Former guard testifies Jackson engaged in sex act with boy

gldstwmn · #1 04-07-2005, 12:58 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/07/ja...ial/index.html

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- A former security guard at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch testified Thursday that he saw the pop star performing oral sex on a young boy while the two were standing nude outside a shower.

The former guard, Ralph Chacon, testified that Jackson and the boy -- who was involved in a civil suit against Jackson in 1993 -- were engaged in "passionate" kissing and were caressing before the sex act.

The 46-year-old singer is accused of molesting another boy -- now 15 years old -- at Neverland, giving him alcohol and conspiring to hold the boy's family captive in 2003.

Jackson has pleaded not guilty to the charges.

"[Jackson's] hands were all over his body," Chacon said of the incident outside the shower in late 1992 or 1993.

The family of the boy, who was 9 or 10 at the time of the incident, filed a civil lawsuit against the entertainer 12 years ago. Without admitting guilt, Jackson agreed to a multimillion-dollar settlement to end that case.

Chacon's testimony marks the first time in this trial that jurors have heard allegations of sexual contact that went beyond fondling or masturbation.

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dissention · #2 04-07-2005, 01:00 PM

His former maid just testified that she walked in on Jackson and a little boy taking a shower together.

strandinthewind · #3 04-07-2005, 01:00 PM

He could be damned on all this testimony. However, two jurors were seen laughing and making fun of the tickle testimony, which does not bode well for its credibility. So, who knows.

DrummerDeanna · #4 04-07-2005, 01:07 PM

that is truly disturbing information. I may not be able to sleep or eat for days now....blech.

gldstwmn · #5 04-07-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

He could be damned on all this testimony. However, two jurors were seen laughing and making fun of the tickle testimony, which does not bode well for its credibility. So, who knows.

The last couple of days have seen extremely damning testimony but today's is by far the most damning.
He's toast.

Mad4stevie · #6 04-07-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The last couple of days have seen extremely damning testimony but today's is by far the most damning.
He's toast.

I could not agree more. As soon as the judge ruled that all this "pattern" evidence was allowed to come in to the case, he was damned. No wonder the freak is having physical problems.

Seems that Johnny Cochran was correct in advising Jackson to settle the earlier civil suit.

amber · #7 04-07-2005, 06:35 PM

White toast.
I wonder who molested him when he was 9-10? I wonder if all the details and problems, etc, will come out when he is forced to seek help and found guilty? If he doesn't say something, his rep will never recover, not even a teensy bit, IMO.

SuzeQuze · #8 04-07-2005, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

White toast.
I wonder who molested him when he was 9-10? I wonder if all the details and problems, etc, will come out when he is forced to seek help and found guilty? If he doesn't say something, his rep will never recover, not even a teensy bit, IMO.

Marbled toast.

That is so disturbing. :shudder:

Mad4stevie · #9 04-07-2005, 06:43 PM

There was some poll out that Dan Abrams mentioned last night on his show on MSNBC (I LOVE HIM) where only 1% of all adults polled found that Michael Jackson had a positive influence. About 70% thought he had a very negative influence. Amazing considering that he is an internationally recognized superstar (albeit a while ago).

The Tower · #10 04-07-2005, 07:01 PM

Well, there's one guaranteed way to tell if all this shower stuff is true or not. If MJ's defense attorney cross examines the shower victims, it ain't true. If he declines, then it's definitely true.

Mad4stevie · #11 04-07-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, there's one guaranteed way to tell if all this shower stuff is true or not. If MJ's defense attorney cross examines the shower victims, it ain't true. If he declines, then it's definitely true.

Huh?

"Guaranteed"? Well, I guess the jury might as well just turn in the verdict now if credibility depends on Thomas Messareau's legal techniques.

gldstwmn · #12 04-07-2005, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

White toast.
I wonder who molested him when he was 9-10? I wonder if all the details and problems, etc, will come out when he is forced to seek help and found guilty? If he doesn't say something, his rep will never recover, not even a teensy bit, IMO.

His reputation will never recover irregardless of whether or not he tells who molested him.

gldstwmn · #13 04-07-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

I could not agree more. As soon as the judge ruled that all this "pattern" evidence was allowed to come in to the case, he was damned. No wonder the freak is having physical problems.

That and his prescription drug habit. It's been alleged that he likes to shoot Demerol. Talk about out of touch with reality.

Kelly · #14 04-08-2005, 06:58 AM

It infuriates me that Jordy Chandler, the 93 accuser who took 20 million instead of putting him away then, is refusing to testify. The man has some responsibility to society at this point. His testimony could put the final nail in this ugly coffin but he has taken his millions and flown out of the country. That really ticks me off because he is an adult now and his testimony could be key.
T.M. did vigorously cross examine the security guard and maid, both of whom lost large civil suits with MJ. They both were accused of stealing from him and found liable to repay him around 2 Mil.
IMO, the boy who just testified a few days ago, the maid's son, was the strongest witness so far. He was not rocked by T.M. and he was very credible.

strandinthewind · #15 04-08-2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

It infuriates me that Jordy Chandler, the 93 accuser who took 20 million instead of putting him away then, is refusing to testify. The man has some responsibility to society at this point. His testimony could put the final nail in this ugly coffin but he has taken his millions and flown out of the country. That really ticks me off because he is an adult now and his testimony could be key.
T.M. did vigorously cross examine the security guard and maid, both of whom lost large civil suits with MJ. They both were accused of stealing from him and found liable to repay him around 2 Mil.
IMO, the boy who just testified a few days ago, the maid's son, was the strongest witness so far. He was not rocked by T.M. and he was very credible.

He sold his "responsibility to society" for $20 million

Happens all the time.

The maid's testimony was tainted and two jurors were seen laughing at the "tickle" testimony. That does not bode well for their credibility. The most damning by far has been the eyewitness shower testimony.

I think there is too much evidence for the jury not to convict though, esp. on the alcohol charges.