The Official Presidential debate thread

[greatdarkwing]

Well, since I go to the Univeristy of Miami, I figured it would be only right that I start the thread for the first debate . Things on campus are crazy right now. All the news stations (local and national) have set up shop ALL OVER campus, and it is all one big mess. By 9 AM there is no partking anywhere to be found. This has to do with the parking lots that were closed for security reasons. Its actually a real exciting atmosphere though. The air smells of politics and I love it...

Just wanted to share...

BTW, I have a feeling this thread will reach gigantic proportions in the coming days

~Alex

[greatdarkwing]

Oh, and I will be watching the debate from a Republican party with spoecial guests Tommy Franks, Jenna and Barbra Bush, Guiliani, Ann Coulter, and Dissention ( ). I'll lket you guys know how that goes too, even though most of you will verbally incinerate me

~Alex

[DeeGeMe]

Get this--Fox will be operating the cameras for this debate.

[greatdarkwing]

Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

Get this--Fox will be operating the cameras for this debate.

No better network to handle the task

~Alex

[dissention]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Oh, and I will be watching the debate from a Republican party with spoecial guests Tommy Franks

Senile old fool. Was rarely even told what was going on in Iraq...and rarely asked.

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Jenna and Barbra Bush

Verbally-challenged drunks with no manners.

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Guiliani

Exploits 9/11 for political gain, both for him and Bush. Opposes free speech and helped the NYPD in covering up murders.

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

Ann Coulter

A liar and a fraud. Is having a torrid affair with Sean Hannity. Large Adams Apple leads me to believe that she is a transexual, or an unconvincing transvestite.

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

and Dissention ( ).

Glad to know you have at least one sane truth-teller in the bunch. Otherwise, the toxicity would kill you.

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

I'll lket you guys know how that goes too, even though most of you will verbally incinerate me

I think any Bush supporter has it coming to them. And they call us the ideologues. Ha.

Oh, and you're only missing O'Lielly. You could have asked him how his latest porn novel was coming!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

Get this--Fox will be operating the cameras for this debate.

AND - there will be a ten second delay in the feed.

[strandinthewind]

Networks balk at Bush-Kerry debate agreement
Several indicate they will not be bound by limits on cameras



(CNN) -- Although the Bush and Kerry camps have meticulously crafted an agreement on the rules for this year's presidential debates, the television networks broadcasting them refuse to go along with the plans.

Specifically, the networks object to provisions in the agreement that place limits on their cameras, including prohibitions on shots of one candidate while the other is answering questions.

"Because of journalistic standards, we're not going to follow outside restrictions," said Paul Schur, a spokesman for Fox News, which is manning the pool camera for the first debate Thursday in Miami, Florida.

"This is a news pool, and we are not subject to agreements between candidates," NBC News spokeswoman Barbara Levin said. "We will use pictures as we see fit."

CNN spokesman Matthew Furman said the network "reserves the right to make our own decisions about coverage during the debate, just as we always have."

ABC News and CBS News are also objecting to the limits, with a CBS spokeswoman insisting that "we will utilize any shots the pool makes available."

Also, at least two of the television journalists chosen to moderate the debates -- ABC's Charles Gibson and CBS's Bob Schieffer -- have not signed the agreement on ground rules hammered out between the two campaigns, according to their networks.

The other two moderators are Gwen Ifill and Jim Lehrer, both of PBS, which has not yet commented.

Under terms of the agreement reached last week between the Bush and Kerry campaigns after lengthy negotiations, moderators who refuse to sign the document can be replaced.

The 32-page agreement sets out the rules for the debates with great specificity, down to details such as the temperature of the hall, what kind of paper can be used to take notes and who can stand in the wings.

Monday, the Commission on Presidential Debates, the independent group that plays host to the debates, said it would agree to enforce the rules reached in the agreement between the Bush and Kerry campaigns and that there "will be no departure from the terms" unless there is "prior consultation with, and approval by, the appropriate campaign representatives."

However, the commission did not formally sign the agreement, and its co-chairman, Frank Fahrenkopf, told The New York Times that the restrictions on what the networks can show are unenforceable.

"We don't control the feed, so we don't know what the networks are going to show," said Fahrenkopf, a former chairman of the Republican National Committee. "That's not within our purview."

The New York Times also reported that the commission may balk at a provision in the agreement setting out the make-up of the audience for the town hall debate between Bush and Kerry on October 8 in St. Louis, Missouri.

The campaigns agreed that the audience would be divided between people leaning toward Bush and those leaning toward Kerry. The debate commission wants the hall full of undecided voters in neither camp.

Under terms of their agreement, either the Bush or Kerry campaigns could opt out of the debates, or seek another sponsor, if the commission does not sign on to their terms. There is no indication either camp is contemplating such a move.

The document does not address what might happen if the television networks refuse to abide by the rules.

Responding to the media's recalcitrance, Kerry campaign spokeswoman Christine Anderson said "every time you have something like this, there are going to be small details to be worked out. They are being worked out."

The Bush campaign declined to comment directly on the networks' objections. However, spokesman Scott Stanzel described the president's camp as "looking forward to all of the debates."

"We are pleased the commission said they would follow the terms of the agreement of the campaigns," he said.

The debate commission has not commented on the media's objections to the rules.


Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ion/index.html

[dissention]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

No better network to handle the task

~Alex

C'mon, you don't honestly believe that. Buy Outfoxed, man. The facts in that film cannot be refuted.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

C'mon, you don't honestly believe that. Buy Outfoxed, man. The facts in that film cannot be refuted.

Perhaps true, but with the CBS scandal, it appears CBS is biased the other way. So, yin and yang to me!!!!!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Also, at least two of the television journalists chosen to moderate the debates -- ABC's Charles Gibson and CBS's Bob Schieffer -- have not signed the agreement on ground rules hammered out between the two campaigns, according to their networks.

I would have preferred Diane Sawyer. Or even Cynthia McFadden (I've had a crush on her for years ).

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

I would have preferred Diane Sawyer. Or even Cynthia McFadden (I've had a crush on her for years ).

I really like Cynthia - she has a very nice way about her, her cadence, manner, effect, etc.

As for Diane - she is okay, but can you say the Michael Jackson interview

[greatdarkwing]

Originally Posted by dissention

Oh, and you're only missing O'Lielly. You could have asked him how his latest porn novel was coming!

He tells me your signed copy is in the mail...LOL!

~Alex

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Perhaps true, but with the CBS scandal, it appears CBS is biased the other way. So, yin and yang to me!!!!!

No way. I will not even attempt to dissect the CBS controversy because they were completely wrong, but there are no media watchdog reports from before the document scandal that suggests that they were liberally biased in the past year.

Faux is GOP swill, always has been.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by greatdarkwing

He tells me your signed copy is in the mail...LOL!

~Alex

Along with Lynne Cheney's latest lesbian opus.

Such hypocrites.

[greatdarkwing]

Originally Posted by dissention

A liar and a fraud. Is having a torrid affair with Sean Hannity. Large Adams Apple leads me to believe that she is a transexual, or an unconvincing transvestite.

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!