Rumours of Lindsey leaving the band?

[Moz]

https://www.facebook.com/billyburnetterockabilly/posts/2037763062920055

From Billy Burnette's Facebook page:

"Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC
It's all in the book www.billyburnette.net/store"

Some people are saying it's true and that Mike Campbell could replace Lindsey in the band (I did see a comment about this on Instagram last week, but I didn't believe it); others are saying it's just a reference to 1987 and he's trying to drum up interest in his new book.

What does everyone think about this?

[Fannymac]

The fact that Billboard hasn't jumped on this leads me to question it!

[WildHeart69]

I came back here wondering the same thing, I’m skeptical for now.

[Macfan4life]

If its not true, you can imagine the backlash against Billy.
I was thinking April fool but it was posted today. I know Billy tells tales but to announce this is pretty crazy so I am a bit concerned.

[SpyNote]

That would be totally crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised either. The drama in this band never ends. I wonder how it will all play out.

[Morgana]

Rumours loves Rumours! And that makes for the "world turning!" I dunno......can't envision Lindsey leaving but it doesn't surprise me.

[button-lip]

Rumours loves Rumours! And that makes for the "world turning!" I dunno......can't envision Lindsey leaving but it doesn't surprise me.

Who says Lindsey’s leaving, if it turns out this is true? :confused:

[Lola]

Maybe this is a way for people to check out his book, like that's what he was thinking way back when he first heard about LB leaving /before he was contacted about joining the band. His post has a link to the book....

I don't do Facebook but this is weird: I was able to see his post just a few minutes ago on my android phone and MacBook. Now I can't see his post on either-says I have to log in. Was it blocked or taken down?

[Morgana]

Lola according to multiple FB groups it was deleted. Ahhh...HA! A book is involved? Hmmm....well that explains a lot! Rumours is all this is.

[elle]

Rumours loves Rumours! And that makes for the "world turning!" I dunno......can't envision Lindsey leaving but it doesn't surprise me.

i can't either. maybe they ousted him? like if they didn't want to work around his solo needs? :shrug: :distress:

[Macfan4life]

Was he drunk? I cant believe he would do such a thing.
I kept looking for LB trending on any yahoo or google reports.

[Lola]

Lola according to multiple FB groups it was deleted. Ahhh...HA! A book is involved? Hmmm....well that explains a lot! Rumours is all this is.

Thanks for clearing that up. :)

[button-lip]

Was he drunk? I cant believe he would do such a thing.
I kept looking for LB trending on any yahoo or google reports.

Lindsey trending on Yahoo or Google?! That would be a first for him! :D

[Macfan4life]

Billy's entire twitter page is down
Perhaps he was hacked?

[elle]

Lindsey trending on Yahoo or Google?! That would be a first for him! :D

second. he trended when he was on SNL's What Up With That.

if true, wonder what the spin will be?

[vivfox]

Billy's entire twitter page is down
Perhaps he was hacked?


This is probably the most likely scenario. But one has to wonder why there is no FM rehearsals going on right now.

[mitzo]

So now I feel disappointed.

[iamnotafraid]

If only it were true. I'd actually have much more
respect for him as an artist. That fair-haired lady
would be enough for me to quit.

Too much $$$ for any of them to walk away now.

[Angel75]

But wasn't there rumours of Lindsey leaving about a month ago on FB that wasn't related to Billy and his book?

I hope this is not true, I'd be so sad if he left ... It would be the ultimate if the fireflies of FM could stay together til death do us part

[tango87]

https://www.facebook.com/billyburnetterockabilly/posts/2037763062920055

From Billy Burnette's Facebook page:

"Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC
It's all in the book www.billyburnette.net/store"

Some people are saying it's true and that Mike Campbell could replace Lindsey in the band (I did see a comment about this on Instagram last week, but I didn't believe it); others are saying it's just a reference to 1987 and he's trying to drum up interest in his new book.

What does everyone think about this?

This sounds to me like Mr Burnette trying to drum up a bit of interest in his book. I think the most likely scenario is that it refers to 1987, and Billy's feelings at the time. Has anyone here read his book and could look it up?

[BigAl84]

His twitter account is back up and the post is still there...

[BigAl84]

I sent a message to him on instagram asking to clarify. Doubtful I will get a response, If I do I will let folks know.

[aleuzzi]

I'd be shocked if it were true. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose if he does.

He, like the rest of them, welcomes the money. And it finances his solo work.

Also, it would be ironic, considering he gave Christine an ultimatum ("you can't leave again") before returning.

[jbrownsjr]

I'd be shocked if it were true. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose if he does.

He, like the rest of them, welcomes the money. And it finances his solo work.

Also, it would be ironic, considering he gave Christine an ultimatum ("you can't leave again") before returning.

You're assuming he would have quit.

[elle]

You're assuming he would have quit.

It’s interesting to see how people are not reading carefully and jumping to conclusions. Even the thread title is in that vein.

“Lindsey is out” does not automatically mean he left.

After writing what are basically love songs to FM like On with The Show -
As long as I stand I will take your hand
I will stand with my band
Stand with my band

And all his intros at BuckVie shows and his MusiCares speech about the love he feels in the band how can anyone think he would quit?

If this is true, there has to be something else that happened. Of course we will probably never know considering how they spin around and negate statements they gave in tons of interviews (“BuckVie was NEVER supposed to be a FM album” immediately comes to mind).

[Moz]

I didn't hear any rumours that he got the boot or was asked to leave, only that he left on his own accord. It's hard to piece things together when everyone's being so vague about what they've heard.

[BigAl84]

Update - Billy must of saw my message because he asked to follow me on instagram, but did not reply to my message.

[elle]

I didn't hear any rumours that he got the boot or was asked to leave, only that he left on his own accord. It's hard to piece things together when everyone's being so vague about what they've heard.

Can you point me to rumors that he left on his own accord?

Only ones I’ve seen are fans reading statements like Billy’s “Lindsey is out” and interpreting it as he left. And that’s just the same rumor being amplified from fan to fan.

Billy’s statement is definitely not very clear about him either leaving or being ousted.

[bombaysaffires]

Can you point me to rumors that he left on his own accord?

Only ones I’ve seen are fans reading statements like Billy’s “Lindsey is out” and interpreting it as he left. And that’s just the same rumor being amplified from fan to fan.

Billy’s statement is definitely not very clear about him either leaving or being ousted.

I'm skeptical.... maybe it was a marketing tactic for april fool's that backfired??

[Moz]

Can you point me to rumors that he left on his own accord?

Only ones I’ve seen are fans reading statements like Billy’s “Lindsey is out” and interpreting it as he left. And that’s just the same rumor being amplified from fan to fan.

Billy’s statement is definitely not very clear about him either leaving or being ousted.

They were speculative comments on Facebook from fans; "rumours" was the wrong word to use.

Now that I look back at some of the comments from yesterday, quite a few echo Billy's original post by saying he's "out," which, to me, sounds worse than simply saying that he "left." But maybe I'm overthinking it. :lol:

It wasn't until a few hours ago when I saw comments (once again, fan speculation) that he may have been kicked out. I don't know if those comments are based on an actual rumour or if they're just conjecture.

[gldstwmn]

Twitter is an apoplectic, hilarious **** show with this right now with everyone from Sara Fleetwood throwing shade at Karen to people hating on Mike Campbell's hair to people saying Mike and Stevie deserve better fans. :laugh:
I did see an Instagram post from Mick a few days ago with a picture of Christine and him saying "Make new friends, but keep the old; those are silver, these are gold." Curious. :shrug::shrug:

[24karatstevie]

Twitter is an apoplectic, hilarious **** show with this right now with everyone from Sara Fleetwood throwing shade at Karen to people hating on Mike Campbell's hair to people saying Mike and Stevie deserve better fans. :laugh:
I did see an Instagram post from Mick a few days ago with a picture of Christine and him saying "Make new friends, but keep the old; those are silver, these are gold." Curious. :shrug::shrug:

I'm pretty sure that Sara Fleetwood account is not actually her, just a fan pretending to be her. But yes I agree. It's wild on there right now. Everyone blaming each other, and we still don't have an official announcement. I've read a lot from people who claim to have this info and honestly some of it does make sense. However, no one is giving away their sources, so until the band comes forward I guess we won't know for sure.

[amycondit]

Hi all,

What a strange world we live in! I first heard about in an email from Twitter today suggesting I check out my "highlights" from people I follow. The phrase "Lindsey Buckingham got the axe" caught my attention!:eek:

I wonder how to verify the news on Twitter? Who are the sources of the info? None of the people seem even remotely close to the band. "Murrow Must be Turning Over in His Grave" to paraphrase a certain song!

I couldn't imagine Lindsey choosing to leave at this point in his career with FM. As Elle said, he has literally written a love song to FM and spoke highly of them at Classic West, all the Buck/Mcvie shows, and Music Cares. It seemed that he has come to a sense of peace about the financial rewards of being in FM and the multi-generational appeal and appreciation of the music.

I can't imagine Lindsey getting "fired"/asked to leave. What would he have had to have done this time to warrant that? If he didn't get fired in 1987 after the infamous physical altercation, I can't imagine what he would have done now for that to occur. If Lindsey's solo work held up the band's 2018 touring plans, it would not be the first time that a band member's solo plans interfered with the full band's touring schedule. When Stevie extended "In Your Dreams" and opted not to record with them recently, she certainly was not outsted. So, on the surface this does not make sense.

There would have to be some kind of wild behind the scenes story now, but their current lives don't seem to be fueled by drugs and erratic behavior.

It's a "Mystery to Me'". I hope everyone doesn't mind my silly song titles in this post which has me truly worried.

What with the lack of news about the Sirius, LB's solo album/tour, and FM tour, all the radio silence since February has made me nervous. I feel lucky and blessed that in 2017 I was able to go to Classic West, see Buckingham/McVie at the Greek Theater and in Minneapolis, manage to get a ticket to see their panel at the Grammy Museum, and see Stevie at the MN State Fair. With an embarrassment of riches like that, it would be sad if it were to end by an unpleasant circumstance. It seems that although they have their tensions, they have managed to override all that in order to carry on in recent years.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see---which is no fun. Of course, I turned to this forum right away as this is where all the people who are in the know reside!

Best to everyone here (Hi Elle!),
Amy

[Iamwilliame]

Jeez!!!! It's too much stress being a Fleetwood Mac fan. I have no interest in living through any more of their drama or seeing yet another lineup at this point, They are senior citizens for God's sake!!! BREAK UP and give us all some peace!!! And if Fleetwood Mac (including Stevie) ends up recording an actual album with someone else, I'm done for good.

Speaking of Mike Campbell, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stevie record an album and/or tour with the Heartbreakers in the next few years. Mark my word!! It will happen!!!

[jbrownsjr]

Jeez!!!! It's too much stress being a Fleetwood Mac fan. I have no interest in living through any more of their drama or seeing yet another lineup at this point, They are senior citizens for God's sake!!! BREAK UP and give us all some peace!!! And if Fleetwood Mac (including Stevie) ends up recording an actual album with someone else, I'm done for good.

Speaking of Mike Campbell, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Stevie record an album and/or tour with the Heartbreakers in the next few years. Mark my word!! It will happen!!!

And there it is. Stevie honestly can't stand Lindsey Buckingham. A lot of people want to live in a fantasy world where SN/LB are still in love.. But, she does not want anything to do with him. Yes, they were a couple IN 1973!!! wE GET IT.

Wake up people.

[iamnotafraid]

Maybe he's out because Stevie's using
the #metoo against him.

This smells like fake news.

[secondhandchain]

I don't believe this for a second.

[aleuzzi]

You're assuming he would have quit.

I'm assuming he would NOT have quit. But maybe you're suggesting he was fired? I doubt that, too.

[AncientQueen]

Mh, this whole thread is rescued from 1987, isn't it?

[vivfox]

From what I hear it is all true. Supposedly they are actively looking for a replacement for him. Oy vey.

I hope that Lindsey releases an album and spends this year touring for it. That is what he really wanted to do. The rest of the group should allow him to do that and take the year off themselves. I don't want FM to continue without Lindsey again. I'm sure by the beginning of next year when all is said and done that LB would be more than willing to regroup with the Mac and head out for a long tour.

[James89]

They are earning far too much money at the moment for him to even dare leave the band. Wouldn’t happen.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm assuming he would NOT have quit. But maybe you're suggesting he was fired? I doubt that, too.

So then what do you believe?? huh?? :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I don't believe this for a second.

Billy Burnette clarified his comments. This has happened recently. Mick told him they threw Lindsey out.

[FuzzyPlum]

They are earning far too much money at the moment for him to even dare leave the band. Wouldn’t happen.

It looks increasingly as if this has happened.
With all the speculation you'd imagine somebody would put out word that it was all false if the rumours really were all false. The fact there is silence from all camps is alarming.

I'm speculating; Maybe Lindsey kicked up a fuss about a lack of new product. He made it perfectly clear at the 'Classic shows' he hated performing the big hits with FM. Perhaps he delayed his solo album in the hope it would roll into a new FM album ahead of a tour. Perhaps rather than giving Lindsey time to release and tour a new solo record Mick decided to move ahead with a FM tour. Maybe Mick desperately needs the cash.

Stevie and Chris (minus Lindsey)
Chris (minus Lindsey and Stevie)
Stevie and Lindsey (minus Chris)
Chris and Lindsey (minus Stevie)
Chris and Stevie (minus Lindsey) ???

[TrueFaith77]

We need a poll on this subject.

I don't believe it at all.

:laugh:

[SpyNote]

Someone needs to go back into the archives to see which rumours turned out to be true and false later. I'm sure we could come up with our very own Fleetwood Mac Snopes :laugh:

[Neal]

Since discovering this band as a child in 1991, I have been Team Stevie 99% of the time. But Lindsey has been the creative driving force behind FM since 1975, and while I'm sure Stevie's animosity is justified, at some point you have to forgive and forget. Or at least forgive.

The only reason I can possibly think of that Mick would fire Lindsey is if Stevie said "it's him or me". At the end of the day, Mick knows a Lindsey-less tour will still make more money than a Stevie-less one, and we all know Mick follows the money... :distress:

That said, I won't believe anything until it comes directly from one of the horses mouths.

[aleuzzi]

So then what do you believe?? huh?? :laugh:

I believe the children are our future...

No, seriously, I thought the whole thing was just a silly rumour not worth considering......

[FuzzyPlum]

I believe the children are our future...

No, seriously, I thought the whole thing was just a silly rumour not worth considering until you pm'd me today and told me the backstory behind the Musicares event. As I said to you then, these musicians are 12.


Backstory?????? What backstory??????

[jenniferuk]

[QUOTE=aleuzzi;1221489]I believe the children are our future...

No, seriously, I thought the whole thing was just a silly rumour not worth considering until you pm'd me today and told me the backstory behind the Musicares event. As I said to you then, these musicians are 12.[/QUOT

I also thought this was all rumour & gossip until I saw BBs posts (as shared on FB).

[jmn3]

Backstory?????? What backstory??????

Yes...this! What’s the backstory here? I feel like I just walked into a time warp to 1987. I just can’t believe at this stage that Lindsey would leave or be fired. But I’ve felt something odd was up ever since that whole Sirius XM snafu.

[TrueFaith77]

I am feeling left out here. What is the scoop?

[Neal]

Honest question - Why do people seem to think the SiriusXM channel not materializing is an indication of anything other than the usual FM marketing ineptness? :shrug:

And even if these rumours turn out to be true, why wouldn't they still run the channel? SiriusXM has aired plenty of other dedicated channels for artists/bands that are inactive, broken up, or deceased...

[TrueFaith77]

I am feeling left out here. What is the scoop?

INSIDE SOURCES
From what I hear it is all true. Supposedly they are actively looking for a replacement for him. Oy vey.

I hope that Lindsey releases an album and spends this year touring for it. That is what he really wanted to do. The rest of the group should allow him to do that and take the year off themselves. I don't want FM to continue without Lindsey again. I'm sure by the beginning of next year when all is said and done that LB would be more than willing to regroup with the Mac and head out for a long tour.

I wouldn't ask you to reveal sources and I do trust YOU. This is the only post that has me worried. Oy vey, indeed.


BILLY BURNETTE
I also thought this was all rumour & gossip until I saw BBs posts (as shared on FB).

Billy Burnette clarified his comments. This has happened recently. Mick told him they threw Lindsey out.

Where? On Facebook? If so, where on Facebook?


MUSICARES
No, seriously, I thought the whole thing was just a silly rumour not worth considering until you pm'd me today and told me the backstory behind the Musicares event. As I said to you then, these musicians are 12.

Backstory?????? What backstory??????

Ditto. Deets please? :)


SIRIUSXM
Honest question - Why do people seem to think the SiriusXM channel not materializing is an indication of anything other than the usual FM marketing ineptness? :shrug:

And even if these rumours turn out to be true, why wouldn't they still run the channel? SiriusXM has aired plenty of other dedicated channels for artists/bands that are inactive, broken up, or deceased...

What happened here??


BONNIE CARYN
Trawling through the ghastly obscenities and name calling on Twitter I came across someone who quoted this post (from FB I suppose). I don't know if this is legit, but ...

Who is Bonnie Caryn??

[NotonRodeo]

Trawling through the ghastly obscenities and name calling on Twitter I came across someone who quoted this post (from FB I suppose). I don't know if this is legit, but ...

[jenniferuk]

I am feeling left out here. What is the scoop?

INSIDE SOURCES


I wouldn't ask you to reveal sources and I do trust YOU. This is the only post that has me worried. Oy vey, indeed.


BILLY BURNETTE




Where? On Facebook? If so, where on Facebook?


MUSICARES




Ditto. Deets please? :)


SIRIUSXM


What happened here??

Billy posted in a comment on his FB that Mick Fleetwood said he (LB) was thrown out of the band. I didn't see it and it's been deleted but screen capped & posted on other FB groups.

Prior to this I'd ignored the Mike Campbell chatter as rumour, but it seems like there's likely more to it.

[button-lip]

From what I hear it is all true. Supposedly they are actively looking for a replacement for him. Oy vey.

I hope that Lindsey releases an album and spends this year touring for it. That is what he really wanted to do. The rest of the group should allow him to do that and take the year off themselves. I don't want FM to continue without Lindsey again. I'm sure by the beginning of next year when all is said and done that LB would be more than willing to regroup with the Mac and head out for a long tour.

I also want Lindsey to focus on his solo album and tour, and enjoy life with his solo fans (all 12 of us!) and leave all this 40+ years behind him. Of course it won't be easy but he needs to think about his legacy as a musician. If he was kicked out as Billy is constantly saying, that's the worst legacy he could have asked for. :(

The only reason I can possibly think of that Mick would fire Lindsey is if Stevie said "it's him or me". At the end of the day, Mick knows a Lindsey-less tour will still make more money than a Stevie-less one, and we all know Mick follows the money... :distress:

That said, I won't believe anything until it comes directly from one of the horses mouths.

If you're waiting for an explanation from a band who clearly has one of the most poorly handled PR in the world, then I guess you will have to stick with your idea of what really happened. ;)

[NotonRodeo]

Good God, the drama of these people. Has the band forgotten what happened the last time they fired Lindsey? It's been 30 years, but I still remember, and it wasn't pretty.

Like some posters above I am beyond tired of the nonstop soap opera, which seems to occupy the band's attention nowadays more than the making of actual music. If this is true my FM CDs are done for. :rolleyes:

[SpyNote]

I think fans find out a lot more about the band because they are Facebook friends with people associated with the band.

So these are the rumours and speculations...

SiriusXM. There was supposed to be an exclusive, limited-run Fleetwood Mac Channel that was to launch February 1. This was to coincide with their MusiCares honor. An official press release went out, but the channel never launched. This led to speculation about...

MusiCares. According to different Facebook groups, something happened at the MusiCares event, some disagreement or a fight. This led to speculation about...

The FM Tour. Rehearsals were supposed to happen in March, after everyone got back from their vacations and time off. This never happened and left fans confused. So when they saw...

Billy Burnette's vague Facebook update, suggesting that Lindsey Buckingham was out of the band, and Mick's cryptic Facebook/Twitter post "Where words fail, music speaks," this continued to fuel the speculation that something's askew. Some fans think Billy's comments were trying to generate buzz for his new book.

Anyway, that's what I've heard. I know some people don't like to discuss things that are unconfirmed, which is respectable. Some people do, and that's fine too. It's great that we have a variety of places where we can get the type of information we want to read these days.

"The drama of the moment..."

[FuzzyPlum]

Trawling through the ghastly obscenities and name calling on Twitter I came across someone who quoted this post (from FB I suppose). I don't know if this is legit, but ...


Who is Bonnie Caryn?

[NotonRodeo]

Who is Bonnie Caryn?

Sorry, I've no idea either :shrug: Just happened to come across that post somewhere on Twitter...

[jmn3]

Good God, the drama of these people. Has the band forgotten what happened the last time they fired Lindsey? It's been 30 years, but I still remember, and it wasn't pretty.

Like some posters above I am beyond tired of the nonstop soap opera, which seems to occupy the band's attention nowadays more than the making of actual music. If this is true my FM CDs are done for. :rolleyes:

I’m with you. I find the constant soap opera of these guys to just be ridiculous. They’re all almost in their 70’s - I can’t even believe they’d consider going on under the Fleetwood Mac name with a LB replacement at this point. What is the point? No new music - another tour with a replacement guitar player? We’re 15 years beyond doing Say You Will without Christine. I just can’t even imagine this happening with any success. Another replacement playing and singing GYOW and probably some other of his songs. It wasn’t that great 30 years ago and it wouldn’t be that good now. Love Chris and Stevie but I just can’t see them carrying the show and filling all of the voids that would be left by Lindsey.

Maybe they figure if the Eagles can go on without Glenn then The Mac can do it without LB.

[Neal]

If you're waiting for an explanation from a band who clearly has one of the most poorly handled PR in the world, then I guess you will have to stick with your idea of what really happened. ;)

After all these years, I know fully well that when it comes to FM even the "truth" should be taken with a grain of salt... :cool:

[Moz]

Sorry, I've no idea either :shrug: Just happened to come across that post somewhere on Twitter...

She runs a Stevie/FM (mostly Stevie) merch buying and selling group on Facebook.

[FuzzyPlum]

She runs a Stevie/FM (mostly Stevie) merch buying and selling group on Facebook.

ah...so nobody of any significance then? Just somebody looking to spread BS.

[AnthonyMI]

Lindsey might have lost his temper with Stevie and her rambling on and on about Tom petty and acting like that’s the band she wanted to be in all these years when she had a perfectly good band of her own and someone to produce her songs and make them beautiful. She’s been increasingly ungrateful and bitter as the years go by. The whole woman scorned shtick is soooooo old and maybe when she was 49 in 1998 it was cute but now it’s just sad. Lindsey can make music with Christine again or solo and Fleetwood Mac is just a touring cash cow. As if Lindsey needs more money. The last four weeks or five tours and royalty’s alone what more could he want? He couldn’t Spears all his money if he tried


I’m glad I saw the Classic 5 Fleetwood Mac in 2015 before the end. If this is the end. Again. Not sure there’s enough life left in them to make a comeback.

[tango87]

Oh God, it's exhausting. I'm a Stones fan too and even they don't have these ridiculous levels of drama. To be honest, if they're all really so unhappy in each other's company, they should split up - I'm fed up with watching them pretend they love each other.

40+ years since Rumours, and hardly any significant new music from the band compared to most other groups in that time... I love them so much but I have pretty much run out of energy to keep up with the melodrama.

If there isn't going to be any new music - from the five of them - then they should call it a day.

[FuzzyPlum]

Oh God, it's exhausting. I'm a Stones fan too and even they don't have these ridiculous levels of drama. To be honest, if they're all really so unhappy in each other's company, they should split up - I'm fed up with watching them pretend they love each other.

40+ years since Rumours, and hardly any significant new music from the band compared to most other groups in that time... I love them so much but I have pretty much run out of energy to keep up with the melodrama.

If there isn't going to be any new music - from the five of them - then they should call it a day.


Logically we shouldn't be fans of this band. But its an addiction; We know we aren't going to get as much satisfaction as we are hoping for but we just cant walk away from it- no matter how hard you try, you always get pulled back.

BTW, I just can't believe Christine would have gone along with an ousting of Lindsey. Those two are musical BFF's.

[bombaysaffires]

I have no idea wtf is going on with this band. Something about this story doesn't register correctly... I think there are gaping holes in the story. Let's recap what's been said:

1)ok so supposedly Lindsey pitched a fit at a show. This is not inconceivable. He apparently did it backstage (onstage would be unforgivable), and the show went on as it should have. So that can not, to me, be a reason for them to split up. Have your same old fights over it all and move on.

2) Then I've heard, no, what really did it was a fight over the Lindsey solo tour and his asking them to maybe somehow adjust the FM tour so he can still support his solo tour. Reportedly the band didn't want to be flexible about it, and knowing how Lindsey feels about loyalty etc, clearly that could set him off and cause a band spat. I can see some sort of spat where Stevie plays her same old card of threatening not to tour. (Think of the spat they had after recording SYW over the double/single album thing and Stevie threatening not to tour and LB giving in because a short tour meant less money). I can see this making Mick nervous because again, less money without her. I can see Lindsey saying to Mick, why don't you back ME up instead of capitulating to her threats? I mean, this is not a new argument for this band either; god knows how many times they must have had it.

So what I can't make fit is how it goes from either one or both of these situations to Lindsey leaving the band, and, furthermore, leaving not in an "I quit because you don't support me!" way on his part (which you could sorta make a case for) but in a "You're fired!" way from Mick. I just don't see that. First of all, I don't think Mick has the singular authority to just fire anyone in the band. It would have to be a group decision...so, yes I can see him being the one the others make be the bearer of the bad news to LB..... but so far I still haven't heard anything that rings like a true cause for that to even happen in the first place.


On a personal note, I will say that if this is true: I've loved this band forever, and think these people are (mostly) great individually. I have followed all of them forever as a band and as solo artists. For them to splinter now, and in this way, would be, frankly, disgusting. A shameful indication of their lack of maturity, lack of professionalism and lack of humility. It's a slap in the face to everything and everyone that put them on top. It is the most incredibly undignified way to go out. I love Mike Campbell, but that is NOT Fleetwood Mac, that's a golden oldies lounge act and I wouldn't spend a nickel to see them.

But even having said THAT, I still am waiting to hear more info. that convinces me the firing bit is real. The fighting part is totally believable, of course.:eek:

[bombaysaffires]

Hi all,

What a strange world we live in! I first heard about in an email from Twitter today suggesting I check out my "highlights" from people I follow. The phrase "Lindsey Buckingham got the axe" caught my attention!:eek:

I wonder how to verify the news on Twitter? Who are the sources of the info? None of the people seem even remotely close to the band. "Murrow Must be Turning Over in His Grave" to paraphrase a certain song!

I couldn't imagine Lindsey choosing to leave at this point in his career with FM. As Elle said, he has literally written a love song to FM and spoke highly of them at Classic West, all the Buck/Mcvie shows, and Music Cares. It seemed that he has come to a sense of peace about the financial rewards of being in FM and the multi-generational appeal and appreciation of the music.

I can't imagine Lindsey getting "fired"/asked to leave. What would he have had to have done this time to warrant that? If he didn't get fired in 1987 after the infamous physical altercation, I can't imagine what he would have done now for that to occur. If Lindsey's solo work held up the band's 2018 touring plans, it would not be the first time that a band member's solo plans interfered with the full band's touring schedule. When Stevie extended "In Your Dreams" and opted not to record with them recently, she certainly was not outsted. So, on the surface this does not make sense.

There would have to be some kind of wild behind the scenes story now, but their current lives don't seem to be fueled by drugs and erratic behavior.

It's a "Mystery to Me'". I hope everyone doesn't mind my silly song titles in this post which has me truly worried.

What with the lack of news about the Sirius, LB's solo album/tour, and FM tour, all the radio silence since February has made me nervous. I feel lucky and blessed that in 2017 I was able to go to Classic West, see Buckingham/McVie at the Greek Theater and in Minneapolis, manage to get a ticket to see their panel at the Grammy Museum, and see Stevie at the MN State Fair. With an embarrassment of riches like that, it would be sad if it were to end by an unpleasant circumstance. It seems that although they have their tensions, they have managed to override all that in order to carry on in recent years.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see---which is no fun. Of course, I turned to this forum right away as this is where all the people who are in the know reside!

Best to everyone here (Hi Elle!),
Amy

Totally agree with you amycondit!

And there it is. Stevie honestly can't stand Lindsey Buckingham. A lot of people want to live in a fantasy world where SN/LB are still in love.. But, she does not want anything to do with him. Yes, they were a couple IN 1973!!! wE GET IT.

Wake up people.

Yeah, the continuing delusion about their relationship baffles me. I love her but I don't believe all her babble in interviews "sometimes, she's an actress/but you'll never really know..."


Billy Burnette clarified his comments. This has happened recently. Mick told him they threw Lindsey out.

What was his clarification?? Can someone repeat it here or provide a link?

[Mr Scarrott]

"Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC
It's all in the book www.billyburnette.net/store"

Am I being a bit thick here, but hasn't Billy's book been out for a while? Is he honestly suggesting there's going to be a revised edition in which he is supposedly going to scoop this? I don't believe that it is credible in the slightest that this is relating to the present day Mac.

It's a come-on to try and flog a few copies ,highlighting his joining the band ..in 1987 maybe things weren't clear as to what had happened re Lindsey and others were considered before Billy got the nod... as he had worked with Mick and was friends with Lindsey he might have initially thought he would be an obvious choice, but was confirmed a little later after some umming an aahing over other potential replacements.

Has anyone actually read Billy's book?

[bwboy]

Billy Burnette's vague Facebook update, suggesting that Lindsey Buckingham was out of the band, and Mick's cryptic Facebook/Twitter post "Where words fail, music speaks," this continued to fuel the speculation that something's askew. Some fans think Billy's comments were trying to generate buzz for his new book.

Anyway, that's what I've heard. I know some people don't like to discuss things that are unconfirmed, which is respectable. Some people do, and that's fine too. It's great that we have a variety of places where we can get the type of information we want to read these

I just wanted to say I don't believe for a second Billy Burnette started this rumor, especially to generate buzz for his new book. For one thing, "his new book" was released over a year ago so the timing is way off. Even his last album was released in October 2017, I think. Again, weird timing if Billy was trying to start rumors to promote his book or album.

Second, whether you liked Billy and Rick Vito when they were in FM or not, they have always been classy, respectful guys, both to Lindsey when he left the band and to FM when they left or were asked to leave. Billy's book was also incredibly respectful of FM and the individual members. So no way is he trying to use this crazy situation to promote his career. I am quite certain if he was doing that, he would have no trouble getting Rolling Stone or People or Yahoo or MSN on the phone to talk about what's going on with FM, or at least what he may know.

Frankly, I'm confused. If it weren't for this board, I wouldn't be aware there were any rumors at all. I guess we should be thankful Billy at least gave the heads up something seems to be off in FM Land.

BTW SpyNote, this post wasn't directed to you specifically. I think it's natural for everyone to speculate why Billy posted his comments. Your post was well written and appreciated for the calm, rational tone you used.

[FuzzyPlum]

"Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC
It's all in the book www.billyburnette.net/store"

Am I being a bit thick here, but hasn't Billy's book been out for a while? Is he honestly suggesting there's going to be a revised edition in which he is supposedly going to scoop this? I don't believe that it is credible in the slightest that this is relating to the present day Mac.

It's a come-on to try and flog a few copies ,highlighting his joining the band ..in 1987 maybe things weren't clear as to what had happened re Lindsey and others were considered before Billy got the nod... as he had worked with Mick and was friends with Lindsey he might have initially thought he would be an obvious choice, but was confirmed a little later after some umming an aahing over other potential replacements.

Has anyone actually read Billy's book?


Yeah, I've read it. Its a bit all over the place (and has so many mistakes) but generally it was quite interesting to read. Billy's had an interesting and varied career.

Page 110
I was in the studio with Roy Orbison while he was recording 'Dream You'. I got a note to phone home. I called my wife, Chris who said, 'Call Mick Fleetwood, he needs to talk to you'. I returned the call to Mick and he asked if I wanted to join the band and I said, 'What?' He said 'Yeah, Stevie and Lindsey just got into it and we need you to join the band tomorrow morning.

I dont think Billy was specifically saying you can read about Lindsey's firing in his book. I think 'It's all in the book' is just a standard line he adds to many/most of his tweets.

[Angel75]

On a personal note, I will say that if this is true: I've loved this band forever, and think these people are (mostly) great individually. I have followed all of them forever as a band and as solo artists. For them to splinter now, and in this way, would be, frankly, disgusting. A shameful indictment of their lack of maturity, lack of professionalism and lack of humility. It's a slap in the face to everything and everyone that put them on top. It is the most incredibly undignified way to go out. I love Mike Campbell, but that is NOT Fleetwood Mac, that's a golden oldies lounge act and I wouldn't spend a nickel to see them.

But even having said THAT, I still am waiting to hear more info. that convinces me the firing bit is real. The fighting part is totally believable, of course.:eek:

Well said, particularly about the maturity and professionalism......this is embarrassing and childish....surely as 70 year olds you can play nicely and get your **** together.

[sodascouts]

I can buy Lindsey quitting but Mick firing him? Destroying the cash cow that is the Rumours 5? Surely not...

I hope to death this is not true. With Lindsey, Fleetwood Mac is my favorite band. Without him, I'm not even interested.

My heart would be shattered if my favorite band fell apart especially now, at the end.

[Lola]

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/billy-burnette-lindsey-buckingham-is-out-of-fleetwood-mac.743787/page-3

I just started reading this forum, only on page 2 of 8. All kinds of speculation ranging from 'Billy's tweet is book promotion' to 'LB asked for 2 days off from the tour and there was fallout'. 6 more pages to go....let's see what these folks think

[gldstwmn]

What was his clarification?? Can someone repeat it here or provide a link?

Search Facebook.

[bombaysaffires]

several people on twitter have retweeted comments to @rollingstone asking them if it's all true.......we'll see if they dig around for an answer.

[bombaysaffires]

Search Facebook.

he's removed it all

[Alison]

I still see it on Billy Burnette's twitter page.

[secondhandchain]

Seriously? If this is true I don't care. I don't like Stevie anymore (she's gotten bitter)and they have slowly eroded my love for them. Christine is as classy as ever but enough is enough. No more new music, then I'm done.

[elle]

What was his clarification?? Can someone repeat it here or provide a link?

Billy responded to a fan inquiring about what's happening that "Actually, Mick Fleetwood said he was thrown out of the band".

[bombaysaffires]

Billy responded to a fan inquiring about what's happening that "Actually, Mick Fleetwood said he was thrown out of the band".

Still seems like he's trying to reference his book and events if 1987. Weird.

[NotonRodeo]

So, aside from some messages on FB from sources that may or may not be close to the band, the rumour all boils down to Burnette's tweet? Is he telling the truth, or is he (and Mick!) pulling our legs? I doubt BB is referring to the events of 1987, since he explicitly said he was "pissed" he will not be included in the lineup, and if this was about the first Lindsey contretemps we know otherwise. Then again, who knows what really goes on with these people?

Somehow I find it appropriate that in its final days this band is dissolving into chaos and acrimony. How hard would it be for any one of their managers to issue a denial to put a stop to all this chatter? Unless of course it is actually true and they want to market the dismissal of Lindsey with the best spin possible.

[NotonRodeo]

Oops sorry double post . . .

[TrueFaith77]

After a good night’s rest, I don’t believe this is true.

[tango87]

'Why don't you ask him if he's going to stay?
Why don't you ask him if he's going away..?'

[NotonRodeo]

Is it just me, or has the thread on the stevehoffman forum listed above been deleted? I was reading it a few minutes ago and when I went back it just said the thread doesn't exist, and nothing comes up about it on search :confused: Has the thread been restricted to their forum members only? Or is it the Mac legal machine at work :eek:

[24karatstevie]

Is it just me, or has the thread on the stevehoffman forum listed above been deleted? I was reading it a few minutes ago and when I went back it just said the thread doesn't exist, and nothing comes up about it on search :confused: Has the thread been restricted to their forum members only? Or is it the Mac legal machine at work :eek:

I can't access it either, and I was reading it last night and this morning... Also a Mike Campbell Facebook page is talking all about it. According to a poster there, Mike is the new lead guitarist and Lindsey was fired. At first this all seemed very fishy to me, but I'm beginning to think that too many different people have this info for it to not be true.

[NotonRodeo]

I just visited the FB Mike Campbell fan page. I guess it's true. Certainly no one from Fleetwood Mac has denied it, despite the rumour apparently having been festering for weeks on Facebook and Twitter.

Well then that's that. I'm done with them.

[Moz]

I can't access it either, and I was reading it last night and this morning... Also a Mike Campbell Facebook page is talking all about it. According to a poster there, Mike is the new lead guitarist and Lindsey was fired. At first this all seemed very fishy to me, but I'm beginning to think that too many different people have this info for it to not be true.

It was at 11 pages about an hour or so ago.

It's a complete and utter joke that this is supposedly due to "Lindsey-Nicks issues." They've been at each other's throats for literal decades and now she/they want to kick him out? Give me a %&&#ing break. Congrats on being a cover act now, I guess.

[bwboy]

The Mike Campbell FB page has a very adamant poster claiming Stevie was doing tour prep and finally told FM it was either her or Lindsey; the band asked promoters who they would back- a FM without SN or a FM without LB and 20 -1, the feedback was they wanted a FM tour with Stevie. I have no idea if any of that is true, but it's interesting reading people's comments over there. The guy swears it's true, and combining that with Billy Burnette's tweets does make me believe it.

If any of this is true, the ramifications are pretty far-reaching. I mean, even if Campbell joins the tour, he doesn't sing. Plus, how could there ever be another collaboration between Lindsey and Christine?

[Alison]

Don't understand why FleetwoodMac is doing this if all this talk is true. Unless the band already had the tour pretty much booked and signed, maybe contracts were signed and too much money was going to be lost if they canceled.
I think I remember when Christine came back Mick said the band will only exist at this point with the five of them, that there would never be another line-up.
At this point why don't they just pack it in and keep their legacy intact.

[FuzzyPlum]

I don't believe any of these adamant posters have the slightest clue what is going on.

If its just Nicks and McVie that will be singing then it ain't Fleetwood Mac, its Nicks-McVie. My worry is they'll be bringing Mike Campbell in for lead guitar and then maybe even somebody else for vocals....Chris friggin Isaak????

On another note, I'm miffed there's more conjecture about this on a general music discussion board than there is on The Ledge.

[FuzzyPlum]

If any of this is true, the ramifications are pretty far-reaching. I mean, even if Campbell joins the tour, he doesn't sing. Plus, how could there ever be another collaboration between Lindsey and Christine?


If it is true then I'd be really pissed off with Christine. Unless Lindsey actually did something ultra-bad then Christine should say FU Stevie, FU Mick and go and work on songs for BuckVie 2.

[jmn3]

I still can’t belive this until I see some better (or any) sources. I was just catching up on the thread on Mike Campbell’s FB Page. The poster saying this doesn’t cite any source of his knowledge other than he’s spent time backstage at Heartbreakers shows.

If there’s even any truth to any of what’s being said - they should just pack it in. Once again, for the last 35 years, this bands interpersonal drama continues to be far more intriguing than anything musically!

[jenniferuk]

I don't believe any of these adamant posters have the slightest clue what is going on.

If its just Nicks and McVie that will be singing then it ain't Fleetwood Mac, its Nicks-McVie. My worry is they'll be bringing Mike Campbell in for lead guitar and then maybe even somebody else for vocals....Chris friggin Isaak????



On another note, I'm miffed there's more conjecture about this on a general music discussion board than there is on The Ledge.

The chap sharing the latest news is TPs photographer & band friend, and as in other rumours, he said another vocalist / guitarist is to be named.

My guess was Harry Styles, since he's Mick & Stevie's mate and would put bums in seats (I write that half-kidding & with no idea about Harry's career or who the band would consider). I can't handle Chris, John, and Mick as a support band to Stevie and someone attempting LBs songs...

The whole situation is a mess but it's difficult for me to imagine it's not the truth, as all reports have a general pattern of details. Sadly.

[sodascouts]

On another note, I'm miffed there's more conjecture about this on a general music discussion board than there is on The Ledge.
Speaking for myself, there's not much more to say at this point when we don't even know it's true....

....except that I find the idea of mounting a "farewell tour" with a brand-new member after throwing out the man who has contributed so very much to that band over the years absolutely disgraceful. If it is indeed true that Stevie forced Mick's hand, then my respect level for her would plummet to such depths that I think I would go from "Stevie fan" to "fan of Stevie Nicks' music." And that's saying a lot for me.

But maybe it's not true.

[Macfan4life]

WTF
Its creepy with these rumors. Not long ago Lindsey was the most optimistic about Fleetwood Mac saying the big tour was not the last (while other members talked it could be the swan song). What irks me is the disrespect Billy Burnette is showing. You don't leak information like this on twitter then stay silent. You let the band announce something first. Its almost like a relative announcing a divorce of their best friend or sibling to the world before the couple speaks. Its just very juvenile and bad taste IMHO.
I guess maybe Stevie got her way after all if this is true. I was reading that most Heartbreakers fans think its a mistake because they don't like Fleetwood Mac. If this is true why would you not bring back Billy? Maybe Billy is pissed and that is why he is acting so childish. If true, I feel bad for Christine. She came back to this silly drama.

[FuzzyPlum]

WTF
Its creepy with these rumors. Not long ago Lindsey was the most optimistic about Fleetwood Mac saying the big tour was not the last (while other members talked it could be the swan song). What irks me is the disrespect Billy Burnette is showing. You don't leak information like this on twitter then stay silent. You let the band announce something first. Its almost like a relative announcing a divorce of their best friend or sibling to the world before the couple speaks. Its just very juvenile and bad taste IMHO.
I guess maybe Stevie got her way after all if this is true. I was reading that most Heartbreakers fans think its a mistake because they don't like Fleetwood Mac. If this is true why would you not bring back Billy? Maybe Billy is pissed and that is why he is acting so childish. If true, I feel bad for Christine. She came back to this silly drama.

I think he was treated a bit sh!tty by the band- Mick in particular. I'm not sure he has any loyalty to them. Anyway, if Mick is going to freely blab to Billy then its his fault when word gets out and, yes, he probably does feel annoyed not to be a go-to person for an extra member.

[TrueFaith77]

Rick Vito makes more sense as a go-to given Micks Bkues Band

[bwboy]

WTF
Its creepy with these rumors. Not long ago Lindsey was the most optimistic about Fleetwood Mac saying the big tour was not the last (while other members talked it could be the swan song). What irks me is the disrespect Billy Burnette is showing. You don't leak information like this on twitter then stay silent. You let the band announce something first. Its almost like a relative announcing a divorce of their best friend or sibling to the world before the couple speaks. Its just very juvenile and bad taste IMHO.
I guess maybe Stevie got her way after all if this is true. I was reading that most Heartbreakers fans think its a mistake because they don't like Fleetwood Mac. If this is true why would you not bring back Billy? Maybe Billy is pissed and that is why he is acting so childish. If true, I feel bad for Christine. She came back to this silly drama.

Disrespect? Billy really owes the band nothing. And if Mick really didn't want word to spread, he shouldn't have told Billy. Billy has a right to share the news- it's not his secret. People want to be angry, be angry with the band, not Billy Burnette or Mike Campbell.

And why feel bad for Christine? She has a voice in who gets fired, etc. If she doesn't like it, she can pack up and make another album and tour with Lindsey. One person doesn't make this kind of decision for the entire band, and if they did and Christine disagrees with it, she has options.

All speculation anyway. But I think any anger or frustration directed at Billy is misplaced and should be projected where it belongs- the 5 members of the band.

[nicepace]

If there is anything more to this than just a rumour, why isn't there anything about it on Rollingstone.com? On Yahoo news? On the New York Times, for chrissake?

I don't believe for a second that there is any validity to any of this. Some of the posters on this thread have intimated that they have real info from folks that have a connection to the band, but no one has said what folks, what connection, and what info. "It's just second hand news, just second hand news."

On the other hand, if something like this were to happen, I'd hope that Christine would leave with him so they can do BuckVie2, which is what many fans want anyway, much more than another Big Machine tour.

[sue]

I don’t believe any of this crap.
It’s rumour on rumour......
Added to by us/you/me.
It’s like it’s fun to imagine Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey.
There is no hard fact.
The only thing that concerns me, slightly, where’s the news of the the world tour..

[onlynow]

I am having trouble pullling up on my phone some of the fb pages/groups w posts suggesting Mike will replace Lindsey. Any screenshots of such posts are appreciated!

[Lola]

I don't do twitter but I found this:

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to clarify: i mean that it's basically all but confirmed EXCEPT a press release. like we're just in a waiting game at this point.
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THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. He was so understanding when she wanted to do IYD rather than tour with FM. and he was even more sympathetic when she lost her mom and wanted to do 24kg instead of Fleetwood Mac. He asks the band for one favor and he gets kicked out? NOT ON MY WATCHmiranda ✨ added,
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I love Stevie with all my heart and soul but it’s so unfair to Lindsey that she always gets her way. She is able to enjoy all of her solo tours, why must she deny Lindsey his? It’s sad
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I won't go in to the sad truth that we wouldn't have our Stevie Nicks without Lindsey. That's for another day. but anyways it's all over the Mike Campbell groups, and he was seen in Hawaii with Stevie and Mick. it's all but confirmed with a press release.
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at MusiCares and told us all how gratifying it is to be a part of something that has lasted so long, and that he only has love for his lifetime band members. I'm sick and tired of people treating him so ****ty when he created this band's sound from the ground up.
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and Stevie was not having it, and she gave Mick an ultimatum either he leaves or she isn't touring w/ them. And Mick only has one thing on his mind ever, so he made his decision. And now FM will end on a truly terrible note, right after Lindsey ****ing poured his heart out
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so this time around he had a solo album which had already been put on hold for over a year. and he asked Fleetwood Mac if they would be able to work around solo dates so he would be able to do both at the same time because uh. Let's face it. Time is of the essence w/ these folks.


So here's my question---When the Pretenders toured with Stevie they played their own shows in between dates opening for her. If Lindsey wanted to do solo shows in between Mac shows what's the big friggin deal?? Could this really be the issue?! Initially I thought it was Billy trying to drum up book sales. The forum link I posted yesterday in now dead as others have noted. I remember a post from the first page that said Lindsey wanted a day or 2 off from the tour. That post corresponds to these tweets.

[dreamsunwind]

I have a very hard time believing this is true. There's no way this has anything to do with Stevie-Lindsey issues because if they survived the 70s and 80s they can deal with each other enough in old age.

The only reason it could possibly be true is if he did ask for some days off the next tour. But even that is just so hard to believe that they'd give him the boot for it. And would they really be willing to tarnish the legacy of the band like this?

[Lola]

Found this on Facebook, I condensed it:




Joe Compton
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The truth re my April 1 post - Mike will be lead guitarist on Fleetwood Mac tour ; Lindsey-Nicks issues came to a head-LB fired.


Joe Compton I expect a singing gtr player to be added


Bonnie Caryn Joe: Thank you and its true. I have 6-7 sources are saying same. Mike is going to be with FM on tour. Will be interesting to see if we get a new Fleetwood Mac album from this new band reconfiguration. I am very sorry to see Lindsey go. I do feel he will be well supported in his solo endeavors. xoxo
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Patricia Rodriguez Can you name one of your 6-7 sources?
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Joe Compton Bonnie Caryn---thanks for doing your research and confirming the truth of this. I must say I am surprised how many fans of Mike fail to grasp what a good chance this is for Mike to shine


Bonnie Caryn Billy Burnette has advised Mick threw Lindsey out. Other sources connected to the band were privately telling folks this for weeks.
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Bonnie Caryn Billy was rejected this time as Lindseys replacement. He went public with the story.
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Dave Holley why is Billy involved? he replaced LB for "Behind the Mask" but hasn't been in the band since LB's return
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Bonnie Caryn Dave: Because Billy was under brief consideration as a Linds replacement this time wasnt selected. He went public on his own facebook wall that Lindsey was out, he wasnt chosen this time to replace him and Mick threw Lindsey out. xoxo


Lindsey fired....Mick threw him out.....
OMG, I can barely type

[Iamwilliame]

If this is how it all ends, it will be very hard for me to even enjoy their music again. Stevie has said how many times she would not be the one to break up Fleetwood Mac? If she gives an ultimatum where they have to choose her or Lindsey or she is out, that's exactly what she is doing. Obviously, we don't know if that is the case, and maybe Lindsey did do something truly horrible to set her off. I don't know. Hell, most of us have to work with people we don't like sometimes. Making the kind of money they do, having little to no interaction with one another offstage, and knowing this is probably the last big tour anyway, I'm pretty sure I could get through it. It would sadden me to see them end this way as a tribute band featuring members of Fleetwood Mac. Enough is enough! I just want them to break up and leave each other to their own thing.

[dreamsunwind]

Wow....so either Mick is disgustingly money grubbing and truly has no shame and/or Stevie is truly a diva or has had her brain messed up from Tom dying. This is horrible.

[Lola]

If this is true it's beyond clusterf*ck. Way past that point. This is FUBAR

[dreamsunwind]

Just break up the band. The legacy is going to be ruined if this actually happens.

[Iamwilliame]

The two I feel sorry for the most in all this is John And Chris. It's crap that after all they have been through personally and with the band, they still have to put up with this kind of bs.

[Lola]

I agree. Call it something else, make some distinction between the 5 fireflies and this new project with Mike Campbell.
How the hell did we get here? Christine comes back, long FM tour, Stevie tour, BuckVie album and tour----everything was grand and now this.

[Lola]

The two I feel sorry for the most in all this is John And Chris. It's crap that after all they have been through personally and with the band, they still have to put up with this kind of bs.

I'd like to know what Chris is thinking. She doesn't have to go along with this, neither does John. They don't deserve this foolishness.

[Dr.Brown]

If any of these 'Rumours' are true about Lindsey being kicked out of the band just as they were getting ready to embark on what probably would have been Fleetwood Mac's farewell tour, then I think it's just time for them to hang it all up as a band.:(

And if this decision was based on finances, with Mick figuring Stevie is a bigger draw than Lindsey, then to hell with them - I have no interest in a lineup which I'd christen Mike Campbell and the Fartbreakers.:mad:

[fleetwoodguy79]

No way this is real. It's as many of you have posted a push for Billy's book, which is shameful in this circumstance.

No way this band blows the whole thing up at this point in their career; they know it's near the end.

[dreamsunwind]

So from what I'm getting from everything is that Lindsey asked for some days off from the next tour or to change the schedule of the tour around those days (I guess to do his solo stuff?), Stevie insisted no and gave Mick an ultimatum and since she's the cash cow and Mick has no shame he agreed to it?

If this actually is true then I'll never be able to look at Stevie or Mick the same. It's no secret Mick just wants money but I never imagined Stevie would pull such a dirty move. Especially considering the HUGE amount of catering that the band has done to suit her schedules and her solo projects. I truly think Tom dying messed with her brain.

[sodascouts]

Do we know if it was because Lindsey wanted time off to tour? That's just a guess, right?

For all we know, Lindsey made fun of Stevie rambling at MusiCares or told her she went on too long about Tom or something, and she became enraged and ordered Mick to fire him.

.... if it's true. I still pray it's not.

[Iamwilliame]

I have tremendous respect for Mike Campbell as a musician. I've no doubts he can play the hell out of the songs. It does bother me that he would agree to this gig.

It also angers me all the more because of how they went through so much trouble not to piss Stevie off with the Buckingham/ McVie project which was as much if not more a Fleetwood Mac album than Tango or SYW!

Why do I get the feeling Mick and Stevie will be the only ones of the five still touring (or playing Vegas) as Fleetwood Mac in a few years?

[RudieCantFail]

Do we know if it was because Lindsey wanted time off to tour? That's just a guess, right?

For all we know, Lindsey made fun of Stevie rambling at MusiCares or told her she went on too long about Tom or something, and she became enraged and ordered Mick to fire him.

.... if it's true. I still pray it's not.

Is she seriously that sensitive? If Lindsey is that sensitive too, okay then. She can't take a joke of any sort? She has the money and fame over him.

[Lola]

No way this is real. It's as many of you have posted a push for Billy's book, which is shameful in this circumstance.

No way this band blows the whole thing up at this point in their career; they know it's near the end.

It's inconceivable they'd go out like this, right? In the steve hoffman forum someone speculated this was actually a well planned way to excite the fans/increase sales for the "farewell" tour. Lindsey's out! Mike Campbell to replace him! Upheaval and drama then at the last minute the band works it out and Lindsey's back. Tickets go on sale to relieved fans who were scared they'd lost they're last chance to see the Rumors lineup. See how that works...kinda tinfoil hat but who am I to say. I hope and pray we get a final tour with a revised set list and a new album but I felt a little queasy when I read those tweets/facebook.

[sodascouts]

Is she seriously that sensitive? If Lindsey is that sensitive too, okay then. She can't take a joke of any sort? She has the money and fame over him.

I just threw that out there with absolutely no evidence at all as an illustration of the fact that it could be any number of scenarios.

That being said, if this is true and Stevie issued an ultimatum, I'd lay odds on it being a result of her going ballistic over something personal rather than a business-related conflict.

[liddybvck]

I agree that FM just needs to throw in the towel. You can't really have FM without Lindsey considering he's just as important as everyone else is. This could just be me, but I think that maybe they'll lose stadium seats because it's not the complete Rumours lineup which people love so much. I think throwing Lindsey out was a bad idea.

[BigAl84]

No from what was going around he didn't ask for days off he asked once to delay the tour and then asked again for a second delay....however, now it's being said he asked if they could arrange dates so he could do both at the same time and it went south from there.

[BigAl84]

And Mick and Stevie were both in agreement that Christine McVie could be replaced with Sheryl Crow. Those two are a match made in heaven. No wonder they are tight. What a pair...

They all talk about the love between one another, yet it all seems to completely evaporate the minute money is involved.

[RudieCantFail]

It's inconceivable they'd go out like this, right? In the steve hoffman forum someone speculated this was actually a well planned way to excite the fans/increase sales for the "farewell" tour. Lindsey's out! Mike Campbell to replace him! Upheaval and drama then at the last minute the band works it out and Lindsey's back. Tickets go on sale to relieved fans who were scared they'd lost they're last chance to see the Rumors lineup. See how that works...kinda tinfoil hat but who am I to say. I hope and pray we get a final tour with a revised set list and a new album but I felt a little queasy when I read those tweets/facebook.

Oh my goodness, that's a terrible conspiracy theory. I still would not buy tickets, even if they did pull a ridiculous bait and switch like that.

-----
I just threw that out there with absolutely no evidence at all as an illustration of the fact that it could be any number of scenarios.

That being said, if this is true and Stevie issued an ultimatum, I'd lay odds on it being a result of her going ballistic over something personal rather than a business-related conflict.

@sodascouts, I see. I honestly hope the reasoning is as ridiculous as it sounds. It really does not make a whole ton of sense, but I can't help to think there's some sort of grain of truth. In whatever way they're going to spin this [if there's truth], I would think they would either pin it on LB or just say something along the lines of 'irreconcilable differences.' I would rather hear a band divorce stemming from 'irreconcilable differences' and keep us hanging. Whatever the real reason is [if there is one], it would be bonkers.

[xhector]

Fleetwood Mac is dead without producing new music. If this news are true, it may seem like Stevie is pissed that Lindsey is still creative and productive.
Well, more room for Lindsey to keep being the artist he is. I say, don't look back and do a setlist of just post-2000 material, including the new album (which would be a super strong setlist), and let the others do their zombie pre-1990 thing, which is irrelevant.

[BigAl84]

If it's true, it bothers the heck out of me that Mike agreed. If it were me, I would look at them and say "are you NUTS, we just lost Tom. Do you know what I would give to play with him again. You are all in the last chapter, go home and work it out"

Of all of the stuff floating around, Mike agreeing to step into this is the hardest for me to even remotely understand.

[dreamsunwind]

That being said, if this is true and Stevie issued an ultimatum, I'd lay odds on it being a result of her going ballistic over something personal rather than a business-related conflict.

I personally disagree; they survived probably the most horrible personal fights. For this to happen I think it was a business conflict and whoever in charge basically showing that they care about money more than loyalty.

[FuzzyPlum]

I'm still hoping its not true, but it increasingly seems it really is. Don't know whether to be sad, frustrated or angry. Unfortunately the passive fans who will buy tickets will be largely oblivious or maybe even welcome this line up change so I'm not sure it would impact on sales.
I have no interest in seeing a new Fleetwood Mac, though I'm considering buying a ticket just to boo.

[RudieCantFail]

I'm still hoping its not true, but it increasingly seems it really is. Don't know whether to be sad, frustrated or angry. Unfortunately the passive fans who will buy tickets will be largely oblivious or maybe even welcome this line up change so I'm not sure it would impact on sales.
I have no interest in seeing a new Fleetwood Mac, though I'm considering buying a ticket just to boo.

Nooo! Don't feed the big machine! Just roast them on social media because there are probably going to be some concert videos.

[bombaysaffires]

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/04/booming/stevie-nicks-just-following-her-muse.html

Feb 2014 with Stevie in the NYT:


the very last Q&A in the interview:

Interviewer: Can you imagine a time when Fleetwood Mac will come to an end?

Stevie: It will probably become less physical and involve less travel. But I don’t see Fleetwood Mac ever really stopping.

[dreamsunwind]

No from what was going around he didn't ask for days off he asked once to delay the tour and then asked again for a second delay....however, now it's being said he asked if they could arrange dates so he could do both at the same time and it went south from there.

I did a lot of digging around on all the threads and talk about it on FB and Twitter and while there's a whole bunch of people claiming a whole bunch of different things, this looks like the most accurate summation of it. He very seriously wanted to have dates so he could work on his solo project and they wouldn't give it to him and it got messy. Quite unfair if you ask me considering he's given up his solo material for the band more than once in the past and the band has always bent over backwards so Stevie could have time to do whatever she wants.

[SpyNote]

This is some crazy sh*t. :o

[jkmaletic]

Boy, the Rumours section is really appropriately named right now!

My two cents, this is all rumor that got started from Burnette's weird post. Then the rumor grew several heads in typical social media fashion.

Lindsey is not leaving nor did he get fired. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Jamie

[sue]

Boy, the Rumours section is really appropriately named right now!

My two cents, this is all rumor that got started from Burnette's weird post. Then the rumor grew several heads in typical social media fashion.

Lindsey is not leaving nor did he get fired. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Jamie

You’ve hit the nail on the proverbial....
Totally agree with you.
Talk about whipped up rumour.....someone selling something by any chance ?

[SisterNightroad]

Boy, the Rumours section is really appropriately named right now!

My two cents, this is all rumor that got started from Burnette's weird post. Then the rumor grew several heads in typical social media fashion.

Lindsey is not leaving nor did he get fired. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Jamie
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0283/56/1384880948845.jpg

[Macfan4life]

Gosh I hope you guys are right. The circumstantial evidence is just spooky IMHO.

The Billy Burnette post on twitter.
Once reported, Burnette's twitter it taken down then reappears with same post
Post cannot be book promotion since because it does not just say Lindsey out... it goes on to say he was not asked to join and seems upset about it. The book tells the story how he WAS asked to join. Plus what a horrible person Billy would be to post something like this as a joke.

The Mike Campbell addition is very specific and odd. The Heartbreakers boards are exploding with comment on this. So far Mike has not stopped any rumors or shut it down.

People are tweeting Mick about this and he is silent.

People speculated weeks ago that it was oddly silent about tour rehearsals

If untrue I am floored that Burnette would pull such a stunt. Just imagine Lindsey's reaction let alone the rest of the band. It just does not make sense to me. It would be like Sheryl Crow tweeting "Stevie out of Fleetwood Mac...I am available if they need me"

[MikeVielhaber]

Gosh I hope you guys are right. The circumstantial evidence is just spooky IMHO.

The Billy Burnette post on twitter.
Once reported, Burnette's twitter it taken down then reappears with same post
Post cannot be book promotion since because it does not just say Lindsey out... it goes on to say he was not asked to join and seems upset about it. The book tells the story how he WAS asked to join. Plus what a horrible person Billy would be to post something like this as a joke.

The Mike Campbell addition is very specific and odd. The Heartbreakers boards are exploding with comment on this. So far Mike has not stopped any rumors or shut it down.

People are tweeting Mick about this and he is silent.

People speculated weeks ago that it was oddly silent about tour rehearsals

Right and we have nothing to go on for us to dismiss this out of hand. We don’t have a single source yet that contradicts this info. Until we do we have to consider that it could be true.

[FuzzyPlum]

[QUOTE=MikeVielhaber;1221585]Right and we have nothing to go on for us to dismiss this out of hand. We don’t have a single source yet that contradicts this info. Until we do we have to consider that it could be true.[/QUO

...and given its been four days now, surely if there was no truth to it somebody would have said something by now, surely. I mean, their names are being tarnished. Somebody would definitely say something to somebody, somehow just to quell the rumours.

[NotonRodeo]

By this time the rumour has spread so far that the only people who can deny or confirm it are Mick, Campbell, and Lindsey themselves. I can understand why, if the rumour is true, Fleetwood Mac and Campbell would want to keep quiet about it until they're ready--they know the fallout will be devastating, and they want to market this as positively as they possibly could under the circumstances. They need to present this as somehow an improvement, however absurd that may seem to us. How else to justify the cash grab tour?

Lindsey on the other hand--why isn't he talking? If he was fired why hasn't he gone to the media and ranted? Certainly he wasn't reticent about his feelings when this exact thing happened 30 years ago. If he is still in the band, by the same token he should have said so by this time.

I suspect that, as usual with this band, there is even more of a backstory than has been speculated, and that the supposed altercation, whatever it was, during the Musicares event was just a foretaste of the horrors that followed.

[Iamwilliame]

Lindsey has to be careful how he reacts to this publicly because anything he says which would seem like an attack on the band, and especially Stevie, could destroy any chance he has of moving on successfully as a solo artist. His connections within the industry could be greatly affected by any fallout over this. I think he will let them be the ones to go public with the news before he shares his side of the story.

[bwboy]

No from what was going around he didn't ask for days off he asked once to delay the tour and then asked again for a second delay....however, now it's being said he asked if they could arrange dates so he could do both at the same time and it went south from there.

I agree with DreamsUnwind and BigAl...this scenario makes a lot of sense. I would add that reviews of the 2 stadium dates FM did last year suggested LB seemed unhappy or frustrated, and he himself acknowledged he only did them because he was contracted to, perhaps because the 2 dates interrupted his Buck/Vie tour. Maybe FM felt his attitude would continue during the tour, with LB happier during his solo tour, and then being unhappy performing with FM? Or maybe LB quit FM like he did in 1987?

I really don't believe it was a case of wanting to simply rearrange a few dates... heck, the other members would probably appreciate a few days off during the tour! True, the band used to be inflexible, such as letting SN only perform a dozen cities for her first solo tour, so she could record Mirage. But then they significantly shortened their Mirage tour for LB, so they did loosen up, especially in the last 20 years, allowing CM to leave and come back. If LB is out, it was not something as simple as rearranging a few tour dates, and it could even be his decision.

[Iamwilliame]

So will Stand Back be early in the new setlist or an encore?:laugh:

[jmn3]

So will Stand Back be early in the new setlist or an encore?:laugh:

Replaces GYOW as the last song in the main set of course....Edge and I Need to Know in the encore :eek:

[BigAl84]

Oh I could see it being a giant issue if he asked to work it out so he could do solo dates and a FM tour at the same time. Are you kidding, Stevie would go bonkers. That's her biggest MO these days, talk about all the things she had to put on hold for the Fleetwood Mac tour. I can almost hear it go down in my head "Lindsey I've always made sacrifices for this band and have had to put my solo career on hold and now you want to do both at the same time..." I mean come on, smoke would be coming out of her ears.

Don't be surprised if we find out this was a result of a pretty stupid and childish argument. This is Fleetwood Mac, don't expect rational adult behavior.

[BigAl84]

Also, depending on how this goes we may never get all the details. If a cash settlement is involved with some sort of separation agreement, I'm sure there will be a gag order involved so nobody talks...

[AnthonyMI]

What was that LB said about “cycles”?

I thought he was talking about Bicycles! Turns out he was talking about being fired from Fleetwood mac

[Macfan4life]

If this is over scheduling solo gigs along with the Mac tour, its outrageous the way Lindsey is being treated. First mistake, NEVER sign and be contractually obligated for a tour 2 years away. That's just dumb.
The band totally caters to Stevie's plans and tours. If Christine or Stevie did this, there would not be any speculation of replacing either of them for a tour. Why is Lindsey treated different and collateral damage?
1987 Lindsey shelved his solo album to bring Mick out of bankruptcy for Tango
2013 Lindsey agreed to another back to back world tour to welcome back Christine
2016/17 Lindsey tired of waiting for Stevie to join them records with Christine and does a tour
2018 Lindsey asks for a little time to promote his solo album? And the band goes on without him? Replace him?
Give me a break. If any of this is true, its obscene :eek:

[sodascouts]

I personally disagree; they survived probably the most horrible personal fights. For this to happen I think it was a business conflict and whoever in charge basically showing that they care about money more than loyalty.

I see your point, but I'd like to know where this alternate theory of Lindsey asking the Mac to work around his solo tour came from.

[jmn3]

If this is over scheduling solo gigs along with the Mac tour, its outrageous the way Lindsey is being treated. First mistake, NEVER sign and be contractually obligated for a tour 2 years away. That's just dumb.
The band totally caters to Stevie's plans and tours. If Christine or Stevie did this, there would not be any speculation of replacing either of them for a tour. Why is Lindsey treated different and collateral damage?
1987 Lindsey shelved his solo album to bring Mick out of bankruptcy for Tango
2013 Lindsey agreed to another back to back world tour to welcome back Christine
2016/17 Lindsey tired of waiting for Stevie to join them records with Christine and does a tour
2018 Lindsey asks for a little time to promote his solo album? And the band goes on without him? Replace him?
Give me a break. If any of this is true, its obscene :eek:

You could probably add 1996 in there too when yet another of his solo albums essentially brought the band back together for The Dance. And it if wasn't for The Dance, Fleetwood Mac in whatever form it would have taken would have forever been on the county fair circuit paired with one or two other has beens every summer. Seriously, if any of this is true and they actually decided to replace Lindsey to go on yet another greatest hits tour, obscene doesn't even begin to describe it.

[Macfan4life]

I agree with DreamsUnwind and BigAl...this scenario makes a lot of sense. I would add that reviews of the 2 stadium dates FM did last year suggested LB seemed unhappy or frustrated, and he himself acknowledged he only did them because he was contracted to, perhaps because the 2 dates interrupted his Buck/Vie tour. Maybe FM felt his attitude would continue during the tour, with LB happier during his solo tour, and then being unhappy performing with FM? Or maybe LB quit FM like he did in 1987?

I really don't believe it was a case of wanting to simply rearrange a few dates... heck, the other members would probably appreciate a few days off during the tour! True, the band used to be inflexible, such as letting SN only perform a dozen cities for her first solo tour, so she could record Mirage. But then they significantly shortened their Mirage tour for LB, so they did loosen up, especially in the last 20 years, allowing CM to leave and come back. If LB is out, it was not something as simple as rearranging a few tour dates, and it could even be his decision.
Don't believe the fairy tale from Stevie's stage banter during her last tour. She made herself out as some heroine that cut her 1981 solo tour short and rushed off to France to solidify her devotion to Fleetwood Mac.
Sounds great, right?
All members were contractually obligated to record 1 more album with Warner Brothers before 1982. All members knew the time they had to get back to the studio. The Tusk tour went on for over a year and then 1981 solo stuff. All members (not just Stevie) needed to finish up everything and be in France in early 1982.
If this was not the case, I don't think the band would have cared Stevie had a successful solo album and wanted a few more months to tour. She knew the timeframe and made it work for her the best she could just like the other members.

[GypsySorcerer]

I'm loath to believe any of the rumors at this point, as nothing has been reported from a more legitimate news source. If, however, on the off-chance this is true, these people are utterly ridiculous. They're all old AF, get over yourselves already. :rolleyes:

[DreamIsOver]

I know it's hard to give Mick the benefit of the doubt, but it is entirely possible he - and John and Christine - are siding with Lindsey on whatever issue Stevie has which would explain the silence on the tour and Mick's "when words fail" post. Maybe Stevie and her camp have been trying to sell Mick on this Mike Campbell idea for a couple months and now leaked it to try to force Mick's hand.

[FuzzyPlum]

I know it's hard to give Mick the benefit of the doubt, but it is entirely possible he - and John and Christine - are siding with Lindsey on whatever issue Stevie has which would explain the silence on the tour and Mick's "when words fail" post. Maybe Stevie and her camp have been trying to sell Mick on this Mike Campbell idea for a couple months and now leaked it to try to force Mick's hand.


But all of this came out because Billy said Mick told him he had fired Lindsey. He's subsequently doubled down on this.
The dream is indeed over.

[FuzzyPlum]

But all of this came out because Billy said Mick told him he had fired Lindsey. He's subsequently doubled down on this.
The dream is indeed over.


That reminds me, Neil Finn was with Mick at his restaurant last month. I don't want to stoke any rumours but I wonder if he could be considered as an additional vocalist.
EDIT: I was reminded of the Crowded House song Don't Dream Its Over btw.

[In Your Dreams]

But all of this came out because Billy said Mick told him he had fired Lindsey. He's subsequently doubled down on this.
The dream is indeed over.

Billy's post doesn't mention he heard this from Mick from what I've seen posted.

I wonder if the reason we haven't heard anything official is because things are trying to be worked out and nothing final has been decided. I thought Chis mentioned awhile back that they all signed on for this tour. So maybe there was some backpedaling by Lindsey around timing and all things are being discussed based on contracts. They are basically covering all possible scenarios if in fact they are contractually obligated to tour this year. This could be a back up plan or worst case scenario that is being discussed in the event things can't be delayed or worked out.

[DreamIsOver]

But all of this came out because Billy said Mick told him he had fired Lindsey. He's subsequently doubled down on this.
The dream is indeed over.

My personal take is Billy herad a rumor and sensed an opportunity to inject himself into it sell some books and took it. A FM/Billy Burnette reunion would not instill any credibility in a Lindsey-less tour and I find the notion that Mick would even briefly entertain the idea absurd.

By the way, my username is not intended and should not be read as any sort of commentary on this situation. I've used the same handle on music boards like the Steve Hoffman Forum and the Van Halen links for over 15 years.

[MikeVielhaber]

Billy's post doesn't mention he heard this from Mick from what I've seen posted.

I wonder if the reason we haven't heard anything official is because things are trying to be worked out and nothing final has been decided. I thought Chis mentioned awhile back that they all signed on for this tour. So maybe there was some backpedaling by Lindsey around timing and all things are being discussed based on contracts. They are basically covering all possible scenarios if in fact they are contractually obligated to tour this year. This could be a back up plan or worst case scenario that is being discussed in the event things can't be delayed or worked out.

He did say it in a comment on Facebook. It was not in the original post.

[MikeVielhaber]

By the way, my username is not intended and should not be read as any sort of commentary on this situation. I've used the same handle on music boards like the Steve Hoffman Forum and the Van Halen links for over 15 years.

Love that Van Halen song.

[Lola]

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/billy-burnette-lindsey-buckingham-is-out-of-fleetwood-mac.743787/page-14

This thread is back up in case anyone didn't get a chance to read it before. Trying to think outside the box here--maybe the Heartbreakers will tour with FM instead of it being a Lindsey or Mike situation. I'm sure Stevie and Mike are devastated over Tom's death. This could be a way for them to work together and pay tribute to Tom. Stevie can sing with FM and do a few songs with the Heartbreakers. I don't even know how this would work, just trying to imagine something besides LB was fired.

[secondhandchain]

Lindsey tours are only a couple of months. This whole situation if it’s true is ridiculous. I wasn’t going to see a new music less tour anyway , but a LB less tour? No freaking way. This coming from somebody who was the biggest SN fan until the last couple of years , if it’s true is has something to do with her recent insufferableness.

[Macfan4life]

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/billy-burnette-lindsey-buckingham-is-out-of-fleetwood-mac.743787/page-14

This thread is back up in case anyone didn't get a chance to read it before. Trying to think outside the box here--maybe the Heartbreakers will tour with FM instead of it being a Lindsey or Mike situation. I'm sure Stevie and Mike are devastated over Tom's death. This could be a way for them to work together and pay tribute to Tom. Stevie can sing with FM and do a few songs with the Heartbreakers. I don't even know how this would work, just trying to imagine something besides LB was fired.
I don't understand how that would work. The Mac already has a sold out arena. Why bring the Heartbreakers so Stevie can sing with them? If that is something Stevie wants to do in her solo time, it sounds wonderful. But lets stick with Mac members for Mac music.

[onlynow]

The most recent Joe Compton post on the MC fan page on fb seems to have been removed.

[mottabam]

I'm very skeptical of all the rumors surrounding Buckingham either leaving the band or possibly being fired, or the ultimatum from Stevie. At this stage of the game it just doesn't make sense. I personally hope it is all just made up nonsense.
I've seen the band on every tour since 1982 through all the line ups including the short lived "Time" era band. When Christine returned to the band I couldn't be happier, sort of felt like the Dance era again. This is the way I want to remember the band should they decide to call it a day and hang up the instruments. End it on a high note. For your last tour, or farewell tour, to be with a replacement guitarist makes no sense to me and I would prefer to stay home rather than dish out cash to see a new band member taking a legends spot, no matter if they are well known or not.
I was so looking forward to this 2018 tour but feel uncomfortable should any of the speculation end up being true.

[APerfectLie]

Mike Campbell’s ex wife’s second cousin twice removed confirmed to someone via a now removed sub tweet that Stevie’s ultimatum was that Fleetwood Mac must record a new album prior to touring because she has so many songs that she has not been able to release over the last four years and the world deserves one last kick ass Mac album! Lindsey was adamant that records don’t make money, but everyone knows he just doesn’t have any good material anymore! So he chose to not record with them and they fired him and hit the studio and the new album titled “And the Band Played On...” comes out June 6, 2018. ;)

In all seriousness though, this whole thing has gotten cray cray with no reliable sources (Billy Burnette’s cryptic posts that seem to be deleted and someone claiming to be Tom Petty’s official photographer??). My guess is this is all a load of BS, but we shall see... Regardless of what happens, I will still go see any of them play here in Austin.

[gldstwmn]

Can Benmont come too?

[bombaysaffires]

If this is over scheduling solo gigs along with the Mac tour, its outrageous the way Lindsey is being treated. First mistake, NEVER sign and be contractually obligated for a tour 2 years away. That's just dumb.
The band totally caters to Stevie's plans and tours. If Christine or Stevie did this, there would not be any speculation of replacing either of them for a tour. Why is Lindsey treated different and collateral damage?
1987 Lindsey shelved his solo album to bring Mick out of bankruptcy for Tango
2013 Lindsey agreed to another back to back world tour to welcome back Christine
2016/17 Lindsey tired of waiting for Stevie to join them records with Christine and does a tour
2018 Lindsey asks for a little time to promote his solo album? And the band goes on without him? Replace him?
Give me a break. If any of this is true, its obscene :eek:


Well let's be accurate. Stevie didn't necessarily want to do the 2013 back to back tour after Christine returned but she did it as well. Chris's return threw a monkey wrench in a number of people's plans.

That said, your overall point that he has certainly changed/given up many of his plans to accommodate the band is spot on. Stevie also has, but she has most definitely not been the only one to do so. It's part of being in a band-- you don't always get what you want.

[Frankenstein]

Stevie is a paycheck member at this point. Why would she get THAT upset about the delay of a tour she probably wasn’t much looking forward to in the first place?

Then again, pettiness and drama knows no bounds in the FM realm.

[Iamwilliame]

Mike Campbell’s ex wife’s second cousin twice removed confirmed to someone via a now removed sub tweet that Stevie’s ultimatum was that Fleetwood Mac must record a new album prior to touring because she has so many songs that she has not been able to release over the last four years and the world deserves one last kick ass Mac album! Lindsey was adamant that records don’t make money, but everyone knows he just doesn’t have any good material anymore! So he chose to not record with them and they fired him and hit the studio and the new album titled “And the Band Played On...” comes out June 6, 2018. ;)

In all seriousness though, this whole thing has gotten cray cray with no reliable sources (Billy Burnette’s cryptic posts that seem to be deleted and someone claiming to be Tom Petty’s official photographer??). My guess is this is all a load of BS, but we shall see... Regardless of what happens, I will still go see any of them play here in Austin.

Even crazier is how likely it actually is that Stevie would say something like that.

[David]

Mike Campbell wants to play a set of Fleetwood Mac every night for a year?

Hooboy.

[jbrownsjr]

Does this mean no Buckingham/Nicks II release? :shrug:

[mottabam]

My dream would be for them to tour behind a great new album, whether it be a farewell tour or not, although we pretty much know that is very unlikely.

If it ends up being a greatest hits type farewell tour with the 5 current members I'm all in and would most likely go to multiple dates and look forward to it greatly.

As much as I like the Heartbreakers, I'm not interested in the addition of a new member and think Fleetwood Mac should work through any differences and keep their legacy intact, even if that means no new tour.

[jenniferuk]

The most recent Joe Compton post on the MC fan page on fb seems to have been removed.

It's there and Joe has been commenting today.

[dreamsunwind]

It's there and Joe has been commenting today.

I don't know if I would take this Joe person's comments for truth lol if you look him up he doesn't seem like he's actually connected to anyone besides having taken some pictures. Probably just following the rumors. It's other 'sources' that have me concerned.
But even then, like said, this could all be just a rumor that got started from some weird posts and weirdo old fans on Facebook letting it grow.

[Macfan4life]

I don't know if I would take this Joe person's comments for truth lol if you look him up he doesn't seem like he's actually connected to anyone besides having taken some pictures. Probably just following the rumors. It's other 'sources' that have me concerned.
But even then, like said, this could all be just a rumor that got started from some weird posts and weirdo old fans on Facebook letting it grow.
I would disagree its a weird post. Mick's friend for the last 40 years, musician in Mick's Zoo and Fleetwood Mac tweets:

Billy Burnette
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@Billy_Burnette
Apr 4

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Dreams has re-entered the billboard charts at #14. Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC

Its a very specific post coming from someone very close to Mick and the band.

[dreamsunwind]

I would disagree its a weird post. Mick's friend for the last 40 years, musician in Mick's Zoo and Fleetwood Mac tweets:

Billy Burnette
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@Billy_Burnette
Apr 4

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Dreams has re-entered the billboard charts at #14. Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC

Its a very specific post coming from someone very close to Mick and the band.

I mean who even knows? Maybe Billy heard things but can anyone really call him a reliable source of information?
And just about everyone else talking is someone who knows someone who knows someone on a bike who said this etc.
I did read things that seemed plausible but it's all really sketchy in general.

[sodascouts]

I certainly hope you're right.

ETA: this photographer who knows Campbell and has taken some photos for Petty... He may know his stuff with regard to what is happening now (although I hope he doesn't) but I went back and read his posts on that fan group. He is trashing Lindsey by saying he has insider sources who say Lindsey is awful to work with and all this other stuff. He eats up everyone eagerly asking for his insider knowledge, which he's happy to provide. He's also getting really pissed off when people dare question him. He's coming off as a lame pseudo-insider trying to feel like a big man by going to a fan page where he will get "oohs" and "aahs" for any "scoops" he shares. I don't think he knows half as much about Lindsey as he pretends.

That doesn't mean this isn't true; he is just the type to come running to a fan page to share something he heard in order to look important. It just means he's not as high up on the food chain as I first thought, that he likely did not hear this firsthand from Campbell or even secondhand, and that we should take that into consideration.

[jmn3]

I would disagree its a weird post. Mick's friend for the last 40 years, musician in Mick's Zoo and Fleetwood Mac tweets:

Billy Burnette
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@Billy_Burnette
Apr 4

More
Dreams has re-entered the billboard charts at #14. Breaking news: Lindsey Buckingham is out!
New line up to be announced soon and I'm not in it????? A little pissed off but I'll get over it. Good luck FLEETWOOD MAC

Its a very specific post coming from someone very close to Mick and the band.


I'm with you....I don't see how it's a weird post nor in any way how he's referencing his book and the events of Lindsey's 1987 departure from the band. His post (the tweet of this still exists) ends with "it's all in the book" and by looking at his Twitter feed, he's ending everything he posts with that, likely in order to push anyone who sees the tweet to buy his book.

The guy is either making stuff up in what has to be the most ridiculous fake news about Fleetwood Mac since the fake band toured under their name 45 years ago, or he knows something is going on for a fact.

[Iamwilliame]

Stevie is a paycheck member at this point. Why would she get THAT upset about the delay of a tour she probably wasn’t much looking forward to in the first place?

Then again, pettiness and drama knows no bounds in the FM realm.

Because it's Lindsey and she will never throw her full support behind anything that he really wants. To be fair, I'm just as sick of his endless speeches about musical painting and cycles as I am her diva antics. It's my dream to see all five of them together in concert but with Chris and John handling all between song banter.

[button-lip]

Don't understand why FleetwoodMac is doing this if all this talk is true. Unless the band already had the tour pretty much booked and signed, maybe contracts were signed and too much money was going to be lost if they canceled.
I think I remember when Christine came back Mick said the band will only exist at this point with the five of them, that there would never be another line-up.
At this point why don't they just pack it in and keep their legacy intact.

I think they're going to lose money hiring two musicians and selling less tickets without Lindsey. Couldn't they just wait for him?

Mick is a liar. Same with Stevie.

[button-lip]

If it is true then I'd be really pissed off with Christine. Unless Lindsey actually did something ultra-bad then Christine should say FU Stevie, FU Mick and go and work on songs for BuckVie 2.

I'm mad at Christine too. Unless they tell me she voted in favor of Lindsey, no matter what producers have said.

[elle]

Because it's Lindsey and she will never throw her full support behind anything that he really wants. To be fair, I'm just as sick of his endless speeches about musical painting and cycles as I am her diva antics. It's my dream to see all five of them together in concert but with Chris and John handling all between song banter.

like this:
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by far the best intro on that tour! :):thumbsup::]
and she really didn't wanna do it.

[gldstwmn]

Lindsey's crucifixion pose on the Musicares red carpet certainly makes sense now. This has been brewing for a while. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall at that rehearsal or in the backstage area. What the hell happened? If no one got thrown over the hood of a car I'm going to be disappointed.

[gldstwmn]

I think they're going to lose money hiring two musicians and selling less tickets without Lindsey. Couldn't they just wait for him?



Stevie fills arenas on her own. Fleetwood Mac will be fine.

[button-lip]

WTF
I guess maybe Stevie got her way after all if this is true. I was reading that most Heartbreakers fans think its a mistake because they don't like Fleetwood Mac. If this is true why would you not bring back Billy? Maybe Billy is pissed and that is why he is acting so childish. If true, I feel bad for Christine. She came back to this silly drama.

How is it posible that Mick let Stevie choose Lindsey's replacement? It's like if you ask me: who do you choose as his replacement? I'm gonna say Brian May because I'm a Queen fan and everybody around me know that. So we all know Stevie is behind this because Lindsey's replacement comes from Stevie's favorite band. You don't let someone who doesn't play an instrument to choose a guitarist's replacement.

He's letting everybody know Stevie is behind Lindsey's firing.

[button-lip]

Stevie fills arenas on her own. Fleetwood Mac will be fine.

Stevie fills arenas with The Pretenders. And Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey isn't Fleetwood Mac anymore.

[sodascouts]

If this is true, I don't want to hear any "the promoters wanted..." crap. They need to own this.

[gldstwmn]

How is it posible that Mick let Stevie choose Lindsey's replacement? It's like if you ask me: who do you choose as his replacement? I'm gonna say Brian May because I'm a Queen fan and everybody around me know that. So we all know Stevie is behind this because Lindsey's replacement comes from Stevie's favorite band. You don't let someone who doesn't play an instrument to choose a guitarist's replacement.

He's letting everybody know Stevie is behind Lindsey's firing.

I know you're upset but Lindsey worked with Tom and Mike too. Someone posted elsewhere that Mike is far too talented to sit around doing nothing. I'm intrigued with what this incarnation is going to sound like. We might get some new music yet.

[button-lip]

Wow....so either Mick is disgustingly money grubbing and truly has no shame and/or Stevie is truly a diva or has had her brain messed up from Tom dying. This is horrible.

Or both. And yes, it's horrible.

[button-lip]

I know you're upset but Lindsey worked with Tom and Mike too. Someone posted elsewhere that Mike is far too talented to sit around doing nothing. I'm intrigued with what this incarnation is going to sound like. We might get some new music yet.

I'm upset because I'm saying something quite obvious? That a guitarist's replacement should be chosen by someone who plays an instrument?

So Lindsey chose his own replacement because he also worked with Tom and Mike?

So if we're gonna get new music, you think Stevie will now be willing to make that album she didn't want to do with Lindsey around? It won't be a FM album, it will be a FM + HB album.

I'm not intrigued at all with this new incarnation because both Mick and Stevie betrayed Lindsey. Simple as that. He didn't deserve any of this.

[Kubrick2788]

You stop reading the Ledge for a few days and then someone gets fired and replaced! Just finished 13 pages of thread and I'm not sure how I feel about all this. Don't get me wrong, I'm always gonna be more Stevie than Lindsey, but this could be rough. I'm a little sad that something like this may be happening after the five of them finally get back together. I don't care one way or another if there's a final album from them...that's their choice...it would be great to hear something but would it really live up to our expectations? I'm skeptical.

Inserting someone like Mike Campbell is odd only in that he doesn't sing. He's a phenomenal player and could probably match (or even outplay) Lindsey. Tom Petty shows were off the charts because all of those musicians are some of the best at what they do. (Second the idea of Benmont coming along, too!) The only silver lining to this would be no more 'Big Love' and rambly speeches. S&L should both cut the speeches and throw in another two or three songs. Will be anxiously awaiting actual confirmation of this news as it would be completely out of left field in my mind. While I think there would be some desertion by fans, it won't be enough to cause them to rethink this possible firing. So, let's buckle up for the ride!

[button-lip]

I have tremendous respect for Mike Campbell as a musician. I've no doubts he can play the hell out of the songs. It does bother me that he would agree to this gig.

It also angers me all the more because of how they went through so much trouble not to piss Stevie off with the Buckingham/ McVie project which was as much if not more a Fleetwood Mac album than Tango or SYW!

Why do I get the feeling Mick and Stevie will be the only ones of the five still touring (or playing Vegas) as Fleetwood Mac in a few years?

Oh, she was pissed! She just didn't show it.

[gldstwmn]

I'm upset because I'm saying something quite obvious? That a guitarist's replacement should be chosen by someone who plays an instrument?

So Lindsey chose his own replacement because he also worked with Tom and Mike?

So if we're gonna get new music, you think Stevie will now be willing to make that album she didn't want to do with Lindsey around? It won't be a FM album, it will be a FM + HB album.

I'm not intrigued at all with this new incarnation because both Mick and Stevie betrayed Lindsey. Simple as that. He didn't deserve any of this.

We don't know anything at this point. If Stevie had the authority to fire Lindsey from FM he would have been gone a million times by now. If I had to guess I would say it was a majority or unanimous decision. And by god I know this forum likes its Stevie Haterade but the "one who doesn't play an instrument" sells tickets. We don't even know what really happened yet so it's kind of impossible to say what Lindsey did or didn't deserve at this point. Like I said that crucifixion pose from the red carpet was quite telling. This has been brewing for a while now.
http://https://goo.gl/images/PVYyBk

[button-lip]

And Mick and Stevie were both in agreement that Christine McVie could be replaced with Sheryl Crow. Those two are a match made in heaven. No wonder they are tight. What a pair...

They all talk about the love between one another, yet it all seems to completely evaporate the minute money is involved.

Not everybody, just Mick and Stevie. Lindsey would never do that to his band members. On with the show is a testament of his love for them.

[button-lip]

Also, depending on how this goes we may never get all the details. If a cash settlement is involved with some sort of separation agreement, I'm sure there will be a gag order involved so nobody talks...

Oh, I’m sure we will never hear the whole story behind his “departure”.

[jbrownsjr]

sells tickets = mick i'm never touring with him again = lindsey the promoters say you're gone

She does play a tambourine.

[button-lip]

If this is over scheduling solo gigs along with the Mac tour, its outrageous the way Lindsey is being treated. First mistake, NEVER sign and be contractually obligated for a tour 2 years away. That's just dumb.
The band totally caters to Stevie's plans and tours. If Christine or Stevie did this, there would not be any speculation of replacing either of them for a tour. Why is Lindsey treated different and collateral damage?
1987 Lindsey shelved his solo album to bring Mick out of bankruptcy for Tango
2013 Lindsey agreed to another back to back world tour to welcome back Christine
2016/17 Lindsey tired of waiting for Stevie to join them records with Christine and does a tour
2018 Lindsey asks for a little time to promote his solo album? And the band goes on without him? Replace him?
Give me a break. If any of this is true, its obscene :eek:

I hope Mick and Stevie read this because it’s perfect. It won’t make the difference, but still it’s perfect.

[sue]

I still do not believe any of this claptrap..

Can’t wait to say ...Told you so..

There is no hard facts just bubble of bubble of rumour.

[jbrownsjr]

I still do not believe any of this claptrap..

Can’t wait to say ...Told you so..

There is no hard facts just bubble of bubble of rumour.

You can say it to my face!! I'll be in London next month. :wavey:

[sue]

You can say it to my face!! I'll be in London next month. :wavey:

Oh JBsn have a wonderful time, what are you doing in the jolly old UK?

[button-lip]

Don't believe the fairy tale from Stevie's stage banter during her last tour. She made herself out as some heroine that cut her 1981 solo tour short and rushed off to France to solidify her devotion to Fleetwood Mac.
Sounds great, right?
All members were contractually obligated to record 1 more album with Warner Brothers before 1982. All members knew the time they had to get back to the studio. The Tusk tour went on for over a year and then 1981 solo stuff. All members (not just Stevie) needed to finish up everything and be in France in early 1982.
If this was not the case, I don't think the band would have cared Stevie had a successful solo album and wanted a few more months to tour. She knew the timeframe and made it work for her the best she could just like the other members.

When she tells a story onstage is because she wants everybody to feel sorry for her and to thank her for everything she had sacrificed for this band.

[BigAl84]

Rolls eyes...oh right, the stevie hatred. I'm really tempted to compile all of the snide and negative quotes from her in the past 5 years into one sprawling list.

I seriously used to be a huge huge huge Stevie fan and even I can't handle the BS anymore.

[sodascouts]

I adore Stevie, but if this is true, she will have broken my heart into a thousand pieces, and it will be hard to get over my disappointment in her for her treatment of Lindsey and destruction of the definitive Fleetwood Mac.

However, I have to keep reminding myself we do not know the facts yet; we do not know how much of this is true; we do not have official confirmation of anything.

[gldstwmn]

Think he was trying to tell us something?
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[BigAl84]

Remember the enchanted tour when she would explain how nervous she was because she had to do more talking to introduce the acoustic set, which by the way...All of her talking per one enchanted tour show is still shorter than the average current day gypsy intro.

The stories were cute the first time and then it wound up happening two fleetwood Mac tours in a row. Then she completely bloated her 24K set with story time.

When lindsey joked about it and made a sound effect with his guitar, spark flew. That's how little sense of humour she has.

My problem is, I remember the 1997-2001 Stevie and I sincerely miss that part of her. She was funny, humble, and gracious. Anyone who remembers that era is completely lying to themselves if they can't recognize the shift that has happened.

Who would of thought the bitterness would come back with such vengeance so late in the game.

[ryan4136]

I’m very much pro LB. with that said, asking to go on a solo tour is likely being scoffed at because Mic and Stevie probably consider his BuckVie venture a solo effort.

We also know that LB wanted it to be a full fledged FM album/tour...but when it became a BuckVie effort, did Mic want to tour and get paid and did LB shut him out. That might explain some disdain for being asked to push things back.

[gldstwmn]

Rolls eyes...oh right, the stevie hatred. I'm really tempted to compile all of the snide and negative quotes from her in the past 5 years into one sprawling list.



Like I said this has been brewing for a while. I don't think she ever forgave him for Say You Will. We never got the whole story on that either (angry words flying across the ocean like some sea birds, never stopping).

[ryan4136]

Remember the enchanted tour when she would explain how nervous she was because she had to do more talking to introduce the acoustic set, which by the way...All of her talking per one enchanted tour show is still shorter than the average current day gypsy intro.

The stories were cute the first time and then it wound up happening two fleetwood Mac tours in a row. Then she completely bloated her 24K set with story time.

When lindsey joked about it and made a sound effect with his guitar, spark flew. That's how little sense of humour she has.

My problem is, I remember the 1997-2001 Stevie and I sincerely miss that part of her. She was funny, humble, and gracious. Anyone who remembers that era is completely lying to themselves if they can't recognize the shift that has happened.

Who would of thought the bitterness would come back with such vengeance so late in the game.

She has to hide her lack of creativity somehow.

[BigAl84]

I guess when you're a self absorbed artist in your late sixties with nothing left to write about, have any family to ground you, or loved once to remind you of what matters...I guess all one can do is sit in a condo over Santa Monica beach and rehash decades old grudges and obsess about a relationship that ended 30 years ago.

[BigAl84]

I’m very much pro LB. with that said, asking to go on a solo tour is likely being scoffed at because Mic and Stevie probably consider his BuckVie venture a solo effort.

We also know that LB wanted it to be a full fledged FM album/tour...but when it became a BuckVie effort, did Mic want to tour and get paid and did LB shut him out. That might explain some disdain for being asked to push things back.

EXACTLY! That's Mick Fleetwood selective hearing for you. Sure 4/5th of us are going to make an album together but since stevie didn't come aboard, it counts as your solo album with special guests. Next time Stevie has an issue with your solo work, I will throw you under the bus. The bottom line is, something had to be manufactured to break up the love fest between them all minus stevie. It was starting to make her look bad. Buckingham McVie was a nail in her side and now we're paying for it.

She's like Nelly from lite house on the prairie.

[gldstwmn]

She has to hide her lack of creativity somehow.

You mean with In Your Dreams, 24 Karat Gold, an art exhibit, a documentary and touring several continents? Whew I don't know if I could look myself in the mirror if I was that lazy.
Yeah. You're right. Stevie didn't marry and have kids so she must live a lonely, unfulfilled life while pining away for her one true love - Joe Walsh! :]

[BigAl84]

And when you take out all of the demos out of the mix, how much actual new material is there between all of it...

[BigAl84]

Oh and a documentary you manufacture about yourself doesn't count as creativity. That's called hiring a camera crew.

[gldstwmn]

Fine. Stevie Nicks is a horrible human being and Lindsey Buckingham should be nominated for sainthood for putting up with her this long. Happy now? All this and we are no closer to knowing if any of this actually happened. :lol:

[secondhandchain]

Even if it's not true, I bet they are in no hurry to quell the rumours. This board is hopping again and they love the drama.

[dreamsunwind]

I know you're upset but Lindsey worked with Tom and Mike too. Someone posted elsewhere that Mike is far too talented to sit around doing nothing. I'm intrigued with what this incarnation is going to sound like. We might get some new music yet.

That's what's also weird about it. Lindsey and the Heartbreakers are friends. They've worked together in the past and were always complimentary of each other. Tom especially always spoke highly of Lindsey's work.

[ryan4136]

You mean with In Your Dreams, 24 Karat Gold, an art exhibit, a documentary and touring several continents? Whew I don't know if I could look myself in the mirror if I was that lazy.
Yeah. You're right. Stevie didn't marry and have kids so she must live a lonely, unfulfilled life while pining away for her one true love - Joe Walsh! :]

Nearly all of the material on those records are over a decade or two in origin. And only a small portion of it stacks up with her pre-dance material.

[jmn3]

Regardless of what happens or what (if anything) is true about this, I always wondered, if Say You Will (album AND tour apparently) were so dreadful, why did she not just leave Fleetwood Mac in 2005? She was still under 60 and obviously still able to tour on her own and do her own thing under her own rules. I'll never understand why she kept torturing herself? I mean, other than the obvious $$ answer. She could never get from touring on her own what she would get as part of the Fleetwood Mac brand. But her whole attitude change after the Say You Will tour has turned me off to her so much. She's miserable about everything associated with the band.

I don't know what I find more annoying about being a fan of these people, the WEIRD af fans who obsess about the LB/SN relationship and the phoned in stage crap (here's looking at you people who squeal with joy when they hug or put weirdo comments on YouTube saying they are soulmates)...or the fact that Stevie (mostly, but sometimes Lindsey too) still carries grudges about a stupid relationship that ended over 40 years ago.

Either get on with your life or remove this person from your life once and for all - and if that last part is what is happening now, then I call BS on the fact that you didn't just leave 13 years ago.

[ryan4136]

Fine. Stevie Nicks is a horrible human being and Lindsey Buckingham should be nominated for sainthood for putting up with her this long. Happy now? All this and we are no closer to knowing if any of this actually happened. :lol:

Very Stevie of you to turn it up to 1000 when someone refutes a point.

LB is no saint, but Stevie is still in 7th grade sometimes.

[button-lip]

I guess when you're a self absorbed artist in your late sixties with nothing left to write about, have any family to ground you, or loved once to remind you of what matters...I guess all one can do is sit in a condo over Santa Monica beach and rehash decades old grudges and obsess about a relationship that ended 30 years ago.

:nod::nod::xoxo::xoxo:

EXACTLY! That's Mick Fleetwood selective hearing for you. Sure 4/5th of us are going to make an album together but since stevie didn't come aboard, it counts as your solo album with special guests. Next time Stevie has an issue with your solo work, I will throw you under the bus. The bottom line is, something had to be manufactured to break up the love fest between them all minus stevie. It was starting to make her look bad. Buckingham McVie was a nail in her side and now we're paying for it.

She's like Nelly from lite house on the prairie.

No matter what Christine said, she was FURIOUS with BuckVie! She didn't want to do an album but she didn't want anybody to do it either.

[dreamsunwind]

Regardless of what happens or what (if anything) is true about this, I always wondered, if Say You Will (album AND tour apparently) were so dreadful, why did she not just leave Fleetwood Mac in 2005? She was still under 60 and obviously still able to tour on her own and do her own thing under her own rules. I'll never understand why she kept torturing herself? I mean, other than the obvious $$ answer. She could never get from touring on her own what she would get as part of the Fleetwood Mac brand. But her whole attitude change after the Say You Will tour has turned me off to her so much. She's miserable about everything associated with the band.

I don't know what I find more annoying about being a fan of these people, the WEIRD af fans who obsess about the LB/SN relationship and the phoned in stage crap (here's looking at you people who squeal with joy when they hug or put weirdo comments on YouTube saying they are soulmates)...or the fact that Stevie (mostly, but sometimes Lindsey too) still carries grudges about a stupid relationship that ended over 40 years ago.

Either get on with your life or remove this person from your life once and for all - and if that last part is what is happening now, then I call BS on the fact that you didn't just leave 13 years ago.

I think that if the fact that Lindsey asked to either delay the tour or work it around his solo project is true (which it really seems like is what happened, if this is all true), then that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Stevie probably flipped out and then Lindsey probably got madder and I can imagine it all going downhill from there.

[button-lip]

Fine. Stevie Nicks is a horrible human being and Lindsey Buckingham should be nominated for sainthood for putting up with her this long. Happy now? All this and we are no closer to knowing if any of this actually happened. :lol:

I know you're upset but nobody has said Lindsey's a saint. But if he was thrown out of the band by Mick and Stevie just because of some joke at Musicares and some solo tour dates, after 43 years of working with the band, it's totally unfair.

[jmn3]

I think that if the fact that Lindsey asked to either delay the tour or work it around his solo project is true (which it really seems like is what happened, if this is all true), then that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Stevie probably flipped out and then Lindsey probably got madder and I can imagine it all going downhill from there.

If they just reenacted that scene on stage nightly in lieu of a plodding Rhiannon and the 'evolved' Big Love, they could fill stadiums

[jbrownsjr]

Oh JBsn have a wonderful time, what are you doing in the jolly old UK?

I love London. Going to Paris, too! :blob1:

[jbrownsjr]

Fine. Stevie Nicks is a horrible human being and Lindsey Buckingham should be nominated for sainthood for putting up with her this long. Happy now? All this and we are no closer to knowing if any of this actually happened. :lol:

I'm good with that. :laugh:

[button-lip]

I think that if the fact that Lindsey asked to either delay the tour or work it around his solo project is true (which it really seems like is what happened, if this is all true), then that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Stevie probably flipped out and then Lindsey probably got madder and I can imagine it all going downhill from there.

STILL, I refuse to believe a common fight between these two have ended up in Lindsey's being thrown out of the band.

[jmn3]

STILL, I refuse to believe a common fight between these two have ended up in Lindsey's being thrown out of the band.

Same here....unless as someone else mentioned, this went all 1987 with someone ending up on the hood of a car, they've clearly had a million fights over the years that never ended up with someone being FIRED.

They've spent over 20 years now solidifying this band as the Stevie Nicks/Lindsey Buckingham show, with Fleetwood and McVie (sometimes x2) backing them. To even attempt to go on now without Buckingham when clearly the Buckingham McVie album couldn't be called Fleetwood Mac without Nicks, is ludicrous and hopefully not true at all.

[BigAl84]

I'm aware that I probably sound very negative or lindsey biased, but I honestly just can't come up with much of anything to make the case that Stevie has been equally supportive if this band as other members have been.

Neither of them are saints and it's equally frustrating that it seems as if the rest of the band doesn't want to get in the middle of it, so whatever fallout between those two goes unchecked. Mick is the peacekeeper that also just so happens to recognize none of Stevies faults because they are "soulmates" which is exactly the term Mick has used to describe the relationship between him and stevie.

[Dr.Brown]

Mick is the peacekeeper that also just so happens to recognize none of Stevies faults because they are "soulmates" which is exactly the term Mick has used to describe the relationship between him and stevie.

Yes, quite a match these days - joined at the wallet.:mad:

[BigAl84]

Her comments in 2003 really spelled it all out for the decade to come.

"This isn't about music, it's about money"

And then combine it with the legacy preservation and rewriting of history that she clearly participates in...

[bombaysaffires]

make no mistake about it, the level of hate and the level of being motivated (some might say obsessed) by it is equal in both parties (Stevie AND Lindsey).

How far each would go to act on that hatred privately to screw the other one over is open for debate. I say it's a close call. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

I know you're upset but nobody has said Lindsey's a saint.

I might be the only person on this thread that’s not upset. :laugh: It’s all just speculating at this point but no one around here could be accused of missing an opportunity to bash Stevie.

[BigAl84]

Lol the stevie forum is wide open if you want nothing but stevie love. :]:shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Lol the stevie forum is wide open if you want nothing but stevie love. :]:shrug:

Yeah I noticed it you ain’t getting rid of this one.

[button-lip]

make no mistake about it, the level of hate and the level of being motivated (some might say obsessed) by it is equal in both parties (Stevie AND Lindsey).

How far each would go to act on that hatred privately to screw the other one over is open for debate. I say it's a close call. :shrug:

Yeah, but I don’t see Lindsey plotting with Mick to get Stevie fired.

I might be the only person on this thread that’s not upset. :laugh: It’s all just speculating at this point but no one around here could be accused of missing an opportunity to bash Stevie.

What? Should we congratulate her because she got Lindsey fired?

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, but I don’t see Lindsey plotting with Mick to get Stevie fired.



What? Should we congratulate her because she got Lindsey fired?

Do you have some inside information no one else has? We are now accepting as fact that Stevie got Lindsey fired? Please.

[button-lip]

Do you have some inside information no one else has? We are now accepting as fact that Stevie got Lindsey fired? Please.

Well, she's the one that fills arenas, and Lindsey will never quit, so if she didn't want to tour with him anymore, yeah, she got him fired.

[Lola]

I talked to my sister about this for an hour today. She came up with the novel idea that "Lindsey's out" was floated to gauge fan reaction before the band actually does anything. Maybe they don't have a replacement and wanted to see how much support there would be for Mike Campbell. Or maybe they wanted to know who fans would suggest as an appropriate replacement.

[secondhandchain]

Well, she's the one that fills arenas, and Lindsey will never quit, so if she didn't want to tour with him anymore, yeah, she got him fired.

She fills arenas with help from other headline acts. Does she draw more then the others? Yes. Are they just as or more talented then her? Yes. She has the looks, and the witchy persona....THAT'S the draw in my opinion. And also her songs. BTW I have been very annoyed with her (that's putting it mildly) but I still love a lot of her music and always will. Her recent personality transplant? Not so much.

[button-lip]

I talked to my sister about this for an hour today. She came up with the novel idea that "Lindsey's out" was floated to gauge fan reaction before the band actually does anything. Maybe they don't have a replacement and wanted to see how much support there would be for Mike Campbell. Or maybe they wanted to know who fans would suggest as an appropriate replacement.

Oh, I'm sure they're reading fan reactions, but a bunch of people's reactions in fb, twitter, instagram and even here isn't exactly an indication of how the average audience is gonna react to a FM concert without Lindsey. I think they're still gonna fill arenas without Lindsey. Maybe the tickets will be cheaper.

[iamnotafraid]

Moz must be kin to Dr. Frankenstein.
He/she created life in The Ledge one
last time.

Right now I still don't believe this - but if true
at all, it could be a good thing. Lindsey finally
free of his chains.

[MikeInNV]

No matter what Christine said, she was FURIOUS with BuckVie! She didn't want to do an album but she didn't want anybody to do it either.

You know this how?

[jkmaletic]

A lot of you folks are now blaming Stevie for something that probably isn't even true?? Unreal. :laugh:

[jkmaletic]

I talked to my sister about this for an hour today. She came up with the novel idea that "Lindsey's out" was floated to gauge fan reaction before the band actually does anything. Maybe they don't have a replacement and wanted to see how much support there would be for Mike Campbell. Or maybe they wanted to know who fans would suggest as an appropriate replacement.

That's too thought out for this band's management. Your sister is giving them too much credit. :laugh:

[button-lip]

You know this how?

If you're happy about your bandmates' album, you say it yourself. You don't send your friend to talk about it. Considering she loves talking about Lindsey, wasn't a bit weird that she didn't give her opinion about their album?

Like BigAl84 said, BuckVie was a nail in her side.

[MikeInNV]

If you're happy about your bandmates' album, you say it yourself. You don't send your friend to talk about it

I don't know what this is referring to.

Considering she loves talking about Lindsey, wasn't a bit weird that she didn't give her opinion about their album?

Christine said Stevie was fine with what they were doing. Before it was released, Stevie said she was sure it was going to be great. I don't know what she thought after she heard it, but whether or not she liked it is no indication she was angry they made it. She has no reason to be mad....she could have been on it if she wanted to.

[button-lip]

I don't know what this is referring to.



Christine said Stevie was fine with what they were doing. Before it was released, Stevie said she was sure it was going to be great. I don't know what she thought after she heard it, but whether or not she liked it is no indication she was angry they made it. She has no reason to be mad....she could have been on it if she wanted to.

Yeah, you answered your first part of my post with your second comment. I never heard Stevie talking about the album, only what Christine said she told her. Oh, yeah, she could have been there.... if Lindsey wasn't, because she doesn't want to work with him anymore.

Nail in her side.

[Aussie W/Heart]

Here we go!! the blame game is flaring up again , we do not know the facts!! i just find some of these comments laughable, get a life you cant blame the same person every single time when something goes pear shaped in this band.. If this is even true the sh$t really hit the fan this time, so obviously Christine, Mick and John agreed and had no problem firing LB..

Anyway IF TRUE, its sad to think LB will no longer be apart of FM.