Pope Condemns Same Sex Union as Attack on Society

[Johnny Stew]

Pope Condemns Same Sex Union as Attack on Society
Sat Dec 18,12:31 PM ET


VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul on Saturday condemned same sex marriage as an attack on the fabric of society and called on Catholics to combat what he said was aggressive attempt to legally undermine the family.

"Attacks on marriage and the family, from an ideological and legal aspect, are becoming stronger and more radical every day," the 84-year old pontiff said in the unusually strong statement.

"Who destroys this fundamental fabric causes a profound injury to society and provokes often irreparable damage."

The Catholic Church teaches that marriage between a man and a women is sacred and that homosexuality is a sin.

That stance has been under pressure in some of its core constituencies, including the United States and Catholic Spain where the socialist government in October approved a controversial draft law to legalize gay unions.

But a counterattack has begun. In the United States, President Bush was swept back to power in the November elections with help from U.S. evangelicals and Catholics who agree with the Pope.

Votes for Bush included solid support from the religious right and his win was interpreted by some as a victory for conservative Christians on issues like gay rights and abortion.

The Polish Pope on Saturday also condemned abortion, artificial procreation and equal status for cohabiting couples as undermining the marital state.

"These things that are presented as civilized progress or scientific conquests, in many cases are in fact a defeat for the dignity of human life and for society," his statement read.

[GypsySorcerer]

As I said in another thead, the CC is very conservative when it comes to any kind of sexual issue. It's too bad, because they're mostly liberal in other areas.

I still don't get what religion has to do with same-sex marriage rights.

[77Rumours77]

Ya know, I am not gay, but this offends me! I am christian and I am supposed to go around being like God. I don't judge people for what they do/ stand for/ are/ ect, I am a nice human being who thinks all people are equal no matter what. So just beacsue the pope says its wrong I am supposed to condem every gay person I know (which isnt a lot, but still). No I won't, sorry. This is kinda y I don't go to church. If being gay is a sin so be it, I dont need it shoved down my throat. Everything is a sin GET OVER IT! I AM SINNING NOW! ****! (sorry couldnt help it) Let the pope deal with my dirty mouth and not something stupid like homosexuals.

Ok, I know some of this was very irrelavent from what the main topic was, but i feel i needed to let most people know how I feel.

So let me say ledgies! I treat you all the same, NO MATTER WHAT!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

As I said in another thead, the CC is very conservative when it comes to any kind of sexual issue. It's too bad, because they're mostly liberal in other areas.

It's just a shame that, for those of us whose hopes and dreams of marriage and equal rights are being squashed by these religious institutions and the politicians they have in their pockets, it's not a "sexual issue" at all.

[Moony]

The pope can kiss my gay ass.



77Rumours77, I appreciate your words and viewpoint.

[Nixxxed]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

As I said in another thead, the CC is very conservative when it comes to any kind of sexual issue.

Yeah, they're very vocally against just about every sexual issue except their own priests raping little boys, and then you don't hear a peep outta them.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

The Polish Pope on Saturday also condemned abortion, artificial procreation and equal status for cohabiting couples as undermining the marital state.

And that on top of everything else! No equal status for cohabiting couples. He really is in the Dark Ages. What an idiot! Really--I really think he's an idiot! Not that I had any respect for him beforehand.

Honestly though, I suspect that is a huge part of the anti-gay movement. Forgive for stating the obvious, but I do believe that a huge part of it is keeping men and women in their traditional roles. People usually point to the sex acts and say that the fundies main beef is with them and they claim they are so unusual and disgusting, but it may be more so a gender roles issue. If you've got two people of the same gender in a romantic relationship, all those traditional ideas about the woman staying at home to pop out the babies and the man being the only one working outside the home are shattered.

But enough of that. I know we've talked it to death. Well, okay, I have. On this message board and too many others.

Thank you for your kind words, Jacob!

Hillary

[amber]

What I found so laughable is how the Catholic Church, who has committed countless evil atrocities over the centuries, has the f****** nerve to say anyone is attacking "family". The ones recently talked about on this board, the fact that they helped Nazi war criminals to escape (and in fact the Nazi party to run it's war) and the countless people molested by priests... The hypocrisy makes me sick. And the church has more often than not been evil in some way or another since it's f****** inception.
Whatever.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Nixxxed

Yeah, they're very vocally against just about every sexual issue except their own priests raping little boys, and then you don't hear a peep outta them.

oops - thank you!!!

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well, I condemn that atrocious outfit he wears. Girl needs some color. I guess him and I are even now.

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It's just a shame that, for those of us whose hopes and dreams of marriage and equal rights are being squashed by these religious institutions and the politicians they have in their pockets, it's not a "sexual issue" at all.

I know what you mean Brian. Sexual issues was a poor choice of words, but I meant their collective stance on birth control, sexual orientation, and priest celibacy.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

I know what you mean Brian. Sexual issues was a poor choice of words, but I meant their collective stance on birth control, sexual orientation, and priest celibacy.

I understand what you mean... and I hope the tone of my response didn't seem like it was directed at you personally, Krista.

It's just my particular beef with certain religious institutions. Homosexuality isn't merely about sex... that's what they try to boil it down to, but it's not that simple.
I've been deeply enough in love with another man, that even if sex was something we could never have shared, I still would have wanted to spend my life with him, and grow old with him. I bristle at the very notion of love between two "consenting" adults ever being "wrong," simple because they're of the same gender.

And what's with the condemnation of "artificial procreation"???
Two people in a loving, committed relationship, who desperately want to have children, should just resign themselves to never having those children if one or the other spouse is infertile???

"Sorry, hon, I know how much you want children, but the Pope says, 'Tough ****.'"

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Well, I condemn that atrocious outfit he wears. Girl needs some color. I guess him and I are even now.

Not to mention the fact that that three-foot high mitre (hat) of his is unbecoming on a man of his age. These days it just makes him look like a caricature of himself.
He should ditch it and start wearing berets instead!

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Moony

The pope can kiss my gay ass.

According to rumors about his sexuality - he just might like that

Ah the Catholic Church - that bastion of morality - care to cover up child abuse and cart off sex offenders to different and unsuspecting Parishes and then blame gay people - A$$HOLES

And - that is ashame because the actual Catholic faith and the tons of good it does for the poor will forever in my mind be tainted by this kind of rank hypocrisy

[Moony]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

According to rumors about his sexuality - he just might like that

OMG

Just wanted to say that I agree with everything that you and Brian have said. No need to be ultra redundant.