These are real tears #2

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To keep the peace, I’ve decided to delete my post also.

[Johnny Stew]

I thank you for editing the content of your original post, but if you truly wish to keep the peace, you can do so by not harassing or deriding other Ledgies.

Janet and I are the moderators of this particular forum, and we will decide what's appropriate or inappropriate.
Disagreeing with someone's opinion is one thing, but we will not tolerate behaviour that fosters a hostile environment here.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to remind you of the following, from our FAQs....

What's Not Cool:
Derogatory statements that could be construed as bigoted, hateful or racially offensive or comments defaming sexual orientation

I understand that homosexuality is against your religious beliefs, but I'd suggest that, in the future, you stop to consider "What Would Jesus Do" before you post.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I thank you for editing the content of your original post, but if you truly wish to keep the peace, you can do so by not harassing or deriding other Ledgies.

Janet and I are the moderators of this particular forum, and we will decide what's appropriate or inappropriate.
Disagreeing with someone's opinion is one thing, but we will not tolerate behaviour that fosters a hostile environment here.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to remind you of the following, from our FAQs....I understand that homosexuality is against your religious beliefs, but I'd suggest that, in the future, you stop to consider "What Would Jesus Do" before you post.

I said nothing to any member on this board in my original post. Yes homosexuality is frowned upon in my religious belief, but the main reason I harbor resentments towards homosexuality stems from being raped by an admitted homosexual while being briefly incarcerated in a juvenile facility.

The pain it caused me throughout my teen years, can only be understood by someone who went through it. Stevie’s music brought me through some very dark years. She taught me it was OK to stand up for what I believe in.

The link I’m posting is a story that has effected me a Stevie fan immensely, and just because the link doesn’t mention the victim being a fan of any band, doesn’t mean the link should be removed. He could have been a Stevie/Mac fan. Maybe a fellow Stevie fan knew this person. I lived in Arkansas and was a Stevie fan at the time this happened. I also believe in God which is part of my web page link. Sure I should have posted this in Chit Chat like the other (tears) thread should have been, but many members here don’t bother venturing to that forum for reasons of their own.

I refuse to participate in the Chit Chat forum, and being a Stevie fan that’s a member of this board I’d like to place a link to a public web page here for others to view also. It effects me deeply. Maybe a fellow Stevie fan has been raped? Maybe a fellow fan could use support from a fellow Stevie fan?

“Thank You Stevie for bringing me out of the darkness. Take on the situations, but not the torment.”
VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED.

His parents thought he was working as a hair stylist on weekends. But when Prairie Grove, Ark., police responded to a 911 emergency call at 5 a.m. Sept. 26, they found 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising on the floor, unconscious, near death, one of his wrists bound with duct tape. A half-hour later, he was pronounced dead at St. Mary's Hospital in Roger. A police investigation determined young Jesse was repeatedly raped over a period of hours, including with foreign objects. While enduring this ordeal, his ankles, knees and wrists were bound in duct tape and he was gagged and blindfolded. He was tied to a mattress. He may have been drugged, police say. A sedative called amitryptiline was found in the home of two men -- Joshua Brown, 22, and David Don Carpenter, 38 -- along with Jesse's body. Just another brutal local crime, you say? Why is Farah recounting a police blotter story from Arkansas? I don't know. Something bothers me about this story. It ought to bother us. It was big news in Northwest Arkansas, but the story of Jesse Dirkhising hasn't made a ripple in the national news. I wonder why? I wonder if it's because the victim is not a part of some politically protected sub-group, a special class deserving of extra government privileges? I wonder if it is because the suspects are, indeed, members of such a group. Remember how the nation stood riveted to the details of a hideous murder that took place in Wyoming when a homosexual was tortured to death? Never mind that the crime had little or nothing to do with the victim's sexual proclivities. Uh-uh. That didn't matter.
Who was Jesse Dirkhising?
http://www.armyofgod.com/JesseDirkhising.html

[ELIUD]

...but the story of Jesse Dirkhising hasn't made a ripple in the national news. I wonder why? I wonder if it's because the victim is not a part of some politically protected sub-group, a special class deserving of extra government privileges?

I can tell you why it wasn't national news. It's because people are murdered everyday all around the country and we're already numb to that fact. And rapists and murderers are a protected sub-group with special privileges only when they're rich and famous.

If you know of any gay people that have been given extra government protection and rights, give me their number. Maybe they can help me and my partner get some kind of legally sanctioned recognition of our 15 year relationship.

p.s. Stevie rules!

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

And I know someone who was raped by three black men, and because of that she does not like black men. And that's so justified. Sad how you don't seem to see that it's the exact same thing.

Oh, and by the way, men are raped by heterosexual men in prison all the time. People do many things in while in prison that they would not do otherwise. It's not about sexual orientation.

Wow, Thanks for all the support. I feel like I’m being ganged up on instead of feeling just a little bit comforted, and welcome. I see how it goes. You’re right and I’m wrong. I didn’t expect anything more from a few members. Take care gang.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Wow, Thanks for all the support. I feel like I’m being ganged up on instead of feeling just a little bit comforted, and welcome. I see how it goes. You’re right and I’m wrong. I didn’t expect anything more from a few members. Take care gang.

You could have actually addressed what I said.

[Rickypt]

I'm gay and new to this board. And while I'm very tempted to respond item-by-item on this thread, I didn't come to the Ledge to defend myself or talk about gay rights.

Instead, I just ask 1/2 insane to evaluate and judge me as RickyPT the person and fellow Stevie fan. I respect that you had a very traumatic experience in your childhood, but your blanket resentment of all gays based on the action of one person is not fair and not very rational. It would be the same if my sister hated all heterosexual men because one of them raped her. There's just no logic behind it.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Wow, Thanks for all the support. I feel like I’m being ganged up on instead of feeling just a little bit comforted, and welcome. I see how it goes. You’re right and I’m wrong. I didn’t expect anything more from a few members. Take care gang.

Rightly or wrongly, you'd probably gain more understanding from the people here, if you weren't asking for sympathy from the very same people you disrespect by calling them "abominations" who have "developmental disorders."

However, I recall that in a prior thread in the Chit-Chat Forum, many of us did express our sympathies to you for what you were subjected to as a young man. But we also cautioned you to not demonize an entire group of people, for the actions of one or two.

Many of us here are homosexuals, and while none of us expects preferential treatment, we do expect to not be likened to pedophiles and other deviants.

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Originally Posted by Rickypt

I didn't come to the Ledge to defend myself or talk about gay rights.

Yours is a very appropriate, and well received response. I guess you’d have to be in my shoes to understand. I respect you as a person and don’t hate you. Thanks for your opinion and professional reply.

Stew The Chit Chat forums are run amuck with hatred by a lot of members. They bash Christians, politicians, actors, musicians, They bash everything. Including me. This board has a gang and you know it. I’m simply speaking my opinions, not always the best when I’m responding quickly but we’re all guilty of that sometimes. The pack rules, and you’ve been guilty of sticking up for them at times. So be it. Let’s end it here please. Take care.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Originally Posted by ½ ¡Ñ§ÅñË ®

Yours is a very appropriate, and well received response. I guess you’d have to be in my shoes to understand. I respect you as a person and don’t hate you. Thanks for your opinion and professional reply.

Stew The Chit Chat forums are run amuck with hatred by a lot of members. They bash Christians, politicians, actors, musicians, They bash everything. Including me. This board has a gang and you know it. I’m simply speaking my opinions, not always the best when I’m responding quickly but we’re all guilty of that sometimes. The pack rules, and you’ve been guilty of sticking up for them at times. So be it. Let’s end it here please. Take care.

I think the people most of us bash are very worthy of bashing, lol, because of the things they do and say - or whatever. But that's just my opinion. I consider myself a Christian, but no---not a Jerry Falwell type Christian who thinks he is God and decides what is right and wrong. Anyway, just had to add my two cents....and I think Republicans have developmental disorders--JUST KIDDING!! MAYBE, Well I'm not kidding actually

Chris

[diamondsnake]

I'm really sorry to hear about what happened to you. Rape is on the same level as murder IMO. However, there are straight rapists and there are gay rapists. They can be black, and they can be white, etc. So maybe instead of focusing your hatred towards homosexuals, you should focus your angry towards rapists in general. I've never been violated by anyone but can only imagine what it does to a person... I just think you are taking this out on a lot of people who have nothing to do with what happened to you.

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake

I just think you are taking this out on a lot of people who have nothing to do with what happened to you.

Yes, and the same could be said for the members here that bash Christians as a whole. They know who they are, and most have admitted they are homosexuals. I’m sure you know exactly who I mean. Yet they pick on me when I do the same thing. It goes both ways now doesn’t it. Be honest.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by Lux

I can't believe you'd again use that child's death to support homophobia. That boy was killed by homosexuals. There are good and bad within every characteristic of person in society. He's been likened to Matthew Shepard but there is a colossal difference. One was murdered by persons of a particular orientation, one was murdered because of his orientation. The kid's murderers were a ****ed up pair who belong in prison for their crime, not because they happened to be gay.

No personal experience justifies your intolerance and prejudice. If that were the case I could come here and attack all older males saying what sick bastards they all are but that's absurd because personal experiences are the result of particular people. You're not winning permission to be prejudice against other by asking for sympathy points.

took the words out of my mouth, though you did say it nicer than I would have.

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I can’t believe a person, and a moderator at that, posted Jim Wheelers suicide to defend homosexuality. He took his own life. Heterosexuals didn’t kill him. Goes both ways Luxamoony.

Originally Posted by Lux

There are good and bad within every characteristic of person in society.

I figured it wouldn’t take long for the Lux/Moonie duo to show up. You’re correct in what I quoted, but once again, and I don’t know why this doesn’t sink in, because I’m tired of typing it. The same can be said for Ledgies bashing Christians, and people of certain religions. I can always expect a double bashing from you two. Why is that? Do you feel more secure as a duo, or gang?

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Well, I’ve seen you two post in pairs quite frequently. Should I have said “you seem to follow each other around as friends?”

Originally Posted by Lux

By that thinking, the homosexual here could get away with bashing all the heterosexuals.

Lets hope that doesn’t happen. There’s enough bashing by a gang here already. Now I asked J/Stew to end this and he did, but the gang felt they needed to continue it. Let’s end it here please. Thanks.