Mick denies Stevie Nicks kicked Lindsey out of

[Dr.Brown]

LOL...Not going to pay $500.00 to hear a cover of "GYOW" or "World IS Turning"

Not to mention "Large Love" and deep cuts like "Oh Hell" and "Man of the Year".
:p

[jmn3]

Not to mention "Large Love" and deep cuts like "Oh Hell" and "Man of the Year".
:p

Large Love just cracks me up. Probably due to my maturity level being that of a 14 year old. Lol

“Hold, You,” “Thunder Only Happens When It’s Raining,” and “Big Lies” better be there too.

[bombaysaffires]

I think Tom's death totally had to do with it, but not in the way that you're describing. I don't think it impacted anyone's attitudes towards touring, etc. I just think that his death messed with her head. It was very sudden and unexpected and she was and probably still is totally heartbroken about it. She's someone who doesn't handle grief very well and I just think it messed with her perspective on things. Like she said now she wants to dance around her room every morning and not have a care in the world, I think his death influenced that because it made her think she needs to live the rest of her life being as 'happy' as she can because, exactly like she said in her own words in that interview, if that could happen to Tom it could happen to anyone. And so she thinks that not having to deal with the hassle of her up/down battle of the wills with Lindsey will play a part in giving her that happiness which is why she felt the need to bring that up in the interview. But if I know a single thing about Stevie Nicks, I am sure that she's gonna get out of that headspace eventually and regardless of what you know/believe/think her role in this was, she's gonna feel a deep regret that she let this happen.

We will have to respectfully disagree on this one.

I think she saw an opening and she took it. Total power play. Not grief. :shrug:

[AncientQueen]

I think that people will buy tickets only after the tour has started and only if some positive reviews come out. Right now, buying tickets makes not so much sense, no matter how much the band stresses that LB was just another guitar player, he was the sound architect, the driving force behind the tours in the last decades. And me thinks that people liked the band as she was. Adding confusion is the fact that FM now wants to play older stuff, with neither Neil nor Mike being blues musicians at all. I cannot imagine how this mish-mash of blues, pop, rock and country influences will sound, especially with the limited abilities of Stevies voice and due to Chistines (Mick and Johns) aging. And frankly, I would not pay such an amount af money to be their guinean pig.

[BlanketMan]

I think that people will buy tickets only after the tour has started and only if some positive reviews come out. Right now, buying tickets makes not so much sense, no matter how much the band stresses that LB was just another guitar player, he was the sound architect, the driving force behind the tours in the last decades. And me thinks that people liked the band as she was. Adding confusion is the fact that FM now wants to play older stuff, with neither Neil nor Mike being blues musicians at all. I cannot imagine how this mish-mash of blues, pop, rock and country influences will sound, especially with the limited abilities of Stevies voice and due to Chistines (Mick and Johns) aging. And frankly, I would not pay such an amount af money to be their guinean pig.

That's my thinking, also. Our local shows aren't until next spring, so I'm waiting to see how the early shows go. If the reviews are strong and YouTube videos sound good, I'll probably snag a ticket for a March 2019 show. Especially considering the lagging ticket sales, I can't think of a compelling reason to buy tix now.

[TheWildHeart67]

That's my thinking, also. Our local shows aren't until next spring, so I'm waiting to see how the early shows go. If the reviews are strong and YouTube videos sound good, I'll probably snag a ticket for a March 2019 show. Especially considering the lagging ticket sales, I can't think of a compelling reason to buy tix now.
I find it strange how tickets go on sale nationwide for entire tours now, instead of going on sale per venues and/or specific areas.

[jwd]

Not to mention "Large Love" and deep cuts like "Oh Hell" and "Man of the Year".
:p

:laugh: And the one that Chris is going to dedicate to Mick, "Oh Grandpa". And Stevie's going to reintroduce her solo hit, "My Back" to the Mac set list.
"I'm Getting Ancient Too"....................... :)

[Storms123]

We will have to respectfully disagree on this one.

I think she saw an opening and she took it. Total power play. Not grief. :shrug:

I actually can see both sides of this and agree, so I am not going to opine, HOWEVER, don't you think this is the narrative she will spin IF LB ever makes a return. Didn't she blame her spat with Nicki Minaj on grief after her mom passed away?

[secondhandchain]

My 21 year old niece is a huge Stevie fan...well she was. I just saw her and mentioned to someone she was a fan. She said "well I was, not anymore", referencing her role in LB's departure.

[SorcererJP]

I think that people will buy tickets only after the tour has started and only if some positive reviews come out. pig.

I expect(ed) them not to play Europe anymore this round, so I bought myself a ticket for MSG. Bought it in the pre-sale with a bit of FOMO. Will fly in from The Netherlands that week. It was on my bucket list to fly to the US to see a Sevie/Mac-concert, since she/they did not perform in Holland/Europe tour after tour after tour.

I became a fan in 1987/1988 after watching the Tango-concert on TV. To me FM ws with Billy and Rick. Only after I spent an evening at Lindsey's feet on front row in Antwerp 2009, I became a fan of his work and performance. Yes, I'll miss him, but I'll give the rest of the band a fair chance. And I feel sad about all the hate overhere ...

I'm a bit surprised tickets don't go so fast. But, I agree, maybe people will wait how the shows will turn out ... I saw that they'll play Newark two days after the MSG-show, maybe I'll go twice, since I'm at that side of the pond ... If I can can return to Manhattan at night after the show :-)

[paleshadow]

I find it strange how tickets go on sale nationwide for entire tours now, instead of going on sale per venues and/or specific areas.


Me too. It kind of stinks because you don't have as much time to save for a show that's well over a year away.

[Neal]

I find it strange how tickets go on sale nationwide for entire tours now, instead of going on sale per venues and/or specific areas.

The scalpers/brokers love it.

Just another corrupt practice by the monopoly that is Ticketmaster/Live Nation... :distress:

[Dr.Brown]

The scalpers/brokers love it.

Just another corrupt practice by the monopoly that is Ticketmaster/Live Nation... :distress:

True, it's disgusting but now at least with this tour and the lineup change it might just end up biting them in the a$$. Karma at last. :D

[Storms123]

True, it's disgusting but now at least with this tour and the lineup change it might just end up biting them in the a$$. Karma at last. :D


I think it's going to wind up biting a lot of people in the caboose! :laugh:

[elle]

I expect(ed) them not to play Europe anymore this round, so I bought myself a ticket for MSG. Bought it in the pre-sale with a bit of FOMO. Will fly in from The Netherlands that week. It was on my bucket list to fly to the US to see a Sevie/Mac-concert, since she/they did not perform in Holland/Europe tour after tour after tour.

I became a fan in 1987/1988 after watching the Tango-concert on TV. To me FM ws with Billy and Rick. Only after I spent an evening at Lindsey's feet on front row in Antwerp 2009, I became a fan of his work and performance. Yes, I'll miss him, but I'll give the rest of the band a fair chance. And I feel sad about all the hate overhere ..

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

I read many many many places how Mick sided with Stevie vs Lindsey because Stevie in the band means arena shows. Well, even though it may turn out more-less ok for them in the end, does not seem that arena shows are what they can sell right now!

Buckvie didn’t sell out many of their shows since they couldn’t ride Fleetwood Mac brand and nobody knew their names. But even with FM brand name and with Nicks in the band, FM don’t seem to be able to sell arenas now without Lindsey.

[Storms123]

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

I read many many many places how Mick sided with Stevie vs Lindsey because Stevie in the band means arena shows. Well, even though it may turn out more-less ok for them in the end, does not seem that arena shows are what they can sell right now!

Buckvie didn’t sell out many of their shows since they couldn’t ride Fleetwood Mac brand and nobody knew their names. But even with FM brand name and with Nicks in the band, FM don’t seem to be able to sell arenas now without Lindsey.

FM is about the band---all 5 of them and the chemistry they generate. LB is a force front and center. The guy doesn't take a break and if you are fortunate to be anywhere near that on the floor--it ignites something. And Stevie feeds on it, as does the rest of the band...that's what makes it such a great experience.

[dreamsunwind]

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

I read many many many places how Mick sided with Stevie vs Lindsey because Stevie in the band means arena shows. Well, even though it may turn out more-less ok for them in the end, does not seem that arena shows are what they can sell right now!

Buckvie didn’t sell out many of their shows since they couldn’t ride Fleetwood Mac brand and nobody knew their names. But even with FM brand name and with Nicks in the band, FM don’t seem to be able to sell arenas now without Lindsey.

I think a lot of it is the ticket prices and lack of proper promotion (at least so far). The prices are the highest they've ever been for any of their tours which is just ridiculous. And aside from the CBS interview, they hardly done any press to let people know tickets are even on sale. Maybe they're avoiding press so people won't notice the elephant in the room or maybe they don't plan on doing it until much closer to the shows but I don't think that's the smartest tactic for them. If they want to start selling some more they need to make a price drop and then actually PROMOTE that. However I do agree the Lindsey situation probably has quite a bit to do with it. I was kinda surprised by all the negative backlash. I thought most people wouldn't even really care because they just want to hear hits and they can do that with or without him but there's been soooooo much negativity about it online. Even casual fans were like "wtf".

[louielouie2000]

I think a lot of it is the ticket prices and lack of proper promotion (at least so far). The prices are the highest they've ever been for any of their tours which is just ridiculous. And aside from the CBS interview, they hardly done any press to let people know tickets are even on sale. Maybe they're avoiding press so people won't notice the elephant in the room or maybe they don't plan on doing it until much closer to the shows but I don't think that's the smartest tactic for them. If they want to start selling some more they need to make a price drop and then actually PROMOTE that. However I do agree the Lindsey situation probably has quite a bit to do with it. I was kinda surprised by all the negative backlash. I thought most people wouldn't even really care because they just want to hear hits and they can do that with or without him but there's been soooooo much negativity about it online. Even casual fans were like "wtf".

They may not be doing the tv circuit yet, but it’s still quite a few months until the tour starts. However, they are doing more promotion in other sectors than I’ve ever witnessed from FM. Satellite radio & FM radio both have DJs & commercials hocking the tour on a frenzied level. Especially on Sirius XM, the chatter is constant. If this tour sells poorly, it’s not because people are unaware the band is touring.

[HomerMcvie]

I think a lot of it is the ticket prices and lack of proper promotion (at least so far). The prices are the highest they've ever been for any of their tours which is just ridiculous. And aside from the CBS interview, they hardly done any press to let people know tickets are even on sale. Maybe they're avoiding press so people won't notice the elephant in the room or maybe they don't plan on doing it until much closer to the shows but I don't think that's the smartest tactic for them. If they want to start selling some more they need to make a price drop and then actually PROMOTE that. However I do agree the Lindsey situation probably has quite a bit to do with it. I was kinda surprised by all the negative backlash. I thought most people wouldn't even really care because they just want to hear hits and they can do that with or without him but there's been soooooo much negativity about it online. Even casual fans were like "wtf".
Because as they've gotten old, Lindsey BECAME the show. The only one still rocking out on stage. Old Goat's Her Name put on her Frankenbocks, and he was still OWNING the stage like he was 20.

The promoter I work with...I would call a casual fan, but he has taken his wife to the past couple tours. He's no Lindsey fanatic, but he says, "Lindsey IS the show, and now that he's out, I'm done. I'm not wasting my money on 'that'".

I agree.

[dreamsunwind]

Because as they've gotten old, Lindsey BECAME the show. The only one still rocking out on stage. Old Goat's Her Name put on her Frankenbocks, and he was still OWNING the stage like he was 20.

The promoter I work with...I would call a casual fan, but he has taken his wife to the past couple tours. He's no Lindsey fanatic, but he says, "Lindsey IS the show, and now that he's out, I'm done. I'm not wasting my money on 'that'".

I agree.

Oh yeah that's a definite. Just about every person I've seen that has seen them in concert recently has said basically the same thing. His energy really added so, so much to the shows, especially knowing that those were HIS songs. And he actually interacts with the crowd. He's the only one who does it, I don't understand why the other members don't. The shows will never be the same, no matter who they bring in.

[HomerMcvie]

Oh yeah that's a definite. Just about every person I've seen that has seen them in concert recently has said basically the same thing. His energy really added so, so much to the shows, especially knowing that those were HIS songs. And he actually interacts with the crowd. He's the only one who does it, I don't understand why the other members don't. The shows will never be the same, no matter who they bring in.

It kind of worked, THIRTY FREAKING YEARS AGO, but their legacy has been sealed now. Trying to reinvent yourselves, a couple years before you're pushing up daisies? Good luck with that. :blob2:

[dreamsunwind]

It kind of worked, THIRTY FREAKING YEARS AGO, but their legacy has been sealed now. Trying to reinvent yourselves, a couple years before you're pushing up daisies? Good luck with that. :blob2:

Absolutely. They should've just decided to wrap it up when it became obvious things weren't going to work. To do it after MusiCares would've been a high note. Now they've just completely tarnished the legacy of the band in the eyes of many, many people.

[HomerMcvie]

Absolutely. They should've just decided to wrap it up when it became obvious things weren't going to work. To do it after MusiCares would've been a high note. Now they've just completely tarnished the legacy of the band in the eyes of many, many people.

Yep. And the world sees that now. Too bad they were too stupid to see that, before they f*cked it all up. Morons.

[secondhandchain]

Yep. And the world sees that now. Too bad they were too stupid to see that, before they f*cked it all up. Morons.

Complete IDIOTS. Instead of people talking about a legendary band, they are now talking about the tambourine witch firing LB.

[HomerMcvie]

Complete IDIOTS. Instead of people talking about a legendary band, they are now talking about the tambourine witch firing LB.

They gave her the reigns, and THIS is how it turned out. Her tombstone should read, "Here lies Stevie Nicks- she killed Fleetwood Mac".

[SorcererJP]

How do you mean the Mac didn’t perform in Netherlands tour after tour? I’ve seen them in Amsterdam in 2013 and they played 2 Ziggo Dome shows that year. They also played it in 2015.

Yes interactions with Lindsey are the only thing why it was worth paying Micks m&gs or those front tix. I even told Lindsey once how that was the only reason many of us were buying them. In Europe (like Amsterdam) where floor was GA nobody was buying micks m&gs. He will be unpleasantly surprised now when his m&gs are even more and don’t come w tix.

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I was mainly refering to Stevie her solo tours in the 90's and early zero's. She ignored Europe, but I also believe her fanbase overhere could not fill arena's like the Ziggo just by herself. The Dance-tour didn't went to Europe and the SYW-tour only landed in Germany, UK and Ireland. So, It was on my bucketlist since the early 90's :-)

Yes, of course I'm aware of the tours since 2009. I attended all the shows in Holland and Belgium in 2009, 2013 and 2015. Was at the show in the Ziggo-dome when they had to shorten the set due to soundproblems and read about the illness of John, while I really thought that would be their final show ... But ... Hurray for the GA at the Ziggo-dome ... was upfront all the times :-)

[elle]

I was mainly refering to Stevie her solo tours in the 90's and early zero's. She ignored Europe, but I also believe her fanbase overhere could not fill arena's like the Ziggo just by herself. The Dance-tour didn't went to Europe and the SYW-tour only landed in Germany, UK and Ireland. So, It was on my bucketlist since the early 90's :-)

Yes, of course I'm aware of the tours since 2009. I attended all the shows in Holland and Belgium in 2009, 2013 and 2015. Was at the show in the Ziggo-dome when they had to shorten the set due to soundproblems and read about the illness of John, while I really thought that would be their final show ... But ... Hurray for the GA at the Ziggo-dome ... was upfront all the times :-)

I’m even more confused now. You said Mac didn’t tour in Europe in 2000s but now you are saying you were at all their shows there in 2000s and that you really meant Stevie. Are you considering this version of Mac to really be glorified Stevie solo augmented with the Mac brand so she can play arenas in Europe?

[jbrownsjr]

I’m even more confused now. You said Mac didn’t tour in Europe in 2000s but now you are saying you were at all their shows there in 2000s and that you really meant Stevie. Are you considering this version of Mac to really be glorified Stevie solo augmented with the Mac brand so she can play arenas in Europe?
Ye$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SorcererJP]

I’m even more confused now. You said Mac didn’t tour in Europe in 2000s but now you are saying you were at all their shows there in 2000s and that you really meant Stevie. Are you considering this version of Mac to really be glorified Stevie solo augmented with the Mac brand so she can play arenas in Europe?

Ok, no need to be confused. Let me try to explain again:

In the 90's and early zero's: Stevie embarked on a few solo-tours thru the US (and sometimes Australia). She did not tour Europe. I was a bit frustrated by that and I put it on my bucket list to fly to the US once to see a concert overthere. That's all!! I was not able to do so on the 24kGold-tour and will do now.

Mac as well did not tour (ok ok the Time-band did so) The Netherlands between 1990 and 2009. That's still 19 Years!!! They didn't on the Dance-tour and not on the SYW-tour (and yes, I saw them in Germany in 2004).

So yes, I mainly was referring to Stevie Nicks. But somehow she is a person non grata overhere :mad: But that won't change the goal on my bucket list.

[elle]

So yes, I mainly was referring to Stevie Nicks. But somehow she is a person non grata overhere :mad: But that won't change the goal on my bucket list.
they don't like SN in Holland, you mean? or she just can't sell enough to make it worth for her to perform there solo?

i'm still not sure how FM without LB will make your dream of seeing SN solo in Holland come true.

now, LB's original plans of touring solo in between Mac dates could have made LB solo fans' in Holland dreams come true - that way he would have been able to do a few solo dates in Holland, if Mac was covering most of the equipment transfer logistics from the US to Europe and already touring as a band in Holland and the rest of northwestern Europe as they tend to do. but LB's firing made sure those fans don't get that opportunity. :distress:

[jbrownsjr]

they don't like SN in Holland, you mean? or she just can't sell enough to make it worth for her to perform there solo?

i'm still not sure how FM without LB will make your dream of seeing SN solo in Holland come true.

now, LB's original plans of touring solo in between Mac dates could have made LB solo fans' in Holland dreams come true - that way he would have been able to do a few solo dates in Holland, if Mac was covering most of the equipment transfer logistics from the US to Europe and already touring as a band in Holland and the rest of northwestern Europe as they tend to do. but LB's firing made sure those fans don't get that opportunity. :distress:

Pure greed vs. Let me keep creating while I tour w/ the Big Machine

Pretty much stopped two great tours... plus, Christine was going to do some BuckVie w/ Lindsey.

:distress:

[SorcererJP]

they don't like SN in Holland, you mean? or she just can't sell enough to make it worth for her to perform there solo?

i'm still not sure how FM without LB will make your dream of seeing SN solo in Holland come true.

now, LB's original plans of touring solo in between Mac dates could have made LB solo fans' in Holland dreams come true - that way he would have been able to do a few solo dates in Holland, if Mac was covering most of the equipment transfer logistics from the US to Europe and already touring as a band in Holland and the rest of northwestern Europe as they tend to do. but LB's firing made sure those fans don't get that opportunity. :distress:

No Stevie is not that well known in Holland and she will not sell out. And with
'overhere' I meant ' this section of The Ledge' not my country .... And since happend what you describe ... I doubt it that this line-up will tour outside of the US ... so I decided to fly to the US, for fun, vacation and a concert. End of Story ...