Hitler Reappears in '04 Campaign, This Time in Bush Ad

[gldstwmn]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/26/po...n/26webad.html

WASHINGTON, June 25 - Suddenly, Adolf Hitler has become a bit player in the 2004 presidential campaign.

President Bush's campaign Web site is featuring an advertisement casting Senator John Kerry and his allies as a "coalition of the wild-eyed," blending clips of former Vice President Al Gore, former Gov. Howard Dean of Vermont and the filmmaker Michael Moore shouting about Mr. Bush. Interspersed twice are images of a shouting Hitler, drawn from a Web spot that MoveOn.org, the Internet advocacy group that runs anti-Bush advertisements, briefly posted months ago in a contest for advertisements about the president.

MoveOn.org quickly removed the advertisement from its site. But it resurfaces in the Bush-Cheney campaign's compendium of clips, and the result appears to liken Mr. Gore's and Mr. Dean's shouting to Hitler's.

Mary Beth Cahill, Mr. Kerry's campaign manager, sent out a fund-raising letter on Friday accusing the Bush campaign of "losing any last sense of decency" by posting the new advertisement.

"Bizarrely, and without explanation, the ad places Adolf Hitler among those faces," Ms. Cahill's letter said, demanding that the Bush-Cheney campaign pull the spot. "The use of Adolf Hitler by any campaign, politician or party is simply wrong," she wrote.

Kerry campaign officials said that MoveOn.org operated independently and that the campaign had nothing to do with the posting of the Hitler images on MoveOn.org's Web site.

The Bush campaign's Web video was sent electronically to the six million people on its e-mail list.

Nicolle Devenish, a spokeswoman for the Bush campaign, said, "We share Senator Kerry's outrage with what Kerry's surrogates created in the form of a Web video that was on MoveOn.org's web site."

"The video was created to show our supporters what we're up against,'' Ms. Devenish said. "Team Kerry is an angry, rage-filled group that offers no positive vision for America."

The videos that had featured Hitler on the MoveOn.org Web site were posted in January, when operatives in both major parties thought Mr. Dean would be the Democrats' presidential nominee. They were posted along with more than 1,500 submissions to a contest soliciting homemade advertisements critical of Mr. Bush. They were soon removed, with Wes Boyd, a MoveOn.org founder, saying they were in "poor taste."

The advertisement on the Bush-Cheney Web site, georgewbush.com, opens with a close-up image of Mr. Gore shouting, "How dare they drag the good name of the United States of America through the mud of Saddam Hussein's torture prison." A fuzzy image of Hitler with the MoveOn.org logotype visible immediately follows, along with shouts of "Sieg Heil."

Mr. Dean is then shown shouting, "I want my country back," followed by brief clips of Mr. Moore and Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri and then Hitler again, though the MoveOn.org source is not shown this time. Mr. Gore is immediately shown again, shouting that Mr. Bush had "betrayed this country." Finally comes Mr. Kerry, denouncing the president.

The advertisement ends with upbeat music and the written message "This is not a time for pessimism and rage."

[Gwillaker]

[SARCASM]Damn liberals are evil liars peddling propaganda. A conservative would NEVER do such a thing![/SARCASM]

(No offence conservatives out there )

I dunno. If anybody reminds me of Hitler, its Dubya! When Hitler was around he had books burned, peoples thoughts and opinions censored, and propaganda thrown around left, right and center.

Patriot act anyone?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Gwillaker

[SARCASM]Damn liberals are evil liars peddling propaganda. A conservative would NEVER do such a thing![/SARCASM]

(No offence conservatives out there )

I dunno. If anybody reminds me of Hitler, its Dubya! When Hitler was around he had books burned, peoples thoughts and opinions censored, and propaganda thrown around left, right and center.

Patriot act anyone?

We already had this argument last year

Essentially, Dissention and Goldie people scream W is just like Hitler and cite to his world aggression, the Patriot Act, Gitmo, and other similar things. To them, that and a few other things are enough of a connection to justify saying W is like Hitler. The opposition, who, like me cannot stand W but hate Hitler worse, point out W is not rounding up Jews and gays and then shipping them off to perform experiments on them, make lamp shades out of their foreskin, and then starve and gas or bake them - AND - W has not to my knowledge claimed Iraq or Afganistan as part of the US (at least yet ). Moreover, a significant number of Democrat's voted for the Patriot Act. So, if you gonna call a spade a spade IMO you must include all players And - I am unsure of anyone being arrested and then killed for saying their opinion. Hitler did that. So far, W has not. I guess it just depends on how you look at it.

In the end, W is a lying jerk and I hope he does not get reelected. I think he forced the war in Iraq by making up evidence regarding the exigent nature of the threat when he realized the threat, which was real according the world's authorities, was not enough. That is an autrocity I cannot live with. He just is in no way anything approaching Hitler, even though saying so makes for good copy I mean Hitler would have just invaded Iraq and made no pretense afterward. But, that is my opinion and other's differ

[Gwillaker]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

We already had this argument last year

Essentially, Dissention and Goldie people scream W is just like Hitler and cite to his world aggression, the Patriot Act, Gitmo, and other similar things. To them, that and a few other things are enough of a connection to justify saying W is like Hitler. The opposition, who, like me cannot stand W but hate Hitler worse, point out W is not rounding up Jews and gays and then shipping them off to perform experiments on them, make lamp shades out of their foreskin, and then starve and gas or bake them - AND - W has not to my knowledge claimed Iraq or Afganistan as part of the US (at least yet ). Moreover, a significant number of Democrat's voted for the Patriot Act. So, if you gonna call a spade a spade IMO you must include all players And - I am unsure of anyone being arrested and then killed for saying their opinion. Hitler did that. So far, W has not. I guess it just depends on how you look at it.

In the end, W is a lying jerk and I hope he does not get reelected. I think he forced the war in Iraq by making up evidence regarding the exigent nature of the threat when he realized the threat, which was real according the world's authorities, was not enough. That is an autrocity I cannot live with. He just is in no way anything approaching Hitler, even though saying so makes for good copy I mean Hitler would have just invaded Iraq and made no pretense afterward. But, that is my opinion and other's differ

Sorry for bringing up an old argument! I know how tedius these political "discussions" can become! You've made very good points. I guess Hitler was worse...

Of course, with the patriot act they can bust people and not say a word about it, so I wonder...

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Gwillaker

Sorry for bringing up an old argument! I know how tedius these political "discussions" can become! You've made very good points. I guess Hitler was worse...

Of course, with the patriot act they can bust people and not say a word about it, so I wonder...

No prob. In fact, I just re read my post above. I hope I came off as explaining and not a jerk - If I did Do not fret, the use of Hitler has entered the vernacular. I mean we used to call a nun at my hight school in the early 80's "Hitler in a Habit" Although she was a tough woman, she was hardly a Hitler So, I think people are used to that def. of Hitler Then, there was "Springtime for Hitler" from Mel Brooks and his personal portrayal of Hitler in the remake of "To be or not to be" - both of which are brilliant

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

We already had this argument last year

Essentially, Dissention and Goldie people scream W is just like Hitler and cite to his world aggression, the Patriot Act, Gitmo, and other similar things.

Don't forget the comparison of 9/11 to the Reichstag fire.

To them, that and a few other things are enough of a connection to justify saying W is like Hitler. The opposition, who, like me cannot stand W but hate Hitler worse, point out W is not rounding up Jews and gays and then shipping them off to perform experiments on them, make lamp shades out of their foreskin, and then starve and gas or bake them - AND - W has not to my knowledge claimed Iraq or Afganistan as part of the US (at least yet ). cool

We never said Bush was guilty of The Holocaust. We merely point out some similarities in the two regimes by which we think Bush is turning the U.S. inot a fascist state.

Moreover, a significant number of Democrat's voted for the Patriot Act. So, if you gonna call a spade a spade IMO you must include all players And - I am unsure of anyone being arrested and then killed for saying their opinion. Hitler did that. So far, W has not. I guess it just depends on how you look at it.
In the end, W is a lying jerk and I hope he does not get reelected. I think he forced the war in Iraq by making up evidence regarding the exigent nature of the threat when he realized the threat, which was real according the world's authorities, was not enough. That is an autrocity I cannot live with. He just is in no way anything approaching Hitler, even though saying so makes for good copy I mean Hitler would have just invaded Iraq and made no pretense afterward. But, that is my opinion and other's differ :

Don't you find it ironic that Bush himself is now running an ad that compares him to Hitler? If you want to see it, let me know, I will send you the link. It's freaky. I can't even beleive they think this ad will do them any good.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Gwillaker

Sorry for bringing up an old argument! I know how tedius these political "discussions" can become! You've made very good points. I guess Hitler was worse...

Of course, with the patriot act they can bust people and not say a word about it, so I wonder...

The Supreme Court decision the other day was the first step in dismantling Miranda. You now have to tell the cops your name. What happened to the right to remain silent?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The Supreme Court decision the other day was the first step in dismantling Miranda. You now have to tell the cops your name. What happened to the right to remain silent?

You only have the right to remain silent, the right to a lawyer, etc. after you are arrested. But, before you are arrested, they cannot make you talk. You can sit there and not say a word and there is not a whole lot they can do. As we saw with Martha Stewart, it pretty much is seemingly best to refuse to answer any questions without counsel present. AND - the Fourth Amend. rt. against illegal search and seizure has been dying for years, unfortunately IMO.

W compared himself to Hitler? Pls send it to [email protected] - I gotta see that!!!!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You only have the right to remain silent, the right to a lawyer, etc. after you are arrested. But, before you are arrested, they cannot make you talk.

They can now.
The file is too big. Let me find the link for you.

[gldstwmn]

Gawd, I hate to promote this web site

http://www.georgewbush.com/

[strandinthewind]

So, he is saying that although we may have done a little torture in Iraq and perhaps elsewhere, it was not THAT bad when comapred to the ovens of Hitler. I mean COME ON!

But, Rove is smart, he knows he needs the base not to stray and they have not hope of any self -respecting Democrat. So, the commerical plays to that, esp. the light hearted and fell good music at the end - BLECHHH!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

So, he is saying that although we may have done a little torture in Iraq and perhaps elsewhere, it was not THAT bad when comapred to the ovens of Hitler. I mean COME ON!

But, Rove is smart, he knows he needs the base not to stray and they have not hope of any self -respecting Democrat. So, the commerical plays to that, esp. the light hearted and fell good music at the end - BLECHHH!

It''s freaky. Doesn't he have to come on at the end and say "I'm George Bush and I approve of this ad"? I was waiting for that.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

It''s freaky. Doesn't he have to come on at the end and say "I'm George Bush and I approve of this ad"? I was waiting for that.

It said something like that - maybe it was paid for by Bush Cheney 04, etc. Well, he loses his ability to yell at the D's for comparing him to Hitler. Interestingly, Rove lumps Kerry into that Hitler name calling and to my knowledge Kerry has never called W Hitler or compared him to Hitler nor would he ever IMO. Yet, W will sink that low.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Moreover, a significant number of Democrat's voted for the Patriot Act.

Which is heartbreaking. Watch Fahrenheit 9/11, the parts that deal with the Patriot Act are shocking. The fact that Congress didn't even read it before passing it is a slap in the face to us.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

We already had this argument last year

Essentially, Dissention and Goldie people scream W is just like Hitler and cite to his world aggression, the Patriot Act, Gitmo, and other similar things. To them, that and a few other things are enough of a connection to justify saying W is like Hitler. The opposition, who, like me cannot stand W but hate Hitler worse, point out W is not rounding up Jews and gays and then shipping them off to perform experiments on them, make lamp shades out of their foreskin, and then starve and gas or bake them - AND - W has not to my knowledge claimed Iraq or Afganistan as part of the US (at least yet ). Moreover, a significant number of Democrat's voted for the Patriot Act. So, if you gonna call a spade a spade IMO you must include all players And - I am unsure of anyone being arrested and then killed for saying their opinion. Hitler did that. So far, W has not. I guess it just depends on how you look at it.

I stand by my assessment that this is the 43rd Reich. It is and they won't stop until this country perishes under their greed and hate.

We never said he resembled Hitler when it came to killing people (although one could make the case that he's murdering thousands for nothing in Iraq simply to gain popularity and money...), we said he resembled Hitler when it come to his thirst for power and disdain for everyone else who isn't him.