Kerry Campaign Keeping Eye on Ohio Cases

gldstwmn · #1 12-02-2004, 07:25 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=536&ncid=536

COLUMBUS, Ohio - John Kerry's campaign has joined a lawsuit by third-party presidential candidates seeking a recount in Ohio. A lawyer for the campaign said Thursday the campaign does not question the Democrat's loss but wants any counting to take place statewide.

Kerry's campaign this week joined the suit filed by Green and Libertarian party candidates seeking a recount of the vote in Delaware County. A judge in that county issued a restraining order blocking that request, but the order expired Thursday. A hearing is set in federal court in Columbus on Friday on the recount request.

"The Kerry-Edwards campaign felt it had to intervene," said Daniel Hoffheimer, a Cincinnati lawyer who represents the campaign in Ohio. "We did not want a recount to go forward if it only was 87 (of Ohio's 88) counties."

The two minor parties also have asked for a statewide recount, but a judge ruled that cannot begin until Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell certifies the vote, likely on Monday. The parties say they have raised the $113,600 fee the state requires to conduct the recount.

The Kerry campaign isn't disputing the outcome of President Bush's Nov. 2 victory in Ohio — a 136,000-vote margin, based on unofficial results — but wants to make sure any recount is "done accurately and completely," Hoffheimer said.

Hoffheimer said he knew of no other challenge by the campaign to the national election results. Bush won the national popular vote by about 3 percentage points, but Ohio's 20 electoral votes would have been enough to turn the race for Kerry.

Meanwhile, a lawyer representing a group alleging fraud in the Ohio presidential election put off until at least Friday the filing of a challenge to the results. Cliff Arnebeck, who alleges that votes intended for Kerry were shifted to Bush, said his legal team needed more time to collect and analyze evidence. He said the filing could take place as late as Monday.

In another development, Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., sent a letter to Blackwell asking for his assistance in a House Judiciary Committee Democratic staff investigation of "election irregularities." That probe would be in addition to one sought by the Congressional Budget Office.

Complaints received by congressional Democrats include disparities in vote totals for Democrats on the same ballot; too few voting machines in urban, Democrat-leaning precincts; and organized campaigns directing voters to the wrong polling place.

A message seeking comment was left for Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo.

amber · #2 12-02-2004, 07:27 PM

THanks for posting!

dissention · #3 12-02-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=536&ncid=536

COLUMBUS, Ohio - John Kerry's campaign has joined a lawsuit by third-party presidential candidates seeking a recount in Ohio. A lawyer for the campaign said Thursday the campaign does not question the Democrat's loss but wants any counting to take place statewide.

That says it all. If they aren't going to actually invest in this and even publicly state that it's possible that they won Ohio, they should put up and shut up. They had all of our support on November 3rd, but then they sold us out and now want to play a ****ty, ****ty game of Monday Morning Quarterbacking. No thank you.

I sent cash to Bev Harris and Nader because they are the only ones who can do an honorable job of sorting out this mess and I have faith in them. Kerry and his supposed "campaign," the one that disbanded a month ago, can kiss my royal ass.

strandinthewind · #4 12-02-2004, 08:24 PM

I think the Kerry team had the best legal team and mathemeticians working for them and they all concluded there was not enough of whatever was going on (good and bad) to surmount W's current and unofficial 136,000 lead. I mean as of now, I have not seen any evidence to prove otherwise

- no one has shown that any of the things that went on in Iowa (good and bad) can demonstrate Kerry can keep what he has and also pick up at least 136,001 votes in Iowa while W simultaneusly loses ALL of his urrent 136,000 votes and that W gains no additional votes. It is possible some Bush votes inadvertantly went to Kerry when you are dealing with millions of votes

So, I think Kerry is now perhaps hedging (imagine that

) and saying - all counties should be counted - and I TOTALLY agree they should all be counted and any wrongdoers (R, D, I, whatever) should be brought to justice. I also think Kerry and the D's are WELL aware that many of the D faithful are furious with Kerry for conceding before Iowa was recounted, etc., no matter what his experts told him.

For the recod and despite my loss of faith in the system, I would be elated if the numbers show Kerry won Iowa, but as of now, no one has demonstrated that clearly, etc., and the odds are the recount, sadly, will not

I wonder if (and it is a big if) Iowa's recount shows Kerry won - will W do the right thing? I doubt it.

Anyway - analytical food for thought and no offense intended and hopefully none taken

EDIT - Diss (I read your post after posting) - I totally agree the Kerry campaign was wrong for refusing to call for a recount. All votes should be counted and the R's certainly are going to oppose both that premise and that reality. The D's let all Americans down here IMO.

sparky · #5 12-02-2004, 08:41 PM

This is silly. They need to move on. Even IF they found a trunk of 250,000 Kerry votes, it would take a coup d'etat to get Shrub and his Reptiles outta office. Never happening.

dissention · #6 12-02-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

This is silly. They need to move on. Even IF they found a trunk of 250,000 Kerry votes, it would take a coup d'etat to get Shrub and his Reptiles outta office. Never happening.

Truer words were never spoken. It's useless at this point. They needed to strike while the iron was hot and the Kerry team purposely waited until it was all quiet and cold before doing one single thing. And they still haven't done jack ****. If he thinks he's going to win in '08, he's got another thing coming.

dissention · #7 12-02-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

EDIT - Diss (I read your post after posting) - I totally agree the Kerry campaign was wrong for refusing to call for a recount. All votes should be counted and the R's certainly are going to oppose both that premise and that reality. The D's let all Americans down here IMO.

Which is exactly why I'm no longer a Democrat. That party isn't fit to lick my lily white ass.

amber · #8 12-02-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

This is silly. They need to move on. Even IF they found a trunk of 250,000 Kerry votes, it would take a coup d'etat to get Shrub and his Reptiles outta office. Never happening.

My thing is i really want them to uncover fraud and disgustingness in the Bush Camp. from some of the articles GDW has thoughtfully posted, I'm positive there are some dirty, dirty, dirty things that went on. I want Bush to be outed in a big way for the vile piece of sh** that he and his cronies are.

gldstwmn · #9 12-02-2004, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think the Kerry team had the best legal team

He did. Unfortunately we later found out that Kerry's lawyers were business lawyers, not constitutional scholars.

The Kerry Campaign has been widely referred to by a variety of sources as not the brightest bulb in the chandelier when it comes to this issue. Perhaps they are coming around.

gldstwmn · #10 12-02-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

My thing is i really want them to uncover fraud and disgustingness in the Bush Camp. from some of the articles GDW has thoughtfully posted, I'm positive there are some dirty, dirty, dirty things that went on. I want Bush to be outed in a big way for the vile piece of sh** that he and his cronies are.

Exactly. I will "move on" when hell freezes over.

amber · #11 12-02-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Exactly. I will "move on" when hell freezes over.

Right. And in fact to me, the bigger point is not if Bush got enough votes to win (of course, i would rather he didn't) but the fact the whole voting process was tampered with in such a way. I don't want to live in that country...

gldstwmn · #12 12-02-2004, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I totally agree the Kerry campaign was wrong for refusing to call for a recount.

He is calling for a recount. That's what the article is about.

gldstwmn · #13 12-02-2004, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

Right. And in fact to me, the bigger point is not if Bush got enough votes to win (of course, i would rather he didn't) but the fact the whole voting process was tampered with in such a way. I don't want to live in that country...

People should be outraged over the lack of voting machines in precincts where the majority of the population is African American and/or poor. Making working people wait on line 8-10 hours to vote is abominable and in it's own way fraudulent.

dissention · #14 12-02-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by amber

My thing is i really want them to uncover fraud and disgustingness in the Bush Camp. from some of the articles GDW has thoughtfully posted, I'm positive there are some dirty, dirty, dirty things that went on. I want Bush to be outed in a big way for the vile piece of sh** that he and his cronies are.

I have no doubt that we'll eventually uncover all the vile things this admin. did to steal this election, but the fact remains that at this point, George W. Bush is not going anywhere. It hurts a lot of us to hear that, but it's a fact. If Kerry was a smart man, which he obviously is not, he would have gone after this entire fraud bull**** to begin with. He chose not to and did everything but call us who believed voter fraud happened crazy. He distanced himself from all of it and that is what made me sick. He hung every single person who voted for him out to dry and he doesn't deserve a f*cking thing for doing so. Adding his goddamned name to a list of people and organizations who are suing for a recount doesn't mean **** and it never will. Saying that you aren't disputing the results but that you want to make sure that a recount is done properly is not only cowardly, but disdainful.

He certainly was a patriot at one time, but now he whores with the best of them. F*ck him and the horse he rode in on.

*end-rant*

dissention · #15 12-02-2004, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

He is calling for a recount. That's what the article is about.

A day late and a dollar short, my dear friend. This is like Tom Brady dropping a football and then asking for a replay to make sure he *really* dropped it three weeks after the game.

I feel just as bad as you do and take solace in the fact that this will all come out at some time, but John Forbes Kerry is a cowardly scumbag. I think it's been proven time and time again that Teresa is the only one in that relationship with a set of balls; he certainly doesn't have one.