This place is hopping! [Archive]

blinker12

05-19-2005, 03:07 AM

LiquidBlue5000

05-19-2005, 03:13 AM

I just wanted to say, in the four years since I joined the Stevie board, I have never seen it so active, not even in the weeks leading up to TISL's release. There are regularly 30-40 people logged on, and more posts than you can shake a stick at.
Despite the fact that people seem disappointed by Stevie's Vegas set list, something about these shows seems to have appealed to people's imaginations!
Maybe it's partly because everyone's banded together in an unprecedented way to share info about the shows and the upcoming tour -- along with MP3s and videos... It's all very cool... :thumbsup:

hey, look what the cat dragged in ;)

yeah, there's so much traffic on this board, i can hardly keep up... it's very cool... but there always seems to be something going on with this woman these days.. first the Vegas thing, now the "Gold Dust Tour"... what next? a new album, perhaps?? and then what, another tour?? :woohoo:

it's a good time to be a Stevie fan :nod:

desertangel

05-19-2005, 03:54 AM

I just wanted to say, in the four years since I joined the Stevie board, I have never seen it so active, not even in the weeks leading up to TISL's release. There are regularly 30-40 people logged on, and more posts than you can shake a stick at.
Despite the fact that people seem disappointed by Stevie's Vegas set list, something about these shows seems to have appealed to people's imaginations!
Maybe it's partly because everyone's banded together in an unprecedented way to share info about the shows and the upcoming tour -- along with MP3s and videos... It's all very cool... :thumbsup:

I think it has something to do with the fact that we were all in the SAME TOWN together, many of us on the same night and seeing each other face to face for the first time. When it's something like a SYW or TISL tour, it's fragmented across many cities and several weeks/months apart. It's no surprise to me there is a sense of unity on the board right now. And might I ADD... the NICKS FORUM in particular! :lol: :lol:

Laura

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 09:32 AM

hey, look what the cat dragged in ;)

yeah, there's so much traffic on this board, i can hardly keep up... it's very cool... but there always seems to be something going on with this woman these days.. first the Vegas thing, now the "Gold Dust Tour"... what next? a new album, perhaps?? and then what, another tour?? :woohoo:

it's a good time to be a Stevie fan :nod:

Yes it is, she's on frikkin' fire! Thanks for sharing your stuff. :D

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 09:52 AM

I just wanted to say, in the four years since I joined the Stevie board, I have never seen it so active, not even in the weeks leading up to TISL's release. There are regularly 30-40 people logged on, and more posts than you can shake a stick at.
Despite the fact that people seem disappointed by Stevie's Vegas set list, something about these shows seems to have appealed to people's imaginations!
Maybe it's partly because everyone's banded together in an unprecedented way to share info about the shows and the upcoming tour -- along with MP3s and videos... It's all very cool... :thumbsup:

I agree--also I think since people have heard the audios, saw the videos, and read the reviews and stuff...many...not ALL...but many are not as disappointed with the set list, because she really seemed to make it work and have fun with it

Chris

catinthedark

05-19-2005, 10:20 AM

I agree--also I think since people have heard the audios, saw the videos, and read the reviews and stuff...many...not ALL...but many are not as disappointed with the set list, because she really seemed to make it work and have fun with it

Chris

Yup - I'm one of those. Was disappointed - not so much anymore. :) Was so happy to hear everyone had a great time - and the boots have been unreal. Don't get me started on how fabulous her voice is sounding...

GardenStateGirlie

05-19-2005, 10:20 AM

The place is swarming with chiffon. I've not felt so out of place on the Ledge since I last did. It's slightly intimidating actually. In a mass of like-minds, the chiffon threatens to take on a life of its own and suffocate Lindsey's henchmen.

Hi, I'm Marissa and i'm still in love with Lindsey Buckingham ;)

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 10:57 AM

Hmmm, still no easier to breathe.

Um, respecfully Lux, what are you doing in the Stevie section anyway? :wavey: :laugh:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 10:59 AM

The place is swarming with chiffon. I've not felt so out of place on the Ledge since I last did. It's slightly intimidating actually. In a mass of like-minds, the chiffon threatens to take on a life of its own and suffocate Lindsey's henchmen.You have only yourself to blame for venturing into Stevie territory. :laugh: :p :xoxo:

dissention

05-19-2005, 11:10 AM

This place is hopping with SCUMBAG BOOTLEGGERS. I suggest a delousing is in order.

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:12 AM

This place is hopping with SCUMBAG BOOTLEGGERS. I suggest a delousing is in order.:lol::lol::lol:

dissention

05-19-2005, 11:18 AM

:lol::lol::lol:

Don't look at me with that grin, you cockadoodie. You've stolen her songs, her masterpieces, HER BABIES. For that, you will never be forgiven. Not in my eyes, you scumbag.

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:18 AM

Do pardon me, I was under the impression that we were allowed to enter as we wish. I had to take a peek to see what it's all about but actually the chiffon parade has not been restricted to this purple palace, hence the sensation of being cornered everywhere I turn.No, you need a signed consent form to enter the Chiffon Palace. ;)

(Or you at least have to know that "Gate and Garden" is actually a Stevie Nicks song!) :laugh:

:xoxo: :xoxo:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:20 AM

Don't look at me with that grin, you cockadoodie. You've stolen her songs, her masterpieces, HER BABIES. For that, you will never be forgiven. Not in my eyes, you scumbag.And how are you not going to rot in jail and eventually hell with me? :D

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 11:21 AM

So the Lindsey board is swarming in chiffon also?? Wow, kind of impressive

Chris

dissention

05-19-2005, 11:23 AM

And how are you not going to rot in jail and eventually hell with me? :D

Oh, I most certainly will. My bootleg stealing days are over and as punishment, I will be forced to jog through the bowels of Hell wearing a pair of gasoline-soaked undies while breastfeeding Gary Coleman.

"To me, it's the only life that I'll ever know..."

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:23 AM

So the Lindsey board is swarming in chiffon also?? Wow, kind of impressive

Chris:laugh: The Lindsey board is totally being neglected. Not that that's anything new. But no one ever answered my question on there about who's doing back-up on "She Smiled Sweetly."

OH WAIT! THAT WAS STOLEN!!! :laugh::lol:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:25 AM

Oh, I most certainly will. My bootleg stealing days are over and as punishment, I will be forced to jog through the bowels of wearing a pair of gasoline-soaked undies while breastfeeding Gary Coleman.

"To me, it's the only life that I'll ever know..."Uh, and how are you going to breastfeed anyone? :shocked: (Is there something I don't know?)

dissention

05-19-2005, 11:27 AM

Oh bleh. Excrement on you all!

You'd be appalled to know that I'd never heard of Beauty and The Beast until people started talking about it in relation to that recent interview. I feel like I'm being completely swallowed here so I downloaded it to atleast say I'd heard it. I've basically come to observe how it all works over here.

:laugh:

I liked Beauty and the Beast a helluva lot, but if you want to spew, download If Anyone Falls.

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:27 AM

Oh bleh. Excrement on you all!

You'd be appalled to know that I'd never heard of Beauty and The Beast until people started talking about it in relation to that recent interview. I feel like I'm being completely swallowed here so I downloaded it to atleast say I'd heard it. I've basically come to observe how it all works over here.I haven't bothered to download the Vegas bootleg of B&B because I'm not that wild about the song. :shrug: As incomprehensible as that is to many. But, once again, I love "Only Over You"! :laugh::lol:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:28 AM

:laugh:

I liked Beauty and the Beast a helluva lot, but if you want to spew, download If Anyone Falls.I love "If Anyone Falls"! Now, I'm not sure about "If Anyone Falls" live. :shrug:

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 11:31 AM

:laugh: The Lindsey board is totally being neglected. Not that that's anything new. But no one ever answered my question on there about who's doing back-up on "She Smiled Sweetly."

OH WAIT! THAT WAS STOLEN!!! :laugh::lol:

I think maybe the Lindsey fans have converted to "chiffon heads"--Lux will be converted sooner than later

Chris

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 11:35 AM

I think maybe the Lindsey fans have converted to "chiffon heads"--Lux will be converted sooner than later

ChrisOh, how I wish! :laugh: Lux, come join our camp! You don't have to leave Lindsey's! You can have dual memberships! :woohoo:

dissention

05-19-2005, 11:35 AM

I love "If Anyone Falls"! Now, I'm not sure about "If Anyone Falls" live. :shrug:

The live one is the one I'm talking about. :eek: I love all of the other ones I downloaded, but that one? YIKES.

estranged4life

05-19-2005, 11:47 AM

This place is hopping with SCUMBAG BOOTLEGGERS. I suggest a delousing is in order.

I guess eveyone will need to be deloused then :thumbsup:

GODDESS6

05-19-2005, 11:47 AM

I guess eveyone will need to be deloused then :thumbsup:
:D :wavey: :thumbsup: :D

koop1975

05-19-2005, 11:48 AM

You'll never take me. You may watch them fall but even if I am the last, I shall remain free from the fabric.

You won't be the last. I'll be there with you.

What is Stevie Nicks without Lindsey Buckingham?

A waitress.

The brutal truth, folks.

:laugh:

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 11:49 AM

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 11:50 AM

You won't be the last. I'll be there with you.

What is Stevie Nicks without Lindsey Buckingham?

A waitress.

The brutal truth, folks.

:laugh:

And Lindsey without Stevie? Umm playing at 400 seater clubs

Chris

koop1975

05-19-2005, 11:51 AM

I think the Lindsey board is quiet right now because everyone got reported for peaking at that demo on Ebay-- One of those people with "connections" to Lindsey's camp is calling his management right now...

Chris
That's funny. If he'd just quit being a baby and make another album already, maybe we wouldn't be so desparate.

koop1975

05-19-2005, 11:52 AM

And Lindsey without Stevie? Umm playing at 400 seater clubs

Chris
True enough. I never said they didn't need each other. ;)

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 11:54 AM

True enough. I never said they didn't need each other. ;)

Well they do compliment eachother well---but Stevie sure won't be playing in any smokey bars this summer

Chris

koop1975

05-19-2005, 11:59 AM

Well they do compliment eachother well---but Stevie sure won't be playing in any smokey bars this summer

Chris
Will Lindsey be playing in some smokey bars? If so, I'm totally there.

Kind of fitting, really. I mean, he is an 'artist of integrity' after all. Stevie takes the Vegas gig, Lindsey goes out and tours for the fans at reasonable prices. That'd be awesome.

But that's not what's going on. More likely, he's enjoying being a dad, making another record (that will be available eventually) and all the money he didn't blow on cocaine in the 80's. :laugh:

Patti

05-19-2005, 12:01 PM

Well they do compliment eachother well---but Stevie sure won't be playing in any smokey bars this summer

Chris

Unfortunately, Lindsey apparently won't be either. :laugh:

LeighB04

05-19-2005, 12:02 PM

Oh Lindsay - in your dreams....

stevie.bmp

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 12:03 PM

Kind of fitting, really. I mean, he is an 'artist of integrity' after all. Stevie takes the Vegas gig, Lindsey goes out and tours for the fans at reasonable prices. That'd be awesome.

Just like he did on the Fleetwood Mac 2003-04 World Tour right? Gotta love those reasonable prices--although I'm SURE those prices were all because of Mick and Stevie, I'm sure John and Lindsey only got 50 bucks a night! lol

LeighB04

05-19-2005, 12:03 PM

well, that didn't work - dumb compooter

koop1975

05-19-2005, 12:05 PM

Just like he did on the Fleetwood Mac 2003-04 World Tour right? Gotta love those reasonable prices--although I'm SURE those prices were all because of Mick and Stevie, I'm sure John and Lindsey only got 50 bucks a night! lol

Right right. I was just making a comment about the whole 'smokey bars' prospect. It'd be nice. But as you also point out - ain't happening.

koop1975

05-19-2005, 12:07 PM

Just like he did on the Fleetwood Mac 2003-04 World Tour right? Gotta love those reasonable prices--although I'm SURE those prices were all because of Mick and Stevie, I'm sure John and Lindsey only got 50 bucks a night! lol

And by the way, 50$? Where'd you find tickets that cheap? I spent 115$ in Nashville in '03. When they came back in '04, I got FREE tickets (comp'ed to my employer) in the gen ad section. That was sweet. Outside. And it started raining right in the middle of I'm So Afraid. Good times...

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 12:08 PM

Right right. I was just making a comment about the whole 'smokey bars' prospect. It'd be nice. But as you also point out - ain't happening.

Well if the OOTC Lindsey tour is any indication--if a Lindsey tour does happen, I'm sure he wont be playing Jones Beach or anything... (which is fine for me, I like intimate settings anyway just as much)---

Chris

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 12:09 PM

And by the way, 50$? Where'd you find tickets that cheap? I spent 115$ in Nashville in '03. When they came back in '04, I got FREE tickets (comp'ed to my employer) in the gen ad section. That was sweet. Outside. And it started raining right in the middle of I'm So Afraid. Good times...

I was saying Lindsey and John were sure not MAKING 50 bucks a night, while everyone else was rolling in cash

Chris

LeighB04

05-19-2005, 12:12 PM

You won't be the last. I'll be there with you.

What is Stevie Nicks without Lindsey Buckingham?

A waitress.

The brutal truth, folks.

:laugh:

Aah, but those drinks she was delivering in Vegas made me happier than a bottle of scotch anytime... ;)

koop1975

05-19-2005, 12:13 PM

I was saying Lindsey and John were sure not MAKING 50 bucks a night, while everyone else was rolling in cash

Chris

Ooops! HA! Read, Paul, read! :o

dissention

05-19-2005, 12:14 PM

Well they do compliment eachother well---but Stevie sure won't be playing in any smokey bars this summer

Chris

She won't exactly be selling out shows, either.

koop1975

05-19-2005, 12:15 PM

Aah, but those drinks she was delivering in Vegas made me happier than a bottle of scotch anytime... ;)
Scotch, perhaps. But Gin? I may prefer a martini to "edge of seventeen." Depends on the night, I guess.

ELIUD

05-19-2005, 12:18 PM

I love Stevie Nicks, I love Lindsey Buckingham. Either one of these artists would play to the biggest crowd they could sell tickets to without any issues of integrity or lack thereof. The fact that Lindsey was instrumental in getting Stevie hired by Fleetwood Mac and then shot to superstardom doesn't wipe out any talent she had then or does today. A big part of the magic of the Buckingham/Nicks union is their history together and tiny little twists of fate that brought them into the spotlight. We know and love them because they loved each other enough to not abandon their dreams when things were stacked against them.

A waitress? A bitter frustrated artist? Either one of them probably spends their time better than those who fued on internet forums about which rock star millionaire deserves to be worshipped.

koop1975

05-19-2005, 12:22 PM

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 12:30 PM

True enough. I never said they didn't need each other. ;)I don't think either one of them needs the other. :shrug: But I think they go together well. I'll take either one solo. :shrug:

amber

05-19-2005, 12:35 PM

I don't think either one of them needs the other. :shrug: But I think they go together well. I'll take either one solo. :shrug:

I just want to say, I can't believe you haven't watched the BATB video. Even if you don't like the song, it's totally stunning. You? Are missing out! :wavey:

GypsySorcerer

05-19-2005, 12:36 PM

I just want to say, I can't believe you haven't watched the BATB video. Even if you don't like the song, it's totally stunning. You? Are missing out! :wavey:

Ditto. BATB is one of my favorites, and that version is killer. :nod:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 12:37 PM

I just want to say, I can't believe you haven't watched the BATB video. Even if you don't like the song, it's totally stunning. You? Are missing out! :wavey:Well, the only place I know of where it's up is Nancy's site and for whatever reason my computer won't support that type of file. :shrug:

CreepingDeath

05-19-2005, 12:37 PM

I love "If Anyone Falls"! Now, I'm not sure about "If Anyone Falls" live. :shrug:

Ah, but if you would have scene it live, you would've been salivating, dear.

koop1975

05-19-2005, 12:37 PM

I don't think either one of them needs the other. :shrug: But I think they go together well. I'll take either one solo. :shrug:

Hmm. I know you're not alone. Personally, I dig Lindsey's solo stuff, and I like Stevie with Fleetwood Mac. Stevie's solo stuff, not so much.

I was a late convert, though. A college buddy went to see a show in "The Dance" tour, and I ragged him for it. All I knew of FM was 'dreams,' 'landslide,' 'rhiannon,' etc. I didn't even know songs like 'go your own way' or 'don't stop' were FM, because I had associated FM with Stevie. I wasn't a big fan (although I came to truly love her contributions to Tusk later). My buddy shakes his head and says "Dude, you don't even know..." and gives me a copy of 'The Dance.' So I'm a fan now, primarily because I love listening to Lindsey play guitar. But I'm a guitar player, so I guess that makes sense.

Anyhow, I don't really mean to disparage Stevie's contributions. I'm just not into it. I also have some doubts as to how far she would have gotten without Lindsey or FM, but she did have some things going on for her, musically.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 12:38 PM

Ah, but if you would have scene it live, you would've been salivating, dear.

I have not heard her do an a capella three part harmony in YEARS - much less with that precision. It was great and I loved it.

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 12:48 PM

Well, the only place I know of where it's up is Nancy's site and for whatever reason my computer won't support that type of file. :shrug:

You need Real Player which you can download for free at http://www.real.com

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 12:53 PM

Hmm. I know you're not alone. Personally, I dig Lindsey's solo stuff, and I like Stevie with Fleetwood Mac. Stevie's solo stuff, not so much.

I was a late convert, though. A college buddy went to see a show in "The Dance" tour, and I ragged him for it. All I knew of FM was 'dreams,' 'landslide,' 'rhiannon,' etc. I didn't even know songs like 'go your own way' or 'don't stop' were FM, because I had associated FM with Stevie. I wasn't a big fan (although I came to truly love her contributions to Tusk later). My buddy shakes his head and says "Dude, you don't even know..." and gives me a copy of 'The Dance.' So I'm a fan now, primarily because I love listening to Lindsey play guitar. But I'm a guitar player, so I guess that makes sense.

Anyhow, I don't really mean to disparage Stevie's contributions. I'm just not into it. I also have some doubts as to how far she would have gotten without Lindsey or FM, but she did have some things going on for her, musically.
Well, yeah, it's a matter of personal taste. But as for how far she would've gotten without Lindsey in the first place, I have to agree with you. I'm not sure she would've gotten to be famous without Lindsey in the beginning. She has talent by herself but it was the "packaged deal" in the beginning that got her going. Without him, she may not have captivated so many and attained the level of stardom she enjoys (and still enjoys, though not so much). I don't think "Gypsy" is so spectacular without Lindsey, but I don't feel that all of her songs need his playing and production.

Of course, whether or not she has the talent to go on without him and whether or not she can gain popularity with the masses are two different issues, though you pretty much said that. I guess I'm just rehashing what you already said, so I'll stop now. :laugh:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 12:54 PM

You need Real Player which you can download for free at http://www.real.comThanks! I'm downloading it right now. :)

GypsySorcerer

05-19-2005, 01:03 PM

Thanks! I'm downloading it right now. :)

Let us know what you think. :nod: :wavey:

amber

05-19-2005, 01:09 PM

Well, yeah, it's a matter of personal taste. But as for how far she would've gotten without Lindsey in the first place, I have to agree with you. I'm not sure she would've gotten to be famous without Lindsey in the beginning. She has talent by herself but it was the "packaged deal" in the beginning that got her going. Without him, she may not have captivated so many and attained the level of stardom she enjoys (and still enjoys, though not so much). I don't think "Gypsy" is so spectacular without Lindsey, but I don't feel that all of her songs need his playing and production.

Of course, whether or not she has the talent to go on without him and whether or not she can gain popularity with the masses are two different issues, though you pretty much said that. I guess I'm just rehashing what you already said, so I'll stop now. :laugh:
On the other side of the coin, though, she's always struck me as the more ambitious and networky one. I, personally, think she would have been famous either way, though I'm almost positive her songs wouldn't have been as killer without Lindsey. But, yeah, I think she was much more skilled at the whole "getting/being famous, talking to the right people" thing.

dissention

05-19-2005, 01:10 PM

On the other side of the coin, though, she's always struck me as the more ambitious and networky one. I, personally, think she would have been famous either way, though I'm almost positive her songs wouldn't have been as killer without Lindsey. But, yeah, I think she was much more skilled at the whole "getting/being famous, talking to the right people" thing.

Most definitely. Her hooking up with Lindsey is proof enough of that. :laugh:

amber

05-19-2005, 01:14 PM

Most definitely. Her hooking up with Lindsey is proof enough of that. :laugh:
He hooked up with her, if I've got my story right. ;) I think he knew that she could sell the **** outta him/them. Plus, she was hot. But, yeah, deigning to date Linds was certainly not the dumbest move she ever made... :laugh:
"Remembering her and her distinctive voice, Lindsey asked her to join the band he was playing in, Fritz..."

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 01:16 PM

Most definitely. Her hooking up with Lindsey is proof enough of that. :laugh:

Because he was going somewhere real fast :rolleyes:

I think you like to make it sound like LB was on the plane to stardom and Stevie was running behind him screaming "YOU KNOW I HAVE NO TALENT TAKE ME WITH YOU" :laugh: That is just not true. They went together and happily so according to both. yet, you always make it sound like Stevie was just some random hang on gal in LB's way and she was merely fortutious to have met him. I think that is misleading and untrue. I mean even LB said they were a "package deal." By that he could have meant "I need her because of her songs, talent, etc." Yet, you never say that :shrug: Moreover, it is mostly because of her ambition that Mick noticed them :shrug: I believe she was the one who said let's move to Calif. - though I think in the end it was a mutual decision.

koop1975

05-19-2005, 01:20 PM

Most definitely. Her hooking up with Lindsey is proof enough of that. :laugh:

Good point. Don't sell Lindsey short in that regard, though. He also recognized enough in her to realize that she would have a special appeal, and was worth taking along. And whether by coincidence or design, I think they owe a lot of success to walking that thin line between sell-out and integrity, and playing that up for all it was worth.

That, and they just sounded right together.

amber

05-19-2005, 01:21 PM

Because he was going somewhere real fast :rolleyes:

I think you like to make it sound like LB was on the plane to stardom and Stevie was running behind him screaming "YOU KNOW I HAVE NO TALENT TAKE ME WITH YOU" :laugh: That is just not true. They went together and happily so according to both. yet, you always make it sound like Stevie was just some random hang on gal in LB's way and she was merely fortutious to have met him. I think that is misleading and untrue. I mean even LB said they were a "package deal." By that he could have meant "I need her because of her songs, talent, etc." Yet, you never say that :shrug: Moreover, it is mostly because of her ambition that Mick noticed them :shrug: I believe she was the one who said let's move to Calif. - though I think in the end it was a mutual decision.
Actually, as I stated above, he asked her to join his band. :)

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 01:23 PM

She won't exactly be selling out shows, either.

Maybe not...but she draws a decent crowd on her own..also depends on where she plays and how they are set up...As we all know she always sells well in Atlanta..

Chris

koop1975

05-19-2005, 01:24 PM

Because he was going somewhere real fast :rolleyes:

I think you like to make it sound like LB was on the plane to stardom and Stevie was running behind him screaming "YOU KNOW I HAVE NO TALENT TAKE ME WITH YOU" :laugh: That is just not true. They went together and happily so according to both. yet, you always make it sound like Stevie was just some random hang on gal in LB's way and she was merely fortutious to have met him. I think that is misleading and untrue. I mean even LB said they were a "package deal." By that he could have meant "I need her because of her songs, talent, etc." Yet, you never say that :shrug: Moreover, it is mostly because of her ambition that Mick noticed them :shrug: I believe she was the one who said let's move to Calif. - though I think in the end it was a mutual decision.
The story I had was that Mick wanted Lindsey, and LB told him they were a package deal.

There was a time when Stevie's voice was enough of an instrument to draw new fans to her. I think she's long past that point. But she's always been a stronger lyric writer, IMO.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 01:26 PM

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 01:28 PM

The story I had was that Mick wanted Lindsey, and LB told him they were a package deal.

There was a time when Stevie's voice was enough of an instrument to draw new fans to her. I think she's long past that point. But she's always been a stronger lyric writer, IMO.

Well, yes, but they would not have been in LA in the first place had it not been for Stevie's ambition - thus, Mick could have never heard FL and asked LB to join :shrug: Plus, LB would not go without her - so that must mean on some level that he thought her an asset outside of the bedroom :shrug: In the end, this whole tired argument is silly because we will never know who would have done what if not for FM. Maybe La Nicks would have gotten tired of supporting LB so he could play guitar and work on his craft. Maybe he would have gotten tired of her. Maybe they would have married and been huge stars in their own right. But, the fact is they through a series of events, joined FM, and the rest is great musical history IMO.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 01:29 PM

Maybe not...but she draws a decent crowd on her own..also depends on where she plays and how they are set up...As we all know she always sells well in Atlanta..

Chris

That is just Diss being an a$$ - Though I love him, to hear him say it, you would think La Nicks has played to more than half empty arenas since 1985, when the facts suggest that while there were few sell outs, the venues were fairly if not mostly full (around 2/3 proabably or more on average though I am not about to head over to Pollstar :laugh: )

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 01:38 PM

Well, yeah, it's a matter of personal taste. But as for how far she would've gotten without Lindsey in the first place, I have to agree with you. I'm not sure she would've gotten to be famous without Lindsey in the beginning. She has talent by herself but it was the "packaged deal" in the beginning that got her going. Without him, she may not have captivated so many and attained the level of stardom she enjoys (and still enjoys, though not so much). I don't think "Gypsy" is so spectacular without Lindsey, but I don't feel that all of her songs need his playing and production.

Of course, whether or not she has the talent to go on without him and whether or not she can gain popularity with the masses are two different issues, though you pretty much said that. I guess I'm just rehashing what you already said, so I'll stop now. :laugh:

Well, they are an example of "the sum is greater than its parts". Separately they are both good, together they blow you away.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 01:42 PM

She won't exactly be selling out shows, either.

Haven't read the entire thread yet but I had to respond to this. As much as I'm giving SN her props for Vegas, nobody's mentioned one big negative for the show besides the cappy setlist and cheesy vids. Only Sat was sold out. Tues some friends of mine stayed in the casino and didn't go to the show. They counted over 100 people walking out during the show. I thought the whole week was a success for fans but the comp ticket holders won't be taking up seats on the tour. Caesar's only held about 4000 capacity. I don't see Stevie selling out tour venues larger than that this summer. :sorry:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 01:49 PM

Actually, as I stated above, he asked her to join his band. :)

I'm not sure that's actually what happened but people always tell it that way. Stevie actually got into Fritz via another member. Male/female cousins who left the group were replaced by Stevie and another guy and that other guy got her into the band, as I heard it told.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 01:53 PM

Haven't read the entire thread yet but I had to respond to this. As much as I'm giving SN her props for Vegas, nobody's mentioned one big negative for the show besides the cappy setlist and cheesy vids. Only Sat was sold out. Tues some friends of mine stayed in the casino and didn't go to the show. They counted over 100 people walking out during the show. I thought the whole week was a success for fans but the comp ticket holders won't be taking up seats on the tour. Caesar's only held about 4000 capacity. I don't see Stevie selling out tour venues larger than that this summer. :sorry:

Well I don't think Vegas is any indication of how the tour will do....Sure it seats 4100, but she played there four nights...so if she say drew app. 14,000 people (assuming she didnt sell it out the first 3 nights) to one city, I dont think that's bad...Also tickets were a little higher in Vegas than they will be throughout the tour, atleast her solo portion...I think she will draw about the same crowds she did with the TISL Tour... Her shows with Don, from what I've heard are meeting expectations of the promoter in terms of sales, and we will see I guess.

Chris

SapphireSister

05-19-2005, 01:54 PM

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 01:59 PM

The story I had was that Mick wanted Lindsey, and LB told him they were a package deal.:nod:

There was a time when Stevie's voice was enough of an instrument to draw new fans to her. I think she's long past that point. But she's always been a stronger lyric writer, IMO.Her current voice was what made me a fan. I hardly knew who any of them were before I heard her in 2001.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:00 PM

This place is hopping with SCUMBAG BOOTLEGGERS. I suggest a delousing is in order.

Bwah! Catch me if you can, bitches!!! :laugh: :woohoo:

GateandGarden

05-19-2005, 02:02 PM

I acutally came here looking for a copy of Saturday night's Vegas show but surprisingly I've found I love it and have become addicted already lol. None of my close friends are Stevie die hards and they get sick of me talking about her so it has been so wonderful to find a group of people that feel the same way about her as I do. It's also great to share the knowledge and learn from other people and hear their experiences. I am so thrilled I discovered this place! I only wish I would have discovered it before the Vegas shows so I could have met some of you!I'm glad you like it here! :) I feel the same way because my Mom and I are the only real Mac fans I know, and she's not nearly as die-hard as I am. My friends are all into more current music or The Beatles. (I'm a Beatles fan too, though I suppose not as much as some). Anyway, I wish I'd met some people in Vegas too but I couldn't go.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:03 PM

That's funny. If he'd just quit being a baby and make another album already, maybe we wouldn't be so desparate.

He did. They wouldn't release it, 'member? :p

SapphireSister

05-19-2005, 02:07 PM

And Lindsey without Stevie? Umm playing at 400 seater clubs

Chris

I love you! :woohoo:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:08 PM

He did. They wouldn't release it, 'member? :p

Anybody can release anything these days. I think there are other reasons nothing is happening. :shrug:

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:11 PM

Anybody can release anything these days. I think there are other reasons nothing is happening. :shrug:

Of course. I'm just taunting koop and specifically referring to Warner's refusal to release it without FM, which only took another 6 years post The Dance. He's still got another complete album of tracks and probably more in the vaults.
What's your theory on why they are not being released? Is the Henley comment actually on the money, then?

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:14 PM

Of course. I'm just taunting koop and specifically referring to Warner's refusal to release it without FM, which only took another 6 years post The Dance. He's still got another complete album of tracks and probably more in the vaults.
What's your theory on why they are not being released? Is the Henley comment actually on the money, then?

I don't think he can swallow his pride and go to a small label or release it himself. He wants the royal treatment that a big label like Warners provides. He's too deluded to realize that they won't treat him like royalty as a solo artist, which is why GOS was never released and he turned it into a Mac project: because as much as he bitches about being an struggling artiste, he still wants the perks and nothing less.

AliceLover

05-19-2005, 02:15 PM

:laugh:

I liked Beauty and the Beast a helluva lot, but if you want to spew, download If Anyone Falls.

Diss you must have a lot of anger in your life.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:16 PM

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:17 PM

ITA - and I love him anyway :nod:

It's times like these when I just want to pop in Destiny Rules and laugh at him. :laugh:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:18 PM

What's your theory on why they are not being released? Is the Henley comment actually on the money, then?

I have a lot of thoughts but they are somewhat conflicting so only time will tell. Henley's comment is highly suspicious coming at this time, imo.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:19 PM

I don't think he can swallow his pride and go to a small label or release it himself. He wants the royal treatment that a big label like Warners provides. He's too deluded to realize that they won't treat him like royalty as a solo artist, which is why GOS was never released and he turned it into a Mac project: because as much as he bitches about being an struggling artiste, he still wants the perks and nothing less.

I see the incongruity of the artiste with the 21 million dollar house, Mercedes, etc. but didn't want to point that out because I don't feel like getting my ass flamed off today. :lol: Stevie admits she's posh.
I don't think that's what glitter was getting at. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:19 PM

It's times like these when I just want to pop in Destiny Rules and laugh at him. :laugh:

I'm going to right now. :lol: :lol:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:22 PM

I see the incongruity of the artiste with the 21 million dollar house, Mercedes, etc. but didn't want to point that out because I don't feel like getting my ass flamed off today. :lol: Stevie admits she's posh.
I don't think that's what glitter was getting at. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:

No flaming from me, love. As much as I love the guy, he's so full of **** that I can see it dribbling down his chin. :laugh: His struggling artist routine is as tired as Dreams and Rhiannon are these days.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:22 PM

I have a lot of thoughts but they are somewhat conflicting so only time will tell. Henley's comment is highly suspicious coming at this time, imo.

Well that's a non answer-answer but if that is all you wish to say, I will respect that.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:23 PM

It's times like these when I just want to pop in Destiny Rules and laugh at him. :laugh:

I have a strange feeling La Nicks may have done that once or twice as well while watching that diamond snake in a black sky :cool:

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:23 PM

No flaming from me, love. As much as I love the guy, he's so full of **** that I can see it dribbling down his chin. :laugh: His struggling artist routine is as tired as Dreams and Rhiannon are these days.

But at least he'll play his new songs. :shrug:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:23 PM

I'm going to right now. :lol: :lol:

"Where's the phone?!"

And that whole bit about Todd Solondz has me on the floor every time. And when he's in his car talking about how Mick supposedly backstabbed him. :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:24 PM

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:25 PM

"Where's the phone?!"

And that whole bit about Todd Solondz has me on the floor every time. And when he's in his car talking about how Mick supposedly backstabbed him. :laugh:

You mean his $80,000 gas guzzeling Mercedes :wavey:

For the weak of heart - I could care a less what kind of car he owns and am just blabbing with Diss and Goldie :cool:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:26 PM

I see the incongruity of the artiste with the 21 million dollar house, Mercedes, etc. but didn't want to point that out because I don't feel like getting my ass flamed off today. :lol: Stevie admits she's posh.
I don't think that's what glitter was getting at. Maybe I'm wrong. :shrug:

No, that's not what I was getting at before, but I'll go along with LB being a pompus ass too full of himself to go out on a limb and release his material himself. He wants all da perks as symbols of achievement if nothing else. I actually don't think he was that materialistic in the past but things change when you have mouths to feed, houses to pay for, bling you gotta toss around more often. :laugh:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:26 PM

But at least he'll play his new songs. :shrug:

But of course. His struggling artist stuff may be rote, but he keeps things fresh. Just look at Soundstage. Imagine what Stevie would have performed if she taped one.

Enchanted
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Rhiannon
Landslide
Stand Back
Edge of Seventeen
HAEWAFY

Did I miss anything? :laugh:

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 02:27 PM

I acutally came here looking for a copy of Saturday night's Vegas show but surprisingly I've found I love it and have become addicted already lol. None of my close friends are Stevie die hards and they get sick of me talking about her so it has been so wonderful to find a group of people that feel the same way about her as I do. It's also great to share the knowledge and learn from other people and hear their experiences. I am so thrilled I discovered this place! I only wish I would have discovered it before the Vegas shows so I could have met some of you!

I wish you did too, welcome to the Ledge. :wavey: The experience of meeting Ledgies in Vegas was largely indescribable but completely fabulous. :thumbsup:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:27 PM

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:29 PM

But of course. His struggling artist stuff may be rote, but he keeps things fresh. Just look at Soundstage. Imagine what Stevie would have performed if she taped one.

Enchanted
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Gold Dust Woman
Rhiannon
Landslide
Stand Back
Edge of Seventeen
HAEWAFY

Did I miss anything? :laugh:

Well, there was her Storytellers, which he has done - and that contained some rarities like After the Glitter Fades and a totally different Rhiannon, even if it was not to everyone's liking. So, your analogy is a little unsupported by history :wavey:

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 02:29 PM

ITA - and I love him anyway :nod:

Me too. Once you become accustomed to a certain lifestyle, it is difficult to relinquish that, which is why wealthy men have to pay so much alimony. :eek:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:31 PM

You mean his $80,000 gas guzzeling Mercedes :wavey:

The one and only. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would sit down to watch the evening news, wach a brief piece on how bad pollution is getting, say "That's terrible," and then hop into a jet to fly one state over to go to a day spa with the wifey poo.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:32 PM

"Where's the phone?!"

when he's in his car talking about how Mick supposedly backstabbed him. :laugh:

That's one of the only sincere moments in the docudrama. It was another Mick as traitor turning point. You'd think LB would be used to that and see it coming after 25+ years. He still wants people to act like they have integrity even when it's just an act. :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:33 PM

The one and only. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would sit down to watch the evening news, wach a brief piece on how bad pollution is getting, say "That's terrible," and then hop into a jet to fly one state over to go to a day spa with the wifey poo.

Even if she already is in Reno for six weeks :eek:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:33 PM

Well, there was her Storytellers, which he has done - and that contained some rarities like After the Glitter Fades and a totally different Rhiannon, even if it was not to everyone's liking. So, your analogy is a little unsupported by history :wavey:

Bleh. With the exception of Rhiannon, she had been playing those songs all summer, it took no effort. And she still performed Gold Dust Woman (though it didn't make the cut), Landslide, Stand Back, Edge, Dreams, and HAEWAFY.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:35 PM

Bleh. With the exception of Rhiannon, she had been playing those songs all summer, it took no effort. And she still performed Gold Dust Woman (though it didn't make the cut), Landslide, Stand Back, Edge, Dreams, and HAEWAFY.

You are being too harsh on her. She had not done After the Glitter Fades in like 15 years and she also did the never before that tour done Rose Garden, Garbo, and Sleeping Angel, none of which made the cut - I get that she had bneen playing them all Summer long, but they were rarities nonetheless from that point. AND - we have yet to see what makes LB's final cut - though he does not have as many hits as she does (no slam intended) :shrug:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:36 PM

- we have yet to see what makes LB's final cut :shrug:

Who knows if we're ever gonna see it at all.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:37 PM

Who knows if we're ever gonna see it at all.

maybe instead of going to Vegas and eliciting the ilicit, Wed., sex soaked perhaps post coital performance - he should have stayed home at the editing board!

Did I just say that?

amber

05-19-2005, 02:40 PM

maybe instead of going to Vegas and eliciting the ilicit, Wed., sex soaked perhaps post coital performance - he should have stayed home at the editing board!

Did I just say that?
S'okay, we were all thinking it. :laugh:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:40 PM

Who knows if we're ever gonna see it at all.

No ****. I won't be holding my breath for that one, lest I end up looking as blue as the jeans I'm wearing. No, my friend, we'll get nothing form Lindsey Buckingham, while we'll have to endure the "Dreams Revue" in Vegas once it becomes a staple, the neverending "Gold Dust Tour," the half-assed Henley/Nicks double bills, and who knows how many more interviews where she blows smoke up all of our collective asses. But I suppose I could forgive all of this if she just performed one bloody song she's never done before.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:41 PM

maybe instead of going to Vegas and iliciting the Wed. sex soaked perhaps post coital performance - he should have stayed home at the editing board!

Did I just say that?

:nod: :eek:

Hey, remember, I was there. ;)

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:41 PM

No ****. I won't be holding my breath for that one, lest I end up looking as blue as the jeans I'm wearing. No, my friend, we'll get nothing form Lindsey Buckingham, while we'll have to endure the "Dreams Revue" in Vegas once it becomes a staple, the neverending "Gold Dust Tour," the half-assed Henley/Nicks double bills, and who knows how many more interviews where she blows smoke up all of our collective asses. But I suppose I could forgive all of this if she just performed one bloody song she's never done before.

And where did she promise she was doing in vegas this never before performed song?

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:42 PM

And where did she promise she was doing in vegas this never before performed song?

Get your eyes checked, I never said such a thing.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:42 PM

:nod: :eek:

Hey, remember, I was there. ;)

:mad:

Braggart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;)

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 02:43 PM

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:44 PM

Get your eyes checked, I never said such a thing.

Then you deny she implied or said such - which is what I took from your immediately preceeding statement who knows how many more interviews where she blows smoke up all of our collective asses. :shrug:

On edit - she was a fool though IMO for not performing a truly new song considering the ovation she got for BC on last year.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 02:45 PM

No ****. I won't be holding my breath for that one, lest I end up looking as blue as the jeans I'm wearing. No, my friend, we'll get nothing form Lindsey Buckingham, while we'll have to endure the "Dreams Revue" in Vegas once it becomes a staple, the neverending "Gold Dust Tour," the half-assed Henley/Nicks double bills, and who knows how many more interviews where she blows smoke up all of our collective asses. But I suppose I could forgive all of this if she just performed one bloody song she's never done before.

So if she does Highwayman with Don, then we'll be ok..lol

Chris

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:45 PM

So if she does Highwayman with Don, then we'll be ok..lol

Chris

OOOOOOOOOOOOO SNAP in a Z formation :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:46 PM

maybe instead of going to Vegas and eliciting the ilicit, Wed., sex soaked perhaps post coital performance - he should have stayed home at the editing board!

Did I just say that?

:] :laugh: :laugh:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:47 PM

Then you deny she implied or said such - which is what I took from your immediately preceeding statement :shrug:

She built that show up to epic proportions. While it may have been good, she hyped it to be something it wasn't. Baiting fans with Sisters of the Moon, Talk To Me, and other rarely performed songs, saying that all the old costumes were going to come out, tons of old video clips would be used, etc. Puhleeze, Stevie. Mean what you say or shut up, mmkay?

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 02:47 PM

So if she does Highwayman with Don, then we'll be ok..lol

Chris

I'd bite off my foot if that would happen. I'm expecting L&L.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:47 PM

And where did she promise she was doing in vegas this never before performed song?

I'm giving La Nicks all the props in the world for Vegas but don't get me started on the disregarded hints (if not promises) she made leading up to the whole Vegas/summer tour deal. Dude, she lied about the whole presentation on Jim Ladd. If you keep it up it might start a flame war if I say why I think she lied about the whole thing. ;) :xoxo:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:48 PM

So if she does Highwayman with Don, then we'll be ok..lol

Chris

The chances of that happening are slim to none, and slim just left town. I'll be flabbergasted if it is performed, to say the VERY least.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:48 PM

She built that show up to epic proportions. While it may have been good, she hyped it to be something it wasn't. Baiting fans with Sisters of the Moon, Talk To Me, and other rarely performed songs, saying that all the old costumes were going to come out, tons of old video clips would be used, etc. Puhleeze, Stevie. Mean what you say or shut up, mmkay?

Well, she said she would look into SOTM after Ladd, not she, brought it up. I truly think she wanted to do TTM but dropped it because she did not write it or like Waddy said - it is hard for some reason for her to sing these days. I do think though she considered it.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 02:49 PM

So if she does Highwayman with Don, then we'll be ok..lol

Chris

taint gonna happen. :sorry:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 02:49 PM

If you keep it up it might start a flame war if I say why I think she lied about the whole thing. ;) :xoxo:

Aw...you might as well. There's nothing else to do today but bicker.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:49 PM

The chances of that happening are slim to none, and slim just left town. I'll be flabbergasted if it is performed, to say the VERY least.

BUT - will you be speechless - if so, please notify me before hand as I and others want the full effect :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo: :wavey:

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 02:49 PM

The chances of that happening are slim to none, and slim just left town. I'll be flabbergasted if it is performed, to say the VERY least.

Yes I agree...but if Mr. Henley's interviews are any indication, it may happen

Chris

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:50 PM

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 02:50 PM

. I truly think she wanted to do TTM but dropped it because she did not write it or like Waddy said - it is hard for some reason for her to sing these days. I do think though she considered it.

Bull. It wasn't dropped because she didn't write it.....SDMHA...INTK are still in the set.

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:51 PM

BUT - will you be speechless - if so, please notify me before hand as I and others want the full effect :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo: :wavey:

Most likely...no, I won't. Knowing her, if they do it, they'll perform it at the first show and then drop it faster than TISL dropped off the charts. :p

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 02:53 PM

Most likely...no, I won't. Knowing her, if they do it, they'll perform it at the first show and then drop it faster than TISL dropped off the charts. :p

Haha I love that!

Chris

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:53 PM

I'm giving La Nicks all the props in the world for Vegas but don't get me started on the disregarded hints (if not promises) she made leading up to the whole Vegas/summer tour deal. Dude, she lied about the whole presentation on Jim Ladd. If you keep it up it might start a flame war if I say why I think she lied about the whole thing. ;) :xoxo:

Again, you can hear it that way - after all your track record with quotes leaves a little to be desired :D ;) - but when you go back and listen to it, when she is talking about the show being like nothing she has ever done before, it is within the context of the huge stage, the concept of not touring, and the video screen, which she utilized :shrug: She also goes on about the stage clothes, which we got :shrug: She also says she is looking at song choices and we got four changes some of which had not been performed since like 1985 (I think). So, while I wish she would have done more, I think it is a little disingenuous to say she did not do what she said - no matter how fun it may be to do so :D (last part a ribbing only and in a friendly manner)

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 02:53 PM

Well, she said she would look into SOTM after Ladd, not she, brought it up. I truly think she wanted to do TTM but dropped it because she did not write it or like Waddy said - it is hard for some reason for her to sing these days. I do think though she considered it.

There's no way she can sing the "Well babe you've taken all my dreams, isn't that enough" part at the end anymore, IMO.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:55 PM

Bull. It wasn't dropped because she didn't write it.....SDMHA...INTK are still in the set.

Well, SDMHA was a huge hit and I think she wrote INTK though I have nothing whatsoever to base that on. In the end, I think it was a s Waddy says her voice. I mean why would he lie about that? I do wish, however, she would have performed it and am disappointed she did not as I thought she perhaps would given that she talked about it and obviously considered it :shrug:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:55 PM

There's no way she can sing the "Well babe you've taken all my dreams, isn't that enough" part at the end anymore, IMO.

Not unless she called Ashlee Simpson for some ideas.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:56 PM

Most likely...no, I won't. Knowing her, if they do it, they'll perform it at the first show and then drop it faster than TISL dropped off the charts. :p

So, if they play it more than once, I am starting a tread called "Dissentions's Penance of Silence" where in you will get flamed by everyone and be prohibited from replying :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:57 PM

and I think she wrote INTK though I have nothing whatsoever to base that on.

What? :confused:

That's insane, but hey, you're you. :p

amber

05-19-2005, 02:57 PM

So, if they play it more than once, I am starting a tread called "Dissentions's Penance of Silence" where in you will get flamed by everyone and be prohibited from replying :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:
*wrings hands in anticipation*

The Tower

05-19-2005, 02:57 PM

And where did she promise she was doing in vegas this never before performed song?
Jim Ladd interview. She said she was going to play "The Highwayman".

dissention

05-19-2005, 02:58 PM

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 02:58 PM

What? :confused:

That's insane, but hey, you're you. :p

:laugh:

This is coming from someone who said Crying In the Night would be in the set. :cool:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:58 PM

What? :confused:

That's insane, but hey, you're you. :p

Its just a feeling - I also think she wrote most the "days when the rain and the sun are gone - black night - agony has torn at my heart to long" in I'm So Afraid - But, that is my deal and no one needs to agree with me :D

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 02:59 PM

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 02:59 PM

:laugh:

This is coming from someone who said Crying In the Night would be in the set. :cool:

Well, I thought she might. I mean the nicksfix put it up the day before the concerts started :shrug: But, I was wrong. :p

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:00 PM

Jim Ladd interview. She said she was going to play "The Highwayman".

I agree and she said it in reference to the Henley tour not the Vegas show. I believe she specifically said that it would be in the Summer shows :shrug:

GypsySorcerer

05-19-2005, 03:00 PM

Well, SDMHA was a huge hit and I think she wrote INTK though I have nothing whatsoever to base that on. In the end, I think it was a s Waddy says her voice. I mean why would he lie about that? I do wish, however, she would have performed it and am disappointed she did not as I thought she perhaps would given that she talked about it and obviously considered it :shrug:

If you think that, you must have something to base it on. So spill it. :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:01 PM

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:02 PM

*wrings hands in anticipation*

First words out of my mouth will be "DISSENTION AND W ARE HAVING AND AFFAIR AND DISSENTION IS THE BOTTOM"

Oh to have no reply from him on that :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 03:02 PM

the video screen, which she utilized
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

She also goes on about the stage clothes, which we got :shrug: She went on and on about that topic. It was a specified point she worked into the conversation via a dig that I'm not sure was simply matter of fact. :p

I think it is a little disingenuous to say she did not do what she said - no matter how fun it may be to do so :D (last part a ribbing only and in a friendly manner)

After what she said and did...I"M DISINGENUOUS? :xoxo:

:wavey:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:03 PM

What else did she write? Devil Went Down to Georgia?

Sadly, she never wrote

SHUT UP CURTIS

:p

The Tower

05-19-2005, 03:03 PM

Bull. It wasn't dropped because she didn't write it.....SDMHA...INTK are still in the set.
Yeah... it was dropped because she can't sing it anymore. AND the range on that song doesn't allow her to pull the key change bull****- if she tried it, the verses would be lower than "Destiny Rules".

GypsySorcerer

05-19-2005, 03:04 PM

Well, I thought she might. I mean the nicksfix put it up the day before the concerts started :shrug: But, I was wrong. :p

Haven't we established the Nicksfix is worthless for such matters? :laugh:

The Tower

05-19-2005, 03:04 PM

I agree and she said it in reference to the Henley tour not the Vegas show. I believe she specifically said that it would be in the Summer shows :shrug:
Nope- she said it would be in Vegas.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:05 PM

. . . After what she said and did...I"M DISINGENUOUS? :xoxo:

:wavey:

I guess your right, she did not utilize the screen by buying rights to movies, she did not add three relatively new songs, and we got no new and old clothes :rolleyes: Again, I think she delivered as much as she could given the time and money constraints - I also think she wanted to keep it focused on the music. But, you got a wholely different impresssion, but you usually do in interviews :laugh: :wavey:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:06 PM

Nope- she said it would be in Vegas.

I don't think so as I just listened to it again :shrug: She talks about doing it in the Summer :shrug: I will listen to it again though.

amber

05-19-2005, 03:07 PM

What else did she write? Devil Went Down to Georgia?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sadly, she never wrote

SHUT UP CURTIS

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:07 PM

Its just a feeling - I also think she wrote most the "days when the rain and the sun are gone - black night - agony has torn at my heart to long" in I'm So Afraid - But, that is my deal and no one needs to agree with me :D

Considering that INTK was on their second record, it doesn't make sense timewise for them to have recorded a song written by Stevie Nicks. She didn't hook up with him until after Damn the Torpedoes.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 03:08 PM

Nope- she said it would be in Vegas.

OH NO! Are we going by what Stevie says again? I thought even Jason was over that hump once and for all. :laugh: :xoxo:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:09 PM

Yeah... it was dropped because she can't sing it anymore. AND the range on that song doesn't allow her to pull the key change bull****- if she tried it, the verses would be lower than "Destiny Rules".

Well, that would go along with what Waddy said about it being difficult for her to sing. I do think she tried it though. Otherwise, why bring it up? I just do not think La Nicks sat there and said, for the relatively few who read this interview, I am going to maliciously bait them into thinking TTM is in the set. That of course assumes most even know what TTM is. Sure it was a hit, but she is not really known for it :shrug:

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:09 PM

She went on and on about that topic. It was a specified point she worked into the conversation via a dig that I'm not sure was simply matter of fact. :p

Touche. :laugh:

The Tower

05-19-2005, 03:10 PM

But when you go back and listen to it, when she is talking about the show being like nothing she has ever done before, it is within the context of the huge stage, the concept of not touring, and the video screen, which she utilized
Bull****.

She also goes on about the stage clothes, which we got.
Bull****.

She also says she is looking at song choices and we got four changes some of which had not been performed since like 1985 (I think).
Nothing new and nothing that she mentioned.

So, while I wish she would have done more, I think it is a little disingenuous to say she did not do what she said - no matter how fun it may be to do so :D (last part a ribbing only and in a friendly manner)
Oh bull****, Jason. Wake up and pull your head out of the chiffon. There were great parts of the show and BATB was an experience of a lifetime, but it's ridiculous to ignore the fact that she pumped up the show and then didn't deliver.

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:10 PM

Considering that INTK was on their second record, it doesn't make sense timewise for them to have recorded a song written by Stevie Nicks. She didn't hook up with him until after Damn the Torpedoes.

I can see why she added to the set for the WWD Tour. The whole "going solo" and not having an extensive music catalog. But now? I dunno. I guess it's fun and uptempo and easy to sing, but I could fill that 3 minute spot in the show with a Nicks tune.

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:10 PM

she did not add three relatively new songs

No, she didn't.

amber

05-19-2005, 03:11 PM

No, she didn't.
Well, that's just a lie. She hardly ever does those songs.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:13 PM

No, she didn't.

She had not performed IAF and B&B and STML since 1991 which was like 15 years ago - thus I correctly used "relatively new songs" :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:13 PM

That of course assumes most even know what TTM is. Sure it was a hit, but she is not really known for it :shrug:

Still. It was a hit. People know it is a Stevie Nicks song.

I'm sure she tried it and it didn't work out. But Hell, look at TFFT and POTU....they didn't work on stage but she kept them around for awhile. :rolleyes:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 03:13 PM

Bull****.

Bull****.

Nothing new and nothing that she mentioned.

Oh bull****, Jason. Wake up and pull your head out of the chiffon. There were great parts of the show and BATB was an experience of a lifetime, but it's ridiculous to ignore the fact that she pumped up the show and then didn't deliver.

Thank you. This is the post I wanted to make but with our history, Jason might want a divorce. I'm not ready for the talk in the town that I might go solo. :D

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:14 PM

Bull****.

Bull****.

Nothing new and nothing that she mentioned.

Oh bull****, Jason. Wake up and pull your head out of the chiffon. There were great parts of the show and BATB was an experience of a lifetime, but it's ridiculous to ignore the fact that she pumped up the show and then didn't deliver.

I am listening to it now - Please point out with EXACT quotes where she says anything other than I suggested. I know you cannot - but I would like to see you try :wavey:

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:15 PM

Well, that's just a lie. She hardly ever does those songs.

No, what's a lie is calling them "relatively new." She last did How Still my Love in 1994, and Beauty and the Beast and If Anyone Falls in 1991. They were old songs then and they are old songs now. :shrug:

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:15 PM

Well, that's just a lie. She hardly ever does those songs.

Out of 7 solo tours they were played on 3 or 4. :shrug:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:16 PM

Still. It was a hit. People know it is a Stevie Nicks song.

I'm sure she tried it and it didn't work out. But Hell, look at TFFT and POTU....they didn't work on stage but she kept them around for awhile. :rolleyes:

But she could sing them :shrug: Waddy saif TTm is hard for her to sing. But, if you want to think she deliberately lied in order to sell tickets, who am i to keep you down :cool:

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:17 PM

Still. It was a hit. People know it is a Stevie Nicks song.

I'm sure she tried it and it didn't work out. But Hell, look at TFFT and POTU....they didn't work on stage but she kept them around for awhile. :rolleyes:

Don't forget Bombay Sapphires. Oh, the horror. You should have heard what people had to say at the Boston TISL show about it. Poor Stevie. :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:17 PM

Out of 7 solo tours they were played on 3 or 4. :shrug:

and not on the last 15 years :shrug:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:18 PM

Don't forget Bombay Sapphires. Oh, the horror. You should have heard what people had to say at the Boston TISL show about it. Poor Stevie. :laugh:

It is just so not pretty when you are losing an argument to watch you take to picking on her when her voice was failing :rolleyes: But, those that can't SPIN :p

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:19 PM

Considering that INTK was on their second record, it doesn't make sense timewise for them to have recorded a song written by Stevie Nicks. She didn't hook up with him until after Damn the Torpedoes.

Again, I just think it - I could be totally wrong and probably am - but it is just a feeling albeit unsupported :cool:

amber

05-19-2005, 03:19 PM

No, what's a lie is calling them "relatively new." She last did How Still my Love in 1994, and Beauty and the Beast and If Anyone Falls in 1991. They were old songs then and they are old songs now. :shrug:
But not all together, and that was a way long time ago. Also? Shut Up! :laugh: The point was that I'd never heard them live. Therefore? New! NewNewNewNew! *stomps foot*

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 03:20 PM

But, those that can't SPIN :p

grind. :eek:

:laugh:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:20 PM

and not on the last 15 years :shrug:

She's only had 3 tours since then: SA, Enchanted, and TISL

...and HSML was last played on the SA tour.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:20 PM

Don't forget Bombay Sapphires. Oh, the horror. You should have heard what people had to say at the Boston TISL show about it. Poor Stevie. :laugh:

The problem with that whole tour is that you couldn't hear her or the band. The whole thing lacked any punch.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:20 PM

OH NO! Are we going by what Stevie says again? I thought even Jason was over that hump once and for all. :laugh: :xoxo:

Well, at least he listens to what she says and quotes it in context as opposed to soooommmmmeeee peooopple :wavey:

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:21 PM

and not on the last 15 years :shrug:

Doesn't make them new or make me orgasmic to hear them again when we could be hearing something like Storms or RTTG.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 03:21 PM

The problem with that whole tour is that you couldn't hear her or the band. The whole thing lacked any punch.

I agree..and I think that when they came back after 9/11 and sicknesses things were much better...Didn't Waddy mention Lori came in and said something terrible was going on with Stevie's monitors??

Chris

The Tower

05-19-2005, 03:22 PM

I am listening to it now - Please point out with EXACT quotes where she says anything other than I suggested. I know you cannot - but I would like to see you try :wavey:
I'm gonna relisten to it tonight and get back to you. I have a feeling you're spinning like hubcaps on a black Cadillac Escalade, but we'll see....

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:22 PM

. . .

...and HSML was last played on the SA tour.

not according to the Nicks Fix and she did not play it at the show I attended :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:22 PM

Don't forget Bombay Sapphires. Oh, the horror. You should have heard what people had to say at the Boston TISL show about it. Poor Stevie. :laugh:

:lol:

Definately a "studio only" song...like I Can't Wait

amber

05-19-2005, 03:23 PM

Doesn't make them new or make me orgasmic to hear them again when we could be hearing something like Storms or RTTG.
Didn't she do RTTG on SYW? Didn't you bitch about it? Or, wait, was that every other thing she's ever done? Hmmm, so hard to keep it straight. :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:23 PM

not according to the Nicks Fix and she did not play it at the show I attended :shrug:

Jones Beach 7-24-94

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:23 PM

and not on the last 15 years :shrug:

If Anyone Falls was last performed in 1991. :p

The Tower

05-19-2005, 03:24 PM

Doesn't make them new or make me orgasmic to hear them again when we could be hearing something like Storms or RTTG.
Or "Sable on Blond" or "The Highwayman" or "Nothing Ever Changes" or "Kind of Woman" or "Ooh My Love" or "Long Way to Go" and on and on and on.....

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 03:28 PM

:lol:

Definately a "studio only" song...like I Can't Wait

I liked all the video songs, too. :p I know I couldn't have lived another minute without IAF and the never ending loops of her schlock ballet during that one. It was the only thing remotely like what she implied on Ladd and it was a hellava stretch if you're calling that use of the "video songs." WTH? Why not the masterpiece vid of ROF? Probably the same reason none of the screens were used to project her image to the larger audience. Very few close ups were projected except for the band. That would have been a much better use of the screens than the freaking unicorns romping and annoying doves flapping.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:29 PM

She's only had 3 tours since then: SA, Enchanted, and TISL

...and HSML was last played on the SA tour.

It was? :confused:

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:30 PM

I agree..and I think that when they came back after 9/11 and sicknesses things were much better...Didn't Waddy mention Lori came in and said something terrible was going on with Stevie's monitors??

Chris

Yes. How many boots from the masters have you heard where she talks about her earphones being too loud? I think she is ultra sensitive that way.

amber

05-19-2005, 03:31 PM

I liked all the video songs, too. :p I know I couldn't have lived another minute without IAF and the never ending loops of her schlock ballet during that one. It was the only thing remotely like what she implied on Ladd and it was a hellava stretch if you're calling that use of the "video songs." WTH? Why not the masterpiece vid of ROF? Probably the same reason none of the screens were used to project her image to the larger audience. Very few close ups were projected except for the band. That would have been a much better use of the screens than the freaking unicorns romping and annoying doves flapping.
Now that you know the truth about Stevie, you probably shouldn't go next time. :nod: You'll probably be really disappointed, and then you may feel the urge to bitch about it. Then I'll feel the urge to feel bad for you, that you got so little out of the experience. :distress:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:31 PM

It was? :confused:

Another date: 7-14-94 Roxbury, LA

Edit: Pondering the Millenium was also a tour (although a mini one)....4 tours since '91

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:32 PM

Again, I just think it - I could be totally wrong and probably am - but it is just a feeling albeit unsupported :cool:

But timewise it's 100% unsupported. That's the thing.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:32 PM

Or "Long Way to Go" and on and on and on.....

She could still rock that. :nod:

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:33 PM

The problem with that whole tour is that you couldn't hear her or the band. The whole thing lacked any punch.

Most definitely. :nod: My friend that came with me had also gone with me to see the opening night of Enchanted and remarked after the TISL show that neither her or her band were into it at all. I felt the same way.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 03:33 PM

Yes. How many boots from the masters have you heard where she talks about her earphones being too loud? I think she is ultra sensitive that way.

true...but she did seem to sound way better in the ending part of the TISL Tour, although I dunno if that's just because she was over sickness or what

Chris

SapphireSister

05-19-2005, 03:34 PM

Ok this is in response to all of you who are bitter about being mislead by the Jim Ladd interview. I admit as hyped as I was after the show I too was a little put off by the fact that she had built it up so much and not followed through with the majority of what she said. At the same time I thought it was an amazing show and don't really think it matters a great deal what she said. I was thrilled to be there and so grateful to have the opportunity to see her in Vegas.

But on that note I need to play devil's advocate for a moment here - Is it possible that what she told us may have been her intentions at the time and that for reasons beyond her control and reasons we will never know it just wasn't possible? There are so many factors that go into putting on a production. The possibilities are endless as to why she didn't break out the old outfits or play some of the songs she mentioned or the other things. I just hate to think that she blatantly lied to us when she did that interview and already knew she wasn't going to do any of the things she said she would. Thoughts?

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 03:34 PM

:laugh:

I liked Beauty and the Beast a helluva lot, but if you want to spew, download If Anyone Falls.

Oy vey. I believe you are correct sir. On a positive note, the back-up vocals sound beautiful!

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:34 PM

not according to the Nicks Fix and she did not play it at the show I attended :shrug:

She played it, so the NicksFix is full of hot air. I saw her opening night and she played it.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:35 PM

I liked all the video songs, too. :p I know I couldn't have lived another minute without IAF and the never ending loops of her schlock ballet during that one.

It's too bad that more of the IAF video wasn't shown because it's so pretty and ethereal. It would have added a lot to the imagery of the song, which I loved, btw.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 03:35 PM

Most definitely. :nod: My friend that came with me had also gone with me to see the opening night of Enchanted and remarked after the TISL show that neither her or her band were into it at all. I felt the same way.

I agree..that's why when ppl were complaining about her performance during the SYW Tour, I didn't see it --because on the SYW Tour she was way more active than the TISL Tour...and the TISL Tour was my first tour I had seen her...so I was amazed that she was twirling in 2003-04, screaming in GDW, wore boots on atleast a few songs, seem to be having more fun...things that lacked on TISL Tour

Chris

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:36 PM

Or "Sable on Blond" or "The Highwayman" or "Nothing Ever Changes" or "Kind of Woman" or "Ooh My Love" or "Long Way to Go" and on and on and on.....

Now I'm orgasmic. OoOhOhhooO.

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:37 PM

Another date: 7-14-94 Roxbury, LA

Edit: Pondering the Millenium was also a tour (although a mini one)....4 tours since '91

Oops. Forgot about that one.

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:37 PM

Oy vey. I believe you are correct sir. On a positive note, the back-up vocals sound beautiful!

:nod:

I happen to love Jana, so I flip the bird to all the naysayers. :laugh:

amber

05-19-2005, 03:38 PM

:nod:

I happen to love Jana, so I flip the bird to all the naysayers. :laugh:
wait, you love Jana? I now have to disregard every opinion you've ever had.... :lol:

ontheEdgeof17

05-19-2005, 03:39 PM

Oops. Forgot about that one.

Yup. PTM had a good setlist....even Rooms on Fire! :eek:

It can be done!

gldstwmn

05-19-2005, 03:39 PM

Oy vey. I believe you are correct sir. On a positive note, the back-up vocals sound beautiful!

They were fab and more pronounced in the theater than what you're hearing on the boot. It made my hair stand on end. :lol:

dissention

05-19-2005, 03:41 PM

I agree..that's why when ppl were complaining about her performance during the SYW Tour, I didn't see it --because on the SYW Tour she was way more active than the TISL Tour...and the TISL Tour was my first tour I had seen her...so I was amazed that she was twirling in 2003-04, screaming in GDW, wore boots on atleast a few songs, seem to be having more fun...things that lacked on TISL Tour

Chris

:nod: When I saw her on the TISL tour, I thought of the Klonopin days. Then when I saw the LIB taping, she was fabulous. But then I saw her on the last leg before they canceled some dates and she moved like a boulder onstage.

ShangriLaTroubl

05-19-2005, 03:46 PM

:nod: When I saw her on the TISL tour, I thought of the Klonopin days. Then when I saw the LIB taping, she was fabulous. But then I saw her on the last leg before they canceled some dates and she moved like a boulder onstage.

Nothing compares to the very beginning of the tour in May of 2003, she was concreted into the floor I believe...although she WAS wearing boots during every song during those first few...but she was not movin at all

Chris

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:53 PM

I'm gonna relisten to it tonight and get back to you. I have a feeling you're spinning like hubcaps on a black Cadillac Escalade, but we'll see....

On the first download:

She talks about the 150 foot wide stage that foes up and the video screens and how she is going to try and fill it. She talks about how she and Waddy are going to figure it out in so little time. She then talks about the IMAX screens and Elton's old footage. She talks about pulling crazy film from her past and how she is going to use the video songs. She did this to an extent, though not all of the time. Maybe she saw it and did not like it, but she clearly used footage from her videos and from songs she did not play like I Can't Wait. She talks about the contrast effect in Sara on the SYW tour and how cool that was - again she did that with IAF :shrug: She also says the old clothes are all coming out - well she did that - she wore several older outfits and a stunning new one. Plus she decorated the set with that blue velvet Timespace robe on the piano with the candelabra :shrug: Granted no boas - boy that was a vicious lie in an attempt to get people to buy tickets :shrug:

At 7:11 in pt. 1 she says she "might have to take the microphone off of the stand for the first time since she was in college" - she never said she was going to do it. She is talking about planning what she is going to do because of the size of the stage and these are some of the ideas :shrug: She says she may have to go to each end of the stage like Mick Jagger. I think she solved that issue by condensing the stage and not using the 20 or so feet on each side - so taking the mic. off of the stand was not necessary anymore. Maybe it overwhelmed her - who knows - but she is talking about what she MAY do - which hardly is a promise of doing it, which she never did.

At aroung 11:15 on pt. 6, she says "Just a little side thing - I think we are also going to do The Highwayman" - so I WAS WRONG - it was not in the context of the Summer shows (though I could swear she said that) - but she still never promised it as an absolute :shrug: On a side note - did you all know that sometimes when you download something you do not get the whole thing - I never knew that as I re-downloaded the Ladd interviews and heard things I never heard :laugh:

In the end - I think she tried to make the Vegas set (literal set and songs)different and she lived up to what she said she was going to do in that she used the videos, she added songs she hadn't sang in like 15 or so years and we got some new and old cool clothes :shrug: I wanted more and wish she would have done more, but she did not and no one is ever going to agree on what is more. Such is life and she still gave a phenomenal show despite any superficial rote set list.

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 03:53 PM

Now that you know the truth about Stevie, you probably shouldn't go next time. :nod: You'll probably be really disappointed, and then you may feel the urge to bitch about it. Then I'll feel the urge to feel bad for you, that you got so little out of the experience. :distress:

I've always known the truth about Stevie especially the part about never taking anything she says at face value. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy her work. I don't make excuses for her inconsistencies and contradictions, but that doesn't mean I can't give kudos to her onstage behavior when she deserves her due. Vegas was not what she said. Period. I still loved her performances and I will always remember how great she was compared to the dozens of other times I've seen her live across the past 30 years. Stevie, just stop talking and go out and do your thing on stage. You've still got it. You don't need the outfits or the videos to sell your show to me.

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 03:55 PM

I don't think he can swallow his pride and go to a small label or release it himself. He wants the royal treatment that a big label like Warners provides. He's too deluded to realize that they won't treat him like royalty as a solo artist, which is why GOS was never released and he turned it into a Mac project: because as much as he bitches about being an struggling artiste, he still wants the perks and nothing less.

Yup. He's an indie musician trapped inside the body of an ego-driven, superstar rock god. He'll never be able to give up the perks. That's a shame too, because I bet he could release some very interesting stuff if he'd just get off his high horse! :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 03:57 PM

I've always known the truth about Stevie especially the part about never taking anything she says at face value . . . .

But that is my point, she never said anything that could be miscontrued. She never said "I AM DOING THIS SONG" she instead said she was may or might and was talking about how they were going to plan this. If you read into that as "I am with no ifs and or buts" well that is not really her fault :shrug: And again, she used the video screen, she changed the set list, and we got new and old clothes, which were the things she went on about. That it was not to your liking does not mean she did not do it at all :shrug:

On edit - I am not trying to pick a fight. I am just saying how she did what she said she was going to do and I think she did it the best she could - but to each their own :cool:

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:00 PM

How Still My Love sounds pretty good but she's not NEARLY giving it her all.

I'm sure all this stuff sounded better live. Guess you had to be there to take in the whole experience.

The Tower

05-19-2005, 04:08 PM

I just hate to think that she blatantly lied to us when she did that interview and already knew she wasn't going to do any of the things she said she would.
That's just it- I don't think she blatently lied. I think she's a flake. She doesn't think enough about her fans and what she's saying. It would be one thing if it were a tour, but it was (for lack of a better term) a special performance fer chrissakes! People flew from all over the place and spent bucketloads of money on overpriced Las Vegas for a special experience, as she advertised it. Sadly, it did not live up to her advertising.

The only thing I consider odd is that there obviously were controls on discussing the setlist. Jana Anderson and Sharon both declined to discuss the setlist on the Nicksfix Q & A. While not nefarious, I'm sure the promoters didn't want anything leaked out for fear that fans WOULDN'T fly from all over place to attend the Vegas shows.

dissention

05-19-2005, 04:13 PM

How Still My Love sounds pretty good but she's not NEARLY giving it her all.

Umm...from Tuesday:

"My lonely..."

ONE? Did you forget it, Stevie? ONE! "My lonely one!" Forget the flowers you guys gave her, you should have invested in some gingko.

amber

05-19-2005, 04:13 PM

Umm...from Tuesday:

"My lonely..."

ONE? Did you forget it, Stevie? ONE! "My lonely one!" Forget the flowers you guys gave her, you should have invested in some gingko.
That was an artful omission! :p

dissention

05-19-2005, 04:20 PM

That was an artful omission! :p

But it's the climax to the entire bridge! :laugh:

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:21 PM

Umm...from Tuesday:

"My lonely..."

ONE? Did you forget it, Stevie? ONE! "My lonely one!"

Exactly :nod:. Is that note really that high?! :laugh: Okay, I'll stop or else I'll start ragging on Stevie in a way I'll regret. I just wish she'd take some chances vocally. I guess she was saving it all up for BATB which I might add, was absolutely breathtaking. I got chills, it was gorgeous.

The Tower

05-19-2005, 04:21 PM

She talks about the contrast effect in Sara on the SYW tour and how cool that was - again she did that with IAF.
Not even.

She also says the old clothes are all coming out - well she did that - she wore several older outfits and a stunning new one. Plus she decorated the set with that blue velvet Timespace robe on the piano with the candelabra.
I was okay with the clothes part of it, although it could have been better with some effort.

Granted no boas - boy that was a vicious lie in an attempt to get people to buy tickets.
You're such a little baby sometimes. :laugh: :laugh:

I WAS WRONG
Well, duh. :laugh: :laugh:

But she still never promised it as an absolute.
It's not about it being an absolute, it's about taking care to not lead on your fans and then disappoint. That's all.

Such is life and she still gave a phenomenal show despite any superficial rote set list.
Absolutely. I thought her voice was the best it's been in twenty years. Still, though, wasn't it a certain 6'4" loud, flamboyant man who told me immediately after the end of BATB on Friday night, "It's so frustrating to watch her be so great knowing that she could do that with the rest of the show"? ;)

amber

05-19-2005, 04:21 PM

But it's the climax to the entire bridge! :laugh:
Bridge, smidge. Would you tell bob dylan about his climaxes and bridges? :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:22 PM

But it's the climax to the entire bridge! :laugh:

I think she has done this before in prior concerts - though I have not heard those boots in a long long time. But, leave it to our girl to turn an adjective into a noun - as fast as I can :cool:

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:23 PM

Bridge, smidge. Would you tell bob dylan about his climaxes and bridges? :laugh:

Look, I really don't want to hear about Bob Dylan's climaxes thank you very much! :laugh:

dissention

05-19-2005, 04:25 PM

Look, I really don't want to hear about Bob Dylan's climaxes thank you very much! :laugh:

I know. Talk about churning your stomach. :laugh:

amber

05-19-2005, 04:26 PM

I know. Talk about churning your stomach. :laugh:
Mission accomplished!

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:26 PM

I know. Talk about churning your stomach. :laugh:

LMAO! :laugh:

The Tower

05-19-2005, 04:28 PM

Umm...from Tuesday:

"My lonely..."

ONE? Did you forget it, Stevie? ONE! "My lonely one!" Forget the flowers you guys gave her, you should have invested in some gingko.
Yeah, this was from my review after I got back
Biggest Letdown:

"How Still My Love"-

"But you don't forget me...
Ooo no...you don't forget me
Oooo no... my lonely"

ONE!!!! Hello, Stevie- you forgot the climax of the song....
On Friday night, I was waiting and waiting during that song and then the "my lonely" hit and then ......... {nothing} :mad:

It was infuriating.

dissention

05-19-2005, 04:28 PM

I think she has done this before in prior concerts - though I have not heard those boots in a long long time. But, leave it to our girl to turn an adjective into a noun - as fast as I can :cool:

Man, she could fart in a tin can onstage for you and you'd say the echo is poetry for the ears. :laugh:

I don't care how many times she's done it before, it's still annoying as all get out!

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:29 PM

. . . Absolutely. I thought her voice was the best it's been in twenty years. Still, though, wasn't it a certain 6'4" loud, flamboyant man who told me immediately after the end of BATB on Friday night, "It's so frustrating to watch her be so great knowing that she could do that with the rest of the show"? ;)

THAT was the marg.'s a talkin' :eek:

But, yes, I did say that and stand by it - though I think I meant at other concerts not that one because she gave it her seeming all. The thing with her to me is that when she wants, she can dazzle the socks off of ya. But, then that set list - ugh. If it had been me, which it was not :laugh: - I would have dropped OTR and INTK - and put ROF and TTM in their place. I would also have worked that stage with that mic. - but I know how to do that, maybe she doesn't or is horribly uncomfortable doing that. I would have also used the whole stage instead of that IMO silly platform they built. I also would have, perhaps, dropped HSML and put some cool upbeat never done before song in its place. But, the choice was her's and I enjoyed the show.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:30 PM

Man, she could fart in a tin can onstage for you and you'd say the echo is poetry for the ears. :laugh:

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p

dissention

05-19-2005, 04:30 PM

Yeah, this was from my review after I got back

On Friday night, I was waiting and waiting during that song and then the "my lonely" hit and then ......... {nothing} :mad:

It was infuriating.

:shocked:

Did she sing it at ANY of the shows?

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:31 PM

Man, she could fart in a tin can onstage for you and you'd say the echo is poetry for the ears. :laugh:

Oh jeezus, I'm not going to have any mascara left, (she says wiping away more and more tears)...:laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:31 PM

:shocked:

Did she sing it at ANY of the shows?

I think she has not sang it for a long time. I do not think i have any of the old boots though - my comp. crashed a few years ago :mad:

SuzeQuze

05-19-2005, 04:33 PM

:shocked:

Did she sing it at ANY of the shows?

I really missed that note too and I didn't think it was out of her range/abilities and wondered why she dropped it. Probably because she was worried about hitting the note or hurting her voice but I just don't see it on that note. It isn't that high, and it isn't even that long.

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:33 PM

I would also have worked that stage with that mic. - but I know how to do that

I'm envisioning it now...and lmao at the same time. Sing at weddings did we? :laugh::xoxo: you know I'm teasing...

amber

05-19-2005, 04:33 PM

:shocked:

Did she sing it at ANY of the shows?
I don't know, I didn't really notice that part. So, uh, I'm going to say she DID!

amber

05-19-2005, 04:34 PM

I'm envisioning it now...and lmao at the same time. Sing at weddings did we? :laugh::xoxo: you know I'm teasing...
I don't know what her problem is with walking around - it's way easier. A trained ferret could do it, as far as I can tell.... :shrug: I'm suprised she's never done it.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:37 PM

I'm envisioning it now...and lmao at the same time. Sing at weddings did we? :laugh::xoxo: you know I'm teasing...

Well, if they paid enough -- I'd have done it :laugh:

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:38 PM

I really missed that note too and I didn't think it was out of her range/abilities and wondered why she dropped it. Probably because she was worried about hitting the note or hurting her voice but I just don't see it on that note. It isn't that high, and it isn't even that long.

See that's the thing. We always get the excuse that she doesn't hit the high notes anymore because it might hurt her voice. Well, how fragile is her voice? I mean it's bandied about like her vocal chords are damn faberge eggs! :laugh: Look at the wailers out there still a-wailin' (Robert Plant, Ann Wilson, etc..) they don't seem to be as concerned about this problem as Stevie. It's more the fact that she can't or won't hit the high notes anymore and I don't know why. She did it on TISL so we know it can be done. She works with a vocal coach too!

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:38 PM

I don't know what her problem is with walking around - it's way easier. A trained ferret could do it, as far as I can tell.... :shrug: I'm suprised she's never done it.

I think she did it once on the SA tour - but that is based on memory only :cool:

The Tower

05-19-2005, 04:38 PM

Now I'm orgasmic. OoOhOhhooO.
A pleasure to be of service.... :laugh: :laugh:

glitter_fades

05-19-2005, 04:40 PM

Man, she could fart in a tin can onstage for you and you'd say the echo is poetry for the ears. :laugh:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've gotta go or I'll be PIMP.

It's been a hoot. :woohoo:

To be fair, Jason, I agree with a lot more of your views, (not about her quotes, tho) since Vegas than I did before, but I'm still not a blessed worshiper. 4 shows and 3 seen from as close as 3rd row and I've still never rushed the stage. I guess that still makes me a **** stick when it comes to criticizing Stevie? I haven't been blessed yet.

Just kidding. :D

:wavey: :xoxo:

cliffdweller

05-19-2005, 04:41 PM

I think she did it once on the SA tour - but that is based on memory only :cool:

Yeah, and it's probably margarita memory at that! :p:laugh:

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:41 PM

See that's the thing. We always get the excuse that she doesn't hit the high notes anymore because it might hurt her voice. Well, how fragile is her voice? I mean it's bandied about like her vocal chords are damn faberge eggs! :laugh: Look at the wailers out there still a-wailin' (Robert Plant, Ann Wilson, etc..) they don't seem to be as concerned about this problem as Stevie. It's more the fact that she can't or won't hit the high notes anymore and I don't know why. She did it on TISL so we know it can be done. She works with a vocal coach too!

I think it is the doing it every night that she is scared of. I think she knows she is 57 (almost) year old woman who has been singing on tour essentially every year or so since like 1973. And - she has had a 30 year history of trouble and apparently gets colds easily and has since the 70's. So, not pushing it appears to be her deal. She did, though, in Vegas push it even in the songs other than B&B - but perhaps that was due to the climate controlled environment and no airtravel, which can cause problems. Food for thought.

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:43 PM

Yeah, and it's probably margarita memory at that! :p:laugh:

everybody's a pickin on me :distress:

:D

strandinthewind

05-19-2005, 04:44 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've gotta go or I'll be PIMP.

It's been a hoot. :woohoo:

To be fair, Jason, I agree with a lot more of your views, (not about her quotes, tho) since Vegas than I did before, but I'm still not a blessed worshiper. 4 shows and 3 seen from as close as 3rd row and I've still never rushed the stage. I guess that still makes me a **** stick when it comes to criticizing Stevie? I haven't been blessed yet.

Just kidding. :D

:wavey: :xoxo:

Darlin' I actually agree with most of what you say, its just in the details that the light sabres come out :D