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[GoldDustWoman22]

Okay. So I have been wondering about a couple of things in the Stevie/FM universe and I'm hoping that maybe you guys can help me....

First of all, there is this footage of Lindsey and Stevie I have seen in several documentaries and interviews. They are sitting around a table I think...very casual. Stevie almost has brownish hair and is wearing either a tank top or a bikini, I'm not sure which. It seems to be a home movie or something and I have seen it mentioned whenever they mention Buckingham Nicks first joining the band. That's also the era it seems to be from. Does anyone know the name of the footage where it was originally from and is it available anywhere?? Also in relation to that, I have seen footage where they are on a boat or something and Stevie is wearing a fur coat...this also looks to be from the early years as well! All I have seen of these is the movie while someone talks in the background and I'm wondering what they are from. Does anyone know??

OK second of all...what about Lindsey and Stevie. I know about their "official" relationship. But did they ever get back together after that and are there any "rumours" (pun intended ) about them hooking up later on in Fleetwood Mac. I have always wondered about this because their chemistry onstage is incredible and I personally want them to be together . If anyone has any info I would be glad to know as much as possible. Thanks

[Sanne2]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Okay. So I have been wondering about a couple of things in the Stevie/FM universe and I'm hoping that maybe you guys can help me....

First of all, there is this footage of Lindsey and Stevie I have seen in several documentaries and interviews. They are sitting around a table I think...very casual. Stevie almost has brownish hair and is wearing either a tank top or a bikini, I'm not sure which. It seems to be a home movie or something and I have seen it mentioned whenever they mention Buckingham Nicks first joining the band. That's also the era it seems to be from. Does anyone know the name of the footage where it was originally from and is it available anywhere?? Also in relation to that, I have seen footage where they are on a boat or something and Stevie is wearing a fur coat...this also looks to be from the early years as well! All I have seen of these is the movie while someone talks in the background and I'm wondering what they are from. Does anyone know??

The first one sounds like a clip from Mick Fleetwood's DVD either called "Two Stick And A Drum" or "The Mick Fleetwood Story", it's from right after the "Fleetwood Mac" album was released in 1975. The DVD has a lot of cool FM footage, I think it's still available. The second one is a clip from when FM was in Holland mid-april 1977 on the Rumours tour, the footage was used in a BBC documentary on FM from 2009, it was called "Don't Stop", I believe the whole thing is on Youtube.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

OK second of all...what about Lindsey and Stevie. I know about their "official" relationship. But did they ever get back together after that and are there any "rumours" (pun intended ) about them hooking up later on in Fleetwood Mac.

I seriously doubt it. There are people who are convinced that they had an affair during The Dance tour, and still others believe that they're still in love and will get back together one day. Which I think is ridiculous. They broke up 35 years ago, and have gone for long stretches of that time without seeing or speaking to each other. Honestly, I think they're relationship is completely professional and all the lovey dovey stuff they do on stage is totally playing to the crowd. I'd be surprised if they socialize much at all when they're not working together.

I have similar thoughts about Stevie's relationship with Christine. I think they were probably close from about 1975-1978, but didn't have much of anything to do with one another after that outside of FM. I'm sure they're genuinely friendly when they see each other, but I'm betting the only times Stevie has seen Christine since 1998 were the two times CM came to see the band in England.

[GoldDustWoman22]

Thank you Sanne!! I'll have to get those! I love seeing "candid" footage of the Fleetwood Mac members !

And ok, I guess I can see where your coming from. I'm just wondering if maybe they may have hooked up or something on a tour in the late 70s early 80s...when neither of them were really "seriously" attached. I guess I am just a romantic at heart who longs for some kind of happy ending between those two. Even if it is just a friendship. I mean they have to have some kind of good friendship going because Stevie did ask Lindsey to sing "Soldier's Angel" with her on the album. Ok way too much speculation going on right now! lol

[skcin]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Thank you Sanne!! I'll have to get those! I love seeing "candid" footage of the Fleetwood Mac members !

And ok, I guess I can see where your coming from. I'm just wondering if maybe they may have hooked up or something on a tour in the late 70s early 80s...when neither of them were really "seriously" attached. I guess I am just a romantic at heart who longs for some kind of happy ending between those two. Even if it is just a friendship. I mean they have to have some kind of good friendship going because Stevie did ask Lindsey to sing "Soldier's Angel" with her on the album. Ok way too much speculation going on right now! lol

Oh, you're not alone in wondering. Like Markolas, I do NOT believe they are still in love and/or in any sort of romantic or sexual relationship. I'm not sure about The Dance - I think there may have been something re-starting. But I'm quite sure they probably banged here & there in the late 70's/early 80's.

[GoldDustWoman22]

Originally Posted by skcin

Oh, you're not alone in wondering. Like Markolas, I do NOT believe they are still in love and/or in any sort of romantic or sexual relationship. I'm not sure about The Dance - I think there may have been something re-starting. But I'm quite sure they probably banged here & there in the late 70's/early 80's.

Ok thank you! That's what I was wondering!! Except maybe not those terms but...haha

[skcin]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Ok thank you! That's what I was wondering!! Except maybe not those terms but...haha

Would you prefer "made sweet sweet love" over "banged?"

[GoldDustWoman22]

Originally Posted by skcin

Would you prefer "made sweet sweet love" over "banged?"

Hahaha possibly yes? Too romantic of me I know...lol

[MrStevie]

Originally Posted by skcin

Oh, you're not alone in wondering. Like Markolas, I do NOT believe they are still in love and/or in any sort of romantic or sexual relationship. I'm not sure about The Dance - I think there may have been something re-starting. But I'm quite sure they probably banged here & there in the late 70's/early 80's.

If you're quite sure they kept banging in the 70s & 80s after breaking up, why don't you believe they still do it?
They weren't in love anymore back then and kept banging away, so why not now?

[mezzoforte]

Originally Posted by MrStevie

If you're quite sure they kept banging in the 70s & 80s after breaking up, why don't you believe they still do it?
They weren't in love anymore back then and kept banging away, so why not now?

Because he's now married with three children? Because when no one involved is abusing drugs, those mistakes are far less likely? Because sexagenarians generally have more control over their sex drives than coked out 30-year-old rock stars?


Eh, I fully expect they had occasional hook-ups through the early 80's and there's little doubt in my mind that love (or something like it) was in the air in '97. Now, though? I tend to doubt it.
They are, by all accounts, in a good place right now, but I don't think there's been anything nefarious in a long while.

Side note: few phrases squick me out the way "making love" does. I'm all for sticking to "banging."

[MrStevie]

Originally Posted by mezzoforte

Because he's now married with three children? Because when no one involved is abusing drugs, those mistakes are far less likely? Because sexagenarians generally have more control over their sex drives than coked out 30-year-old rock stars?


Eh, I fully expect they had occasional hook-ups through the early 80's and there's little doubt in my mind that love (or something like it) was in the air in '97. Now, though? I tend to doubt it.

Married with children rarely changes the sexual habits of male rock stars. and having sex with married men never stopped Stevie before.

[skcin]

^No, but maturity might. I don't think you can compare behaviors of someone when they're 20something vs. 60something & assume they're the same.

Originally Posted by mezzoforte

Because he's now married with three children? Because when no one involved is abusing drugs, those mistakes are far less likely? Because sexagenarians generally have more control over their sex drives than coked out 30-year-old rock stars?

Eh, I fully expect they had occasional hook-ups through the early 80's and there's little doubt in my mind that love (or something like it) was in the air in '97. Now, though? I tend to doubt it.
They are, by all accounts, in a good place right now, but I don't think there's been anything nefarious in a long while.

Side note: few phrases squick me out the way "making love" does. I'm all for sticking to "banging."

Agreed. I think it was a different story when they were young & hot & high & it was all so glamorous & life was a party; plus their breakup was still fresh/recent at that time. I also think he probably comforted her (in more ways than one wink wink) when Robin was ill.

'97 - it never occured to me that they were together, but then I heard Thrown Down was written about that era. I've also convinced myself that You May Be the ONe is also about that time (I interpret the angry words/birds flying across the ocean as LB telling Stevie he was married or getting married, or her hearing about the marriage, or her hearing that K was pregnant.) I'm still not totally convinced that SN & LB were an item in '97, and perhaps it was more wishful thinking on her part. But I think it's def. possible.

Now? No. I just don't get that impression. At all. I think they are good friends, but the sexual passion is long gone. I agree that their stage act is just an act now. I mean, I'm sure there's always some emotion & feeling there, but do they get hot & horny for eachother? Sorry, I just don't see it.

[mezzoforte]

Originally Posted by MrStevie

Married with children rarely changes the sexual habits of male rock stars. and having sex with married men never stopped Stevie before.

I think that it would be impossible, though, with all of their history and baggage, for them to happily carry on a bandmates-with-benefits relationship.

To romanticize it all a bit (keep the excitement alive for GoldDustWoman22?) shall we look at some lyrics? I'm open to the idea that they're still drawn to certain aspects of each other--they have, after all, shared a lot of life. I just think any feelings have gone unfulfilled for a decade or so. Anyway...


I have no way of knowing, of course, but I get a very Stevie vibe from "Stars"--

"I wake up in the middle of the night
With you in my heart
With you in my heart
I can't touch you anymore
It causes you harm"

And then there's Everybody Loves You (which we know is about Lindsey)--

"We cause each other such pain
Everywhere we go now
At home or on stage"

"Don’t come here again
Unless fear of fire leaves you cold"

If "Stars" is about Stevie, they sound to me like two people who know each other and themselves well enough to realize that a relationship couldn't work, given their current situations.
I really don't think they could be in a good place right now if they were in any way involved. Love and hate often went hand-in-hand for them (just ask Ken C.), and know they've found some peace. They may still write and think about each other occasionally, but the on stage flirtation is just for show and I don't think it crosses into their off-stage lives.

[GoldDustWoman22]

mezzoforte - thank you for keeping the romanticism alive...it is greatly appreciated.

Ok. So here's a bit of what I think. I do believe that they may have succumbed to each other occasionally back in the day. There was some definite chemistry going on onstage and they were never really able to live without each other after their breakup. This must have made it seemingly impossible for them to move on. And I do believe all the reports that when they were dating they were pretty much "married" so I don't think their relationship was just another relationship to either of them. And it must have been difficult having to see each other day after day! So the feelings between them built up and either escalated in serious fights or "making love" . To me that makes sense. It never really ended between them for awhile. Now I don't really know that much about the dance tour but I did see one interview with them on youtube where Lindsey kept on spontaneously kissing Stevie's head. So I'm guessing that with the almost 10 year break between "Tango" and "The Dance" the old feelings could have resurfaced. Whether it was just a mutual "respect" courtship type thing or an actual physical relationship I honestly can't say. But I think there was a rekindling of something. Whether it was friendship or romantic. Especially since she wrote a song about Lindsey for the SYW album that was about "The Dance" tour. So SOMETHING must have gone down.

Ok one more thing. I know many of you say that their interaction on stage is staged and just for performance value. But why would they keep writing songs about the other one even to this day. They obviously consider each other important not only to their musical careers but their personal ones as well. I'm not trying to say that what I'm saying is right. I just think that they do have genuine, intense feelings for each other. Whether they are still romantic or not I have no clue. But I think they do care about each other still?

Btw. here is the youtube video in case you want to watch it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGBji-8-3jo

The interview is really great anyways. But Stevie acting all coquettish is adorable to watch. Lindsey is also really cute when he's affectionate. Ok I'll stop gushing

[skcin]

^ Oh I think there will always be feeings there. But more of a wistful "what could have been" or "if only..." than a "I'm still passionately in love with you" or "I'm hot for you!" I don't think their affection for eachother is faked, but the stage show? Is a show. It's the same sh*t every show (I realized this & my mild shipping came to an end after seeing 5 shows on the SYW tour.)