Government looking at military draft lists

[gldstwmn]

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_...62232_0_10_0_C

By ALMA WALZER
The Monitor

McALLEN, November 15, 2004 — It’s taken one year, seven months and 19 days of combat in Iraq for the Lone Star State to lose 100 of its own.

Texas is the second state, after California, to lose 100 service members, according to The Associated Press.

With continuing war in Iraq and U.S. armed forces dispersed to so many other locations around the globe, Americans may be wondering if compulsory military service could begin again for the first time since the Vietnam War era.

The Selective Service System (SSS) and the U.S. Department of Education now are gearing up to compare their computer records, to make sure all men between the ages of 18 and 25 who are required to register for a military draft have done so.

The SSS and the education department will begin comparing their lists on Jan. 1, 2005, according to a memo authored by Jack Martin, acting Selective Service director.

While similar record checks have been done periodically for the past 10 years, Martin’s memo is dated Oct. 28, just a few days before the Nov. 2 presidential election, a hard-fought campaign in which the question of whether the nation might need to reinstate a military draft was raised in debates and on the stump.

It took several more days, until Nov. 4, for the document to reach the Federal Register, the official daily publication for rules and notices of federal agencies and organizations.

The memo was also produced after the U.S. House voted 402-2 on Oct. 5, against House Resolution 163, a bill that would have required all young people, including women, to serve two years of military service.

Under federal law, a military draft cannot be started without congressional support.

About 94 percent of all men are properly registered for a draft, according to Richard Flahavan, associate director of the office of public and intergovernmental affairs for SSS.

Martin’s memo is just a routine thing, Flahavan said.

“Back in 1982 a federal law was passed that basically linked federal grants, student loans and federal assistance to students with Selective Service,” Flahavan said. “You had to register with Selective Service with a Social Security number (in order to receive federal assistance), and as a consequence of the law the Department of Education came up with an agreement on how to exchange and compare data to comply with the law.

“It just so happens that the current agreement in effect expires next month,” Flahavan said. “All we did is update the agreement slightly, but it has no substantive changes. There is nothing new or shocking to link this to some type of draft right around the corner because its all been in place for almost 18 years.”

Flahavan said the written agreements between SSS and the Department of Education normally run for about four or five years and suggested that a reporter search the 1999 or 2000 records of the Federal Register for the most agreement.

A search of the Federal Register by The Monitor found four such agreements between the two agencies, with effective dates as follows: Jan. 1, 1995; July 1, 1997; Jan. 1, 2000; and July 1, 2002.

All four agreements lasted for 18 months, during which time the SSS and the Department of Education could complete their comparisons.

The most recent agreement, which began July 1, 2002, actually expired Jan. 1, 2004, according to federal records located by The Monitor.

“This has nothing to with current events,” Flahavan said. “This is just the periodic renewal of previous agreements — this one is 18 months but normally it runs four years and that’s why we’re doing it now. I’m not quite sure why it’s 18 months versus the normal number of years.”

Flahavan said the agency was required to place the agreement in the Federal Register.

“That’s fine and we did,” Flahavan said. “We believe the public wouldn’t stand for a draft that isn’t fair and equitable.

“And the only way to be fair and equitable is if everyone who should register is registered, because that’s the pool from which the people who would be drafted would be selected from. So you want everyone who should be in the pot in the pot,” Flahavan said.

U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Austin, who officially begins representing western Hidalgo County residents in January, said Congress has voted on record against a draft.

“It was a near unanimous vote in the House,” Doggett said. “When things are filed in the Federal Register, there will be standards, and they are a reminder that if we cannot get more international participation that the risk of a draft remains out there.

“And I think we do need people to remain watchful of this possibility.”

Doggett said one type of “draft” was already being used by the military.

“I’m concerned that a very real form of the draft is there now for those already in the service,” Doggett said. “People are being forced to stay in beyond their commitment, and that’s an indication of being overextended.

“I want us to pursue policies that don’t overextend us and involve more international participation, so that Americans don’t have to do all the dying and endure all the pain for these international activities,” Doggett said.

Flahavan said the computer records check would help Selective Service with its compliance rates.

“From 1999 to 2000, it was dropping about a percent a year,” Flahavan said. “It’s now inching back up about a percent a year. Last year it was 93 percent.

“At the end of 2004 we anticipate about a 94 percent compliance rate,” Flahavan said. “We’re pleased we’ve got it back on the rise and that’s where we want to keep it — that’s our goal.”

Draft Gear Up?
Who Has To Register?
All male U.S. citizens and male aliens living in the U.S. between the ages of 18 and 25
Dual nationals of the U.S. and another country, regardless of where they live
Young men who are in prison or mental institutions do not have to regsiter while they are committed, but must do so if they are released and not reached age 26
Disabled men who live at home and can move about indiependently.
Myths
Contrary to popular belief, only sons and the last son to carry a family name must register and they can be drafted.
What Happens In A Draft
Congress would likely approve a military draft in a time of crisis, in which the mission requires more troops than are in the volunteer military.
Selective Service procedures would treat married men or those with children the same as single men.
The first men to be called up will be those whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed by those age 21, 22, 23,24 and 25.
The last men to be called are 18 and 19 years of age.
Historical Facts
The last man to be drafted was in June 1973.
Number of Drafted for WWI : 2.8 million
Number of Drafted for WWII: 10 million
Number of Drafted for the Korean War: 1.5 million
Number of Drafted for the Vietnam War: 1.8 million
Source: Selective Service System

[skcin]

Scary stuff. I'm selfishly glad that I'm not a guy & that Mark's too old (although he is a veteran, out for 10 years, so I always have a little worry in the back of my mind that they'll make him go back.)

I was shocked that so many were drafted for WWII - I guess I had this naive idea that our veterans of that war were all enlisted men who wanted to go & fight. Duh. I will blame my ignorance on movies romanticizing WWII & that whole era.

Paula

[strandinthewind]

I still think it political suicide to institute the draft. But, I fail to see how the objectives of the current U.S. policy can be achieved with the comparatively limited number of service people we currently have. So, we shall see what happens. I hope they do not reinstitute the draft.

Interestingly, if all people who vehemently supported the war in Iraq had either gone themselves or if unable to do that, sent their children, we would have plenty of troops there. Alas, few have the gumption to stick that closely to their ideals

[Neal]

Canada's looking better and better every day...

[greatdarkwing]

Scare tactics and propoganda....period.

~Alex

[ontheEdgeof17]

Personally, I don't *think* I can be drafted. I am the only grandson on my dad's side and will be the last one to carry my last name. Is this a true rule or a myth I have heard about?

[greatdarkwing]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Personally, I don't *think* I can be drafted. I am the only grandson on my dad's side and will be the last one to carry my last name. Is this a true rule or a myth I have heard about?

Theres not going to be a draft...PERIOD...Its political suicide as was stated above.

~Alex

[Neal]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

Personally, I don't *think* I can be drafted. I am the only grandson on my dad's side and will be the last one to carry my last name. Is this a true rule or a myth I have heard about?

According to the article, that's a myth. I wish that were the case, since I'm also the last one with my last name. Not that it matters because I have no intention of having children, much less having sex with a girl...

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Theres not going to be a draft...PERIOD...Its political suicide as was stated above.

~Alex

I didn't say there was going to be. With war, there's always the possibility......

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by Neal

According to the article, that's a myth. I wish that were the case, since I'm also the last one with my last name. Not that it matters because I have no intention of having children, much less having sex with a girl...

You're right. I missed that part of the article.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Neal

According to the article, that's a myth. I wish that were the case, since I'm also the last one with my last name. Not that it matters because I have no intention of having children, much less having sex with a girl...

Then - you should have no trouble opting out - just "tell" - and according to the cases over the years, telling can take carying forms - once such, if memory serves me correctly at this age - is to take an ad on AOL with your picture

I am willing to bet, however, that so many will "tell" that, in the interest of national security, the "you get out if your a telling gay person" provision will be suspended. In other words, gay people will suddenly be clean enough to serve their country openly and any hit the morale will take by having openly gay people will be outweighed by the exigency of the national threat. Once that is over, gay people are not moral enough to fight for their country

Sorry - it is a cynical day so far!!!!!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Theres not going to be a draft...PERIOD...Its political suicide as was stated above.

~Alex

But you're enlisting anyway, right? I mean since you think this war is the right thing to do and all...

[Neal]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Then - you should have no trouble opting out - just "tell" - and according to the cases over the years, telling can take carying forms - once such, if memory serves me correctly at this age - is to take an ad on AOL with your picture

I am willing to bet, however, that so many will "tell" that, in the interest of national security, the "you get out if your a telling gay person" provision will be suspended. In other words, gay people will suddenly be clean enough to serve their country openly and any hit the morale will take by having openly gay people will be outweighed by the exigency of the national threat. Once that is over, gay people are not moral enough to fight for their country

Sorry - it is a cynical day so far!!!!!

Oh believe me, I have more than enough incriminating evidence out there on the web...

And I don't think you're cynical, just realistic.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

But you're enlisting anyway, right? I mean since you think this war is the right thing to do and all...

I would hope he's still registering or else he will regret it later on down the road. Don't even think of applying for federal loans/grants for school if you don't register, you'll get into mondo trouble.

[greatdarkwing]

I have my card thank you very much

~Alex