'President Bush You Killed My Son'

strandinthewind · #1 09-17-2004, 07:20 PM

Woman in 'President Bush You Killed My Son' T-Shirt Disrupts Laura Bush Rally

Thursday, September 16, 2004

HAMILTON, N.J. — A woman wearing a T-shirt with the words "President Bush You Killed My Son" and a picture of a soldier killed in Iraq was detained Thursday after she interrupted a campaign speech by first lady Laura Bush (search).

Police escorted Sue Niederer of Hopewell, N.J., from a rally at a firehouse after she demanded to know why her son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq (search). Dvorin died in February while trying to disarm a bomb.

As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Niederer, standing in the middle of a crowd of some 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son. Secret Service (search) and local police escorted her out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van.

Niederer was later charged with defiant trespass and released.

The first lady continued speaking, touting her husband's record on the economy, health care and the war on terror to those attending the rally in this suburban community of 90,000 people near Trenton.

Mrs. Bush made several references to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks during her speech. She said that many in New Jersey, including some in neighborhoods near the firehouse, lost family members that day.

"Too many people here had a loved one that went to work in New York that day," Bush said. "It's for our country, it's for our children, our grandchildren that we do the hard work of confronting terror."

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frien...132654,00.html

Then - in an interview on Anderson Cooper's show this woman said the whole excuse that she was interrupting the First Lady was bogus because everyone who was chanting "Four More Years" and whooping and hollering was also interrupting the First Lady and those people were not arrested. She has a point IMO.

TO be fair - neither party will allow this kind of heckling - so it is not just the R's.

BUT - I think this woman is GREAT for it!!!!!

See also:

Laura Bush heckled during campaign speech
'President Bush You Killed My Son' on mother's T-shirt

HAMILTON, New Jersey (CNN) -- The mother of a soldier killed in Iraq was arrested Thursday in Hamilton, New Jersey, after interrupting a campaign speech by first lady Laura Bush. As police hauled her away, she shouted "police brutality."

Wearing a T-shirt with the message "President Bush You Killed My Son," Sue Niederer of nearby Hopewell screamed questions at the first lady as the audience tried to drown her out by chanting "four more years, four more years."

She kept shouting at Bush, and eventually police removed her from the firehouse rally.

The first lady finished her speech in praise of the administration's actions in the war on terror and on the economy.

Outside, Niederer said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?"

She went on to blame the president for the death of her 24-year-old son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin. He was killed February 3 while trying to defuse a roadside bomb that exploded.

As Hamilton police and Secret Service agents surrounded her and reporters pressed her with questions, she held her ground, saying she had a ticket to attend the speech.

Police handcuffed her and led her to a nearby van. She repeatedly shouted "police brutality," and demanded to know her rights and the charges.

Later, she was charged with defiant trespass and released.

Since her son's death, Niederer has spoken repeatedly against the Iraq conflict. She is active in the antiwar group Military Families Speak Out.

The Pittsburgh Independent Media Center reported that she recently participated in demonstrations around the Republican National Convention in New York.

In March, The Toronto Star reported that she had demonstrated outside Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington, D.C., where many wounded soldiers are treated; and at Dover Air Force base, where soldiers' remains arrive back in the United States..

Neither the Bush campaign nor the Hamilton police would comment on the incident.

Find this article at:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...ter/index.html

77Rumours77 · #2 09-17-2004, 07:34 PM

OMG! Good for you Sue Niederer!!!!!!

Someone needs to show Bush that US citizens have feelings and loosing a kid is something that can destroy someone! I don't ever want to imagine what I would do if one of my kids died (although I dont have one... but still). Maybe this message will get to Bush.. But I doubt it... O and this statment.... (Which I hop is not how it seems)....

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Laura Bush heckled during campaign speech
'President Bush You Killed My Son' on mother's T-shirt

**** her!

strandinthewind · #3 09-17-2004, 07:40 PM

Again, they just let their hell raising kids tear up the US - I mean imagine the havoc their serious partying could cause on Iraq

dissention · #4 09-17-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

TO be fair - neither party will allow this kind of heckling - so it is not just the R's.

Bull****. John Edwards welcomes it and responds to it.

strandinthewind · #5 09-17-2004, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Bull****. John Edwards welcomes it and responds to it.

So - noone is ever ejected from a Democratic speech for heckling - I think you know beter than that

As for Edwards, could be - but it would be the exception rather than the rule. Again, I am talking only about the people in the auditorium, not the usual hecklers on the street, which La Heinz-Kerry apparently loves to her husband's quiet chagrain

dissention · #6 09-17-2004, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So - noone is ever ejected from a Democratic speech for heckling - I think you know beter than that

As for Edwards, could be - but it would be the exception rather than the rule. Again, I am talking only about the people in the auditorium, not the usual hecklers on the street, which La Heinz-Kerry apparently loves to her husband's quiet chagrain

I was talking about rallies for the current candidates, not every Democratic speech.

strandinthewind · #7 09-17-2004, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I was talking about rallies for the current candidates, not every Democratic speech.

well, this was in reference to a speech - that is what I was talking about - please read more carefully

irishgrl · #8 09-17-2004, 08:36 PM

in the name of Defense of ????? not liberty, or life, or homeland or...

The young men and women who DIE following the orders of the COMMANDER IN CHIEF are pawns (sacrificed) in the name of Democracy.... IT MAKES ME SICK.

has anyone besides me ever seen BILLY JACK?????? There's a snapshot about power and prejudice....

Nixxxed · #9 09-17-2004, 10:32 PM

They showed video of the arrest last night on one of the news show -- Countdown, I think. She was a fiesty lady! The cops (or possibly rent-a-cops doing security), took her by each arm and tried to gently lead her away, but she wouldn't have it. Then, all the reporters filming and interviewing her started yelling at the cops too.

estranged4life · #10 09-17-2004, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by irishgrl

in the name of Defense of ????? not liberty, or life, or homeland or...

The young men and women who DIE following the orders of the COMMANDER IN CHIEF are pawns (sacrificed) in the name of Democracy.... IT MAKES ME SICK.

has anyone besides me ever seen BILLY JACK?????? There's a snapshot about power and prejudice....

"Billy Jack" and you're right...Power & prejudice indeed!

Aw America, Where a person cannot speak against a death from War without being arrested...Sounds like BULLS--T to me!

Brian "Killing in the Name Of God" j.

gldstwmn · #11 09-17-2004, 11:16 PM

They have wisely, IMO, decided not to press charges. That poor woman has been through enough.

GateandGarden · #12 09-17-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Outside, Niederer said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?"

That's a damn good question. I don't know how they can dismiss that woman so easily when that is so painfully obvious.

Hillary

**mylittledemon** · #13 09-18-2004, 06:04 PM

Ugh. I hate when parents come out and do that. I am all to familiar with grief, but I see that as shaming the memory of your child. Her son CHOSE to be in the service. He freely gave his life to serve the country. Of course he didn't choose to die, and it's unfortunate that he was killed, no doubt about that. However, those unfortunate things happen in war. I dont mean to sound apathetic towards those families that have lost loved ones; but that's the sad truth of it.

strandinthewind · #14 09-18-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Ugh. I hate when parents come out and do that. I am all to familiar with grief, but I see that as shaming the memory of your child. Her son CHOSE to be in the service. He freely gave his life to serve the country. Of course he didn't choose to die, and it's unfortunate that he was killed, no doubt about that. However, those unfortunate things happen in war. I dont mean to sound apathetic towards those families that have lost loved ones; but that's the sad truth of it.

I agree, but that is not the point of her question, which you apparently did not get. Her point was I realize my son chose to defend this country and I am not disagreeing with that choice. What I disagree with is you Mr. Commander in Chief promised him, me, and all Americans, you would NEVER go to war unless we had to and we now know we did not have to go to this war, but we did. AND - you claim you are doing God's calling and this war is a holy endeavor, yet you do not send your own children and you never went to war when you could have. Yet, you sendf other people' kids, who you promised to protect and never use in vain.

So, this soldier's volunteering really has nothing to do with it from that point of view.

But, there are people who will never see that and that to me is sad.

**mylittledemon** · #15 09-18-2004, 06:19 PM

I was just responding to the articles in general. I didnt realize a question had been asked. At any rate...I am anti war myself. I also think to say this is a "holy" war is incorrect. I would never bring any sort of Godly connotation into it, then you're asking for more trouble. But I also feel that bringing down someone like Hussein is a good thing. The people in the Middle East are suffering and have been for many many years. It would be a shame for us, the most privelged nation on earth, to sit idly by while Hussein not only threatens us but his own people as well. The world is and will be a better place because of what has been accomplished there. Imagine how badly things might have gone if Bush had chosen to NOT invade? Imagine what things could have happened to this nation? I know "what ifs" come into play quite often and then its a question of semantics. Whether Bush went about it the right way or not IS perhaps in question. But I do feel choosing to stop Hussein and terrorist organizations is the right thing to do. I'm not condoning the war, and I'm not supporting it either. Which may be even worse that choosing a "side"...