire tour by a full year and even bragged about doing so during press for her solo documentary. She refused to record an album that every single other band member wanted, leaving them to release it as a duo between the two other singers with the other two musicians playing on. To other bands, that's a pretty bizarre thing and they probably wouldn't have allowed it. But of course because it was Stevie, that's what happened. And personally I don't think it's too selfish of Lindsey to ask the band for this considering how much-- including more than one of his own solo projects-- he's given them over the years. Drama sure, but selfish? He poured so much work into that band I think they should've tried to give him this, since they undoubtably always have and would have continued to do anything Stevie asked even though she's treated FM like a sidepiece for years, just because she's the cash cow.

[jmn3]

For those of you offended by the word "whore", for levity, and to showcase what we've lost in FM, I wanted to post this performance. I saw this live and was blown away!

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:cool:

I’ve always been struck by how much better a song this was live. This is he kind of energy that Lindsey brought to the shows and I for one wouldn’t care to see this band without him.

[button-lip]

The hypocrisy in your post is unbelievable. I really am starting to think you are Mick Fleetwood.

He truly sounds like Mick and talks like Mick. If we can make him say "fired is such an awful word!", then our work here is done. :laugh::laugh:

I guess he and Stevie realized how powerful social media are and decided to create some profiles to be here. Expect to meet Karen in a couple of days... :laugh::laugh:

[button-lip]

I’ve always been struck by how much better a song this was live. This is he kind of energy that Lindsey brought to the shows and I for one wouldn’t care to see this band without him.

I really, really hope he includes "Come" on his solo setlist. And I agree with you. His energy will be focused on his solo tours and on his true fans. :angel:

[jwd]

I’ve always been struck by how much better a song this was live. This is he kind of energy that Lindsey brought to the shows and I for one wouldn’t care to see this band without him.


I can't see Neil Finn or Mike Campbell coming close to this level of energy that Lindsey brought. Lindsey was the ROCK in FM!

[SteveMacD]

Even if he has the right story, it probably doesn't contradict the band's story.

That’s my whole point. There’s not enough information from any of them, probably for good reason, to know WHY it happened and WHAT actually went down.

Sounds like the band was planning a tour and Lindsey decided that he also wanted to have a solo tour in between Mac gigs. That's something that no promoter nor management team nor band would ever agree to for obvious reasons. The band was planning this tour for 1-2 years and then Lindsey decides he wants solo dates between Mac dates. That's a bit selfish don't you think? Why couldn't he wait until after the Mac tour?

No. I think his label changed its plans on how to release an album of his. I think he was originally planning on a solo tour before Fleetwood Mac’s, but the release date for his upcoming solo album got pushed back. So he may have been forced into sn awkward situation.

I agree that a concurrent tour was never going to fly, even if the others agreed with him in principle, because of external pressures (i.e. promoters).

[secondhandchain]

Yes his label pushed back his album release. Not his fault.

[SteveMacD]

The underlying reason people are so mad here is because there's a big huge double standard here. Stevie Nicks has delayed Fleetwood Mac so many times you can hardly count them. Fairly recently, she delayed an entire tour by a full year and even bragged about doing so during press for her solo documentary.

I thought they should have fired her back then, or at least form a new entity, but the equation today is very different than it was back then. Christine, the eldest in a bunch of already old people, is back and John has had cancer. There’s an urgency now that wasn’t there before.

But of course because it was Stevie, that's what happened...since they undoubtably always have and would have continued to do anything Stevie asked even though she's treated FM like a sidepiece for years, just because she's the cash cow.

It became clear to me that her people were calling the shots when they went out of their way to call it “a duet album” (even though there were no actual duets) and not calling her out. But, they play arenas with Stevie and smaller amphitheaters without her. Money.

[jmn3]

I can't see Neil Finn or Mike Campbell coming close to this level of energy that Lindsey brought. Lindsey was the ROCK in FM!

I think the shows will be technically proficient. Mike is an incredible guitar player and from what I have seen of Neil, he will certainly be able to sing the songs with some level of credibility. But there won’t be the same passion or energy as there is when the Rumours 5 are on the stage at once. Lindsey’s maniacal energy on stage is vastly needed when the rest of the band just sort of stand there (Mick is the exception, whore that he is, he does his best to bring a ton of energy from his drum kit).

[jwd]

I think the shows will be technically proficient. Mike is an incredible guitar player and from what I have seen of Neil, he will certainly be able to sing the songs with some level of credibility. But there won’t be the same passion or energy as there is when the Rumours 5 are on the stage at once. Lindsey’s maniacal energy on stage is vastly needed when the rest of the band just sort of stand there (Mick is the exception, whore that he is, he does his best to bring a ton of energy from his drum kit).

Yes, I completely agree. Besides a one off Stevie leg kick :p or Mick's insane drumming, Lindsey is the vast majority of the energy on stage. Did you just say whore?!

[jmn3]

Yes, I completely agree. Besides a one off Stevie leg kick :p or Mick's insane drumming, Lindsey is the vast majority of the energy on stage. Did you just say whore?!

:D perhaps??

[HomerMcvie]

I'm going to Aruba in 3 hours! Yippeee. Have fun Homer! BTW I remember back in the day when I was still a huge SN fan, I still thought your posts were funny. I was never offended by them and your avatar used to crack me the f up!

Thank you!!!:xoxo:

I think Bella Donna is one of the greatest albums of all time! Hard to believe where she's fallen from that zenith.

I enjoy your posts as well. Enjoy Aruba!

[SteveMacD]

What, the Crackhead Dance doesn’t count???

[jwd]

:D perhaps??

I'm a reportin you!

[jwd]

What, the Crackhead Dance doesn’t count???

Oh yeah I forgot that. That's where she throws her back out. Thanks for your sacrifices Stevie!

[jmn3]

Oh yeah I forgot that. That's where she throws her back out. Thanks for your sacrifices Stevie!

Well, being in Fleetwood Mac IS like being in the army.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm reporting Y'ALL if you don't stop using that word to describe sweet, sweet, Mick. He's a saint!!!!


Sorry, he's probably the best known WHORE in the music business. He'd sell Biddy's used underwear if he could make a nickle off of it.

[secondhandchain]

I'm reporting Y'ALL if you don't stop using that word to describe sweet, sweet, Mick. He's a saint!!!!


Sorry, he's probably the best known WHORE in the music business. He'd sell Biddy's used underwear if he could make a nickle off of it.

Why you vulgar, thing you! I mean I've been to his place in Maui. You know when you have to go through a souvenier store in Disney to get to a ride......?

[HomerMcvie]

Why you vulgar, thing you! I mean I've been to his place in Maui. You know when you have to go through a souvenier store in Disney to get to a ride......?

I'm bad. I need a spanking, I guess. Wonder what Mick would charge to administer one? $5?:wavey:

[justcrazylove]

What, the Crackhead Dance doesn’t count???

Please don't use the term crackhead, that is so offensive to me and my friends who happen to be crackheads! in fairness we are whores too, but crackhead is so much more offensive to my delicate ears.

[jwd]

Oh and of course, let's not forget these. Go Stevie!

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[gldstwmn]

I’m guessing Stevie doesn’t travel commercial.

She does to Hawaii.

[SteveMacD]

Please don't use the term crackhead, that is so offensive to me and my friends who happen to be crackheads! in fairness we are whores too, but crackhead is so much more offensive to my delicate ears.

So then calling it the Crack Whore Dance would be a bannable offense???

[HomerMcvie]

So then calling it the Crack Whore Dance would be a bannable offense???

Back in the day of the Great Ledge Implosion(2007), people were bant for even posting pics of animal's posteriors.

[SteveMacD]

Back in the day of the Great Ledge Implosion(2007), people were bant for even posting pics of animal's posteriors.

What?!? No doggie butts???

[michelej1]

Back in the day of the Great Ledge Implosion(2007), people were bant for even posting pics of animal's posteriors.

Oh, you KNOW it wasn’t about the horse.:p

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, you KNOW it wasn’t about the horse.:p

I've always loved horses. Butt not horse's asses.:p

[mitzo]

I’ve always been struck by how much better a song this was live. This is he kind of energy that Lindsey brought to the shows and I for one wouldn’t care to see this band without him.

A masterpiece. So moved, I cannot help but steal a line for my signature.

[jmn3]

I'm reporting Y'ALL if you don't stop using that word to describe sweet, sweet, Mick. He's a saint!!!!


Sorry, he's probably the best known WHORE in the music business. He'd sell Biddy's used underwear if he could make a nickle off of it.

How one could be the owner of the name Fleetwood Mac and still go bankrupt multiple times is beyond me. If the term whore can’t be applied to Mr. Fleetwood then I don’t know where it can be applied.

[HomerMcvie]

How one could be the owner of the name Fleetwood Mac and still go bankrupt multiple times is beyond me. If the term whore can’t be applied to Mr. Fleetwood then I don’t know where it can be applied.

He obviously has no clue about living within his means. He wants Stevie's lifestyle, when he probably doesn't make 10% of what she does. But he's never "got that". Spend, spend, spend, even when it stops coming in....OOPS, I'm bankrupt again!!! #dumbass

[jbrownsjr]

God, I just caught up this read. I'm in Europe.

Love Homer.. why would anyone take his banter personal or seriously is beyond me.

Don't need to be telling folks to shut it.. but the walls are not tumbling down. So let's do away with that.

We have freedom of speech.. try not to be too vulgar and too sensitive... You all need to govern yourselves accordingly.. there.. I moderated... :xoxo:

Having said that.. some really interesting discussion on the Mick video. I'm so over them. I'm love Tony's take. It's really spot on.

Been enjoying BuckVie so much. The album gets better and better..

Cheers to the new folks.. cheers to the old timers..

[sue]

He obviously has no clue about living within his means. He wants Stevie's lifestyle, when he probably doesn't make 10% of what she does. But he's never "got that". Spend, spend, spend, even when it stops coming in....OOPS, I'm bankrupt again!!! #dumbass



Maybe he’s just plain stupid where money’s concerned(or just plain stupid)
He has had 3 divorces however and maybe his lawyer wasn’t upto scratch.

John, who must earn approx. the same amount, seems to exist on the paltry amount.

[SteveMacD]

He obviously has no clue about living within his means. He wants Stevie's lifestyle, when he probably doesn't make 10% of what she does. But he's never "got that". Spend, spend, spend, even when it stops coming in....OOPS, I'm bankrupt again!!! #dumbass

I think it’s bad enough that he has his accountant set up an allowance for him.

[HomerMcvie]

Maybe he’s just plain stupid where money’s concerned(or just plain stupid)
He has had 3 divorces however and maybe his lawyer wasn’t upto scratch.

John, who must earn approx. the same amount, seems to exist on the paltry amount.

John used to ride back to the hotels with the crew, after the shows, because the money for his limo went into his bank account instead!

That's a man after my own heart.

But I think you're right. In many ways, Mick's an idiot.

[Storms123]

And until I hear from some reputable source (i.e. a quote from Lindsey, Stevie, Christine, Mick, or John), I refuse to believe Lindsey demanded the Fleetwood Mac tour not take place until late 2019 (I see we're going with "late" now instead of the more concrete "November 2019" from last week). There is absolutely no evidence of this, and it goes against EVERY SINGLE THING that they ALL have been saying for quite some time now.

After John's illness and Christine's limited capabilities and vocal range that Lindsey witnessed from 2014-17, there is simply no way he would have been demanding a two year break from the time of MusicCares until the tour commenced.


100% this---All of them, before the great breakup of 2018 were saying they were touring in 2018. Lindsey and Christine said as much during Buckvie press. I think the behavior of the band in both interviews speaks to how backhanded the situation is. If they were telling the truth--they would not have been as uncomfortable as they are.
All of these "sources" want to get the story out their that views them in a more positive light and as the "injured" party--except for Mick who will take any press he can get. The only "sources" I think can be believed are the Rumours 5--until they speak--it's all speculation.
All 5 of them are coming across as overindulged, catered to juveniles. The only one who has come across remotely as an adult is Mike Campbell--his statement was classy and respectful.

[SteveMacD]

The only one who has come across remotely as an adult is Mike Campbell--his statement was classy and respectful.

Mike and Neil have said nothing but glowing things about Lindsey. They’re innocent bystanders in all of this.

[sodascouts]

I think it’s bad enough that he has his accountant set up an allowance for him.
At least he's learned he needs to do this. Hopefully it will keep him from going bankrupt yet again.

Rock star: "I can afford to buy seven houses!" Accountant: "Yes, but can you afford years of paying all the property taxes, upkeep, etc. on all those houses in addition to all the other purchases you're going to make? Those houses will wind up costing you a great deal more than their asking price over the years." Rock star: "Er... oh."

I do think another reason he went bankrupt is his tendency to pour money into ill-conceived business ventures. One can understand those electronic drum things he did a while back although that failed, but there was also the wine, the jewelry(!), etc... investments that didn't pay off.

[SteveMacD]

John used to ride back to the hotels with the crew, after the shows, because the money for his limo went into his bank account instead!

That's a man after my own heart.

Plus, I’m sure the crew had way better post-show parties.

[Hawkeye]

John used to ride back to the hotels with the crew, after the shows, because the money for his limo went into his bank account instead!

That's a man after my own heart.

But I think you're right. In many ways, Mick's an idiot.


WOW!!! I did not think I could love John more then I already did but I Do now.


And another first, it looks like we agree on something for a change. An appreciation for people who understand the value of money and know how to use it properly. I would handle my money exactly like John. I’m not saying I wouldn’t spend quite a bit as does John (a boat for example) but I feel John is more deserving of his bait because he sacrificed to be that rich and was smart.

[Hawkeye]

And how do you guys know all of this about Mick’s spending and allowances? Is it all in his books he wrote? Because I haven’t read any of them. Should I?

[Storms123]

Mike and Neil have said nothing but glowing things about Lindsey. They’re innocent bystanders in all of this.

I haven't seen anything from Neil--have heard some of what he's said about Lindsey on the FM channel, and yes very respectful.
The took a gig--pure and simple. I don't hold it against them. I do, however, wonder if now they are like "WTF did we get into"

[bwboy]

God, I just caught up this read. I'm in Europe.

Love Homer.. why would anyone take his banter personal or seriously is beyond me.

Cheers to the new folks.. cheers to the old timers..

Yeah, taking banter about abortion and Hitler seriously, what were we thinking? Funny stuff! :laugh::] And telling a new person on the Ledge to shut up- that was banter and shouldn't have been taken seriously?

Glad you like Homer, but defending what he said as banter? That's a little like what Jason Bateman said recently. I love you jbrown, I think you're awesome, but if you really think Homer is trying to be funny when he brings up abortion...

[jbrownsjr]

Yeah, taking banter about abortion and Hitler seriously, what were we thinking? Funny stuff! :laugh::] And telling a new person on the Ledge to shut up- that was banter and shouldn't have been taken seriously?

Glad you like Homer, but defending what he said as banter? That's a little like what Jason Bateman said recently. I love you jbrown, I think you're awesome, but if you really think Homer is trying to be funny when he brings up abortion...

Thanks for the love Bwboy. Not many Stevie defenders like me. Love you back..

[SteveMacD]

And how do you guys know all of this about Mick’s spending and allowances? Is it all in his books he wrote? Because I haven’t read any of them. Should I?

It’s old, but well worth a look.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/1997/11/30/business/talking-money-with-mick-fleetwood-there-s-no-stopping-tomorrow.html

[gldstwmn]

One can understand those electronic drum things he did a while back although that failed, but there was also the wine, the jewelry(!), etc... investments that didn't pay off.

There was jewelry? I must have missed that one.

[gldstwmn]

And how do you guys know all of this about Mick’s spending and allowances? Is it all in his books he wrote? Because I haven’t read any of them. Should I?

One of them is on sale at Barnes and Noble for $6.

[sodascouts]

There was jewelry? I must have missed that one.

Well, it was about 15 years ago. He sold it off his official site, IIRC. It was supposed to be African or something. Didn't last long.

[Macfan4life]

Mick better practice up on his answers because he's doing another meet and greet. I would not be surprised if before they start the fans are told "NO LINDSEY QUESTIONS"

[bwboy]

Thanks for the love Bwboy. Not many Stevie defenders like me. Love you back..

:thumbsup: and welcome back!