This proves Bush doesnt care about the little guy

[dissention]

gee I wonder why...cause YOUR candidate won!

see thats the thing...if John Kerry would have won...then you wouldn't see this outlash from conservatives saying "It was rigged...we should have won." we would admitt defeat and say..."ok the loser won...we'll get over it."

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You obviously don't know a thing about the neocons, then. That's the most ridiculous and naive statement yet.

[dissention]

But thats the thing...I have said over and over (hey christine pun..lol) that I don't think that ANYONE is beneath ANYONE...we are all equal! PERIOD.

Then why shouldn't we all have the same rights if we're all equal? :confused:

[irishgrl]

have you heard the phrase: Some are more equal than others?
pretty apt Id say.

ps: please see my previous post #506

[dissention]

I’m going to throw in my 2¢. I love my God and enjoy the spiritual relationship I have with my God. I find the PC bible study program I have very fascinating. The bible teaches great values to live by and I believe most of the bible was written having good intentions. The problem with it is, yes man wrote it.

My thoughts on male homosexuals? I’m sorry I don’t understand it. I don’t hate anyone for being a homosexual but damn it men how can you look at another man and find him sexually attractive? I really can not fathom that. As far as a woman finding another woman sexually attractive I can deal with that. :nod: :lol: Strange isn’t it?

The main reason I popped in is to say “ After reading a good bit of this thread I need to talk to my God about what some of you have said.” I’m guilty of having been closed minded about gay males. I still don’t understand you men looking at each other’s winkies. Thinking about it will probably always make my skin crawl but I am seeing your views with a new light tonight.

Like I said “I don’t hate you”, but come on guys. :laugh: The world is full of beautiful women. What the….. :shocked: Why do you….. :shocked: How can you….. :shocked: Ewww. :distress:

Crap I give up. :lol:

I don't think it's something that anyone has to understand. No one needs to understand and know exactly why they're attracted to someone, half the time the person who finds them attracted to another doesn't understand it. I find myself attracted to women and men for different reasons. I don't analyze why that is and, quite frankly, I don't even give a **** myself. As long as I'm happy, that's all that matters.

[dissention]

No facts to back you up, either. Coulter never let that stop her. :shrug:

Oh, I love you, dear. That one made me laugh and spittle all over. :laugh: :xoxo:

[irishgrl]

he said "spittle"! :D

still waiting for feedback on my incredibly pithy post #506! :nod:

[dissention]

I'm still waiting for you to read the UN Charter and to define Daniel Webster's take on self-defense, Brown Eyes. :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

I'm still waiting for you to read the UN Charter and to define Daniel Webster's take on self-defense, Brown Eyes. :laugh:

I have a feeling you will be waiting a long time there Diss :nod:

[SuzeQuze]

he said "spittle"! :D

still waiting for feedback on my incredibly pithy post #506! :nod:

Post #506 is my new bible ;)

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Well I talked to God about a few things last night and I’m not posting the conversation. I will say what I got out of it was “God loves us all the way we are.” Were all sinners and sin is sin. One sin is no worse then the other and my sins are no worse then yours.

I’m sure this is going to sound very stupid to a few of you but it’s my decision. I belong to 2 other message boards. One is a small private board with around 3,000 members. The other has well over 104,000 members. I guess because this board is somewhat small the threads tend to go off in directions I don’t particularly care for. There’s a lot of love here but a lot of picking too. We all have a right to our own opinions but it’s getting old.

I’ll be visiting to catch the band news but I won’t be posting here anymore. It’s been fun but I’m moving on. That’s my decision and mine alone. I wish you all peace and happiness in you’re lives.

I will be adding one more thread to this forum that I found on my private board. It was eye opening and I’ll check back to see your thoughts on it. Take care folks and keep safe. :wavey:

[Hawkeye]

Well I talked to God about a few things last night and I’m not posting the conversation. I will say what I got out of it was “God loves us all the way we are.” Were all sinners and sin is sin. One sin is no worse then the other and my sins are no worse then yours.

I’m sure this is going to sound very stupid to a few of you but it’s my decision. I belong to 2 other message boards. One is a small private board with around 3,000 members. The other has well over 104,000 members. I guess because this board is somewhat small the threads tend to go off in directions I don’t particularly care for. There’s a lot of love here but a lot of picking too. We all have a right to our own opinions but it’s getting old.

I’ll be visiting to catch the band news but I won’t be posting here anymore. It’s been fun but I’m moving on. That’s my decision and mine alone. I wish you all peace and happiness in you’re lives.

I will be adding one more thread to this forum that I found on my private board. It was eye opening and I’ll check back to see your thoughts on it. Take care folks and keep safe. :wavey:

Huh, you're responsible most of the time for threads going in different direction and now it bothers you :confused:

And tell me more about this conversation with god, did you actually hear words. I've always wondered about those people, I've tried to do that before but don't hear a dnam thing. Jesse Duplantis (a christian preacher I LOVE) talks about that all the time too, but I've had no luck.

[irishgrl]

I think 1/2 Insane said some really gracious things, and should get credit for them. Bowing out with class is never a bad thing!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:wavey: :wavey:

Proud Catholic on this board who has disagreed with pretty much EVERYTHING that BrwnEyes or whatever has said...

what he/she has said, to me, ipitomizes all that is wrong with the Catholic Church and its antiquated views on the world....why do I remain a Catholic?

There are good things about it (social justice issues) and I do like the traditions and I have a personal spiritual relationship with myself and God - in no way should any of my views be imposed on anyone...

eh - there's SO much I want to say - but just can't sit here at type all of it - it's frightening though that such ignorance, hatred and such exist and are carried out in the guise of religion - people like that are missing the whole point...

Im so glad you are a Golden Girls fan...best show in the world!

but about being Catholic...im 100% proud catholic...but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage

[amber]

Im so glad you are a Golden Girls fan...best show in the world!

but about being Catholic...im 100% proud catholic...but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage
Ooooo, You're brave! that's good.
I won't argue with you, now.
I believe i forgot to say: Welcome to the Ledge! :wavey: Last night. :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ooooo, You're brave! that's good.
I won't argue with you, now.
I believe i forgot to say: Welcome to the Ledge! :wavey: Last night. :D

Thank you much! :-)

What did you mean by me being brave....? lol

[amber]

Thank you much! :-)

What did you mean by me being brave....? lol
well, you saw the onslought of arguments against your position last night, I suspect Deanna may argue again, and maybe some other people. So, I meant, after all the people who argued with you, you're brave to post about your position again. To tell the truth, this place is very liberal. Not everyone, but i would say the majority. And many are very passionate about their views. And i would daresay you may find people who agree with you here veeery few and far between. And many post political things often, and talk about them. They are mostly liberal.
But, you were not put off. That's what i meant. :D
But, we all love FM. :thumbsup:
Welcome again... :)

[irishgrl]

but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage
I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house! :eek:

[amber]

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house! :eek:
ooo, I didn't read the biblio! That's really interesting! But there is so many misdeeds the Catholic church has committed since the dawn of it, it's really staggering. right up till last week, too. :eek:
On a sidenote...wow! An Irish girl who's not Catholic! LOL. I am half Italian, quarter Irish, quarter french and Native Am. I was baptized Catholic, but not raised with it. But my dad was an alter boy, and sometimes he still says: "well, it's the oldest religion..." :confused: :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

im 100% proud catholic...but perhaps you need to refresh up on what the chruch actually does teach about gay marriage

The Vatican charged Galileo, at the time 68 years old, with heresy for teaching the Copernican theory, which contradicted the bible.
With the threat of torture, the Vatican forced Galileo to confess that he had been wrong when he stated the Earth revolved around the Sun.

It wasn't until 1992... 350 years after his death... that the Vatican finally cleared Galileo of wrongdoing.

The moral of the story... the Catholic Church isn't always right.
Something to think about. :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house! :eek:

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

The Vatican charged Galileo, at the time 68 years old, with heresy for teaching the Copernican theory, which contradicted the bible.
With the threat of torture, the Vatican forced Galileo to confess that he had been wrong when he stated the Earth revolved around the Sun.

It wasn't until 1992... 350 years after his death... that the Vatican finally cleared Galileo of wrongdoing.

The moral of the story... the Catholic Church isn't always right.
Something to think about. :nod:

I'm not an idiot I realize that...The Pope could come out tomorrow and announce who he thinks will go to the super bowl and win...and he'd probably end up being DEAD WRONG! ONLY on matters of faith (when the Holy Father speaks excathedra) are we required to accept the teachings...wheather the world is round or flat...is not a matter of faith but opinion...and the church was DEAD wrong at that time...but it is the faith of the people that in matters of faith the chruch is guided by the Holy Spirit and correct!

[GypsySorcerer]

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6)

You're missing the point - one cannot use the Bible to legislate.

Theologically, your facts are sketchy, too. The Bible mentions nothing of homosexual marriage and nothing about how we understand homosexuality today. Those Scriptures have been widely regarded to condemn rape and adult/child sex, not homosexuality.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're missing the point - one cannot use the Bible to legislate.

Theologically, your facts are sketchy, too. The Bible mentions nothing of homosexual marriage and nothing about how we understand homosexuality today. Those Scriptures have been widely regarded to condemn rape and adult/child sex, not homosexuality.

Hey I was just presenting some scripture which is what was asked for...how you view it is how you choose to!

[GypsySorcerer]

Hey I was just presenting some scripture which is what was asked for...how you view it is how you choose to!

Exactly - the Bible is up for interpretation. There is no "one right way" to view the Bible. Just like there is no "one right religion."

[Johnny Stew]

Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6)

Timothy 2:8-15 — I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Shall we talk further on how the bible states that woman should always be lowly to men? How they should not work outside of the house, nor even so much as teach Sunday School?

How closely do you follow those particular passages of the bible, personally? Does the Biblical ideal of women being submissive to men seem terribly antiquated and sexist to you? Or are you completely comfortable with it, "because it's what the bible says"?

[GypsySorcerer]

Timothy 2:8-11 — I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

Timothy 3:14,15; 2:11-15 — Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Shall we talk further on how the bible states that woman should always be lowly to men? How they should not work outside of the house, nor even so much as teach Sunday School?

How closely do you follow those particular passages of the bible, personally? Does the Biblical ideal of women being submissive to men seem terribly antiquated and sexist to you? Or are you completely comfortable with it, "because it's what the bible says"?

Not to mention allowing polygamy and allowing children to marry.

[estranged4life]

Austin 3:16 says I done whooped yer ass...And that's the bottom line cause Stone Cold said so...(Insert double single digit birds for everyone!) :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Timothy 2:8-15 — I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Shall we talk further on how the bible states that woman should always be lowly to men? How they should not work outside of the house, nor even so much as teach Sunday School?

How closely do you follow those particular passages of the bible, personally? Does the Biblical ideal of women being submissive to men seem terribly antiquated and sexist to you? Or are you completely comfortable with it, "because it's what the bible says"?

Women are supposed to submit to their husband...but that doesen't mean that they are SLAVES and can't have their own life opinion or view! and btw the man has to submit to someone too (GOD!)

[amber]

Women are supposed to submit to their husband...but that doesen't mean that they are SLAVES and can't have their own life opinion or view! and btw the man has to submit to someone too (GOD!)
well, that means you are taking some parts of the bible literally, and others you're just making up the meaning yourself. Is everything true, or not?

[SuzeQuze]

Women are supposed to submit to their husband...but that doesen't mean that they are SLAVES and can't have their own life opinion or view! and btw the man has to submit to someone too (GOD!)

Go ahead and submit then when you get married. I will not. I will "love, honor, and cherish" though.

[Johnny Stew]

Women are supposed to submit to their husband...but that doesen't mean that they are SLAVES and can't have their own life opinion or view! and btw the man has to submit to someone too (GOD!)

But that's not exactly the whole story. According to the bible, women are not merely to submit to their husbands, but they are also not to dress immodestly, nor are they to work outside of the house, nor are they to be teachers, or church leaders, etc.

By the way, Leviticus condones the possession of slaves, male or female. So long as they're purchased from neighboring nations.

[dissention]

By the way, Leviticus condones the possession of slaves, male or female. So long as they're purchased from neighboring nations.

I need a maid, maybe I should go buy one in Mexico. :rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

Women are supposed to submit to their husband...but that doesen't mean that they are SLAVES and can't have their own life opinion or view! and btw the man has to submit to someone too (GOD!)

Deb what she thought of this and her reply was "whatever" :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

Deb what she thought of this and her reply was "whatever" :rolleyes:

:laugh: Props, Deb! :wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

I asked my wife Deb what she thought of this and her reply was "whatever" :rolleyes:

I'm tellin' ya! :laugh:

I bet my very devoted Italian-Catholic mother would have a good laugh, too, if someone suggested she should be submissive to my father.
That Submissive Woman stuff hasn't flown since the first few decades of the 1900s!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

But that's not exactly the whole story. According to the bible, women are not merely to submit to their husbands, but they are also not to dress immodestly, nor are they to work outside of the house, nor are they to be teachers, or church leaders, etc.

By the way, Leviticus condones the possession of slaves, male or female. So long as they're purchased from neighboring nations.

Well you also have to read scripture in reference to the time it was written. It has meanings and application for today...but also it was written specifically for peoples of the times...things do change and doctorine does develope over time...

but common foundations of truth such as...man shall not lie with man...isn't something you can change...you can't say "well this only applied to them back then because...."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm tellin' ya! :laugh:

I bet my very devoted Italian-Catholic mother would have a good laugh, too, if someone suggested she should be submissive to my father.
That Submissive Woman stuff hasn't flown since the first few decades of the 1900s!

well cause you are not lookin at what submitting to the husband really means...Women still have a say...they have opinions, views, and a say so in everything...it dosent mean for women to be slaves!!!! thats craziness.

[amber]

Well you also have to read scripture in reference to the time it was written. It has meanings and application for today...but also it was written specifically for peoples of the times...things do change and doctorine does develope over time...

but common foundations of truth such as...man shall not lie with man...isn't something you can change...you can't say "well this only applied to them back then because...."
Again, then you are picking and choosing what is true from the bible. How can you justify that? man shouldn't lie with man isn't in keeping with our times either. You can't just pick and choose what parts of the bible are the truth. :confused:

[Johnny Stew]

Well you also have to read scripture in reference to the time it was written. It has meanings and application for today...but also it was written specifically for peoples of the times...things do change and doctorine does develope over time...

but common foundations of truth such as...man shall not lie with man...isn't something you can change...you can't say "well this only applied to them back then because...."

But I don't understand why we get to pick and choose.
If it's stated in the bible, should it not be followed?

How is it decided what's appropriate to follow, and what can be dismissed because of the era in which it was written?

Is it not possible that the views of that time influenced the human males who wrote the bible, to apparently comment as unfavorably about homosexuality as they did in regards to women's roles in society?

How, exactly, is it determined what is a "common foundation of truth," and what's merely an archaic viewpoint made by men whose worlds were very small in scope?

Again, I do not see a single word in the Ten Commandments regarding homosexuality. I would think that God's Commandments should be the ultimate foundations of truth. Everything else stated in the bible by Paul, Matthew, etc., etc., is merely an interpretation or an opinion.

[Hawkeye]

Deb what she thought of this and her reply was "whatever" :rolleyes:

You mean you don't sleb around every onece and awhile :laugh: I'm shocked

[amber]

But I don't understand why we get to pick and choose.
If it's stated in the bible, should it not be followed?

How is it decided what's appropriate to follow, and what can be dismissed because of the era in which it was written?

Is it not possible that the views of that time influenced the human males who wrote the bible, to apparently comment as unfavorably about homosexuality as they did in regards to women's roles in society?

How, exactly, is it determined what is a "common foundation of truth," and what's merely an archaic viewpoint made by men whose worlds were very small in scope?

Again, I do not see a single word in the Ten Commandments regarding homosexuality. I would think that God's Commandments should be the ultimate foundations of truth. Everything else stated in the bible by Paul, Matthew, etc., etc., is merely an interpretation or an opinion.
Ha ha, TWINS! (you being the more eloquent and Bible knowleadgeable twin...)
Again, then you are picking and choosing what is true from the bible. How can you justify that? man shouldn't lie with man isn't in keeping with our times either. You can't just pick and choose what parts of the bible are the truth.

[Johnny Stew]

well cause you are not lookin at what submitting to the husband really means...Women still have a say...they have opinions, views, and a say so in everything...it dosent mean for women to be slaves!!!! thats craziness.

Ahh... but according to the bible, women are NOT to have a say. They are not to have an opinion.
The will of their husband, according to the bible, is tantamount to law.

I bet the world would be VERY different indeed, if the bible had been written by Martha, Marcy, Lucy and Johnette.

[estranged4life]

I'm tellin' ya! :laugh:

I bet my very devoted Italian-Catholic mother would have a good laugh, too, if someone suggested she should be submissive to my father.

That Submissive Woman stuff hasn't flown since the first few decades of the 1900s!

was known for throwing 1200 lbs (!!!!) carts full of laundry off 8' loading docks in a fit of rage, These same 1200 lb. carts that huge muscular men could barely push...Do ya think she would submit to a man? Especially a drunken ex-boyfriend who physically hit her to suffer the following embarrassing (But funny to me) bits of bodily harm??? Nah, not my Mother, She is a nice caring person until ya piss her off (My older brother Geary & myself inherited our Mother sick sense of humor and very short temper & her way with words) then ya will suffer the same fate as _____ (I wont post the a-hole drunken dillweed's name here) did:

#1-______ was shot in the ass with a .22 caliber rifle (My Mother is also a great markmans) after my Mom did target practice on him after he threw a punch at her...(Famous lines from that day: _____ (Drunken a-hole)-"Brian, get that gun away from that crazy woman"...My beloved Mom (To me)-"Move it or lose it"...Me (To drunken ____)-"Ya expect me to pull a gun away from a pissed woman? You're on yer own" :nod: )

#2-_____ had his...uh...well...ummm...go-nads squeezed in a pair of pliers that my Mom had in her hands as he tried to punch her in a shopping center parking lot when he was caught with another woman (And for the record, There was NO CHANCE in HELL of me helping that living sack of ****, he was ON HIS OWN that day, Nads in a pair of pliers & his face being beaten to a bloody pulp at the same time by dear ol
' Mom...But I wished I had a video camera then, The look on the Tahlequah PD's faces was classic when they arrived to the parking lot disturbance (The woman that _____ was withh, Well my dear ol' Mum broke that woman's face up) saw the pliers and what they were squeezed upon!!! You guys know that look, it's the look ya make when some other poor schmuck/guy gets nailed in the 'jewels' extremely hard!!!) This is a true story...My family is a slightly insane but somewhat loving bunch!!! :thumbsup:

[estranged4life]

You mean you don't sleb around every onece and awhile :laugh: I'm shocked

What is sleb??? My wife is the Queen Bee in this household...I'm just her enforcer/body guard!!!!

[Johnny Stew]

was known for throwing 1200 lbs (!!!!) carts full of laundry off 8' loading docks in a fit of rage, These same 1200 lb. carts that huge muscular men could barely push...Do ya think she would submit to a man?

That's what I love, Brian... a STRONG woman, who isn't about to take guff from ANY man, no matter what society (or religion) might say to the contrary. :nod:

LOVED the pliers story! :laugh:

[amber]

was known for throwing 1200 lbs (!!!!) carts full of laundry off 8' loading docks in a fit of rage, These same 1200 lb. carts that huge muscular men could barely push...Do ya think she would submit to a man? Especially a drunken ex-boyfriend who physically hit her to suffer the following embarrassing (But funny to me) bits of bodily harm??? Nah, not my Mother, She is a nice caring person until ya piss her off (My older brother Geary & myself inherited our Mother sick sense of humor and very short temper & her way with words) then ya will suffer the same fate as _____ (I wont post the a-hole drunken dillweed's name here) did:

#1-______ was shot in the ass with a .22 caliber rifle (My Mother is also a great markmans) after my Mom did target practice on him after he threw a punch at her...(Famous lines from that day: _____ (Drunken a-hole)-"Brian, get that gun away from that crazy woman"...My beloved Mom (To me)-"Move it or lose it"...Me (To drunken ____)-"Ya expect me to pull a gun away from a pissed woman? You're on yer own" :nod: )

#2-_____ had his...uh...well...ummm...go-nads squeezed in a pair of pliers that my Mom had in her hands as he tried to punch her in a shopping center parking lot when he was caught with another woman (And for the record, There was NO CHANCE in HELL of me helping that living sack of ****, he was ON HIS OWN that day, Nads in a pair of pliers & his face being beaten to a bloody pulp at the same time by dear ol
' Mom...But I wished I had a video camera then, The look on the Tahlequah PD's faces was classic when they arrived to the parking lot disturbance (The woman that _____ was withh, Well my dear ol' Mum broke that woman's face up) saw the pliers and what they were squeezed upon!!! You guys know that look, it's the look ya make when some other poor schmuck/guy gets nailed in the 'jewels' extremely hard!!!) This is a true story...My family is a slightly insane but somewhat loving bunch!!! :thumbsup:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
Wow...It's like we have the same Mom...
:xoxo: to Brian.
when i was 3, i remember mine calling the police on my dad who showed up to visit me, but Drunk...late at night...she said..."I don't know this man, he is trying to break in" :laugh: :laugh:
don't worry, he came over the next day, sober, all was well.... :laugh:

[estranged4life]

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
Wow...It's like we have the same Mom...
:xoxo: to Brian.
when i was 3, i remember mine calling the police on my dad who showed up to visit me, but Drunk...late at night...she said..."I don't know this man, he is trying to break in" :laugh: :laugh:
don't worry, he came over the next day, sober, all was well.... :laugh:

noone is lucky to have my Mother as a Mom...

She is the only person I know who has the sense of humor and sewed that asshole _____ into a sheet and beat his ass with an aluminum baseball :rolleyes:

She is also the only I know who was pulled over by the OHP (Oklahoma Highway Patrol) for going 170MPH in a 55MPH zone and get not even a ticket or a warning cause Mr.Fuzz wanted to know 3 things-

#1 What size motor did her 1976 Pontiac Trans-Am have (454 Chevy V8 block w/out turbo...The fastest car in Eastern Oklahoma in the late 70's)

#2 Would she like to drag him in him POS black T-Top 1980 Pontiac Bandit Edition Turbo Trans Am for pink slip while his fellow patrolmen watched and made sure noone was hurt (Let's say he ate crow when his own Patrol group laughed his ass off after Mom ANNIHILATED his ass and he wouldnt part with the precious pink slip for that POS...As dear ol' Mom loves to say "Hey Bud, Put up or shut the f**k up")

Finally #3 What's size bra cup my Mom had cause he loved what he saw! (Dude...Sheesh, It's hella sick when it was said to my Mom!!! Which happened daily in my pre-teen days...My Mom was indeed the like the song "Blonde in the blue T-bird"...Except her Trans Am was bright banana yellow!)

[amber]

noone is lucky to have my Mother as a Mom...

She is the only person I know who has the sense of humor and sewed that asshole _____ into a sheet and beat his ass with an aluminum baseball :rolleyes:

She is also the only I know who was pulled over by the OHP (Oklahoma Highway Patrol) for going 170MPH in a 55MPH zone and get not even a ticket or a warning cause Mr.Fuzz wanted to know 3 things-

#1 What size motor did her 1976 Pontiac Trans-Am have (454 Chevy V8 block w/out turbo...The fastest car in Eastern Oklahoma in the late 70's)

#2 Would she like to drag him in him POS black T-Top 1980 Pontiac Bandit Edition Turbo Trans Am for pink slip while his fellow patrolmen watched and made sure noone was hurt (Let's say he ate crow when his own Patrol group laughed his ass off after Mom ANNIHILATED his ass and he wouldnt part with the precious pink slip for that POS...As dear ol' Mom loves to say "Hey Bud, Put up or shut the f**k up")

Finally #3 What's size bra cup my Mom had cause he loved what he saw! (Dude...Sheesh, It's hella sick when it was said to my Mom!!! Which happened daily in my pre-teen days...My Mom was indeed the like the song "Blonde in the blue T-bird"...Except her Trans Am was bright banana yellow!)
:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:

[irishgrl]

I asked for proof that GOD said there was to be no homosexuality. The short answer is HE DIDNT. The only references you found were written by PEOPLE. God made us all the way we ARE. And if the CHURCH is so GUNG HO against homosexuality, why the hell did it allow GENERATIONS of priests to abuse little boys? Give me a break! All this Bible Thumping is a bunch of CRAP. And trying to foist YOUR particular beliefs on the rest of the country is a form of Religious Tyranny

[The Tower]

So, I've read this whole thing (why, I honestly couldn't tell you- morbid curiosity, most likely) and here's my five cents.

1) The Catholic Church is one of the most evil organizations to ever exist on this planet. Anyone who thinks that they can participate in any of its forms, tangents, etc. and NOT be contributing to evil is just plain stupid. One can disagree with that statement all day long and it won't matter- facts are facts.

2) Who the hell cares what the bible says? I don't think there is a need to justify whether or not the bible condones gay marriage. The bible is a piece of ****. Just chuck the whole thing. It has as much relevance in today's life as the stories of the Iliad or the Odyssey.

3) "Brwn_eyes0511" is a troll- and a moronic one at that. Trying to argue with or dissuade someone that is so obviously stupid is a waste of time. Continuing to say "I don't want anyone to get angry" and the rest of it, all the while continuing to post that ignorant drivel that is so obviously targeted to make people angry is just ludicrous.

Hugs and kisses all around!! ;) :rolleyes:

Signed,

The Tower - Card Carrying Sodomite.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So, I've read this whole thing (why, I honestly couldn't tell you- morbid curiosity, most likely) and here's my five cents.

1) The Catholic Church is one of the most evil organizations to ever exist on this planet. Anyone who thinks that they can participate in any of its forms, tangents, etc. and NOT be contributing to evil is just plain stupid. One can disagree with that statement all day long and it won't matter- facts are facts.

2) Who the hell cares what the bible says? I don't think there is a need to justify whether or not the bible condones gay marriage. The bible is a piece of ****. Just chuck the whole thing. It has as much relevance in today's life as the stories of the Iliad or the Odyssey.

3) "Brwn_eyes0511" is a troll- and a moronic one at that. Trying to argue with or dissuade someone that is so obviously stupid is a waste of time. Continuing to say "I don't want anyone to get angry" and the rest of it, all the while continuing to post that ignorant drivel that is so obviously targeted to make people angry is just ludicrous.

Hugs and kisses all around!! ;) :rolleyes:

Signed,

The Tower - Card Carrying Sodomite.

I'm obviously doing my job then...folks have resorted to name calling (and pathetic name calling at that...troll...wtf? LOL :laugh: )

[The Tower]

I'm obviously doing my job then...folks have resorted to name calling (and pathetic name calling at that...troll...wtf? LOL :laugh: )

Yawn.


troll

n 1: Slang. An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yawn.


troll

n 1: Slang. An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

Very good. I actually have to say that I didn't realize what the meaning of that word actually was. Thank you.

But again, when liberals resort to name calling, I know that at least somebody's buttons are being pushed, which is a good thing! ;)

[BTFLCHLD]

another yawn :rolleyes:

[DrummerDeanna]

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house! :eek:

Ha - yeah pretty much ditto.

The Catholic Church as it is now is run by men - it is an archaic institution and I do not follow ALL of its teachings. I'm not a papist - I don't think the Vatican or Pope serve any true purpose actually....except politcal games and all sorts of freaky stuff...

I've actually not read the Da Vinci Code yet - but will when it comes out in Paperback :p

[dissention]

But again, when liberals resort to name calling, I know that at least somebody's buttons are being pushed, which is a good thing! ;)

As opposed to Ann Coulter? Let's run down her list of namecalling:

Jim Jeffords is a "half-wit."
Christie Whitman is a "birdbrain."
Christie Whitman is a "dim-wit."
Susan Collins is a "half-wit."
Gerald Ford was "a little dumb."
Katie Couric is "an airhead."
Katie Couric is an "affable Eva Braun."
Gary Johnson is "truly stupid."
Adlai Stevenson was "a boob."

It must be nice to be so blind. :D

[The Tower]

But again, when liberals resort to name calling, I know that at least somebody's buttons are being pushed, which is a good thing! ;)

I have no buttons to push, and even if I did, you certainly don't have the wherewithal to accomplish the task.

I am, however, to some small degree enjoying witnessing your display of ignorance.

[DrummerDeanna]

I have no buttons to push, and even if I did, you certainly don't have the wherewithal to accomplish the task.

I am, however, to some small degree enjoying witnessing your display of ignorance.

It's just appaling to me that there are still (many) people in the world who feel the way brwneyes or whatever does...:shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's just appaling to me that there are still (many) people in the world who feel the way brwneyes or whatever does...:shrug:

I know its odd isn't it...they call us Americans.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I have no buttons to push, and even if I did, you certainly don't have the wherewithal to accomplish the task.

I am, however, to some small degree enjoying witnessing your display of ignorance.

glad you enjoy the show. ;)

[gldstwmn]

I have no buttons to push, and even if I did, you certainly don't have the wherewithal to accomplish the task.

I am, however, to some small degree enjoying witnessing your display of ignorance.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dissention]

I know its odd isn't it...they call us Americans.

Well, ****, David Bowie was right. Be afraid of Americans. o_O

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well, ****, David Bowie was right. Be afraid of Americans. o_O


I dislike being an American. I really do. :rolleyes:

[DrummerDeanna]

I know its odd isn't it...they call us Americans.

And people like you are the reason a bunch of people in this world HATE Americans.

I am an American. I love America and that's why I HATE Bush and that's why I hated the crap that the religious right is trying to pull in this coutry - they and you may not hate America but they sure as hell seem to hate Americans who (at least the ones who are not white/upper class/christian)

[dissention]

I dislike being an American. I really do. :rolleyes:

I don't, I love being an American. What I dislike are the Americans who have no clue what this country is about and the Americans who think the world was built for them. I also greatly dislike ignorant Americans, but our country is filled to the brim with them. They need a couple of swift kicks in the ass.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I don't, I love being an American. What I dislike are the Americans who have no clue what this country is about and the Americans who think the world was built for them. I also greatly dislike ignorant Americans, but our country is filled to the brim with them. They need a couple of swift kicks in the ass.


Which affects me....When I go out of the country, I'm sterotyped as a bully, ignorant American. I don't want to be classified as an American if that is the case.

[SuzeQuze]

Which affects me....When I go out of the country, I'm sterotyped as a bully, ignorant American. I don't want to be classified as an American if that is the case.

This may be true. However, as soon as you open your mouth you will dissuade them of this view. You can <i>REPRESENT!</i> (hits chest). Remember, that "we're sorry" site has let the world know that not ALL Americans are ignorant bullies who hate poor people, foreigners, and the environment.

[wondergirl9847]

Evil, bad people can do honorable things. It's human nature. We aren't 2D...we are 3D.

There are evil, bad people everywhere, not just America.

The world is not black and white.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Evil, bad people can do honorable things. It's human nature. We aren't 2D...we are 3D.

There are evil, bad people everywhere, not just America.

The world is not black and white.


Exactly. That's the reason why we shouldn't bash France or all of the Muslims. Makes me sad......

[dissention]

Evil, bad people can do honorable things. It's human nature. We aren't 2D...we are 3D.

There are evil, bad people everywhere, not just America.

The world is not black and white.

Yes, Christy, but unfortunately, we're the ones who dominate the world and we're the only superpower. :woohoo:

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Topic: Are homosexuals born that way? A post by a homosexual from a different message board.

I don’t know about being genetic, I think it is a combination of factors (genetic, hormonal, environmental etc). I am gay, and remember being that way a long time ago when I was really young (maybe 5-7). I told my family I was gay at 16 and it hurt my dad but he loves me. I could tell he judged me by the way he sees a lot of other gays acting out their homosexuality. They flit around making sure everyone else knows their gay. They dress the part and it’s annoying to me.

I, too, do not understand why gays act so weird and feminine, as I have never had any inclination towards that behavior. The gay community I live in frowns upon the flamboyant loudmouth gays we refer to as fags. We see them as a danger to the gay community. I act like a normal dude and no one bothers me. I don’t feel I have to run around telling everyone I’m gay and I certainly don’t act like a queer or fag. Just like a heterosexual doesn’t run around making it known their straight. I’m like any guy in every aspect except that I prefer men. On the other hand, I think because I am gay I have more of a feminine mind-set (compassionate, non-ego central etc) and I am appreciative of this.

Overall, it really is a pain in the ass. The prospect of spending my life rejected by most of the world is crushing, yet the social repercussions of coming out to everyone I meet telling them I’m gay or acting gay even on this message board is something I don’t feel I need to do on a daily basis. Its no wonder straight people frown on us and don’t want us around children. If you going to act like a fag in front of everyone you deserve the punishment you attract.

TJ

[ontheEdgeof17]

Topic: Are homosexuals born that way? A post by a homosexual from a different message board.

I don’t know about being genetic, I think it is a combination of factors (genetic, hormonal, environmental etc). I am gay, and remember being that way a long time ago when I was really young (maybe 5-7). I told my family I was gay at 16 and it hurt my dad but he loves me. I could tell he judged me by the way he sees a lot of other gays acting out their homosexuality. They flit around making sure everyone else knows their gay. They dress the part and it’s annoying to me.

I, too, do not understand why gays act so weird and feminine, as I have never had any inclination towards that behavior. The gay community I live in frowns upon the flamboyant loudmouth gays we refer to as fags. We see them as a danger to the gay community. I act like a normal dude and no one bothers me. I don’t feel I have to run around telling everyone I’m gay and I certainly don’t act like a queer or fag. Just like a heterosexual doesn’t run around making it known their straight. I’m like any guy in every aspect except that I prefer men. On the other hand, I think because I am gay I have more of a feminine mind-set (compassionate, non-ego central etc) and I am appreciative of this.

Overall, it really is a pain in the ass. The prospect of spending my life rejected by most of the world is crushing, yet the social repercussions of coming out to everyone I meet telling them I’m gay or acting gay even on this message board is something I don’t feel I need to do on a daily basis. Its no wonder straight people frown on us and don’t want us around children. If you going to act like a fag in front of everyone you deserve the punishment you attract.

TJ


:shrug: Why this post? You trying to say something here?

[dissention]

Topic: Are homosexuals born that way? A post by a homosexual from a different message board.

I don’t know about being genetic, I think it is a combination of factors (genetic, hormonal, environmental etc). I am gay, and remember being that way a long time ago when I was really young (maybe 5-7). I told my family I was gay at 16 and it hurt my dad but he loves me. I could tell he judged me by the way he sees a lot of other gays acting out their homosexuality. They flit around making sure everyone else knows their gay. They dress the part and it’s annoying to me.

I, too, do not understand why gays act so weird and feminine, as I have never had any inclination towards that behavior. The gay community I live in frowns upon the flamboyant loudmouth gays we refer to as fags. We see them as a danger to the gay community. I act like a normal dude and no one bothers me. I don’t feel I have to run around telling everyone I’m gay and I certainly don’t act like a queer or fag. Just like a heterosexual doesn’t run around making it known their straight. I’m like any guy in every aspect except that I prefer men. On the other hand, I think because I am gay I have more of a feminine mind-set (compassionate, non-ego central etc) and I am appreciative of this.

Overall, it really is a pain in the ass. The prospect of spending my life rejected by most of the world is crushing, yet the social repercussions of coming out to everyone I meet telling them I’m gay or acting gay even on this message board is something I don’t feel I need to do on a daily basis. Its no wonder straight people frown on us and don’t want us around children. If you going to act like a fag in front of everyone you deserve the punishment you attract.

TJ

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Fags of The Ledge unite. Put down the mineral water, turn Liza off, and stop coiffing that fabulous hair. You're too gay! :rolleyes:

[SuzeQuze]

Geez. How awful and hateful. That's like saying a woman who dresses like a skanky whore deserves to be raped. That's just absurd and disgusting, IMO. Some people's personalities are just more flamboyant than others. This doesn't mean they are "asking for" anything.

[Johnny Stew]

I admit I sometimes cringe when I see the more flamboyant of us, because, yes, I admit that I think it can hurt the progress we're trying to make across America (not just on the more liberal coasts). It frustrates me when I see all homosexuals being lumped into some stereotype, and it frustrates me even more when I see guys who purposely seem to play up that stereotype. (I'm talking about when gay men do something completely for the shock-value, rather than because they genuinely act or feel that way.)

But shouldn't a person be allowed to be themselves?
We're always trying to categorize people, and fit them into our nice, neat little boxes.

Some gay men are flamboyant, but certainly not all of us.
Some straight men are sexist neanderthals, but certainly not all of them.

We should be proud of who WE are, and worry about the kind of person WE are... not worried about the kind of person the guy up the street is, or how his behaviour might make us look.

[markolas]

Topic: Are homosexuals born that way? A post by a homosexual from a different message board.

I don’t know about being genetic, I think it is a combination of factors (genetic, hormonal, environmental etc). I am gay, and remember being that way a long time ago when I was really young (maybe 5-7). I told my family I was gay at 16 and it hurt my dad but he loves me. I could tell he judged me by the way he sees a lot of other gays acting out their homosexuality. They flit around making sure everyone else knows their gay. They dress the part and it’s annoying to me.

I, too, do not understand why gays act so weird and feminine, as I have never had any inclination towards that behavior. The gay community I live in frowns upon the flamboyant loudmouth gays we refer to as fags. We see them as a danger to the gay community. I act like a normal dude and no one bothers me. I don’t feel I have to run around telling everyone I’m gay and I certainly don’t act like a queer or fag. Just like a heterosexual doesn’t run around making it known their straight. I’m like any guy in every aspect except that I prefer men. On the other hand, I think because I am gay I have more of a feminine mind-set (compassionate, non-ego central etc) and I am appreciative of this.

Overall, it really is a pain in the ass. The prospect of spending my life rejected by most of the world is crushing, yet the social repercussions of coming out to everyone I meet telling them I’m gay or acting gay even on this message board is something I don’t feel I need to do on a daily basis. Its no wonder straight people frown on us and don’t want us around children. If you going to act like a fag in front of everyone you deserve the punishment you attract.

TJ

Can you say "internalized homophobia"?

[markolas]

Geez. How awful and hateful. That's like saying a woman who dresses like a skanky whore deserves to be raped.

Yes, that's exactly what it's like saying. The guy needs to get some counseling. He's obviously got some real hang-ups.

[estranged4life]

I had a French music trader once asked would it be a problem for me as an American to be trading music with a Frenchman since our country 'supposedly' hates the French...

No, was my answer...The US government doesnt NOT represent me, And I see no problem trading with any resident of France.

I did feel embarrassed as American that day :(

[markolas]

Oh, geez...bible crap. I should probably stay away from this thread. :rolleyes:

[Johnny Stew]

I can't dismiss the bible out of hand, because I think a lot of good advice (in the form of parables) can be found in its pages.

Just as with guns, alcohol, the internet, etc., it's the people who use these things, who have the power to abuse and corrupt them.
And the same goes for the bible... it's "just a book," for all intents and purposes. How one uses it is where the problem often arises.

[markolas]

I can't dismiss the bible out of hand, because I think a lot of good advice (in the form of parables) can be found in its pages.

It might have some good advice, but I decided, especially after I began practicing Buddhism, that it's too much trouble to squeeze out whatever redeeming qualities it might have. :)

I understand that a lot of people (gay folks, even) have cultural ties to the bible/Christianity, but I honestly don't feel any...so I more or less try to just leave it alone.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Geez. How awful and hateful. That's like saying a woman who dresses like a skanky whore deserves to be raped. That's just absurd and disgusting, IMO. Some people's personalities are just more flamboyant than others. This doesn't mean they are "asking for" anything.How is what he said “awful and hateful”. He gave an opinion from his gay point of view. If you’re talking about the avatar? Heck it’s an avatar? I think it’s funny. I’ve already had to remove 2 avatars because certain people here are to sensitive. If they can’t handle a little avatar they have a rough life ahead of them.

(That's like saying a woman who dresses like a skanky whore deserves to be raped.)
I don’t know where you saw something like that said in his opinion. You might have read it wrong?

I posted his opinion because I agree with the views he has on the way some gays act. They go overboard with feeling the need to make sure everyone knows they’re gay.

I’m certainly aware I’ve flirted on this board and had my straight moments of fun but it got real old after a fricking month of it. Not only was I getting tired of it but I’m sure other viewers were getting tired of it too so I stopped. Then I get PM’s asking if I’ve had a lovers quarrel with this and that member. Damn this place is like a soap opera.

The reason I started this thread is because this board does have a pecking order. Look at the hot topic threads here. Click on the post count number to the right. It shows you who posted and how many times. Look at the thread and its content. You’ll see the pecking order. It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

[DrummerDeanna]

How is what he said “awful and hateful”. He gave an opinion from his gay point of view. If you’re talking about the avatar? Heck it’s an avatar? I think it’s funny. I’ve already had to remove 2 avatars because certain people here are to sensitive. If they can’t handle a little avatar they have a rough life ahead of them.

(That's like saying a woman who dresses like a skanky whore deserves to be raped.)
I don’t know where you saw something like that said in his opinion. You might have read it wrong?

I posted his opinion because I agree with the views he has on the way some gays act. They go overboard with feeling the need to make sure everyone knows they’re gay.

I’m certainly aware I’ve flirted on this board and had my straight moments of fun but it got real old after a fricking month of it. Not only was I getting tired of it but I’m sure other viewers were getting tired of it too so I stopped. Then I get PM’s asking if I’ve had a lovers quarrel with this and that member. Damn this place is like a soap opera.

The reason I started this thread is because this board does have a pecking order. Look at the hot topic threads here. Click on the post count number to the right. It shows you who posted and how many times. Look at the thread and its content. You’ll see the pecking order. It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

I thought you weren't going to post anymore :shrug:

[SuzeQuze]

I saw your post as blaming a gay person for a straight person's mistreatment of them. That was how I interpreted it. I suppose the language I used to describe what I saw may seem extreme.

It is so random not to hear from you for a while on this board and then see a post that you pasted from another board. Did you get the poster's permission to do that? :confused:

Everyone is well aware of your opinion at this point. What is your problem, are you trying to be at the top of the pecking order? :shrug:

How is what he said “awful and hateful”. He gave an opinion from his gay point of view. If you’re talking about the avatar? Heck it’s an avatar? I think it’s funny. I’ve already had to remove 2 avatars because certain people here are to sensitive. If they can’t handle a little avatar they have a rough life ahead of them.

(That's like saying a woman who dresses like a skanky whore deserves to be raped.)
I don’t know where you saw something like that said in his opinion. You might have read it wrong?

I posted his opinion because I agree with the views he has on the way some gays act. They go overboard with feeling the need to make sure everyone knows they’re gay.

I’m certainly aware I’ve flirted on this board and had my straight moments of fun but it got real old after a fricking month of it. Not only was I getting tired of it but I’m sure other viewers were getting tired of it too so I stopped. Then I get PM’s asking if I’ve had a lovers quarrel with this and that member. Damn this place is like a soap opera.

The reason I started this thread is because this board does have a pecking order. Look at the hot topic threads here. Click on the post count number to the right. It shows you who posted and how many times. Look at the thread and its content. You’ll see the pecking order. It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I’ve already had to remove 2 avatars because certain people here are to sensitive. If they can’t handle a little avatar they have a rough life ahead of them.

I'm going to be a health care provider. I see naked penis everyday. It doesn't bother me. I am too sensitive, though....which I don't care to state. I told you that you could keep it up. I just didn't think it had a place, jumping around all over the screen.

AND

If a dancing Santa penis doesn't have a homoerotic theme, then I dunno what does. :rolleyes:



You’ll see the pecking order. It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

I guess this is also directed at me. Yet again, you can block me. I have started few (I can think of 3) threads that have had homosexual content to begin with. However, I do join in the conversations when they arise. I have no problem talking about "straight" issues......but I guess that is easier for me because I am gay.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

I thought you weren't going to post anymore :shrug:Looks like you we're wrong. :lol: There's a sucker born every minute. :]

[DrummerDeanna]

Looks like you we're wrong. :lol: There's a sucker born every minute. :]

Ah - so you lied - well guess you are a Republican afterall :rolleyes:

[wondergirl9847]

Damn this place is like a soap opera.

Um, hello, it's a FLEETWOOD MAC board. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Look at the thread and its content. You’ll see the pecking order. It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

I'm just as guilty as anyone (often times moreso), for "hijacking" threads with "gay banter," and my knee-jerk reaction would be to apologize. But why should I be sorry for not being straight?

We're expected to not be put-off by the discussions of husbands, wives, children, etc., that straight people post. We're also expected to not be offended or put off by straight people flirting with each other or discussing their dating and sex lives.
But we should worry if someone may be offended by OUR discussions?

I think EVERYONE should try to be mindful and respectful of other people's sensibilities and differing opinions, and things certainly get a little out of control here sometimes... but when I look around, sexually-themed banter and behaviour is certainly not exclusive to the gays on this board. And it's not exclusive to gays in "real time" either.

The man and woman standing in front of me in the line at Subway last week, sure didn't seem concerned with whether or not they were offending me, as they French-kissed, pecked each other's cheeks, rubbed each other's backs, held each other's hands, and as she frequently squeezed his right buttock.
Apparently they just assumed that I, and everyone behind me, would be fine with it because they were a straight couple, and therefore couldn't possibly be offending anyone.

I can imagine the fuss if they had been two males though.

I can understand if you find some of the more graphic discussions to be unpleasant (truth be known, some of the topics of conversation have been off-putting to me too), but to single out those of us who engage in "gay banter," rather than expressing a displeasure with sexually-themed banter of ANY kind, implies a double-standard.

[The Tower]

I posted his opinion because I agree with the views he has on the way some gays act. They go overboard with feeling the need to make sure everyone knows they’re gay.

People (including myself) are proud to be gay. There's nothing wrong with it. Society for the last century or two has severely forced gays to deny who they are, live their life as a lie or hide somewhere in shame. I wonder if you can possibly know what it might feel like to have to live in fear for your life just because of who you are. It's not a nice thing.

So, now in this day and age when the world is slowly opening up its eyes and gaining a little wisdom, why not let the fags celebrate who they are instead of having to repress and restrain for a change.

It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

Then don't f*cking read the ****. The whole fricking world is overloaded with straight imagery. As a straight male, you have the world at your feet. Yeah, I get tired of almost every single facet of society being tinged with heterosexuality, so I ignore it. I'm sure you can ignore the things you don't like as well.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

I'm going to be a health care provider. I see naked penis everyday. It doesn't bother me. I am too sensitive, though....which I don't care to state. I told you that you could keep it up. I just didn't think it had a place, jumping around all over the screen.

AND

If a dancing Santa penis doesn't have a homoerotic theme, then I dunno what does. :rolleyes:





I guess this is also directed at me. Yet again, you can block me. I have started few (I can think of 3) threads that have had homosexual content to begin with. However, I do join in the conversations when they arise. I have no problem talking about "straight" issues......but I guess that is easier for me because I am gay.No Curtis. Actually I like you. I like quite a few of you. I really admire the way Stew handles his posting. Sure you all like to have your fun in certain threads and I want to know you’re having fun. However I don’t have to read it and when the gay banter spills over into threads where it really shouldn’t it can get old. I’m thinking about the new members and some of the underage people that view these threads too. We should also keep in mind new members coming to this board that are potential supporters of this site.

I’m surprised it isn’t moderated a little better. I’ve expected to get warnings for some of the things I posted but never did. We can all have our fun but I’m surprised a few members never seem to get tired of it. Nothing better to do then chase each other on the board. Day after day all day long. It gets old. I’m sure a few agree but haven’t stepped in to state it because of the pecking they know they’ll receive.

[estranged4life]

The man and woman standing in front of me in the line at Subway last week, sure didn't seem concerned with whether or not they were offending me, as they French-kissed, pecked each other's cheeks, rubbed each other's backs, held each other's hands, and as she frequently squeezed his right buttock.
Apparently they just assumed that I, and everyone behind me, would be fine with it because they were a straight couple, and therefore couldn't possibly be offending anyone.



when a male/female are together less than few years they do that stupid **** (Deb never liked that kinda public displays, neither do I...I wouldve told ask 'em "Ya forgot to order some ice and a hotel room with your order"!!!!) but give 'em a few years and ya wont be seeing 'em standing besides each other without the look of "OMG, I am still stuck in a relationship with THAT??? Please calgon take me away" :lol:

[wondergirl9847]

The man and woman standing in front of me in the line at Subway last week, sure didn't seem concerned with whether or not they were offending me, as they French-kissed...and as she frequently squeezed his right buttock.

I don't care WHO you are, that's gross. Have some class, people. Sheesh.

[GateandGarden]

I’m surprised it isn’t moderated a little better. I’ve expected to get warnings for some of the things I posted but never did. We can all have our fun but I’m surprised a few members never seem to get tired of it. Nothing better to do then chase each other on the board. Day after day all day long. It gets old. I’m sure a few agree but haven’t stepped in to state it because of the pecking they know they’ll receive.Maybe I'm just not on here enough or I'm not paying attention, but I really didn't think all the over-the-top flirting and all went on day after day all day long. :shrug: Also, I don't see how you can blame others for it when you have posted explicit material as well. But I'm not criticizing you for doing that or anything. I'm just saying. :shrug:

[dissention]

Maybe I'm just not on here enough or I'm not paying attention, but I really didn't think all the over-the-top flirting and all went on day after day all day long. :shrug: Also, I don't see how you can blame others for it when you have posted explicit material as well. But I'm not criticizing you for doing that or anything. I'm just saying. :shrug:

I find it puzzling and disingenuous for someone to complain about the tone they helped to create. I don't dislike ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ® at all, but I also don't understand the beef he has with the very behavior he took part in. Maybe it's the gay banter that did it, I don't know. But it can't be any more offensive or crude than talking about Stevie's ass hairs or her urine-soaked panties, IMO. Surely those kind of comments are just as unwelcome in threads as the gay banter is. :shrug:

[The Tower]

I find it puzzling and disingenuous for someone to complain about the tone they helped to create. I don't dislike ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ® at all, but I also don't understand the beef he has with the very behavior he took part in. Maybe it's the gay banter that did it, I don't know. But it can't be any more offensive or crude than talking about Stevie's ass hairs or her urine-soaked panties, IMO. Surely those kind of comments are just as unwelcome in threads as the gay banter is. :shrug:

Of course, the gay banter is more offensive than 1/2 Insane talking about Stevie's ass hairs- after all, there's nothing offensive about any kind of back and forth when it involves a man and a woman. All that stuff is normal fer chrissakes!

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

I find it puzzling and disingenuous for someone to complain about the tone they helped to create. I don't dislike ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ® at all, but I also don't understand the beef he has with the very behavior he took part in. Maybe it's the gay banter that did it, I don't know. But it can't be any more offensive or crude than talking about Stevie's ass hairs or her urine-soaked panties, IMO. Surely those kind of comments are just as unwelcome in threads as the gay banter is. :shrug:Well gee Dissy. I remember you jumped all over me about the urine thing. Your post was deleted out of that thread and my response to your tone was too. But what little I had to say about the urine thing still remains. I wonder why. Did you jump on me in a way a mod thought was unacceptable. Seems that way doesn’t it, dear?

I didn’t talk about that ass hair day after day after day.

Oh, snap

[dissention]

Well gee Dissy. I remember you jumped all over me about the urine thing. Your post was deleted out of that thread and my response to your tone was too. But what little I had to say about the urine thing still remains. I wonder why. Did you jump on me in a way a mod thought was unacceptable. Seems that way doesn’t it, dear?

I wouldn't know, I don't believe I ever checked back into that thread. I was joking in my response, but that must not have come through, obviously. And it must be why you put me on ignore, dear. ;)

I didn’t talk about that ass hair day after day after day.

That's not really the point, though, is it? Point is, it's disingenuous to lecture others about the discourse when you contributed to it.

Oh, snap

:thumbsup:

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Oops I’m wrong. The urine post are still their. My bad :nod:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=17367&page=2&pp=15

[dissention]

Oops I’m wrong. The urine post are still their. My bad :nod:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=17367&page=2&pp=15

:thumbsup:

Sorry you feel that way, though. I meant no illwill with my comment, it was meant in a jovial fashion. But if you were offended, my apologies.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

:thumbsup:

Sorry you feel that way, though. I meant no illwill with my comment, it was meant in a jovial fashion. But if you were offended, my apologies.Heck that isn’t the first time you did it. I started doing it right back to you then saw it was childish so I put you on ignore. That was a joke? You can’t see how I might be offended by it? Seems you have the right to talk about certain things but I don’t. Hmm? :shocked:

[GypsySorcerer]

Maybe I'm just not on here enough or I'm not paying attention, but I really didn't think all the over-the-top flirting and all went on day after day all day long. :shrug: Also, I don't see how you can blame others for it when you have posted explicit material as well. But I'm not criticizing you for doing that or anything. I'm just saying. :shrug:

I didn't really think it went on all the time, either. Maybe it was because I was participating. ;) :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

The reason I started this thread is because this board does have a pecking order. Look at the hot topic threads here. Click on the post count number to the right. It shows you who posted and how many times. Look at the thread and its content. You’ll see the pecking order. It will also show you a few threads that have been hijacked with useless gay banter that’s useless.

That’s what I get tired of seeing. The members jumping around thread after thread talking the gay crap I don’t care to see. JMO Let me have my opinion.

YES, that's what I basically said like a week ago.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Dissy if you’d like I can search for about 5 other sarcastic comments you’ve made towards me. You seemed to follow me around wherever I went. Hell I thought you were a woman. I can do the search. I have a good idea where all of them are at and have nothing but time on my hands later tonight. It’s not going to make you look very good Dissy but is probably a waste of time because you’ll say they were all a joke anyway. :distress:

[Hawkeye]

Hell I thought you were a woman. .
.
I thought he was for the LONGEST time, of course it went both ways because he thought I was one too.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Heres another one Dissy.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=13843&page=130&pp=15

This is something you posted about me after I had already apologized over and over for not liking being hit on by gays. You couldn’t let it go could you? Very unforgiving Dissy.

You know what? If I made a comment towards someone I thought might be offensive to them I’d at least look back in the thread to see if an apology was due. Heck I’ve done that many times. Seems it’s not the norm in your case.

Do you want more Dissy?

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Heres the post where I said I was sorry about my felling towards not being hit on by gays, but nooo you couldn’t let it go Dissy. You said you’re a fact man.
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=242199#post242199

You want more facts Dissy? I’ve got nothing but time. :rolleyes:

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Here’s one for you Curtis regarding the avatar I removed for you. A silly little avatar. You’re probably in for a rough life if something that small bothers you.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=249145#post249145

I even made some nice comments to you. Still you think I hate you? Very unforgiving. Heck you didn’t even have the courtesy to say thanks. It really makes me wonder about the way some gays act and think. Any of you see where I’m coming from?

I’m starting to act childish here but I do stand my ground. If need be I’ll search for more. My investigative nature makes it kind of an enjoyable challenge. :lol:

[EnchantedSLN]

It really makes me wonder about the way some gays act and think. Any of you see where I’m coming from?

Can't say I do. How does one person's objection to an avatar construe anything about the way "gays act and think"?

[ontheEdgeof17]

Here’s one for you Curtis regarding the avatar I removed for you. A silly little avatar. You’re probably in for a rough life if something that small bothers you.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?p=249145#post249145

I even made some nice comments to you. Still you think I hate you? Very unforgiving. Heck you didn’t even have the courtesy to say thanks. It really makes me wonder about the way some gays act and think. Any of you see where I’m coming from?

I’m starting to act childish here but I do stand my ground. If need be I’ll search for more. My investigative nature makes it kind of an enjoyable challenge. :lol:


Eh. No skin off my nose. I didn't even view that thread after that. Like I said, you could have kept it up.

A rough life because I didn't like a dancing Santa penis? Yup. I sure will because I run into Santa penis' all the time. :D


What makes you wonder how gays and think? Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I like all dick.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

Just because I'm gay doesn't mean I like all dick.I never said you did. :distress:

[wondergirl9847]

...I run into Santa penis' all the time. :D

That made me literally laugh out loud. BWAH!!!

[ontheEdgeof17]

I never said you did. :distress:


That I am unforgiving? ;)

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

That I am unforgiving? ;)If you still continue to act like I hate you. Yes looks that way. ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

If you still continue to act like I hate you. Yes looks that way. ;)


I only hate Desert Angel. I really don't have to defend myself so I won't.

[½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®]

I only hate Desert Angel. I really don't have to defend myself so I won't.Well, you were the one that was asking. I was just answering. :nod: