I get frustrated sometimes

**jbrownsjr** · #1 04-23-2004, 05:01 PM

I'm not trying to lecture, I'm actually wondering if anyone else get frustrated with rude superficial comments.

Sometimes with people around me and sometimes reading this board. I see and hear comments like. Wow Stevie looks fat, or old. Or the worst one was "man Stevie got ugly" Or wow Lindsey has aged so much he looks worn out. And finally, Christine looks really old or "she was always the ugly one".

It's one thing to criticize someone's musicianship, (which can be harsh to begin with) but another to slam on the way somebody looks. I don't have a complex or anything, I just shake my head at the some of the world's behavior sometimes. I hope I look as good as FM when I'm 50 or 60. And I hope I have the guts they do when I reach their ages.....

If I never saw what SN, LB or CM looked like, I can only imagine how beautiful the images would be in my mind due to the beautiful music they have produced over the years. Yeah, I know it's the way the world is, but it's frustrating.

Just some food for thought before the weekend

shackin'up · #2 04-23-2004, 05:33 PM

I can get frustrated, but never by brainless comments. The internet's a free space, so there are d*mb*sses everywhere. Every disadvantage has it's adventage. There are mostly sane humorous and interesting posters, too. Focus on them.

**jbrownsjr** · #3 04-23-2004, 05:40 PM

There are mostly sane humorous and interesting posters, too. Focus on them.[/QUOTE]

I do, but I was mostly referring to people outside this board. This board has some really intelligent FM fans.

Villavic · #4 04-23-2004, 05:51 PM

Well, it is show business and Look has always been there.

And since MTV arrived in the early 80s, look became more important for rockers.

Though it is not big deal, we care about it anyway. If not, why did we vote for Stevie at People's magazine Most Beautiful People few years ago?

And in that magazine, when she was in the list, her article said she said she can loose all her baggage in a flight but NEVER her makeup case.

So she also cares about look. Why? Because she is human, like us.

It is not the most important thing in a musician, it shouldn't be! But I don't find it wrong to talk about it. Of course, I do find wrong if somebody says "i don't buy the album because they look old". That's bullsheet.

Yes, I think Stevie is a bit fat. Yes I wish she had Cher's body, but not big deal anyway. And Chris look beauty but very old in her latest pic. And to me that is... nostalgia. Nostalgia because I'm 37 and I'm getting older too. I miss the old times, the 80s. I'm happy now, but it's natural in humans to miss the past.

I don't find offensive the comments about being old or fat (of course if they are not bad deliberated). It's natural, we are humans. It is not the most important, but it is there. It will always be.

**jbrownsjr** · #5 04-23-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic

Well, it is show business and Look has always been there.

And since MTV arrived in the early 80s, look became more important for rockers.

Though it is not big deal, we care about it anyway. If not, why did we vote for Stevie at People's magazine Most Beautiful People few years ago?

And in that magazine, when she was in the list, her article said she said she can loose all her baggage in a flight but NEVER her makeup case.

So she also cares about look. Why? Because she is human, like us.

It is not the most important thing in a musician, it shouldn't be! But I don't find it wrong to talk about it. Of course, I do find wrong if somebody says "i don't buy the album because they look old". That's bullsheet.

Yes, I think Stevie is a bit fat. Yes I wish she had Cher's body, but not big deal anyway. And Chris look beauty but very old in her latest pic. And to me that is... nostalgia. Nostalgia because I'm 37 and I'm getting older too. I miss the old times, the 80s. I'm happy now, but it's natural in humans to miss the past.

I don't find offensive the comments about being old or fat (of course if they are not bad deliberated). It's natural, we are humans. It is not the most important, but it is there. It will always be.

I don't get offended, I just said it's frustrating sometimes, and in my opinion ignorant. I guess I don't follow what the rest of the world and MTV does.

golddustdragon · #6 04-23-2004, 06:54 PM

In this age of face lifts and botox, yes it does seem like Christine is ugly. That's a bit stupid. Just because she's letting the wrinkles in doesn't mean she's ugly. In fact, those with face lifts look awful most of the time.

ShangriLaTroubl · #7 04-23-2004, 07:35 PM

there's def. a big difference in discussing Stevie's looks, and how they have changed (although I think the extra weight looks great on her at her age)...there is a difference tho in discussing and mentioning stuff and bashing her...you cant really put the two in the same category. Stevie's IS aging, she's aged a lot, and very gracefully might I add, but is there anything wrong that? No...we can be honest here...we dont have to look at Stevie through fog and mist to be real fans...just because someone mentions Stevie looking old, I don't think it's necessarily a negative thing

Chris

diamondsnake · #8 04-23-2004, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic

Yes, I think Stevie is a bit fat.

I don't think Stevie is fat. She gained a little weight a few months after the tour started, last summer, but in all the Australian pictures it was obvious she had lost the weight again. And I'd rather have her have some meat on her then look like a little old lady that would be blown away with the wind!

diamondsnake · #9 04-23-2004, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic

And Chris look beauty but very old in her latest pic.

I don't think it is fair to say that she looked "very old" in her latest pictures. She is the oldest member of the band, which puts her at what, almost 60? For being 60, she looks great!

Hawkeye · #10 04-23-2004, 09:31 PM

Chirstine will be turning 61 in July.

Johnny Stew · #11 04-24-2004, 12:43 AM

I've never understood why Christine is so often considered to be unattractive.
I've always thought her to be a great beauty, in much the same way as Linda McCartney, who was also always blasted for being "plain," and unattractive.

Neither woman looked like Cheryl Tiegs (man, am I dating myself), but they were both always extremely beautiful in their own way... which wasn't an "in your face" kind of way. It was more of an earthy, warm, friendly, approachable way.

So "ugly" is not a word I'd ever think of in regards to those women.
Besides, ugliness is relative. For me, "ugly" is someone with a nasty disposition or a malicious personality.

I also think Christine looks marvelous for someone who's nearly 61 years old. And the same can be said for Stevie being 56 soon.
To me, both look about ten years younger than their physical age, without obvious signs of face-lifts, botox, colagen, etc.
If either has had work done, it's definitely been subtle, as they both look like you might expect those ladies on the back of the 'Rumours' LP to look, 27 years later.
Unlike other celebrities from that era, who are nearly unrecognizable these days.

Mari · #12 04-24-2004, 03:39 AM

well, add me to the Chris Is Beautiful fanlist

, but is that what this topic is about? What does that statement say about how I rate her music?
I think there's an element of sexism in rating women in music (whether young or older) on their looks rather than their musical qualities. There are a lot of women in music who make good use of that, too. Christine mcVie is not in that category (meaning, she doesn't use her cleavage to sell records

), and I applaud her for that.

macfan 57 · #13 04-24-2004, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mari

well, add me to the Chris Is Beautiful fanlist

, but is that what this topic is about? What does that statement say about how I rate her music?
I think there's an element of sexism in rating women in music (whether young or older) on their looks rather than their musical qualities. There are a lot of women in music who make good use of that, too. Christine mcVie is not in that category (meaning, she doesn't use her cleavage to sell records

), and I applaud her for that.

I completely agree. I think Christine is aging very gracefully and I think she looks beautiful. Certainly, the women that I know who are around 60 don't look that good. She does look older now than she did 7 years ago around the time of the Dance. That is normal. Also, there haven't been many pictures of her since the Dance ended, so some people may just be a little surprised at how she looks. They all look alot older than they did 7 years ago. Again, there's nothing unusual about that. And, I don't hear as many people complaining about the men in the band looking old, so I agree there is some sexism going on too.

Mari · #14 04-24-2004, 07:47 AM

I think... I don't like people trying desperately to look another age. I just like a natural look.
But who knows I'll talk differently about this in thirty or so years

CarneVaca · #15 04-24-2004, 09:46 AM

I suppose that if you're going to bring up looks at all, it cuts both ways. Some people gush about Stevie's and Lindsey's looks, and that's cool. Some people criticize Stevie for being heavier and older, which is stupid of course, but that's the risk with talking about looks. Everybody's going to get older and many of us, if not most, are going to get heavier as we age. That's just the way it is. To bash Stevie for that is somewhat shallow, but so be it.

To me, she looks pretty damn good, even if she's done a little work. I don't really think about it. Don't care. I cared when I was 14 and had posters of her on my wall.

She could go on stage in a wheelchair now for all I care. As long as she's belting the songs with passion, that's all that matters.

I think Lindsey looks great. He probably couldn't go on stage in a wheelchair. Not unless it were one without arms, otherwise it would be pretty damn hard to play the guitar.