Destiny Rules: the unseen bit

Forshorn · #1 03-26-2006, 10:12 PM

Sorry if this is an ancient topic, but I recently saw the documentary "Destiny Rules" and I was curious about what passed between Stevie and Lindsey that didn't make it into the DVD version. Some yelling and screaming, or something?

Anyone know or know where there's a transcript? It was on VH1, I guess.

danax6 · #2 03-27-2006, 06:53 AM

There was an argument about naming the album Say You Will that wasn't on the Destiny Rules dvd.

johnny4406 · #3 03-27-2006, 09:24 AM

Naming the album.... any more details about this? Did he want to name it something else? I thought they also argued about the tracklisting..

shackin'up · #4 03-27-2006, 11:36 AM

Destiny rules would have been the best title for the album.

David · #5 03-27-2006, 11:48 AM

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Destiny rules would have been the best title for the album.

Or maybe something like "Supplemental Material" or "My Big Toe Aches" or even "Variations on a Couple of Dumb Themes & a Few Good Ones" or "So What Happened You're Probably Wondering To My Engineering Skills?"

Did we ever have a poll here for Most Wanted Name for The Album?

DavidMn · #6 03-27-2006, 01:19 PM

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Or maybe something like "Supplemental Material" or "My Big Toe Aches" or even "Variations on a Couple of Dumb Themes & a Few Good Ones" or "So What Happened You're Probably Wondering To My Engineering Skills?"

Did we ever have a poll here for Most Wanted Name for The Album?

I know in the tour book Stevie joked about calling it Infatuation.

Forshorn · #7 03-27-2006, 03:43 PM

On Ledge I saw a reference to Stevie screaming at poor Lindsey. Anyone know about this? Screaming is always interesting.

Also, Lindsey said Stevie was still made about the track order. Did she want her songs first?

I like everything about Say You Will but the title (and "Silver Girl" and "Running Through the Garden"). It is basically a trivial title that suggests light pop music.

"Steal Your Heart Away" might have been a good title, expressing the band's desire to win its fans back.

shackin'up · #8 03-27-2006, 03:56 PM

I bet she moaned about the fact that Murrow was track 2. She would have had a point there...

madformac · #9 03-27-2006, 04:02 PM

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I bet she moaned about the fact that Murrow was track 2. She would have had a point there...

It's my favourite song along with Destiny Rules but I think those two were in the wrong order. Murrow should be at 6 or 7. Destiny Rules at 2 or 3 IMO.

madformac · #10 03-27-2006, 04:05 PM

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Did we ever have a poll here for Most Wanted Name for The Album?

What about "Cycles"?

or "Say You Will Before We Get Too Old"?

What about "Where's Chris"?

Sahara · #11 03-27-2006, 04:09 PM

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I like everything about Say You Will but the title. It is basically a trivial title that suggests light pop music.

"Steal Your Heart Away" might have been a good title, expressing the band's desire to win its fans back.

That's actually a good point, I never really thought about it.

'Scuse my ignorance, but why do people get so invovled with the running order of an album? Presumably so that songs sort of flow into each other, but is there something else?

johnny4406 · #12 03-27-2006, 04:16 PM

I love what Lindsey did with the tracklisting order

The fact that murrow is #2 makes Illume stand out so much more (as well as Thrown Down)

I LOVE the order of the songs...

shackin'up · #13 03-27-2006, 05:42 PM

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It's my favourite song along with Destiny Rules but I think those two were in the wrong order. Murrow should be at 6 or 7. Destiny Rules at 2 or 3 IMO.

yeah. murrow should have been switched with Say you will and SYW with DR

Boots · #14 03-28-2006, 10:58 AM

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On Ledge I saw a reference to Stevie screaming at poor Lindsey. Anyone know about this? Screaming is always interesting.

I'm not sure if this is the same yelling session you mean....but Stevie yelled at Lindsey when there was a dispute about the sound mixer. Stevie wanted Chris Lord Alge to mix the songs on the album, and Lindsey wanted Mark Needham. In order to hold onto their studio time with Lord-Alge, Lindsey had to sign a deal memo by a certain time; however, he wasn't ready to do this because he was asked to give up all his songs - even the ones he wasn't sure he wanted to use on the album.

I think there was some mix up in when he was supposed to sign these over to Lord-Alge. Stevie's attorneys were working on this, noting that LB hadn't signed anything yet. This meant that Stevie was going to lose a session that was scheduled for the next day. So, LB said - call your attorney to see how we can sort this out so you can get tomorrow back. Karen was about to do it, but LB got a little bitchy and called the attorney himself, claiming on the phone that "People are here pointing fingers"....to which Stevie yelled, "OH LINDSEY..NO ONE IS POINTING FINGERS AT ANYONE!!"...and then there were some candid shots of them yelling at each other off camera. It was simply some bickering between friends over who was going to mix the album. Their voices were raised. It wasn't particularly startling - especially if you know their history. LB kind of had the right to hold his music back - but you knew he wasn't that hot about Lord-Alge mixing the album. Stevie wasn't all hot about Needham mixing the album...but they all compromised because Lord-Alge didn't have the time. Needham mixed the rest. Somehow I think Lindsey won the battle by holding out.

If there was some real yelling -- other than that -- going on, then I missed it - or there is a story out there that I'd love to hear myself.

danax6 · #15 03-28-2006, 11:49 AM

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I'm not sure if this is the same yelling session you mean....but Stevie yelled at Lindsey when there was a dispute about the sound mixer. Stevie wanted Chris Lord Alge to mix the songs on the album, and Lindsey wanted Mark Needham. In order to hold onto their studio time with Lord-Alge, Lindsey had to sign a deal memo by a certain time; however, he wasn't ready to do this because he was asked to give up all his songs - even the ones he wasn't sure he wanted to use on the album.

I think there was some mix up in when he was supposed to sign these over to Lord-Alge. Stevie's attorneys were working on this, noting that LB hadn't signed anything yet. This meant that Stevie was going to lose a session that was scheduled for the next day. So, LB said - call your attorney to see how we can sort this out so you can get tomorrow back. Karen was about to do it, but LB got a little bitchy and called the attorney himself, claiming on the phone that "People are here pointing fingers"....to which Stevie yelled, "OH LINDSEY..NO ONE IS POINTING FINGERS AT ANYONE!!"...and then there were some candid shots of them yelling at each other off camera. It was simply some bickering between friends over who was going to mix the album. Their voices were raised. It wasn't particularly startling - especially if you know their history. LB kind of had the right to hold his music back - but you knew he wasn't that hot about Lord-Alge mixing the album. Stevie wasn't all hot about Needham mixing the album...but they all compromised because Lord-Alge didn't have the time. Needham mixed the rest. Somehow I think Lindsey won the battle by holding out.

In comparison, that was probably very tame. Stevie played peacekeeper in the end by saying 'let them sort it out'. I guess she didn't want to argue anymore. I liked how they even harmonized using high pitched voices. They were both squeaking.

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If there was some real yelling -- other than that -- going on, then I missed it - or there is a story out there that I'd love to hear myself.

I think she meant the part that was on the All Access show, where Stevie is complaining about how Lindsey probably didn't like it because she wrote it. And then a bit later she is shown lowering her hands in defeat, saying 'well, then think of something else'.