new Dashut blog - Truth & Consequences (My Times with FM)

[HomerMcvie]

Shallow and vapid posts.

Crap. I thought I walked into the Church of Stevie... Mah bad!:lol:

[nicole21290]

From Stacy.

http://s27.postimg.org/56ol7zozn/Screen_Shot_2015_05_27_at_10_41_31_am.png

[sorcerer999]

I think some take this band too seriously.

Ladies and gentlemen, Stevie, circa the Clinton inauguration.
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/dBsound/fmFATfakeSN.jpg (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/dBsound/media/fmFATfakeSN.jpg.html)

At......Dunkin'..........Donuts.........:lol:

You make fun of Stevie constantly. It's the one thing that I can count on whenever you post ANYTHING on this forum, so that fact doesn't surprise me.

However, what DOES surprise me is the fact that, in posting this picture and then posting the Dunkin Donuts comment, you are blatantly making fun of this girl and her weight. Grow the f*ck up, David! How old are you, again?

[verve93]

From Stacy.

http://s27.postimg.org/56ol7zozn/Screen_Shot_2015_05_27_at_10_41_31_am.png

thanks for the update. I really miss his blog.

[SisterNightroad]

Attn: Fleetwood Mac/Richard Dashut Punters (Fans)

stacyb:

Please message me or like this post or reach out to me so I can follow you all.


We had such an amazing, kind, & caring community with the Truth And Consequences blog and I would love to reconnect with everyone. I want to keep our beautiful Punter community strong & up to date with what’s going on, and maybe even get Richard to occasionally answer a few Fleetwood Mac related (or any other subject) questions on camera for you guys. I would also like to keep you all informed on what’s next. ;)


Much Love,

Stacy Be




http://stacyb.tumblr.com/post/120011230548/attn-fleetwood-mac-richard-dashut-punters-fans

[Frankenstein]

All these vague "updates" about what happened to the blog are getting tiresome :sorry:

[michelej1]

All these vague "updates" about what happened to the blog are getting tiresome :sorry:

I know. It cannot be said that the fans are making a mountain out of a molehill when the way it was handled was basically a recipe for, "how to grow your molehill."

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

You make fun of Stevie constantly. It's the one thing that I can count on whenever you post ANYTHING on this forum, so that fact doesn't surprise me.

However, what DOES surprise me is the fact that, in posting this picture and then posting the Dunkin Donuts comment, you are blatantly making fun of this girl and her weight. Grow the f*ck up, David! How old are you, again?

This pic is old as hell, and has been posted in many FM forums(some that are private,though). We've laughed at it for years.

I'm sorry that you're so sensitive, in regards to Stevie. If you'll check other threads in this forum, there are LOTS of board members that seem fed up with her. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing so many negative posts about her on the Ledge(and not from me, either).

[louielouie2000]

This pic is old as hell, and has been posted in many FM forums(some that are private,though). We've laughed at it for years.

I'm sorry that you're so sensitive, in regards to Stevie. If you'll check other threads in this forum, there are LOTS of board members that seem fed up with her. In fact, I don't ever recall seeing so many negative posts about her on the Ledge(and not from me, either).

I'm one of the many people fed up with Stevie. I can hardly stand her anymore. However, body shaming just isn't cool. Especially when a picture of someone who isn't Stevie is brought into the mix.

Making fun of her voice, songwriting, performances, and behavior? 100% fair game. :cool:

[HomerMcvie]

I'm one of the many people fed up with Stevie. I can hardly stand her anymore. However, body shaming just isn't cool. Especially when a picture of someone who isn't Stevie is brought into the mix.

Making fun of her voice, songwriting, performances, and behavior? 100% fair game. :cool:

See, you're the one assuming that I'm body shaming. I was just making fun of Chiffonheads in general.

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

[FuzzyPlum]

See, you're the one assuming that I'm body shaming. I was just making fun of Chiffonheads in general.

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

...and would you have posted a picture of a slim chiffonhead in this instance? No, because for you that wouldn't have been funny. The Dunkin Donuts reference clearly alludes to the fact you partly find the picture humorous because she is large. This lady clearly loves Stevie/FM and as such there's a decent chance she'd either be a Ledgie herself or at least take a look from time to time. I feel for her if and when she reads this.

You are a middle aged man. Think about it.

[HomerMcvie]

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/dBsound/fmStevieBAD_zpsfuz3gamy.jpg (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/dBsound/media/fmStevieBAD_zpsfuz3gamy.jpg.html)
Stevie says that hurts my everything...

[shackin'up]

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/dBsound/fmStevieBAD_zpsfuz3gamy.jpg (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/dBsound/media/fmStevieBAD_zpsfuz3gamy.jpg.html)
Stevie says that hurts my everything...

That looks pretty approachable....:angel:;);)

[MikeInNV]

Making fun of her voice, songwriting, performances, and behavior? 100% fair game. :cool:

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

I'm not defending the pic, but I do wonder why we categorize certain things as okay to make fun of and not others. I wouldn't make fun of someone's weight, but I wouldn't make fun of someone's performance either. I can have my opinions on both, but I don't need to vocalize them to get a laugh or make someone feel bad.

I guess I feel the same way about the forum rules. I could post the nastiest, most vulgar insult my twisted mind could come up with about Stevie, and no one would bat an eye, but even a mild criticism of Michele or David or Johnny Stew would get me reprimanded, even banned if I kept it up. The argument is that Stevie is a celebrity and it comes with the territory and she's a big girl and can handle it, and while that is true, I am a big boy and can handle it too, but I certainly don't want to be talked about that way; no one does. I suppose I understand it on a certain level, but talking trash about people, especially to get a laugh or be hurtful, seems kind of sh**ty to me, and I don't know why it matters who you're talking about.

[HomerMcvie]

That looks pretty approachable....:angel:;);)

Dude, that could be tag teamed! :lol:

[johnnystorms]

I'm not defending the pic, but I do wonder why we categorize certain things as okay to make fun of and not others. I wouldn't make fun of someone's voice, but I wouldn't make fun of someone's performance either. I can have my opinions on both, but I don't need to vocalize them to get a laugh or make someone feel bad.

I guess I feel the same way about the forum rules. I could post the nastiest, most vulgar insult my twisted mind could come up with about Stevie, and no one would bat an eye, but even a mild criticism of Michele or David or Johnny Stew would get me reprimanded, even banned if I kept it up. The argument is that Stevie is a celebrity and it comes with the territory and she's a big girl and can handle it, and while that is true, I am a big boy and can handle it too, but I certainly don't want to be talked about that way; no one does. I suppose I understand it on a certain level, but talking trash about people, especially to get a laugh or be hurtful, seems kind of sh**ty to me, and I don't know why it matters who you're talking about.
welcome to the internet ; where obscure people can sit behind keyboards and "comment" ugly, mean-spirited rants.
Not to mention he's mocking her appearance over 25 years ago, in the midst of her addiction to Klonopin. So "he's" not only mocking her weight, but mocking an illness.
Maybe it's the only way certain people can feel better about themselves

[sorcerer999]

welcome to the internet ; where obscure people can sit behind keyboards and "comment" ugly, mean-spirited rants.
Not to mention he's mocking her appearance over 25 years ago, in the midst of her addiction to Klonopin. So "he's" not only mocking her weight, but mocking an illness.
Maybe it's the only way certain people can feel better about themselves

You hit the nail on the head right there!

Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyysss...getting back to the topic of this thread. Ken Caillat just posted this as his status on his Facebook page...

"Full Story, I just got the new LIFE Mag issue on FLEETWOOD MAC. I was amazed and shocked at how negative they made most things sound. Or maybe they decided to throw me under the bus and twist my quotes completely. To show how inaccurate they are I didn't see 1 mention about my co-producer Richard Dashut who was there with them for much longer than I was! I wish I wasn't mentioned!"

[gssmith]

See, you're the one assuming that I'm body shaming. I was just making fun of Chiffonheads in general.

So IF this woman was skinny, she would be fair game? But because she's not, she can't have fun poked at her? Is that the level of PC that we've reached? Someone skinny CAN be mocked for looking like an idiot, but someone who's heavy is IMMUNE from mockery? If so, that is TRULY a double standard.

Think about it.

You also have to keep in mind that HomerMcVie lives his 50 year old washed up life thru Lindsey Buckingham's guitar greatness with his hands in his pants. He gets off by attacking anything Stevie related. He loves her but can't admit it because with out Stevie he and this blog would be nothing but 5 people talking. Hence, he is Lindsey. Bleed to Love Her

[michelej1]

I guess I feel the same way about the forum rules. I could post the nastiest, most vulgar insult my twisted mind could come up with about Stevie, and no one would bat an eye, but even a mild criticism of Michele or David or Johnny Stew would get me reprimanded, even banned if I kept it up.

Stevie is not on this board. She need not be a "big girl". It doesn't matter if she can "take it." She isn't even here. Whether she can take the criticism or not is irrelevant. It's fine to insult people who are not here. It's not ok to attack people you're in a conversation with, because they said something you didn't like about your favorite star -- who is not in the conversation, doesn't know about it and doesn't care. I don't know why that's a difficult distinction.

The problem with Homer McVie's post is that coming on the heels of people getting upset about his goat comment, I think it was designed to bait people here and that's not ok. You can speak an opinion, but if you do it with the deliberate intent to make others upset, then that's wrong. If a collateral effect of speaking one's mind is making a protective fan upset, then that fan shouldn't be here.

Michele

[michelej1]

You also have to keep in mind that HomerMcVie lives his 50 year old washed up life thru Lindsey Buckingham's guitar greatness with his hands in his pants. He gets off by attacking anything Stevie related. He loves her but can't admit it because with out Stevie he and this blog would be nothing but 5 people talking.

I have no problem with there only being 5 people (or less) talking on the blog.

Michele

[SisterNightroad]

This thread is going very off topic...

[jbrownsjr]

You also have to keep in mind that HomerMcVie lives his 50 year old washed up life thru Lindsey Buckingham's guitar greatness with his hands in his pants. He gets off by attacking anything Stevie related. He loves her but can't admit it because with out Stevie he and this blog would be nothing but 5 people talking. Hence, he is Lindsey. Bleed to Love Her

This sounds bitter and a bit of an attack on your part. Re-read it if you don't understand what I mean. You're doing the very thing you're chastising him for doing. :shrug::shrug:

Can't we all just get along.... :eek:

[jbrownsjr]

This thread is going very off topic...

Quick!! Give us some loving gifs!!

[MikeInNV]

Stevie is not on this board. She need not be a "big girl". It doesn't matter if she can "take it." She isn't even here. Whether she can take the criticism or not is irrelevant. It's fine to insult people who are not here. It's not ok to attack people you're in a conversation with, because they said something you didn't like about your favorite star -- who is not in the conversation, doesn't know about it and doesn't care. I don't know why that's a difficult distinction.

When I made my original comment, I was thinking more along the lines of people who rationalize that celebrities "sign up for" and "deserve" things like anonymous insults and paparazzi stalkings. I never understood why someone's line of work being lucrative or making them known to a large number of people should influence how they are treated by others. So your distinction of basing things on who is and isn't here is something different, and that's why I said I understand it on a certain level, although I'm not sure how we can ever know who is here and who isn't. We've had band members here before, and it wouldn't shock me to know that others check it out anonymously.

The problem with Homer McVie's post is that coming on the heels of people getting upset about his goat comment, I think it was designed to bait people here and that's not ok. You can speak an opinion, but if you do it with the deliberate intent to make others upset, then that's wrong. If a collateral effect of speaking one's mind is making a protective fan upset, then that fan shouldn't be here.

Makes sense, but I can usually distinguish between a criticism, which doesn't bother me, and an insult, which almost always feels like baiting.

[SisterNightroad]

Quick!! Give us some loving gifs!!
http://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xspXQZfdn6mqVW/giphy.gif

[jbrownsjr]

http://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xspXQZfdn6mqVW/giphy.gif

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Quick!! Give us some loving gifs!!

Here ya go, Johnny Boy.:angel:
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n300/dBsound/lolFMStevieCrazyEyes_zpspj7fqemg.gif (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/dBsound/media/lolFMStevieCrazyEyes_zpspj7fqemg.gif.html)

[jbrownsjr]

Lord... that's a good one, too...

all right.. I want everyone to shape up and make up...
you too, Homer... common sense in disagreements...
no baiting (even tho it can be funny at times)
and last but not least... common courtesy...

I'm doing a Christine bow... and signing off for a while.. you will all behave... :thumbsup:

[lovethemac1]

Here's what Ken said about the LIFE magazine article on his Facebook page:

Full Story, I just got the new LIFE Mag issue on FLEETWOOD MAC. I was amazed and shocked at how negative they made most things sound. Or maybe they decided to throw me under the bus and twist my quotes completely. To show how inaccurate they are I didn't see 1 mention about my co-producer Richard Dashut who was there with them for much longer than I was! I wish I wasn't mentioned!

[elle]

This sounds bitter and a bit of an attack on your part. Re-read it if you don't understand what I mean. You're doing the very thing you're chastising him for doing. :shrug::shrug:

Can't we all just get along.... :eek:

yeah it's really interesting to see how blind people are to their own actions, while having problems with others doing the exact same thing they are doing too.

[bombaysaffires]

Here's what Ken said about the LIFE magazine article on his Facebook page:

Full Story, I just got the new LIFE Mag issue on FLEETWOOD MAC. I was amazed and shocked at how negative they made most things sound. Or maybe they decided to throw me under the bus and twist my quotes completely. To show how inaccurate they are I didn't see 1 mention about my co-producer Richard Dashut who was there with them for much longer than I was! I wish I wasn't mentioned!

well, given that many of the quotes came straight out of his book, how shocked can he be?

[michelej1]

When I made my original comment, I was thinking more along the lines of people who rationalize that celebrities "sign up for" and "deserve" things like anonymous insults and paparazzi stalkings. I never understood why someone's line of work being lucrative or making them known to a large number of people should influence how they are treated by others. So your distinction of basing things on who is and isn't here is something different, and that's why I said I understand it on a certain level, although I'm not sure how we can ever know who is here and who isn't. We've had band members here before, and it wouldn't shock me to know that others check it out anonymously.


I'm not really concerned with insulting silent guests and visitors. I'm talking about people with whom you're engaging. If I like muskrats (and I don't) and you say something horrible about muskrat lovers, you really haven't insulted me -- unless you know I like muskrats. I'm concerned with insulting someone you're in a conversation with. For instance, "The only reason you're saying that about Mick is that you're a friendless masturbator." I don't think you have to worry about what the other poster is or isn't in order to debate them. And I think resorting to personal attacks because someone insulted a celebrity (who as much as we may identify with them really are NOT us) is juvenile.

As far as the celebrities being on the board goes, they really shouldn't be. I mean, it would be great if they'd come and participate, but if we're discussing a newspaper article that has something negative to say about them, then I don't see any reason to stop discussing it because they're here. They should go hang out somewhere where celebrities get together and trash fanatics. Michele

[jbrownsjr]

They should go hang out somewhere where celebrities get together and trash fanatics. Michele

Can you imagine?
Christine: jbrownsjr was really on it today! yeeeahhhhh
Stevie: He's not as mad at me anymore it seems. I caught him loving the 1982/1983 gifs. Such a pretend hater.
Christine: There's no stopping him.
Lindsey: Well ya know, jbrownsjr has been really good to me since I started kissing your ass and songwriting skills, Christine.
Christine: I know, Shhhtevie, isn't it funny how we pretended to record new music.
Stevie: I know, I wish you'd quit saying that you guys wrote new music. Everyone keeps asking me if I going to record on your "new songs". ahahahahah
Lindsey: Well ya know, we gotta look like we're organic.
Christine God, would you shut the hell up already. Nothing is bloody organic about us, anymore.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm very thankful for level headed people that run this board, and also for level headed friends who "get" my sense of humor.


John, we're only having one FM pool party weekend this year(due to conflicting schedules), but it's Aug 15/16. Fly on in. Drag that dOberman with you! :lol: And a pot of Chili!

[iamnotafraid]

...This lady clearly loves Stevie/FM and as such there's a decent chance she'd either be a Ledgie herself or at least take a look from time to time. I feel for her if and when she reads this.

That's the part I'd be the most worried about.

[MoonSister75]

I suppose I understand it on a certain level, but talking trash about people, especially to get a laugh or be hurtful, seems kind of sh**ty to me, and I don't know why it matters who you're talking about.

I didn't really want to get involved with this discussion....but I do agree very strongly with the sentiments above.

[michelej1]

Can you imagine?
Christine: jbrownsjr was really on it today! yeeeahhhhh
Stevie: He's not as mad at me anymore it seems. I caught him loving the 1982/1983 gifs. Such a pretend hater.
Christine: There's no stopping him.


That's hilarious. I bet that when they see people in the audience, they do mention him/her to each other, even if they may not know our names. They probably say, "that guy in the red hat" or something.

Michele

[goldustsongbird]

Can you imagine?
Christine: jbrownsjr was really on it today! yeeeahhhhh
Stevie: He's not as mad at me anymore it seems. I caught him loving the 1982/1983 gifs. Such a pretend hater.
Christine: There's no stopping him.
Lindsey: Well ya know, jbrownsjr has been really good to me since I started kissing your ass and songwriting skills, Christine.
Christine: I know, Shhhtevie, isn't it funny how we pretended to record new music.
Stevie: I know, I wish you'd quit saying that you guys wrote new music. Everyone keeps asking me if I going to record on your "new songs". ahahahahah
Lindsey: Well ya know, we gotta look like we're organic.
Christine God, would you shut the hell up already. Nothing is bloody organic about us, anymore.

:lol::lol::lol:

[nicole21290]

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[bombaysaffires]

whhhaaaaaaa? :woohoo:

does this indicate that all the video stuff he was planning to do previously will be finally coming to life?

[LB Freakazoid]

LA dodgers cap? Does this mean he's in LA? Or maybe working on something for peeps in LA?
All those hashtags are intersting too....
Maybe he was asked to take down the tumblr account, in turn, to work on a few songs?
Very interesting, indeed!

[Montclare]

whhhaaaaaaa? :woohoo:

does this indicate that all the video stuff he was planning to do previously will be finally coming to life?

Ideally, it means Ken was wrong and Richard's helping out on the new album. But I'll take the blog being back as well. :blob2:

[PenguinHead]

LA dodgers cap? Does this mean he's in LA? Or maybe working on something for peeps in LA?
All those hashtags are intersting too....
Maybe he was asked to take down the tumblr account, in turn, to work on a few songs?
Very interesting, indeed!

I don't think anyone knows the reason why he stopped his tumblr account. I don't think Fleetwood Mac or any of their associates gave a f*ck about his blog. Richard was sensitive and respectful, especially when inconsiderate idiots asked lame, low ball personal questions about various members, which mostly focused on sex, drugs, and ridiculous assumptions. He expressed his opinions, but never pandered to that level of discourse. He had no agenda other than connecting with fans, and sharing his experiences.

It would be amazing if he's working again; perhaps he has reunited with some members of the band. It seems he's not been in the best of health.

[SisterNightroad]

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[pauls90]

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WELLLLLLLLLLLLL. THAT surely is something.

Clearly we all know what we *want* this to be about....but are there any other ideas of what it all could mean before we all go getting our hopes up??

[louielouie2000]

LA dodgers cap? Does this mean he's in LA? Or maybe working on something for peeps in LA?
All those hashtags are intersting too....
Maybe he was asked to take down the tumblr account, in turn, to work on a few songs?
Very interesting, indeed!

I noticed he hashtagged Las Vegas, and that appears to be his home studio... so maybe he's just doing some Los Angeles work from home. :D

[LB Freakazoid]

I noticed he hashtagged Las Vegas, and that appears to be his home studio... so maybe he's just doing some Los Angeles work from home. :D

That's what I was thinking too.....

[FuzzyPlum]

Nothing new- I just wanted to remind people that Richard's pictures are still available through Instagram;

https://instagram.com/richarddashut/

I just had a scroll through and came across so many great pics I hadn't seen or just didn't take in the first time he posted them. It's easy to overlook what a great treasure trove this is- so many pictures taken in an age before smart phones.

[Wdm6789]

Where is the picture of Mick and Christine at Studio 54? It was on Richard's tumblr but not his Instagram. Does anyone know where I could find this picture?

[Feather Blade]

WELLLLLLLLLLLLL. THAT surely is something.

Clearly we all know what we *want* this to be about....but are there any other ideas of what it all could mean before we all go getting our hopes up??

Anyone heard anything new about what's going on with this? Yes, we all know what we want it to be, but perhaps it might just be referencing getting that blog back up on its feet? I too hope that it could have something to do with production duties for a certain band. Fingers still crossed.

[WildHearted]

Anyone heard anything new about what's going on with this? Yes, we all know what we want it to be, but perhaps it might just be referencing getting that blog back up on its feet? I too hope that it could have something to do with production duties for a certain band. Fingers still crossed.

He wouldn't need a home studio set-up to start the blog back up. It has to be something related to music in some capacity. Who knows what.

[gldstwmn]

Holiday Road has been all over TV the last few weeks. Richard has been so instrumental in the collective unconscious of so many songs that are part of people's lives. I hope he realizes that. Lately every time I hear a Mac classic, I've thought of him. I also wonder if the reason FM hasn't had a huge hit in this century is because they strayed from the Ken/Richard formula. I almost think FM was apart so long they forgot.

[crystalline_]

Is this the right thread for this? The new Tumblr blog is up. I'm not sure what the URL is. Stacy (is that her name) has been posting "clues" to find it on Twitter. I don't have time to do all that, sadly, so I haven't seen the new blog. Good luck to anyone who can find it.

[HelloMonster]

Found the blog, it's pretty simple if you follow her clues. Good luck! :thumbsup:

[FuzzyPlum]

I take it there's a new Richard Dashut blog.
I've spent the last 20 minutes trying to find it but can't...I'm going to bed.
For some reason I don't feel that excited to be honest.

[nicole21290]

Hopefully, this isn't a Bad Thing, me just posting the link. It has been a few days now so...

http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/

The most important post at the moment?

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[Montclare]

Hopefully, this isn't a Bad Thing, me just posting the link. It has been a few days now so...

http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/

The most important post at the moment?

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You're awesome Nicole! I was trying to figure out the clues and could only come up with penguin's foot. I don't know why they're being so secretive, but I'm glad Richard's back.

[nicole21290]

I did see Stacy talking to someone on Twitter about the new blog. It seems asking on Anon is no longer an option; it was abused somewhat, I guess. You'll now need a Tumblr account to ask questions.

[SisterNightroad]

Well, ****. It's a pity that because of some idiotic abusive anons Richard won't be able to receive anonymous questions anymore, I wanted to ask/tell him so many things. Now I'd be compelled to make a tumblr account and I suck with computers.

[FuzzyPlum]

Well, ****. It's a pity that because of some idiotic abusive anons Richard won't be able to receive anonymous questions anymore, I wanted to ask/tell him so many things. Now I'd be compelled to make a tumblr account and I suck with computers.

It's not difficult to create a Tumblr account. I'm a complete technophobe but even I set one up when his first blog started. I never actually used Tumblr- I just used it for asking questions. Unfortunately I can't for the life of me remember my password now though.

[SisterNightroad]

It's not difficult to create a Tumblr account. I'm a complete technophobe but even I set one up when his first blog started. I never actually used Tumblr- I just used it for asking questions. Unfortunately I can't for the life of me remember my password now though.
I know it's surely less difficult than I think but still I'm the person that once managed to forget how to print.
And I currently forgot where I wrote two of my passwords for my hobby-related sites.

[nicole21290]

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[PenguinHead]

I'm so glad that Richard is back. He appears to be a very nice, thoughtful, sensitive guy. He has given fans an intimate glimpse into the private moments with Fleetwood Mac though his pictures and reminisces.

It seems he has somewhat reconnected with the band. He moved back to California and has expressed excitement for the future. Aside from his social media activity, could there be more to it?

Is it possibly that he may, somehow, be involved with Fleetwood Mac's pending album? Such an timely reunion, since this will be their last album, and Richard was such a pivotal contributor to the era of the band when they were at their commercial/creative peak. His presence would be a poignant, full circle closure to the most lauded configuration of the band.

[bombaysaffires]

I'm so glad that Richard is back. He appears to be a very nice, thoughtful sensitive guy. He has given fans an intimate glimpse into the private moments with Fleetwood Mac though his pictures and reminisces.

It seems he has somewhat reconnected with the band. He moved back to California and has expressed excitement for the future. Aside from his social media activity, could there be more to it?

Is it possibly that he may, somehow, be involved with Fleetwood Mac's pending album? Such an timely reunion, since this will be their last album, and Richard was such a pivotal contributor to the era of the band when they were at their peak. His presence would be a poignant, full circle closure to the most lauded configuration of the band.

Did he?? What are we basing this on-- a Dodgers cap, or was there something more?

[bombaysaffires]

chucky-j asked:
Hi mate, hope you are well (as can be). Did you ever get to the Vegas show in the end?

I did and will be talking about it in the near future. Mixed feelings, very emotional on a personal level and still trying to organize my thoughts. Thanks for your well wishes………uncleR

I found this interesting. He says it was very emotional on a personal level.... but that he had mixed feelings. About what? Mixed sounds like some good things and some bad things... maybe he had some thoughts about how they sound, or the set or something professionally speaking, besides the personal emotions. Inquiring minds would love to know... but he's always diplomatic. I look forward to whatever he decides to say about it.

[nicole21290]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My vintage crush
<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RIPLindseysFro?src=hash">#RIPLindseysFro</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/comingsoon?src=hash">#comingsoon</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/rarefootage?src=hash">#rarefootage</a> <a href="http://t.co/efzWhuDpOF">pic.twitter.com/efzWhuDpOF</a></p>&mdash; lil bee (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/652364066053206016">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🐧 Cute lil sneak peak 😘 <a href="http://t.co/PjIkVqHZS0">pic.twitter.com/PjIkVqHZS0</a></p>&mdash; lil bee (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/652367102062432256">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We found some rare, never-before seen footage from the recording of Tusk in storage &amp; I just finished editing it 😘 <a href="http://t.co/EuQagG9vvB">pic.twitter.com/EuQagG9vvB</a></p>&mdash; lil bee (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/652374565079814144">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[reebokandlace]

I got tired of Richards vague answers and cry for attention months ago. I find it amusing that people are still buying into this and eating it up.

I recommend if you get the chance to speak to fleetwood or linds at one of the shows ask them about Richard. You may be surprised by their response.

The reason Stacy publically attacked me on her twitter page was because I stated here on the ledge that i was tired of the game I was seeing.

Enough said.


I am not surprised this thread keeps popping up like a bad turd.

:cool:

[FuzzyPlum]

I got tired of Richards vague answers and cry for attention months ago. I find it amusing that people are still buying into this and eating it up.

I recommend if you get the chance to speak to fleetwood or linds at one of the shows ask them about Richard. You may be surprised by their response.

The reason Stacy publically attacked me on her twitter page was because I stated here on the ledge that i was tired of the game I was seeing.

Enough said.


I am not surprised this thread keeps popping up like a bad turd.

:cool:

Were you one of the 'Anons' per chance?

[sorcerer999]

This just in from Uncle R...

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[Wdm6789]

This just in from Uncle R...

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We should ask him if he has the uncut Mirage tour video and/or the US Festival video.

[nicole21290]

<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/144693758" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/144693758">The Penguin's Tale - Tusk - Episode I</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user44676722">Penguins Tale</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

[Wdm6789]

<iframe src="https://player.vimeo.com/video/144693758" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe>
<p><a href="https://vimeo.com/144693758">The Penguin's Tale - Tusk - Episode I</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/user44676722">Penguins Tale</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>


The video stops and starts over with ten seconds left. Does that happen to anyone else when they watch it?

[jbrownsjr]

No, mine plays all the way through.

[bombaysaffires]

I got tired of Richards vague answers and cry for attention months ago. I find it amusing that people are still buying into this and eating it up.

I recommend if you get the chance to speak to fleetwood or linds at one of the shows ask them about Richard. You may be surprised by their response.

The reason Stacy publically attacked me on her twitter page was because I stated here on the ledge that i was tired of the game I was seeing.

Enough said.


I am not surprised this thread keeps popping up like a bad turd.

:cool:


can you elaborate at least a little more on this? Have you asked either/both of them about Richard? Your comment implies they are either not pleased with him/his blog, or they find him a bit sad living through their past. :shrug:

[sorcerer999]

It's been over two months since Richard has posted with any regularity, and then only one post mid December.

Do you think this second Tumblr blog might be dead in the water? Or do you think we're about to be hit with a barrage of more great pictures, videos, etc?

[FuzzyPlum]

It's been over two months since Richard has posted with any regularity, and then only one post mid December.

Do you think this second Tumblr blog might be dead in the water? Or do you think we're about to be hit with a barrage of more great pictures, videos, etc?

Sadly I'd say its through now.
'Courage doesn’t always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, I will try again tomorrow'
I think that quote alludes to him having some mental health issues that make it difficult for him to do anything.

[bombaysaffires]

Sadly I'd say its through now.
'Courage doesn’t always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, I will try again tomorrow'
I think that quote alludes to him having some mental health issues that make it difficult for him to do anything.

Or health issues. He appeared to have a number of issues that left him in quite a lot of pain.

[Emilybees]

Or health issues. He appeared to have a number of issues that left him in quite a lot of pain.
I am just hoping that he's ok. I loved the first blog, and it seemed like the tumblr was off to a good start, so hoping that he is able to continue. I just appreciated his attempt to put a little positive energy out there. Call it what you like, but that counted for something in my book.

[KarmaContestant]

Or health issues. He appeared to have a number of issues that left him in quite a lot of pain.

A lot of folks who suffer from depression talk about physical pain, but I wonder how much of it is psychosomatic.

[bombaysaffires]

A lot of folks who suffer from depression talk about physical pain, but I wonder how much of it is psychosomatic.

true. but he was in a pretty nasty car crash that did a lot of damage to his back. that kind of chronic pain can most definitely lead to depression and then you're in a real cycle.

I hope if he stopped doing it it was by his choice and not because of any bad feedback or whatever from the band.

[lilyfee]

I hope if he stopped doing it it was by his choice and not because of any bad feedback or whatever from the band.

I'm confused about what the band would have objected to. Everything he posted seemed respectful to the band, even when people asked about drug use or sexual relationships and he probably could have told a lot of stories, and he was hardly profiting off them since this was just a Tumblr blog. The videos are cute, but so short. They barely show anything aside from some silly faces.:shrug:

[Frankenstein]

I still want to know why Richard had "mixed feelings" about the Vegas show thing, which I suspect is probably what led to the blog going down.

[bombaysaffires]

I'm confused about what the band would have objected to. Everything he posted seemed respectful to the band, even when people asked about drug use or sexual relationships and he probably could have told a lot of stories, and he was hardly profiting off them since this was just a Tumblr blog. The videos are cute, but so short. They barely show anything aside from some silly faces.:shrug:

He was telling a lot of the previously unknown FM history. He was sharing a lot of new photos. He was talking about how songs came together, what went on in the studio etc.

This is all valuable to anyone in the band who might want to write a book or whatever, and if Richard puts it out there first, a)it's not really new anymore so it takes some "selling" factor out of the band/bandmember's book and b) the story is out first from Richard's point of view with his take on things and certain band members who might want to write books want to be able to tell the stories the way THEY want them told.

Lindsey pretty much shut down anyone cooperating with Ken when he did his book and used the line that he might want to write his own book "someday". Christine for one pulled out of talking to Ken because of it. Stevie is pretty controlling of her image and what she wants told. A few times people in her circle have blurted things out and had to walk them back after she wasn't happy about it.

It is about control. So I can see (don't know if it happened but wouldn't be surprised if it did) word getting back to him that they were not amused. If the word went out there's no doubt other people from the Mac circle would demur from talking to him (remember he was going to make videos and such?)

I'm just saying this kind of thing happening with this group would not be out of character or be surprising.

On the other hand he had so many health issues and it seemed like days where he just was in so much physical pain it was more than he could manage. Someone here had posted some stuff from stacy's social media about her moving away or something and if that's true she really was his righthand man and tech savvy collaborator so that would be a problem too.

Who knows. As always with the Mac, mystery and intrigue.

[FuzzyPlum]

I still want to know why Richard had "mixed feelings" about the Vegas show thing, which I suspect is probably what led to the blog going down.

I'm not so sure it would have been the cause of his first blog shutting down.
I think it could have been mixed feelings in the 'bitter-sweet' sense. On the one hand it would have been great for him to see his old buddies playing. At the same time I can imagine him feeling a sense of sadness- memories of yesteryear when he and they were in their heyday. Anyway, he did say he was going to be talking about it at some point...oh well.

[FuzzyPlum]

I'm confused about what the band would have objected to. Everything he posted seemed respectful to the band, even when people asked about drug use or sexual relationships and he probably could have told a lot of stories, and he was hardly profiting off them since this was just a Tumblr blog. The videos are cute, but so short. They barely show anything aside from some silly faces.:shrug:

Stacy categorically said in no uncertain terms that the band wasn't the reason why the first blog stopped. If that's the case then I have no reason to believe they would be the reason for him not posting on the new one. Anyway, Richard was in regular contact with Mick who would have had plenty of opportunity to convey any ill-feeling/disagreement the others may have had towards what he was doing.
No, I really do not think it has anything to do with the band.

[bombaysaffires]

do you think he just lost interest?

[jbrownsjr]

do you think he just lost interest?

It might just be that simple.

[Danigirl]

What is the name of the new tumblr/blog?

[SteveMacD]

do you think he just lost interest?
Probably got tired of dealing with pissy fans creating drama.

[jbrownsjr]

Probably got tired of dealing with pissy fans creating drama.

I remember if he talked Carol too much or didn't talk about Stevie enough, the crazies would come out. He tried to handle them with as much class as I've ever seen. He's a better man than I! lol;)

[FuzzyPlum]

Well, out of the blue he recently posted something on 20th January. Quite a cooincidence considering the short discussion on here at around that time. Perhaps just a subtle message to us all to say he's alright.
If you are reading Richard- I hope you are well.
Perhaps you'd consider joining The Ledge ;)

[FuzzyPlum]

Well, out of the blue he recently posted something on 20th January. Quite a cooincidence considering the short discussion on here at around that time. Perhaps just a subtle message to us all to say he's alright.
If you are reading Richard- I hope you are well.
Perhaps you'd consider joining The Ledge ;)

On reflection the most recent message was by Stacy. Hi Stacy!

[SisterNightroad]

We’re Back (yawn)

No, seriously, we are really back. This time, with a web site that’s much more robust and stimulating (just plain more fun.) Truth is, Stacy and myself have been gathering more content and ideas to make this more permanent and vital, so it may continue long after the band stops touring. It’s becoming more and more important, as every day passes, that a place exists for the FM community to relate and communicate the band’s legacy in the most accurate and sensitive way possible under today’s internet environment. The new web address is slated to start around April 1 (yes, I know, April Fools Day, how appropriate.) At that point, we will announce the new web site and what the hell is going on up side our silly heads with the future. As always, we will be here on tumblr, which we truly love. It’s just we need to expand and find a way to get this site to pay for itself (and perhaps, if lucky, some left over for charity.) The last tumblr blog was such an overwhelming success that, we were quickly swamped and out too much money to continue the way we wanted, and do it with integrity. After many punter requests to buy both Fleetwood Mac related and blog related items (including limited, original, hand signed photographs, t-shirts, hats, etc.) we have decided to open a store. Don’t worry, most everything is still free and available on our website. It’s just that for those who do chose to purchase, you now have that option and we can put that money back to work on our website. We are also looking for some talented, dedicated people out there in this big wide world to help contribute to our site. Please get in touch if you would like to join our team and let us know how you would like to contribute and what special talents you posses. We are very open at this point, so please do get involved. Well that’s about it for the moment, stay aware for future updates and thanks for your patience and support……..dashut & stacyb

http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/post/139995294001/were-back-yawn

[jbrownsjr]

I saw this. We'll see what happens. Glad he's ok.

[Wdm6789]

I'm still convinced there are the two Mirage tour videos out there somewhere. The two videos being the uncut HBO filmed LA show and the US Festival video.

[Macfan4life]

I'm still convinced there are the two Mirage tour videos out there somewhere. The two videos being the uncut HBO filmed LA show and the US Festival video.
That would be the greatest discovery ever.

[jbrownsjr]

I'm still convinced there are the two Mirage tour videos out there somewhere. The two videos being the uncut HBO filmed LA show and the US Festival video.

I would love to see the out takes and B roll of both, as well!

[Wdm6789]

That would be the greatest discovery ever.


Is anyone on here really rich and/or have any connections? I'm sure if someone had the resources, they could track down those videos.

[lbfan]

I'm still convinced there are the two Mirage tour videos out there somewhere. The two videos being the uncut HBO filmed LA show and the US Festival video.

I suggested to Richard on his old blog that he approach Mick about a role in editing old video concert footage, specifically the Mirage and Tusk documentary (the Tusk has some awful overdubs of crowd cheering on the concert footage that is hideous). I assume that Warner Bros. owns the rights to these videos, and would have to be involved in any re-release. "Uncut" versions of additional concert footage would be great (I, like many others, think they missed the boat on the recent Tusk super-deluxe release by not including that documentary). Even with Richard's back issues, his production skills could be put to excellent use in cleaning up these videos. I keep hoping that Warners will wake up and see the iconic status that FM is gaining in the musical world (no longer "soft rock" - just great music). Not everything has to sell a million copies (some things never change in the business world), rather a steady stream of "pebbles in the pond" that continues to gain momentum with waves of cash rolling in as the tipping point is reached.

The US festival likely has a different set of legal obstacles, the organizer's rights versus the band's rights (an agreement would likely have to be executed as to how to split the profits). While you would think FM would agree to less than ideal percentage for "another pebble in the pond," attorneys and managers on both sides are likely trying to maximize their clients (and their own $) through negotiations. Meanwhile, the faithful fans wait.

[Wdm6789]

It would be nice if we could at least get the Mirage tour video of The Chain back on YouTube in the US. That was the best video of The Chain and it's not available in America anymore for whatever reason, which is completely ridiculous.

[jbrownsjr]

It would be nice if we could at least get the Mirage tour video of The Chain back on YouTube in the US. That was the best video of The Chain and it's not available in America anymore for whatever reason, which is completely ridiculous.

That is the best Chain that I've seen and heard live. I love it.

[Wdm6789]

That is the best Chain that I've seen and heard live. I love it.


It needs to be back on YouTube.

[Macfan4life]

Someone owns that US Festival footage. Will he or she just sell it, make a profit and us Mac fans will buy it and finally get to enjoy it.

[SisterNightroad]

Someone owns that US Festival footage. Will he or she just sell it, make a profit and us Mac fans will buy it and finally get to enjoy it.
Yes, Steve Wozniac has it, and he's trying to release it since 2012 but is impeded by copyright issues.

[PenguinHead]

That is the best Chain that I've seen and heard live. I love it.

I agree. It's one of their best Chains! They are so aggressive, sort of yelling at each other. And Stevie's ad-lib wail just clarifies it. It seems like they are channeling Jefferson Airplane with their intense delivery, singing over each other. The is no other Chain quite like that one!

[jbrownsjr]

I agree. It's one of their best Chains! They are so aggressive, sort of yelling at each other. And Stevie's ad-lib wail just clarifies it. It seems like they are channeling Jefferson Airplane with their intense delivery, singing over each other. The is no other Chain quite like that one!

Stevie's howling gave me goose bumps. Lindsey's playing is superb and extended. Christine's wall of sound organ parts give the whole thing a strong back bone, and John and Mick push it through with a vengeance..

[Wdm6789]

And the video has a fairly balanced amount of screen time for each band member.

[jbrownsjr]

Richard has posted some amazing photos. I have seen a bunch of them, but some them I haven't.

[Wdm6789]

Richard has posted some amazing photos. I have seen a bunch of them, but some them I haven't.

Where? On the tumblr?

[jbrownsjr]

Where? On the tumblr?

yes, indeed...

[elle]

just noticed that Richard Dashut will do a Q&A here on The Ledge.

there's a small announcement at the top of the forum.

[Wdm6789]

just noticed that Richard Dashut will do a Q&A here on The Ledge.

there's a small announcement at the top of the forum.


Where is the forum where we post our questions?

[elle]

Where is the forum where we post our questions?

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=1179381#post1179381

[FuzzyPlum]

a couple of years ago I'd have been genuinely excited about this. Since he's had his blogs though I've pretty much asked him everything I can think of. I really can't think of anything to ask him that I know he'd be able to answer that I haven't already asked or that I've seen somebody else ask.
Will have to start doing some thinking.

[nicole21290]

Okay. Now THIS is cool.

<div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/UIJZcGpozXu9F64JM7-jLA/141055626781" data-did="410fc078409644f9eeca038603c0fb38610d72cd"><a href="http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/post/141055626781/through-my-years-with-fleetwood-mac-it-was-a">http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/post/141055626781/through-my-years-with-fleetwood-mac-it-was-a</a></div><script async src="https://secure.assets.tumblr.com/post.js"></script>

[bombaysaffires]

Okay. Now THIS is cool.

<div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/UIJZcGpozXu9F64JM7-jLA/141055626781" data-did="410fc078409644f9eeca038603c0fb38610d72cd"><a href="http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/post/141055626781/through-my-years-with-fleetwood-mac-it-was-a">http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/post/141055626781/through-my-years-with-fleetwood-mac-it-was-a</a></div><script async src="https://secure.assets.tumblr.com/post.js"></script>

wow.

just... wow.

at first i thought the tape was at the wrong speed coz Stevie sounds like she inhaled a bunch of helium, but then everyone else sounds right. Then I figured out she's talking kinda baby-talk to Lindsey, and in the very very beginning he talks a kind of baby-talk back to her. So you wonder when this was done...

Nowadays Stevie would talk baby-talk to Karen and have her communicate it to Lindsey or his assistant...:laugh:

[michelej1]

They sound like magic. And taking the Chain chorus out of Stevie's song didn't necessarily have to gut it. "There you go down the road, but don't look to me to say goodbye" is a nice chorus itself.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

He said they have found cassette tapes that they left on for ideas. Can't wait to hear...

[WildHearted]

wow.

just... wow.

at first i thought the tape was at the wrong speed coz Stevie sounds like she inhaled a bunch of helium, but then everyone else sounds right. Then I figured out she's talking kinda baby-talk to Lindsey, and in the very very beginning he talks a kind of baby-talk back to her. So you wonder when this was done...

Nowadays Stevie would talk baby-talk to Karen and have her communicate it to Lindsey or his assistant...:laugh:

I think it is off. The song is a half-step higher than Stevie's demo of it, which of course, they could done themselves when working on it... but given the weirdness of their voices, it makes more sense to me that the speed of the tape playback is in fact slightly off.

[FuzzyPlum]

They sound like magic. And taking the Chain chorus out of Stevie's song didn't necessarily have to gut it. "There you go down the road, but don't look to me to say goodbye" is a nice chorus itself.

Michele


Wow, that song could have gone in so many different directions ... and it still would have been brilliant whichever way it ended up.

[bombaysaffires]

I think it is off. The song is a half-step higher than Stevie's demo of it, which of course, they could done themselves when working on it... but given the weirdness of their voices, it makes more sense to me that the speed of the tape playback is in fact slightly off.

yeah, very well could be.

and yet the tone of the back and forth between Stevie and Lindsey is still kinda baby talk-ish and cutesy in a way that it will never be again.

[WayOfTheDragon]

I think it is off. The song is a half-step higher than Stevie's demo of it, which of course, they could done themselves when working on it... but given the weirdness of their voices, it makes more sense to me that the speed of the tape playback is in fact slightly off.

I think so, too. It can happen with old homemade tapes. When I used to do tape trading, many of the audience concert recordings from the 70s (Rumours tour) on tape sounded a bit too fast and high-pitched. Once in a while, I would get one that sounded too slow. I assumed it had to do with speed issues on the old tape recorders that originally recorded the shows, or tapes being copied (and other copies made from those copies) many times at slightly wrong speeds.

[jbrownsjr]

yeah, very well could be.

and yet the tone of the back and forth between Stevie and Lindsey is still kinda baby talk-ish and cutesy in a way that it will never be again.

Haha.. that's for sure.. ;)

[nicole21290]

Haha.. that's for sure.. ;)

We were getting this kind of thing in 2013.
https://soundcloud.com/buckinghamnicksinfo/lovefest-voice

I can deal.

[nicole21290]

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[jbrownsjr]

We were getting this kind of thing in 2013.
https://soundcloud.com/buckinghamnicksinfo/lovefest-voice

I can deal.

Doesn't sound exactly the same. I do like when the goof around with each other. It's usually quite funny. "Thank you Lindsey, Thank you Stevie"

That one always cracked me up.. a hint of sarcasm.. but if you follow the band like we do.. you get it...

[bombaysaffires]

We were getting this kind of thing in 2013.
https://soundcloud.com/buckinghamnicksinfo/lovefest-voice

I can deal.

I love your optimism Nicole. (and I mean that, sincerely).:angel:

I am far too old and cynical to think any of that is other than putting on a show for the fans. :sorry:

[jbrownsjr]

I love your optimism Nicole. (and I mean that, sincerely).:angel:

I am far too old and cynical to think any of that is other than putting on a show for the fans. :sorry:

Listen, I will always have a connection with my first love. We still talk a little and care very deeply with each other. But we both have moved on and have different lives. I love my new boyfriend and would never even think of going backwards.

Now, if I knew people bought into me and my ex drama; you bet your life I would be kissing him and acting for the camera eye. Stevie is a smart woman. She knows by having Lindsey on her album it opens up a whole new door for marketing. Buckingham Nicks is a good product. The first album was fantastic, and they propelled FM as much as FM propelled them. Stevie especially. But, if you ever get the chance to ask any insider how they really feel about each other, you'll get an honest answer.

[jbrownsjr]

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I am loving some of his archives. Some great treasures have been coming.. Thanks Richard!

[bombaysaffires]

is that a polaroid of Stevie that LB is kinda rubbing/scratching over at the beginning? Or of Carol? I've looked several times and it does seem to be Stevie....

[vivfox]

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I am happy to get this in ANY quality. I wonder what Lindsey was doing scratching the heck outta that pic of Stevie?

[jbrownsjr]

is that a polaroid of Stevie that LB is kinda rubbing/scratching over at the beginning? Or of Carol? I've looked several times and it does seem to be Stevie....

Looks like Stevie to me...

[nicole21290]

Looks like Stevie to me...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/yourangelunder">@yourangelunder</a> it sure was ☺<br>Using a technique in which he smudges the photo right before its fully exposed, making it look like a painting</p>&mdash; Stacy Be (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/709916300542226433">March 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[SisterNightroad]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/yourangelunder">@yourangelunder</a> it sure was ☺<br>Using a technique in which he smudges the photo right before its fully exposed, making it look like a painting</p>&mdash; Stacy Be (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/709916300542226433">March 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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It actually is a very cute thing...

[jbrownsjr]

^^^ it's very cute. The look on his face.

[Wdm6789]

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Okay everyone watch the video and listen closely at 23 seconds - 27 seconds. Can we please get that outtake of Sara?

Also, could someone please direct me to the Richard Dashut Q&A thread? I don't know how to get there.

[michelej1]

Okay everyone watch the video and listen closely at 23 seconds - 27 seconds. Can we please get that outtake of Sara?

Also, could someone please direct me to the Richard Dashut Q&A thread? I don't know how to get there.

The thread is here:

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=55915

[bombaysaffires]

Okay everyone watch the video and listen closely at 23 seconds - 27 seconds. Can we please get that outtake of Sara?

Also, could someone please direct me to the Richard Dashut Q&A thread? I don't know how to get there.

compare that snippet you mention to the version of 24k gold (the song) on the 24k Gold Songs From The Vault album....right about 3:28 until 3:33 :eek:

[Wdm6789]

compare that snippet you mention to the version of 24k gold (the song) on the 24k Gold Songs From The Vault album....right about 3:28 until 3:33 :eek:

I just really want to hear that version of Sara now.

[FuzzyPlum]

No posts from RD for a week and a half.
Does anyone know whether he's gone off the boil again or whether he's just working hard on his new website? Anyone here involved with it?
cheers.

[HomerMcvie]

No posts from RD for a week and a half.
Does anyone know whether he's gone off the boil again or whether he's just working hard on his new website? Anyone here involved with it?
cheers.

No idea. Someone on Ken's page asked for Mirage era photos from France(recording studio) today. I tagged Stacy, asking if she could help, but the post is gone now.

[SisterNightroad]

Probably it's a coincidence but I remember Richard wasn't amused with the fact that they didn't call him for the Tusk Deluxe reissue, I bet they didn't call him for Mirage either but they did contact Ken...

[WayOfTheDragon]

Either he or Stacy posted these vague messages on his FB the other day: "Why did this just pop up on my feed though. I mean, its still accurate but... Every single time..." I have no idea what they were talking about. :shrug:

[elle]

Probably it's a coincidence but I remember Richard wasn't amused with the fact that they didn't call him for the Tusk Deluxe reissue, I bet they didn't call him for Mirage either but they did contact Ken...

who is "they"? WBs? besides being asked for some kind of signature that WB can go ahead with a reissue band members (or album producers?) may not have much or anything to do with a re-issue.

i don't know how much truth is to that, but doesn't every show about music usually show an artist being in push-pull with a record company that wants to keep re-issuing greatest hits type of stuff instead of any new music artist is working on? :shrug:

[SisterNightroad]

who is "they"? WBs? besides being asked for some kind of signature that WB can go ahead with a reissue band members (or album producers?) may not have much or anything to do with a re-issue.

i don't know how much truth is to that, but doesn't every show about music usually show an artist being in push-pull with a record company that wants to keep re-issuing greatest hits type of stuff instead of any new music artist is working on? :shrug:
Yes, Warner Brothers.
Last year or before for example didn't Lidsey mention that he gave the OK to the reissue but didn't want to be involved because there already existed deluxe versions of Rumours/Tusk?

[nicole21290]

No posts from RD for a week and a half.
Does anyone know whether he's gone off the boil again or whether he's just working hard on his new website? Anyone here involved with it?
cheers.

Not off the boil, no. I think he's had a few rougher days this week health-wise, though. They've been working on the website, and Stacy's been showing him updates and so forth, so he's definitely still around.

[FuzzyPlum]

Cool. Thanks all.
I wish Stacy could just post a picture or two every now and then just to keep things ticking over.

[sleepless child]

I think they are trying to get the website up and going. I hope this isn't another promise and fail to deliver.

[nicole21290]

I think they are trying to get the website up and going. I hope this isn't another promise and fail to deliver.

It's very real and she has a rough time that she wants it to be launched. I know Stacy was spending some time this past week transferring some beta tapes (though technology wasn't always playing along nicely) if that helps cheer anyone up, lol.

[nicole21290]

More Tusk footage from Richard.

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And tweets from Stacy.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Okay, gotta clear the air here.<br>Dear people on the ledge, those tweets on TPT page were me, accidents, I was logged in the wrong page.<br>lol</p>&mdash; Stacy Be (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/717557925464514561">April 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also for people of The Ledge,<br>RD didn't want to be a part of the remastering of Mirage, same as Lindsey.<br>Stop reading into my tweets lmao</p>&mdash; Stacy Be (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/717558331565428737">April 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Wdm6789]

More Tusk footage from Richard.

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And tweets from Stacy.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Okay, gotta clear the air here.<br>Dear people on the ledge, those tweets on TPT page were me, accidents, I was logged in the wrong page.<br>lol</p>&mdash; Stacy Be (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/717557925464514561">April 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also for people of The Ledge,<br>RD didn't want to be a part of the remastering of Mirage, same as Lindsey.<br>Stop reading into my tweets lmao</p>&mdash; Stacy Be (@Stacy_B) <a href="https://twitter.com/Stacy_B/status/717558331565428737">April 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I love how all these videos have Sara playing. It makes me want more outtakes of it. I also love how Stevie is having a glass of wine. Where are John and Christine in these videos?

[nicole21290]

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[WayOfTheDragon]

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I LOVE THIS!!! Wish I could get a lossless/ CD version of it. Makes me REALLY want a Tango deluxe edition!!!

[MikeVielhaber]

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That's pretty awesome.

[tango87]

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Oh my, this is wonderful. More of this sort of thing please...

[tango87]

By the way, we also need to encourage more Ledgies to post questions for Richard's Q&A.

[vivfox]

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One of the best demo's of Lindsey's that I have ever heard. Loved the pictures in the video also.

[FuzzyPlum]

Oh yessssss. That's absolutely effing-well brilliant.
Love the quirky vocals at 2.30ish.

[michelej1]

What a wonderful guitar showcase. It only makes me renew my longstanding plea that Lindsey perform this in concert. Mac or solo.

Michele

[nicole21290]

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[FuzzyPlum]

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Incredible. A really peaceful piece of music.
Does anyone recognise this as a tune that ended up anywhere?

[sorcerer999]

So does anyone know what's up with Richard? Wasn't he supposed to do a Q&A a long time ago? He also hasn't posted anything on his Tumblr blog in quite awhile. That doesn't seem like a good sign at all.

Does anyone here keep in touch with him or Stacy? If so, maybe they can contact either one and give us an update?

[HomerMcvie]

Richard stopped posting on fb quite some time ago. Stacy still posts, but the majority of her posts are just the sharing of memes, etc...

[FuzzyPlum]

I think it best to let him be now. I hope he's okay but I guess he doesn't want the hassle any more.

[HomerMcvie]

I agree. He seemed to be so open to sharing everything with us, then suddenly clammed up. "Something" happened,IMO. We'll probably never know, but I'll bet my left pinky toe that someone asked him (possibly with a little money) to stfu.

[olive]

someone asked him (possibly with a little money) to stfu.



5 lawyers Would be my guess

[jbrownsjr]

5 lawyers Would be my guess

He's also not well.

[michelej1]

I remember that Richard had some nice anecdotes about John Courage on his tumblr. John's death made me think about Richard.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

I remember that Richard had some nice anecdotes about John Courage on his tumblr. John's death made me think about Richard.

Michele

Ken had other stories. :lol:

[SisterNightroad]

Anyone knows what happened to Richard?
And about the Q&A we should have done with him?

[michelej1]

I am not sure we had enough questions to do a Q & A. So, I didn't get back to Stacy.

Michele

[bombaysaffires]

I am not sure we had enough questions to do a Q & A. So, I didn't get back to Stacy.

Michele

wow. that's shocking!:eek:

[Tango]

I am not sure we had enough questions to do a Q & A. So, I didn't get back to Stacy.

Michele

If you buy into the theory that every answer generates more questions, I bet you will have many more questions submitted once you begin. ;)

[SisterNightroad]

I understand, however it's such a pity.
I still wonder why he's disappeared though.

I found an old Tusk era Richard interview, maybe it can stimulate questions:


Modern Recording (03/1979), A Session with Fleetwood Mac - Spinning Platinum

MR: Seated before our microphones today is Richard Dashut, one of two masterminds behind the recording and producing of the incredibly successful Rumours album. Richard, can you explain this unique association with your partner Ken Caillat and the band?

RD: Titles are too general. In every situation a producer and engineer might do something different, but in this case, Ken and I both co-engineer and co-produce. The credits will read: Produced by Fleetwood Mac with Richard Dashut and Ken Caillat. As far as the band goes, musically they are the only geniuses around here. They produce themselves when it comes to what they want in sounds and arrangements. As far as organization is concerned, the details, making suggestions, keeping things running and the instruments tuned, we have that responsibility.

MR: How long is the recording of this [new] album going to take?

RD: Hard to say right now. To give you an idea. Rumours took eleven months to record and it's only a single album. There is a possibility of a double album this time. So, I'm not sure how long it will take, but it will probably be a few months.

MR: Do you sense that the band is being cautious in following up Rumours? Is there any pressure in following a 14 million seller?

RD: No, not really. For us, the pressure is in making sure we come up with something different. We are always looking for a change. It is very important for us not to rest on our laurels and simply repeat the past. It is more important to grow and try things we haven't done. In that respect there is no pressure because this album will be a different character.

MR: Are the writers coming into the studio with the material and everything previously prepared?

RD: Yes. The songs have been developed over the past year or two - since the end of Rumours. For the most part, they are not arranged. That is saved for the studio to get everyone's input; a lot of the words will have been yet unwritten. As far as exact wording, arrangements and how it will be approached, that is pretty much decided in the studio. The band will walk in with the basic ideas that they recorded at home on cassette but everything else is saved for the studio.

MR: Are there any collaborations between members or do they still prefer to write alone?

RD: As far as the writing goes, they do not pair up and write songs. "The Chain" was written that way [collaboration] because it was conceived in the studio. As far as working on background parts on the basic tracks, they will go over to each others' houses, sit around the piano and work things out. Although I haven't seen much of that on this album.

MR: On each of the last two albums there were two singles and four other songs chosen for FM airplay. The band does not go for themes and concept albums, so I'm wondering what will be the focus of a double LP. What is the purpose behind that?

RD: This album will purely be an expression of desire, of love, of music. We are thinking of doing a double because of the fact that there have been very few great double albums out. We're talking maybe the Beatles [the "White" album] and Elton's Goodbye maroon Brick Road. I can't think of any others, unless you want to consider the first Chicago album where one side was completely free-form guitar and improvs.

We feel we've got a lot of good material. The band is very prolific, so there is no problem in finding enough material for four sides, and there won't be any cereal filler, either. There will be four very strong sides or we simply will not put out a double album. We're not doing it for the hell of it. We feel we have a lot to express and two sides won't cover it completely.

MR: Does Fleetwood Mac consider Rumours to be a pop classic?

RD: We knew we had something hot after the first two months of recording. We would sit back and listen to some of the basic tracks before the overdubs were added and we'd say, "My God, this is sounding really good; we've got something here."

We knew in our hearts and in the back of our minds that we were doing the heaviest stuff we'd ever done. The music was taking on an unexpected aura; the character was much different from anything else they had ever done. We had an idea that we had made a good album before it was released but we had no idea that it would #1 on the charts for six months.

How do you explain something like that? I don't know. It doesn't change you that much, but it's funny ..... you can go into the studio and make a successful album, but it does not necessarily mean that you feel fulfilled just because it sells 14 million copies.

MR: Were there any mistakes on Rumours?

RD: Oh yes. As far as mistakes go, we're talking about maybe the way Kenny and I wanted to record some things or maybe the way we wanted a song to sound. It really isn't a matter of mistakes, but rather a little bit of hindsight. After spending a year working on it we couldn't stand to listen to it; but today when we hear it, we are basically pleased.

MR: Who the hell are you anyway?

RD: Hey, look, I went to college - philosophy, psychology, the whole thing. I quit because I was board with not learning the things I wanted to know. I moved from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and I didn't have a clue as to what I wanted to do with myself. I considered getting into motion pictures, music, a bunch of things.

What did I know about music? Well, I grew up with a bunch of guys who were musicians and everybody around me was playing guitar so I took up a few instruments, but I never had the strict discipline to practice eight hours a day, seven days a week.

So the question I put to myself was how do I want to express myself. I was looking for a way to reach out and tell people I wa salive. I was in that frame of mind when I heard about this studio that a friend's mother had a silent partnership in. That was Crystal Studios in Hollywood.

Because I had some sort of "in", I thought I would go down and apply for a job. I had never been in a recording studio and I hadn't a clue as to how albums were made. It wasn't a burning desire that prompted me to do it because I didn't even know what an engineer was and I wasn't the kind of guy who goes out and buys all the albums and sits for nine hours a day listening to them. For me, it was a matter of walking into the studio to get a job around musicians in order to get a sense of purpose. At Crystal I was working for nine months literally sweeping floors and cleaning out toilets. The only time I was allowed in the studio was to clean out ashtrays.

I remember the first time I walked into the control room and saw these tremendous speakers and tape machines and this big board with all these knobs - I hadn't a clue as to what it was all about. It was so far above me, it was such a long range goal, that it kept me going. The fact that I had to start from scratch and grow into something combined with the marvel of all the equipment made me realize that this was what I wanted to do. Here was a chance to combine what I enjoyed doing - listening to music and hanging around musicians - with a career which I hoped I could one day make money at. I never dreamed that I would ever make money at this business, it wasn't my initial intention.

MR: What groups did you work with at Crystal Studios?

RD: I was cleaning out the toilet for Jackson Browne and I had to sweep the floor one day when James Taylor walked in with muddy shoes. I was a biggie then. You could say I was in charge of "cleaning up everybody's act." You haven't lived until you've been on your knees scooping out a toilet. It's the lowest common denominator. I played it safe. I started out with toilets and worked my way up.

MR: How did you get out of the bowl and into the studio?

RD: I met a gentleman named Keith Olsen at Crystal. Keith engineered the Fleetwood Mac album. At the time, he was working at the mastering facilities and we would spend some time talking about our common interests.

A political thing came down at Crystal and a co-owner decided he didn't want me around anymore and he fired me for personal reasons. For two weeks I laid around in a depression, undecided between suicide and the French Foreign Legion. Keith and David DeVore got together and said, "Hey, you know that young punk who used to sweep floors in the studio? He's a good stickman, why don't we hire him for Sound City Studios?" Keith was head engineer at Sound City, so he asked me to come to work there. I jumped at it immediately.

MR: What sort of a job was it?

RD: Here's the funny part. I was an apprentice maintenance man, a boffin. A boffin is what the English call a technical genius, the man who knows how to fix everything.

MR: Did you?

RD: No. I was a total failure at it. They quickly realized that I was not cut out for fixing equipment. I think they got the message one day when they asked me to replace a resistor and I asked, "What's a resistor?" I kinda gave myself away there.

After three or four weeks of aligning tape machines only to have engineers playing tapes back finding no high end at all, they decided that I was not suitable. Keith still liked me in spite of all of this and he decided that I might make a good second engineer. So, finally, into the studio. Finally, a button pusher, tape changer and keeper of the logs - all the fun stuff.

MR: Who were you working with?

RD: We worked with such people as Emitt Rhoades and Domenic Troiano; nothing huge, but known people.

My first job at Sound City was to paint the control room. On the second day of the job there was a gentleman standing in the corner with his girlfriend smoking a joint, and because I like smoking joints myself, I went and joined them and we became instant friends. That couple was Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks.

MR: You're kidding.

RD: No, I'm not. This was about a year before the Buckingham Nicks LP came out. They had been up north in a band called Fritz and had done a few demos with Keith when they decided to go off on their own. They were trying to cut a record deal. It took a year but it finally happened.

As it happened, I eventually moved in with Lindsey and Stevie and worked as Keith's second.

Lindsey had a Ampex 4-track and he set up a studio in my bedroom. It was delightful after spending all day in the studio to come home to more music. I had to sleep between the editing block and one of the empty reels.

All this time Lindsey spent co-writing and arranging the Buckingham Nicks album, most of which was dating back two years from the time when they were playing up north. That is the way Lindsey has always worked, at home on a 4-track. His music never came from magic - although he has lots of that - just a lot of hard work. He also gave me quite a bit of basic recording knowledge on such things as bouncing tracks and synching.

The Buckingham Nicks album was the first album that I ever seconded with Keith. I spent about two years as his second and another year with Mark Smith. Mark and I mixed the Bachman-Turner Overdrive Not Fragile album together. I only got the chance to work my own sessions on weekends when the studio wasn't booked and mostly worked for friends or people who could not afford to pay for the work. I was an easy touch.

MR: So, after Stevie and Lindsey dropped the second Buckingham-Nicks album to join Fleetwood Mac, how did you get into the picture?

RD: I got a call from Lindsey and he asked me if I wanted to go on the road to mix sounds for their concerts. So, I had this important decision to make - do I give up all of this or do I go on the road and eat? I made my decision before Lindsey was finished asking the question. And for a whole year, some ninety shows, I did the sound for the Fleetwood Mac tour in late '75 and through '76.

MR: Did you know how to mix "live" sound?

RD: Hadn't a clue. I hadn't even been to that many concerts much less mix them. It was a whole new thing, but I wasn't really happy except for the two hours during the show when I was in heaven. I love the aspect of losing myself in the mixing, it's like meditating. But it's the other 22 hours a day on the road that I hate. Hey, these are great stories. The whole scene about this band is that it is so un-typical, so un-what-you'd-expect.

MR: Where does your partner Ken Caillat come in?

RD: During the tour, we had stopped off to do a show for King Biscuit Flour [sic] Hour and I had to find a place to re-mix it because it had been recorded very poorly. I ended up at Wally Heider's Studio primarily because it was available and had a good mixdown room.

So, I come walking into the room with two tapes in my hands and there sits Ken. I sat down to begin work and I was feeling a little nervous. I introduced myself as an engineer, he said the same and we sat silent for a few minutes. Then he asked me if I smoked weed, and I said, "Yeah." He followed up by asking if I wanted to get high, and, like with Stevie and Lindsey, we became fast friends.

We put the tapes aside for a few minutes, smoked a joint and spent most of the night mixing tapes. The band liked the job and they liked Ken, I liked Ken, everybody liked Ken.

MR: How could Fleetwood Mac come to ask the two of you to engineer and produce their album if you virtually had no experience?

RD: Deke Richards was originally scheduled to engineer Rumours. I remember meeting him at a party shortly before recording was due to begin. The band had asked me to second on the album and I approached Deke and told him how much I was looking forward to working with him. Deke said, "Oh, I guess you haven't heard, I've got my own engineer I work with." And I said, "I thought you were the engineer." And Deke replied, "No, I'm producing."

The thing is, Fleetwood Mac doesn't hire producers. Deke was not hired to be a producer. The band doesn't need one. They are capable on their own. They don't need someone shouting in from the control room telling them what to do.

When the band found out about Deke's intentions and the fact that he was going to ask for a bit of money to do it, it didn't work out and they decided not to use him.

I remember walking out into the parking lot with Mick wondering what we were going to do for an engineer when he just turned to me and said, "You're going to do the next album," just like that.

If you want to know the truth, Rumours is the first album I've ever co-produced on my own and one of the first times I had engineered on my own. I'm not kidding. It's gross, isn't it? It's silly. What did you expect, heavyweights?

R: Yes, quite frankly.

RD: That is what's ****ed up about the music business. You've got a lot of experienced people running around with preconceived ideas of how music should sound. Album after album after album turn out the same. Maybe it's time for people who don't know what the **** they are doing to come along and work solely from their feelings, not because they are [technically] knowledgeable, but because they may have something to offer artistically. Maybe out of a naive energy something heavy can come out. Rumours had not the slightest element of preconception. It was born out of an expression of desire. I'm sick of bull**** from producers who say, "Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing."

MR: Richard, you're getting a little angry .....

RD: If you want to know exactly my sentiments on the matter, I'm bitter. The music business has become very disillusioning to me. I used to look up to the heavyweight producers and engineers because they were amazingly talented, but turn on the radio and maybe there's one out of ten songs that is decent.

Any huge moneymaking machine, like a dinosaur, is not going to adapt to change. The future of the music business lies in the hands of the musicians and writers, not the producers or engineers who try to manipulate them. They are safe with their formulas. They know the public is going to buy it and they stick with the tried and true. The business is commercially oriented, not artistically motivated.

MR: Do you think that is what prompted Fleetwood Mac to change from being Britain's #1 blues band to a west coast pop group? Did the Mac discover a formula to crank up its own moneymaking machine?

RD: Nothing prompted Fleetwood Mac to do anything. There is no motive behind them; it's all instinct. Fleetwood Mac got together in its present form because Mick felt Stevie and Lindsey had a lot to offer; it just happened. All Mick needed was a vocalist and a guitarist. He didn't say, "Aha! Let's mix a British blues band with a west coast sound and see what we get." It worked out into an amazing combination, but it certainly wasn't planned that way.

MR: We have talked about what makes a great band, but what do you think makes a great producer and engineer? Are there any? Face it, Rumours was your first time out. What changed you from a men's room attendant into a successful engineer and producer?

RD: My high school education.

MR: No, seriously. Is there any such thing as a great engineer and producer or are they just fortunate?

RD: I think that the highest qualities that a producer or engineer can have are sensitivity and understanding. Being able to listen to and absorb what the artist is trying to express instead of making the artist fit into a preconceived mold of how the engineer or producer thinks they should sound. They must free their professional egos to allow them to become open to the song and the artist. The music can tell you what it needs.

MR: I can see how you can do that with a band that you have known intimately for many years. But what happens when a new act comes to you and says, "Do for me what you did for Fleetwood Mac"? Is it possible to do that without moving in with them for several years?

RD: No, it is not possible. Not to the degree of the relationship that I have with Fleetwood Mac. It's possible, in as short a period as you might have, to be open enough and try to get to know them. I don't think musical engineering is that cut and dried to where you can go into a studio and get hot and do it. The initial steps are getting to know the artist and understanding what you are working with and what he hopes to achieve. Then you figure out how you can help him.

As far as a new act goes, the engineer should provide a center point and base from which the group can build. If I cannot establish a personal relationship with an artist, quite frankly, I won't do the project.

MR: What were some of the problems that you encountered in your first time out as an engineer and producer?

RD: The first problem was that Ken and I had never done an album together and that Ken had not been around us very long. The second problem was a basic feeling of insecurity, which turned out to be an asset.

I was going through feelings such as "Should I really be here?" I mean, I knew sound, but I was wondering if the band thought that I was doing a good job. Ken was going through the same sort of thing.

The sessions had a lot of problems. We went through seven pianos and five piano tuners. After awhile, Ken and I were wondering if we still remembered how to get sound down on tape. Before each session, I would tune drums for an hour-and-a-half to three hours in order to get the perfect sound. In the studio, Mick played his old beat-up road kit and after playing two takes, the drums would go flat because the screws were loose. A tremendous amount of time was spent just on getting drum sounds.

It took two months just for everyone to adjust to one another. Aside from equipment problems, there were psychological problems in that the band was going through a tremendous upheaval. There were break-ups and realignments which had a tremendous effect on their music. Defenses were wearing thin and they were quick to open up their feelings. Instead of going to friends to talk it out, their feelings were vented through their music. It created a certain sensitivity. Our personal lives were in shambles and the album was about the only thing we had left. We were huddled up in this little house in Sausalito working 18 hours a day and our only release was our work, so we were going to make sure that at least that was going to work out right. We put everything we had into that album. There was no magic to it, no key to success, just a lot of hard work. It was no accident, it was eleven months of working and re-working.

MR: How do you and Ken divide your duties?

RD: Our roles were not exactly defined on Rumours. Here we were two engineers who did the same thing where there was room for only one person to turn the knobs and keep it coherent. In other words, if Ken is working on drum sounds and I am working on guitar sounds, we aren't going to match up. It has to be done step by step in order to layer the sound frequencies properly.

What I found myself doing - since Ken is much more technically able than I will ever be, because I know nothing about electronics - was assuming the role of producer. I was able to accept that I have a certain talent and certain deficiences. I work with people who know what they are doing. I don't think one man should be able to walk around thinking, "Hey, I know everything." You have to be able to accept help.

Ken has always been a fiddler. You know the kind of guy who likes to put together models and take apart clocks. My gift is communication - being able to work with people. I know when something feels right even though I do not have the ability to sit down and work out a musical passage myself.

As it worked out, I assumed the role of producer - communicating with the band, providing input, keeping things going - and Ken sat behind the board on my left where the input modules were, so he was more the engineer.

Fleetwood Mac is very demanding. You have five individuals and each will want something different at the same time; it goes on constantly.

MR: How do you reconcile all five of the differences?

RD: We tried all of the ideas to see how each one sounded. If somebody has an idea, we will talk about it first. Then if they still think we should do it, we'll try it. No matter how good a musician is, you just don't know how good something is until you put it on tape and actually run it up through the speakers themselves.

It was a completely democratic process. We tried all of the approaches before making a final decision. I will say that Lindsey has the most concrete musical ideas of anyone. If anyone has a final say, it's Lindsey.

MR: By album's end, how would you describe your function, as a co-producer and co-engineer?

RD: In order for Ken to be alone at the sound board long enough to get something happening, I had to be there directing, keeping things going and keeping the band off Ken's back. We would overlap in quite a few areas. On the new album, Ken will do most of the technical engineering and mic placement and I will be doing the organizing and communicating. It will be pretty much the same as before, only more defined and less overlapping.

MR: What had Ken done before Rumours?

RD: He was mostly a remote man. He worked with Joni Mitchell and Crosby, Stills and Nash on most of the "live" recordings. Doing "live" sound enables you to develop a keen sense of how to handle problems immediately as they arise and Ken is good at that. He keeps himself covered and has control over what he wants.

MR: Many times a producer gets in the way between the artist and the engineer. I suppose that under this set-up you were working to alleviate that.

RD: Ken and I have never had that problem. In some instances our arrangement might have slowed things down a bit because I might have wanted to hear one thing played back and he might want another. It wasn't like we were fighting, it was just that we were working to get something that we both liked. We are here to make good music, not show each other how good we are. It was a matter of getting to know each other. We have no defenses and no egos to protect. That's the key; attitude is the most important thing in the studio. We learn from each other.

The same time and energy spent in combatting an ego can be redirected toward something more positive. Many producers fall into that game, where they don't want to be considered expendable in the least.

MR: Who do you mix for, the kid cruising in his car or the audiophile?

RD: We mix to please ourselves. We are not directed toward any particular market. We mix the way we think it should sound and at the end of a session, we walk out knowing that that's the best we can do.

MR: How much time do you spend in post-recording?

RD: That is the most important stage. We will have basic tracks, but we really won't know what the final product will be like. We won't have any idea about what sort of overdubs we will use. We will have the drums and bass, so it is futile to try to lock yourself into a sound on the basic tracks. We leave things open as possible for mixdown.

We change sounds quite a bit during mixdown to fit things in. We might change the EQ radically, take a dolby out or run things through an amplifier. It's quite an involved process for us. We will have a lot of neat things on tape and if you're not sensitive to it, you can blow the hell out of a song.

MR: Are the special effects added in the studio or during the mix?

RD: Special effects will be recorded on tracks while we are cutting so they can get the feel. Not that we know what the feel is going to be, but sometimes we will provide a certain effect, such as delay, that might inspire them to do a part that they normally would not do. The sound in the headphones might be a certain way; or maybe there will be more delay on the guitar and Lindsey will want to play less busily because of the sustain. So, he will build his part around that rather than if he had no effects requiring him to fill in with more notes. Therefore, it is important to provide the atmosphere while cutting as far as effects go. By trying different sounds you never know where it might lead to.

MR: What do you hope to capture on the basic tracks?

RD: The purpose of the basic tracks is to get a solid drum track where the time is straight all the way through without worrying about anything else. Most often we have to combine several tracks to get the drums right. After one take, if only the first half is good, we will make a 24-track copy of that first verse and then make two other verses out it.

MR: Therefore, may we deduce that the rhythm section is the key to the Fleetwood Mac sound?

RD: Certainly, but as far as recording goes, the key is editing. We are not ashamed of creating an entire cut from editing and overdubbing and completely reworking a song. If you listen to Rumours you will find the timing on that quite good throughout both sides. The tracks are very solid, which is probably why it has sold so well. You pick up at the start and keep going without losing the feel. We took a tremendous amount of time just doing the drum tracks to make sure they were on time, not too busy and had the right feel so that all of the overdubs would lay on them easier. It is a more basic approach. Rather than trying to get five instruments on a basic track, we will start with two or three and wind up taking everything off but the drums. That is one factor of the Fleetwood Mac sound.

MR: What are the other factors?

RD: The major factor of the Fleetwood Mac sound has been the group as a whole. Lindsey is amazing when it comes to knowing sounds. They are all gifted as musicians. Things that helped to shape and form their music have been in the editing: a meticulous care for perfection of every beat and the process of sitting with a song month after month until we've heard it so many times that what goes on tape has to be good simply because nothing else sounds better. When you've been with a song that long, anything that is mediocre simply is not going to make it.

Some groups can go in and do an entire album in six weeks, sometimes just to see how fast they can do it. That is fine for the others, but that's not how we work. It is a long proces of staying with it, trying different things and getting the best possible edition.

MR: Is that why Fleetwood Mac will not do a "live" album?

RD: We will not do a "live" album because we believe that "live" music and studio sound are two different things. I personally do not like "live" albums. I would rather go to a concert and feel it rather than hear a recording of it. Editing in a studio is essentially the art of an album, and you can't very well do editing on stage.

MR: What differences are there in mixing Fleetwood Mac in the studio and mixing their concerts?

RD: In "live" mixing I start off by leaving everything flat until they get into the first number. I remain very flexible and treat each song individually. It is a very psychological thing that you are doing to the audience. If Lindsey takes off on a really hot solo, I bring it way up. When he steps into that spotlight, everyone's eyes are on just him; he's the center of attention, so I turn it up to emphasize that because I think the audience anticipates it. I don't think I mix the same songs or the same shows in the same manner from one concert to the next. The different locations can do funny things to ambience and acoustics.

MR: How does the band react to criticism of its concerts?

RD: First of all, the band does not read reviews. They realize that they are human and that they make mistakes. On an off day, if a critic writes about something which he has accurately perceived, then criticism is a good thing.

Several reviews have been unfair in that the critics suppose too much. One article accused Stevie of being lackluster because she was [supposedly] bored with having to perform the same old songs, which isn't true.

Criticism is usually well received, but we do what we do best and the audiences love it. Maybe Stevie isn't feeling well; maybe it is 100 outside and she is wearing all these clothes and she's been singing the song for three years. Maybe she can't get herself psyched up each time even if there are 80,000 people out there. Ok, so she can't do it, so what? If there is a critic out there who wants to make something of the fact that her voice isn't in the best of shape, what's the point? That's reality. Fleetwood Mac is not a group of gods.

MR: Yes, they are.

RD: No they're not. That's the thing I'm trying to relate. The phenomenon of their success can overshadow the actual music itself. Perhaps Fleetwood Mac has become such a sensation that people are more in tune with that rather than Fleetwood Mac's music itself.

MR: Well, heroes are hard to find .....

RD: I know Rumours was one of the heaviest things out in a long time. To create that, the band just does its job better than anyone else does their job. They don't feel special about themselves.

MR: Will you improve on Rumours? Can you put the same effort into this album? Did the old feeling come back?

RD: That's a good point. The struggle to improve on what has come before is a great pressure. The approach we are taking is to do something different, to keep growing so that when we come into the studio we have that sense of urgency which is usually lost after a big album.

We worried all the way through Rumours. We worried that it was taking too long and that it might not sell. We spent damn near half a million dollars on the album and it could have just as easily gone nowhere. There was a sense of urgency and struggle which kept us going at our peak.

Many people would think that same sense of urgency isn't here on this album, but it is. We created one by atempting to do a double album and to create such a variety of songs with different sounds and textures that at this point, we have no idea how it's going to turn out. So we have the same worries about creating something new. No one here is that secure in his success not to worry.

MR: How do you cultivate "different"?

RD: First, you look for the spark in wanting to find a different sound. You cultivate it by trying different sounds and techniques. There will be a lot of qualities from Rumours as well as a lot of new things.

At this point, we have the basic tracks to half of the songs and again, it's the overdubs that will take them in a particular direction. So, I'm not sure how "different" is cultivated; we are still looking for it.

We aren't here to do a technically perfect album; we want sounds with character. I think back to the fifties when the only songs came from the floor of the studio .... but they had character. Why does the snare drum have to sound like a thick piece of beauty? Rock is the snare sound, the roomy sound, and I like that old Elvis quality. I tend to shy away from technical sterility.

MR: Do you think Rumours is Fleetwood Mac's best work?

RD: No.

MR: Do you think for its time it was your best work?

RD: Yes.

MR: Would there be drastic changes if you could remix Rumours today?

RD: No. I'd leave it the same as far as mixing is concerned. It is a statement for where we were at that time. >From hindsight, I can say that we could have improved it, but I really wouldn't want to touch it. It was the best we could do at the time.

MR: What is the relationship that you and Ken have had with the band at this point?

RD: Technically, if the band doesn't like what we are doing, we abandon it. We all get together and discuss it. We don't say, "This is the way it's going to be." We work together for a common cause. It isn't like they do one thing in the studio and we do something else in the control room; we have a common ground. It works the other way too. If the band is doing something that we don't like, we tell them.

MR: Mick, why did the band go on tour while recording this album?

Mick Fleetwood: I suppose we did it to feel like a band again. We needed a short break from the studio, but not a complete break from playing. So, we picked up a very few dates just to tighten up. Communication on stage is almost like mental telepathy and it was important to become attuned to one another before spending any more time in the studio.

MR: For the first time in recent recollection, the Mac's performances were sharply criticized. In point, one report blames Stevie for throwing off an otherwise exceptional performance because she appeared disinterested. Also, there were a few concert cancellations. How do you react, ultimately to such criticisms?

MF: We read what critics have to say, but that does not mean we are affected, just interested. I think occasionally they forget that we are human and that we will have our off days. Stevie, in particular, has had difficulties with her throat, and it tends to be a bit overpublicized. It's not so much a lack of interest, but sometimes it is hard to work yourself up to the same level of frenzy night after night. Some of the earlier cancellations were due to Stevie, but last time out it was Lindsey who collapsed. He was given a spinal tap which developed complications, but he's come around.

MR: Why does the band remain tight-lipped about a project in the works?

MF: Because of the way we go about recording only there isn't much to talk about until it's in the mix. Things are very flexible, very changeable up until the very last stages and there seems to be no point going into detail about the album while we are only recording the basic tracks.

MR: Do you hear from old friends from time to time?

MF: Jeremy Spencer is recording again and he is in LA from time to time. Peter Green is in the process of putting himself back together. He had been working on a solo album in England, but I'm not sure what's become of it.

Fleetwood Mac is presently recording in a new studio which was custom tailored for the Mac by the Village Recorder's [LA] staff in cooperation with Dashut and Caillat. The Mac had requested the use of two complete studios for one year's rental and were denied due to the fact that the one remaining studio would not be able to accommodate the long list of heavy-weights queuing to get in. So, while the band plays on in the comforts of Studio D, carpenters perch precariously overhead to make adjustments that the band may request.

To explain the instruments through which Mac music passes on its way to being grooved into vinyl, Ken Klinger, Chief of Electronic Maintenance guides us through Studio D. From the control room, there are four rooms which are capable of total isolation while remaining visually accessible. All rooms open on to the largest and centrally located room where the band is set up in very close proximity. The rooms come decked out with video cameras and playback units, track lighting which can facilitate television cameras and slide projectors which beam large scenic panoramas onto room walls to provide atmosphere.

"The board is the Neve 8078", Klinger proudly points out. "It is the newest and the only one in the country, one of two in the world presently. It's 40-in/24-out with a sixth generation Necam computer. It is a true digital computerized system in that the faders actually move by themselves after they have been programmed. It is able to store 999 mixes on one disk and its merge function makes it possible to select exactly what you want from any mix and combine them. The SMBTE time code allows the computer to run the tape machine and therefore the console and tape are linked in every aspect.

"The monitors are a custom job by Village Recorder personnel utilizing JBL components. The speakers are time-aligned, mounted physically in the cabinets so that the highs, mid-range and lows will arrive at the same time. The speaker cabinet adds no sound of its own. You get only what you put into it."

"The rooms needs very little EQ," adds Dashut. "The sound is very clean so there is no definite setting."

Klinger continues: "We have two Studer A80 VU Mark IIs named Hansel and Gretel; they are Swiss, get it? They are 16/24 track machines. Then, there are Donald and Walter, named for Steely Dan. They are Ampex ATR-100s, 2 tracks. And also the MCI JH-110 2-tracks named Hymie and Saul because they're originally from Miami ..."

MR: Explain the construction of Studio D and how it was customized for Fleetwood Mac.

KK: You will notice that no two walls connect and that walls do not directly join the floor or the ceiling. This completely eliminates low frequency vibrations leaking from one source into another room. The ceilings are movable. By pushing a button, it is possible to automatically revolve the slats in the roof to provide as "live" a sound or as dead a sound as you wish. Just let me know and I can make doors pop out of nowhere, make walls disappear ....

We have a very sophisticated talk-back system between the control room and the isolation rooms. It operates independently of switch flipping and is activated automatically whenever recording is not in progress. There are tie lines in every wall of every room to connect any instrument to any amp in any room. Lindsey can play his guitar in room #1 and come through an amp in room #4 simply by patching his guitar onto the tie line.

Finally, we have added direct boxes at comfortably convenient locations in the control room so that John can practice a part alone while the band is recording. That way, there is no interference and a lot of time is saved. There are forty mic inputs at every panel around this studio.

MR: Which headsets have you selected?

RD: I like the Koss Auditors for the highs and for more definition in the midrange. I like the AKG 240s for warmer sounds.

MR: What special effects do you employ in the studio?

RD: The limiters, tap slap and sometimes a digital delay.

MR: Let's discuss mic selection.

RD: McVie plays an Alembic bass which we take direct, no problem. Miking Mick's drums are a problem because he has a very strange habit of playing with his mouth open.

The drums are miked overall by two Neumann M49s about six feet away and at a 45 angle. Sometimes I use very few mics to avoid phasing problems and at other times I mic each drum individually for the separation. The drums are always meticulously tuned somewhat flat.

On the toms, I prefer the U-47 FET for the lows and the KM-86 for the highs [both Neumanns]. The Shure SM-57 is a good mic for the bass [drum] and snare, but the Beyer M-88 is my favorite overall for the bass. I place one in the center and another on the side for the midrange attack.

The snares can be miked with any of the three among the KM-86, SM-57 or the AKG C-451E for the highs. The 451s are also used as overheads on hi-hats and the Nemann KM-84 is sometimes used because it isn't quite as "edgy" as the 451.

MR: What keyboards does Christine have set up in the studio?

RD: Christine plays a Yamaha Electric CP30, a Rhodes 73 and a Hohner Electric Pianet which are all miked direct. On the 9-foot Yamaha Grand piano, I use three mics placed for the highs, midrange and lows. In that manner I can then switch around to see which mics I want to keep.

MR: What do you use for the vocals?

RD: Neumann U-87 or a U-47 tube-type. Sometimes a M-49 if I want a brighter sound.

MR: The miking and special effects on Lindsey's guitars are of special interest. Let's take the miking procedures first.

RD: We sometimes use a Fat box to mic Lindsey direct. When he plays acoustic, we use a Sony ECM50 taped to the face of the guitar. We place a 451 and a SM-57 on the amps or use the U-47 tube-type in place of the 57.

MR: Lindsey, your fingers look like hamburger. I cannot recall having ever seen or heard you using a pick. Could you give me a lesson or two in your technique?

Lindsey Buckingham: Right now I think I own about fifty guitars. My favorite electric guitars are a Gretsch, a Fender Stratocaster and an older Gibson Les Paul. I have never used a pick. I also tend to play with rather extreme pressure on the frets.

MR: What special effects do you use in the studio?

LB: Special effects in the studio are almost restricted to tape slap. On stage I use a Space Echo and a Morley Volume Pedal. I built my own fuzz box by using the guts out of something else.

MR: Richard, give me some idea of how you assign tracks.

RD: The bass guitar and drums are priorities so I run a direct from the bass onto track 1 and mic the bass amp on track 2. The bass drum is on track 3, the snare on 4 and the tom-toms on 5 and 6 with the cymbals, too. Tracks 7, 8 and 9 are reserved for the keyboards usually and 10 and 11 are for Lindsey's guitars. The rest of the tracks are for the vocals and overdubs.

MR: What's this thing?

KK: This thing is a "Dingle."

MR: And that is .....?

KK: A microphone.

MR: But it is only an eighth-of-an-inch square and only as thick as a sheet of paper.

KK: And it costs $7.86 and is as good as any Neumann. [Please Neumann, send all complaints directly to Mr Klinger - Ed.]

MR: You mean to tell me that you are recording Fleetwood Mac on a dime-store microphone?

KK: Actually, that's not what it is made for [ie, recording instruments].

MR: I didn't think so.

KK: They cost us $7.86 including tax. We use them on acoustic guitars, pianos, drums and are as sharp and clear as any Neumann. Only we won't tell you who makes them because it is our secret. But I will tell you this: we have bought a crate of them and we are going to cover this studio with them - the walls, everything. We have named it Dingle for obvious reasons.

MR: I can't believe that I am sitting in the midst of one of the world's most lavish recording studios and they use 10¢-mics to record supergroups. The only thing that you need is a machine that talks back to you.

KK: We have that right over here. The Necam has made it almost impossible for an engineer to make a mistake. If you enter the wrong code, it tells you politely that you've ****ed up.

[Taped across Necam's face is a quote from the motion picture 2001: A Space Odyssey which reads: "I know I've made some mistakes in the past, but I'm better now. - Hal 2001 AD."]

MR: And at home ....

RD: At home, Mick and Lindsey have both 4-track and 8-track tape recorders. Lindsey uses his home studio for developing songs and Mick uses his as a music room - a breeding ground for creativity and to have friends over for a jam.

MR: On a social level, how are the members of Fleetwood Mac interacting?

RD: Most noticeably, Lindsey and Stevie no longer have to worry about survival. I think their prosperity has made each more of an individual.

Emotions are not running as high as they were during Rumours.

MR: And their music?

RD: Exceptional.


http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.php?page=index_v2&id=527&c=18

[WayOfTheDragon]

Fascinating interview, thanks for posting!

[lovethemac1]

That really was a very interesting article. It was great to read. Thank you! I wish we knew more about what had happened to Richard. I really hope he is ok, he was such a kind and generous soul from what I could tell.

[lilyfee]

Thank you so much for posting... Great interview! I love how Richard makes friends with Lindsey, Stevie, and Ken by smoking joints with them.:lol:

He seems a little jaded and bitter, even then. I'm surprised that Richard was so inexperienced when he started with Fleetwood Mac, since he seems so wise and organized these days!

Very interesting to read about Stevie's physical condition in contrast to now, when Stevie's so engaged and in shape vocally...

[MikeInNV]

Richard was at Stevie's show in Vegas Saturday night. She gave a shout-out to him during the introduction of "Crying in the Night." I didn't see him, but I did see a picture of him, Waddy, and Mary Torrey-DeVitto that Mary posted on Facebook yesterday. He looked good, and very happy.

[FuzzyPlum]

The good news is Richard is active on Twitter again.
https://twitter.com/RichardDashut

Nothing on The Penguins Tale but good to know he is well.

[Wdm6789]

The good news is Richard is active on Twitter again.
https://twitter.com/RichardDashut

Nothing on The Penguins Tale but good to know he is well.


Will someone ask him how his reunion with Fleetwood Mac was during their 2014-2015 tour?

[dreamsunwind]

Will someone ask him how his reunion with Fleetwood Mac was during their 2014-2015 tour?

He got asked that on his other blog although I'm not sure if he was talking about the 2013 tour or the 2014/2015 tour. I don't remember exactly what he said but he mentioned something about how he usually didn't like going to see them because of the entourage but he went because Mick told him it would be more quiet and it ended up being a really good experience. He said he knew he had to get over whatever he may have been upset about with them and especially with Lindsey since he was the closest to him. And he mentioned that Stevie told a lot of old stories about when they lived together and that he was surprised to see her so happy.

I've always been curious about what happened that made him fall out of touch with the band for so long. Especially he and Lindsey were bffs for like 20 years. Someone asked him once about what Ken said Lindsey not paying him and he said that wasn't true at all (and that LB was actually very generous) and that even he doesn't really understand what happened but it had nothing to do with money. He was still close with LB during the OOTC era but he one time said that the making of the Time album was during one of the darkest periods in his life so I assume something happened to him around then? I never sent him a message asking about it because it seemed too personal and I even feel kind of bad speculating but I'm just curious.

However I follow Stacy's twitter and she said that Mick and Lindsey still text and talk to him every now and then. Apparently Mick uses a lot of emojis and Lindsey doesn't use them at all :lol:

[Stormwind]

Dashut's blog, Twitter page, are full of words of love and admiration for Lindsey (" his mentor"), Stevie, the band, so I can not stop myself from asking what happened. The man has a special place in his heart (as it should be) and is proud of what that group of people was able to accomplish; sometimes reading through his words it seems he's not totally in peace with the past. There's some kind of "baggage" there.

[SisterNightroad]

I kept forgettng to post about it, but a while ago I discovered that Richard is active again on his Twitter page: https://twitter.com/richarddashut

[FuzzyPlum]

I kept forgettng to post about it, but a while ago I discovered that Richard is active again on his Twitter page: https://twitter.com/richarddashut


Well, he was until he stopped 9 days ago.
BTW, I find it strange he doesn't seem to have made any mention of the Buckingham McVie album.

[dreamsunwind]

Well, he was until he stopped 9 days ago.
BTW, I find it strange he doesn't seem to have made any mention of the Buckingham McVie album.

He has mentioned it, I've been following him for a while now and I'm almost 100% sure I either saw him refer to it or answer a message about it.
And I wouldn't make anything of him not tweeting over a couple of days, he did that a few times before.

[FuzzyPlum]

He has mentioned it, I've been following him for a while now and I'm almost 100% sure I either saw him refer to it or answer a message about it.
And I wouldn't make anything of him not tweeting over a couple of days, he did that a few times before.


Nope. Check again. He may have made a comment way back but nothing in recent months and certainly no comment since its release. Isn't that weird?
No tweets either since its release. Emotional for him perhaps???

[dreamsunwind]

Nope. Check again. He may have made a comment way back but nothing in recent months and certainly no comment since its release. Isn't that weird?
No tweets either since its release. Emotional for him perhaps???

It was this https://twitter.com/richarddashut/status/852974702968438784
And I still wouldn't think much of it. He's kind of...eccentric I think and probably like you said emotional type of person.

[bombaysaffires]

It was this https://twitter.com/richarddashut/status/852974702968438784
And I still wouldn't think much of it. He's kind of...eccentric I think and probably like you said emotional type of person.

his comment suggests that he like many of us thinks it's hard to hear Christine much at all on In My World.

[dreamsunwind]

his comment suggests that he like many of us thinks it's hard to hear Christine much at all on In My World.

I wouldn't call it a suggestion, I think he's pretty outwardly stating that and it's true, might as well be a solo song. But now we've heard the whole album and Christine is obviously there so I can get over that. Plus I think people had the wrong impression of this album, that it would be actual duets. It's more like how the Buckingham Nicks album is a duet.

[BLY]

I wouldn't call it a suggestion, I think he's pretty outwardly stating that and it's true, might as well be a solo song. But now we've heard the whole album and Christine is obviously there so I can get over that. Plus I think people had the wrong impression of this album, that it would be actual duets. It's more like how the Buckingham Nicks album is a duet.


The term duet is a bit misleading as relates to this project. I think the term was used because it was just the two of them on the record not the three singers. A duet album would be both singers sharing LEAD vocals on all tracks.

[verve93]

Anyone know what happened to Richard? I miss his posts.

[bombaysaffires]

it would be oh so interesting to hear his thoughts on a day like today....:confused:

[jbrownsjr]

it would be oh so interesting to hear his thoughts on a day like today....:confused:

...thoughts on a grey day....

[SisterNightroad]

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[bombaysaffires]

who is that in the pool with Richard? Though he said he wouldn't name the person who wrote that about him in their book, I'm wondering if the picture is a hint about who it was....

The only books I could think of beside Mick's from people closer to the band was Ray Lindsey's, but that's not him in the photo plus R reports he's working on his book with Ray, so, clearly wasn't him. (Plus I read Ray's book and have no recollection of him ever saying such things about Richard)... Edited to add that I forgot about Ken's book. I can't recall if he said negative stuff about Richard. Off the top of my head I don't remember anything like that....

It'll be interesting to see if any skeletons come out of any closets in the book. People seem to be treading carefully whilst band members are still alive. It can only get more interesting as time passes....

I hope if his book comes to light that Richard signs with a quality big publisher and they put a really good editor on it. Every writer needs someone to cut through the bloat.

[FuzzyPlum]

who is that in the pool with Richard? Though he said he wouldn't name the person who wrote that about him in their book, I'm wondering if the picture is a hint about who it was....


Pretty sure that's Richard on the right in the pool with Lindsey on the left.

[FuzzyPlum]

'On the other side of things, I have heard from Mick and the rest of the band through Mick, that I am wanted at there last show of perhaps their touring lives'.


Sounds like it could very well be almost all over. What a very sad way for it to all end.

[button-lip]

Pretty sure that's Richard on the right in the pool with Lindsey on the left.

Yeah, it looks like that's Lindsey.


'On the other side of things, I have heard from Mick and the rest of the band through Mick, that I am wanted at there last show of perhaps their touring lives'.


Sounds like it could very well be almost all over. What a very sad way for it to all end.

Well, their last show is in Vegas, so of course he's invited. He shouldn't go IMO. I mean, if he's such good friends (or whatever) with Lindsey, and he's apparently trying to re-establish a bond with him, he should decline. He shoud have never mentioned it in the first place, but of course he's trying to catch FM's fans attention. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[bombaysaffires]

Pretty sure that's Richard on the right in the pool with Lindsey on the left.

'On the other side of things, I have heard from Mick and the rest of the band through Mick, that I am wanted at there last show of perhaps their touring lives'.

Sounds like it could very well be almost all over. What a very sad way for it to all end.

Yeah, it looks like that's Lindsey.

Well, their last show is in Vegas, so of course he's invited. He shouldn't go IMO. I mean, if he's such good friends (or whatever) with Lindsey, and he's apparently trying to re-establish a bond with him, he should decline. He shoud have never mentioned it in the first place, but of course he's trying to catch FM's fans attention. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


holy crap you're right that does look like LB! That wet straight hair threw me, plus look how young!!

I don't know if he's right about their last show... I think button-lip might be on the right path that it's just another tantalizing bit of catnip put out to lure fans. :shrug::shrug:

[elle]

who is that in the pool with Richard? Though he said he wouldn't name the person who wrote that about him in their book, I'm wondering if the picture is a hint about who it was....

The only books I could think of beside Mick's from people closer to the band was Ray Lindsey's, but that's not him in the photo plus R reports he's working on his book with Ray, so, clearly wasn't him. (Plus I read Ray's book and have no recollection of him ever saying such things about Richard)... Edited to add that I forgot about Ken's book. I can't recall if he said negative stuff about Richard. Off the top of my head I don't remember anything like that....

It'll be interesting to see if any skeletons come out of any closets in the book. People seem to be treading carefully whilst band members are still alive. It can only get more interesting as time passes....

I hope if his book comes to light that Richard signs with a quality big publisher and they put a really good editor on it. Every writer needs someone to cut through the bloat.

doesn't Ken have a new book coming out, the one about Tusk? i know some people pre-ordered it and he gave some interviews or something about it.

[bombaysaffires]

maybe it was in that god-awful SN bio..... I was gifted it whenever it came out and haven't been able to bring myself to slog through it other than just flipping though a few pages, there were so many errors even from that.

[michelej1]

Richard had quibbles about the way Ken categorized things in his last book. I am not surprised if there will be a little friction with the new one.

[FuzzyPlum]

doesn't Ken have a new book coming out, the one about Tusk? i know some people pre-ordered it and he gave some interviews or something about it.

Yes, must be Kens new forthcoming book (with Hernan Rojas):

Get Tusked: The Inside Story on Fleetwood Mac's most Anticipated Album

Amazon Synopsis:

In this behind-the-scenes look at the making of Fleetwood Mac’s epic, platinum-selling double album, Tusk, producers and engineers Ken Caillat and Hernan Rojas tell their stories of spending a year with the band in their new million-dollar studio trying to follow up Rumours, the biggest rock album of the time. Following their massive success, the band continued its infamous soap opera when its musical leader and guitarist, Lindsey Buckingham, threatened to quit if he didn’t get things his way, resulting in clashes not only with his band but especially Caillat, who had been essential to the band’s Grammy-winning sound. Hernan Rojas’s story recounts a young man who leaves Chile after General Pinochet’s coup to seek his future in the music industry of Los Angeles, where he finds success at one of the hottest studios in town. When Fleetwood Mac arrives, Rojas falls in love with its star singer, Stevie Nicks, and the two of them become romantically involved. Throughout the book, both Caillat and Rojas detail not only the trials and sacrifices they made to finish the album, but also triumphs of musical inspiration and technical innovation that have made Tusk the darling of music critics and indie rockers today.



Well, I know what I'm getting for Christmas, if I can wait that long.
PS... Get Tusked: what a stupid name.
PPS... its a bit tacky the salacious bit about Rojas and Stevie is used as a tag to hook people into buying the book.
PPPS... I already get the feeling there'll be considerable negativity towards Lindsey in this book

[bombaysaffires]

Yes, must be Kens new forthcoming book (with Hernan Rojas):

Get Tusked: The Inside Story on Fleetwood Mac's most Anticipated Album

Amazon Synopsis:

In this behind-the-scenes look at the making of Fleetwood Mac’s epic, platinum-selling double album, Tusk, producers and engineers Ken Caillat and Hernan Rojas tell their stories of spending a year with the band in their new million-dollar studio trying to follow up Rumours, the biggest rock album of the time. Following their massive success, the band continued its infamous soap opera when its musical leader and guitarist, Lindsey Buckingham, threatened to quit if he didn’t get things his way, resulting in clashes not only with his band but especially Caillat, who had been essential to the band’s Grammy-winning sound. Hernan Rojas’s story recounts a young man who leaves Chile after General Pinochet’s coup to seek his future in the music industry of Los Angeles, where he finds success at one of the hottest studios in town. When Fleetwood Mac arrives, Rojas falls in love with its star singer, Stevie Nicks, and the two of them become romantically involved. Throughout the book, both Caillat and Rojas detail not only the trials and sacrifices they made to finish the album, but also triumphs of musical inspiration and technical innovation that have made Tusk the darling of music critics and indie rockers today.



Well, I know what I'm getting for Christmas, if I can wait that long.
PS... Get Tusked: what a stupid name.
PPS... its a bit tacky the salacious bit about Rojas and Stevie is used as a tag to hook people into buying the book.
PPPS... I already get the feeling there'll be considerable negativity towards Lindsey in this book

Yep. Sure, they were both there and can recount direct interactions, but Hernan was clearly in Stevie's camp, and it would appear he still is. He gave an interview back after SYW came out and said the song Destiny Rules was about him, per Stevie. :shrug: If so, he won't want to fall out of her good graces by painting a picture different to hers.....

I don't think any real honest reports of what went on can come out while the key players are still alive. And by the time they're not, neither will the people who were there...:eek: And you know Her Royal Highness will outlive them all.

[David]

I don't think any real honest reports of what went on can come out while the key players are still alive.I wonder whether any of these cats — inside the band or out — can remember much more of what went down than what they’ve already aired the last twenty years. Drug use + old age = bad memories. In the studio, the engineers were supposed to have notated everything very carefully: track data, instrumentation, dates, and so on. But it still gets jumbled up and spit out wrong in our various reissues (“It says here there’s a clavinet on Songbird.” No, there isn’t—somebody was high.)

Somebody writes that Lindsey threw a Les Paul at Stevie in New Zealand in 1980. But Lindsey doesn’t even remember enough to respond: “I wasn’t touring with a Les Paul in 1980. Your claim is a result of your brain on acid. Or perhaps it was projection: you wish I had thrown something heavy and electronic at her.”

Even Stevie is supposed to have journaled everything in her multivolume diary. Yet she can’t even remember why she wrote Sisters of the Moon, according to the Tusk deluxe.

It’s sweet seeing all the lovely little Polaroids Richard Dashut is posting. But why are they all dated “sometime in the 1970s”? Uh, d’uh.

No, I think these cats are finished with their stories. They may continue to share stories, but they’re probably concocting or free-associating. I think this band should can the books and just release old concerts. Old recordings never forget and never lie.

[bombaysaffires]

I wonder whether any of these cats — inside the band or out — can remember much more of what went down than what they’ve already aired the last twenty years. Drug use + old age = bad memories. In the studio, the engineers were supposed to have notated everything very carefully: track data, instrumentation, dates, and so on. But it still gets jumbled up and spit out wrong in our various reissues (“It says here there’s a clavinet on Songbird.” No, there isn’t—somebody was high.)

Somebody writes that Lindsey threw a Les Paul at Stevie in New Zealand in 1980. But Lindsey doesn’t even remember enough to respond: “I wasn’t touring with a Les Paul in 1980. Your claim is a result of your brain on acid. Or perhaps it was projection: you wish I had thrown something heavy and electronic at her.”

Even Stevie is supposed to have journaled everything in her multivolume diary. Yet she can’t even remember why she wrote Sisters of the Moon, according to the Tusk deluxe.

It’s sweet seeing all the lovely little Polaroids Richard Dashut is posting. But why are they all dated “sometime in the 1970s”? Uh, d’uh.

No, I think these cats are finished with their stories. They may continue to share stories, but they’re probably concocting or free-associating. I think this band should can the books and just release old concerts. Old recordings never forget and never lie.

that's the problem.... the aforementioned drug problems/alcoholism sure show up in many of those recordings ... unless you spend months in the studio sweetening them up and re recording stuff. :mad:

You may be right in terms of the studio guys and their stories, but I'm sure there is soooo much dirt that remains untold. These people are not nice a lot of the time, and we've seen some glimpses of it in tales of what happened to people like Bob or Judy and in the way someone like Richard was (IMHO) ghosted for a long time by these people. And there was time when if you look closely at pics of Stevie (mostly like the 90s I think) where whenever she's out in public there are people next to her holding her up....when she wasn't doing really smart things like giving her full dose of Klonopin to Glenn to see what would happen...

I just think there's so much sordid, vile behavior with these people and I'm not sitting here waiting for it to be told, rather I just can't help but wonder how many secrets their entourage is keeping and when some one of them will decide to sell their true story. Maybe for the Netflix series...;)

[michelej1]

Lori and Sharon will never speak out. It doesn’t matter whether Stevie is alive or dead. They will be loyal to her. I don’t know about Stevie‘s niece.

Now, Waddy might. But he is going to wait till he is 100% positive that Stevie can’t tour anymore before he says anything. And she will probably outlive him anyway.

I wonder whether any of these cats — inside the band or out — can remember much more of what went down than what they’ve already aired the last twenty years. Drug use + old age = bad memories. In the studio, the engineers were supposed to have notated everything very carefully: track data, instrumentation, dates, and so on. But it still gets jumbled up and spit out wrong in our various reissues (“It says here there’s a clavinet on Songbird.” No, there isn’t—somebody was high.)

Somebody writes that Lindsey threw a Les Paul at Stevie in New Zealand in 1980. But Lindsey doesn’t even remember enough to respond: “I wasn’t touring with a Les Paul in 1980. Your claim is a result of your brain on acid. Or perhaps it was projection: you wish I had thrown something heavy and electronic at her.”

Even Stevie is supposed to have journaled everything in her multivolume diary. Yet she can’t even remember why she wrote Sisters of the Moon, according to the Tusk deluxe.

It’s sweet seeing all the lovely little Polaroids Richard Dashut is posting. But why are they all dated “sometime in the 1970s”? Uh, d’uh.

No, I think these cats are finished with their stories. They may continue to share stories, but they’re probably concocting or free-associating. I think this band should can the books and just release old concerts. Old recordings never forget and never lie.

As has been pointed out before about that guitar throwing: everyone remembered that Lindsey did something to Stevie. But they could not remember exactly what. Stevie thought that Lindsey flicked his foot at her. This is what they said first, when they first spoke of the drama. Then all of a sudden, years later, she thought of the guitar throwing. I don’t think her memory improved over time. So what she said last is not the most accurate version of events to me.

I don’t doubt that Lindsey has thrown a guitar at her at some point, but I do not think it was while they were on tour in New Zealand. I do not think that it almost hit her and she ducked like a ninja, like she now claims.

I only say that he probably did throw a guitar at her some time because at one point they are in a joint print interview (Mojo?) and an unspecified Macster that I assume is Stevie says: “remember when you threw that Les Paul at me?” And he doesn’t say anything. At least he doesn’t say anything that the reporter writes down. So I guess he knows he must’ve thrown a guitar at her some time. But I doubt it was during a show, in New Zealand or during any concert.

[David]

As has been pointed out before about that guitar throwing: everyone remembered that Lindsey did something to Stevie. But they could not remember exactly what. Stevie thought that Lindsey flicked his foot at her. This is what they said first, when they first spoke of the drama. Then all of a sudden, years later, she thought of the guitar throwing. I don’t think her memory improved over time. So what she said last is not the most accurate version of events to me.

I don’t doubt that Lindsey has thrown a guitar at her at some point, but I do not think it was while they were on tour in New Zealand. I do not think that it almost hit her and she ducked like a ninja, like she now claims.I just thought of the episode with Jesse and Darcy and the Loubiton missile throw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w0yb4Xjym8), and now I’m just sweating laughter.

Mick made the claim first — and now methinks the shoe is on the other foot.

[desertangel]

Good grief!! I’m giving up on this thread... I’ve been reading it for two days in an effort to get up to speed on RD, but what a bloody SLOG- FEST.:]:]:]:xoxo::xoxo:

[bombaysaffires]

Lori and Sharon will never speak out. It doesn’t matter whether Stevie is alive or dead. They will be loyal to her. I don’t know about Stevie‘s niece.

Now, Waddy might. But he is going to wait till he is 100% positive that Stevie can’t tour anymore before he says anything. And she will probably outlive him anyway.



As has been pointed out before about that guitar throwing: everyone remembered that Lindsey did something to Stevie. But they could not remember exactly what. Stevie thought that Lindsey flicked his foot at her. This is what they said first, when they first spoke of the drama. Then all of a sudden, years later, she thought of the guitar throwing. I don’t think her memory improved over time. So what she said last is not the most accurate version of events to me.

I don’t doubt that Lindsey has thrown a guitar at her at some point, but I do not think it was while they were on tour in New Zealand. I do not think that it almost hit her and she ducked like a ninja, like she now claims.

I only say that he probably did throw a guitar at her some time because at one point they are in a joint print interview (Mojo?) and an unspecified Macster that I assume is Stevie says: “remember when you threw that Les Paul at me?” And he doesn’t say anything. At least he doesn’t say anything that the reporter writes down. So I guess he knows he must’ve thrown a guitar at her some time. But I doubt it was during a show, in New Zealand or during any concert.

well that right there limits the timeline and would have put it well before the Tusk tour. I'm sure there are those here who can pinpoint better than I when LB stopped playing a Les Paul on tour.... There are promo films of him playing the white Les Paul on Dreams if I recall, but how much he played one on the actual tour I don't know...:shrug: So if there was Les Paul throwing that would make me think it was mid 70s :shrug:

[Kyle]

As has been pointed out before about that guitar throwing: everyone remembered that Lindsey did something to Stevie. But they could not remember exactly what. Stevie thought that Lindsey flicked his foot at her. This is what they said first, when they first spoke of the drama. Then all of a sudden, years later, she thought of the guitar throwing. I donÂ’t think her memory improved over time. So what she said last is not the most accurate version of events to me.


I don't believe Lindsey kicked Stevie. I suspect Lindsey was trying to trip Stevie. He was drunk and
probably though it was hilarious. If I remember correctly, Lindsey intentionally played out of tune at this same concert. When Christine slapped Lindsey after the concert, it was probably for his overall behavior and not for kicking Stevie.

Stevie seems to have a tendency to add other people's stories to her own. One example would be the time she said she shot baskets with Prince, in his high heels, after recording Stand Back.

I doubt seriously that Lindsey would have thrown a Les Paul at Stevie. If it had hit her it could have caused major injuries. She may have 'borrowed' elements of two stories. Stevie hung out with Heart for a while. Nancy Wilson's boyfriend Roger Fisher once threw a piece of a guitar at her. It almost hit her head. It seems possible that Stevie may have liked this story and added it to her own. Wasn't it a black Les Paul that Danny Kirwan smashed?

[Villavic]

This is what Mick wrote in his first book about the New Zealand episode. No throwing guitar is mentioned but he did mention "kick". Well, is it reliable? I don't know. At the 2014 Meet and Greet in NJ, Mick admited it wasn't the best of his time when he wrote that book. He hinted that he didn't use to be enough sober those days, or something like that. But sure something did happen that night:

In mid-March we flew off to New Zealand to play in front of sixty thousand fans in Auckland. The show also went out live over the radio to the rest of the country. By then, the exhaustion of constant travel began to set in, and we were all pretty brainfried. Lindsey hit the old scotch bottle a little too hard before the concert, and halfway through the performance he snapped like a guitar string tuned ten octaves too high.
First I noticed that he was playing out of tune. Then he started to clown around and mimic Stevie while she was dancing around the stage. Then, while she was hunched over, upstage of Lindsey, during her "Rhiannon" performance, he stopped playing and pulled his jacket over his head in a grotesque imitation of her pose. At that point he lost all control, playing anything except "Rhiannon," laughing like a madman. Then he started to kick Stevie while she was trying to salvage the number. Sixty thousand people were watching! Lindsey would flick his foot at her and Stevie would shy away, trying to cover up his stoned-out behavior to save us all from dying of embarrassment. The rest of the band could only look at each other in disbelief.

The show finally over, we stumbled into the stadium's rugby changing rooms, where we were dressing. There would be no encore that night:
we were all freaked out. I could hear the crowd screaming for more as Christine McVie stormed into the room, utterly hell-bent, and made straight for Mr. Buckingham, who was slumped miserably on a bench. Lindsey stood up, and Chris smacked him crack! right in the face. Then she threw her drink at him for good measure. "Don't you ever do this to this band again," she shouted. "Ever! Is that clear?" Then she stormed out again.

[bombaysaffires]

This is what Mick wrote in his first book about the New Zealand episode. No throwing guitar is mentioned but he did mention "kick". Well, is it reliable? I don't know. At the 2014 Meet and Greet in NJ, Mick admited it wasn't the best of his time when he wrote that book. He hinted that he didn't use to be enough sober those days, or something like that. But sure something did happen that night:

In mid-March we flew off to New Zealand to play in front of sixty thousand fans in Auckland. The show also went out live over the radio to the rest of the country. By then, the exhaustion of constant travel began to set in, and we were all pretty brainfried. Lindsey hit the old scotch bottle a little too hard before the concert, and halfway through the performance he snapped like a guitar string tuned ten octaves too high.
First I noticed that he was playing out of tune. Then he started to clown around and mimic Stevie while she was dancing around the stage. Then, while she was hunched over, upstage of Lindsey, during her "Rhiannon" performance, he stopped playing and pulled his jacket over his head in a grotesque imitation of her pose. At that point he lost all control, playing anything except "Rhiannon," laughing like a madman. Then he started to kick Stevie while she was trying to salvage the number. Sixty thousand people were watching! Lindsey would flick his foot at her and Stevie would shy away, trying to cover up his stoned-out behavior to save us all from dying of embarrassment. The rest of the band could only look at each other in disbelief.

The show finally over, we stumbled into the stadium's rugby changing rooms, where we were dressing. There would be no encore that night:
we were all freaked out. I could hear the crowd screaming for more as Christine McVie stormed into the room, utterly hell-bent, and made straight for Mr. Buckingham, who was slumped miserably on a bench. Lindsey stood up, and Chris smacked him crack! right in the face. Then she threw her drink at him for good measure. "Don't you ever do this to this band again," she shouted. "Ever! Is that clear?" Then she stormed out again.

exactly, and this is a FAR cry from the story that it has morphed into. She did recently say something about when he wanted to make her mad he would mimic her.
Someone is exaggerating/mis remembering something.......

[HomerMcvie]

This is what Mick wrote in his first book about the New Zealand episode. No throwing guitar is mentioned but he did mention "kick". Well, is it reliable? I don't know. At the 2014 Meet and Greet in NJ, Mick admited it wasn't the best of his time when he wrote that book. He hinted that he didn't use to be enough sober those days, or something like that. But sure something did happen that night:

In mid-March we flew off to New Zealand to play in front of sixty thousand fans in Auckland. The show also went out live over the radio to the rest of the country. By then, the exhaustion of constant travel began to set in, and we were all pretty brainfried. Lindsey hit the old scotch bottle a little too hard before the concert, and halfway through the performance he snapped like a guitar string tuned ten octaves too high.
First I noticed that he was playing out of tune. Then he started to clown around and mimic Stevie while she was dancing around the stage. Then, while she was hunched over, upstage of Lindsey, during her "Rhiannon" performance, he stopped playing and pulled his jacket over his head in a grotesque imitation of her pose. At that point he lost all control, playing anything except "Rhiannon," laughing like a madman. Then he started to kick Stevie while she was trying to salvage the number. Sixty thousand people were watching! Lindsey would flick his foot at her and Stevie would shy away, trying to cover up his stoned-out behavior to save us all from dying of embarrassment. The rest of the band could only look at each other in disbelief.

The show finally over, we stumbled into the stadium's rugby changing rooms, where we were dressing. There would be no encore that night:
we were all freaked out. I could hear the crowd screaming for more as Christine McVie stormed into the room, utterly hell-bent, and made straight for Mr. Buckingham, who was slumped miserably on a bench. Lindsey stood up, and Chris smacked him crack! right in the face. Then she threw her drink at him for good measure. "Don't you ever do this to this band again," she shouted. "Ever! Is that clear?" Then she stormed out again.
I used to believe this, but idk now. Mick is a god damned liar, a money whore, and a loser in general. They've lost all credibility with me.

That said, I can see the old goat for free tomorrow(nye, in Nashville). I might go heckle her, dangling a carrot....:laugh: