Don Henley/Stevie Nicks (Summer Tour)

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Kelly

I, for one, am "whining and crying" about this prospect because this means a short Stevie set. What an hour and fifteen TOPS? I am gonna fly to Vegas, spend a ****load of money to see her and someone I cannot stand? I think Henley will share the stage with her in Vegas..to get ready for this summer thing.

From everything I'm hearing, Don will not be with Stevie for the Las Vegas guest-run.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

I still wouldn't want to pay ****loads of money to hear an abbreviated Stevie set and still have my cash go to Don Henley of all people.

Say what you will about the man, he donates tons of money to good liberal causes.

[Johnny Stew]

By the way, I want to add that most every popular artist releases more than one greatest hits set over the course of their careers. Many of which were released with far less than fourteen years between them, and many without any new songs to round them out.

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers has two greatest hits compilations and a boxed-set (they have two DVD video compilations too).
Springsteen has had three and a boxed-set.
David Bowie has had four (not counting the various compilations of his "early years" songs) and a boxed-set.
Heart has five greatest hits sets.
Aerosmith has had six (that I've counted) and two boxed-sets.

The list goes on.

[Kelly]

I heard Henley might be there for one night...I seriously hope that is dead wrong.
As for the GH thing, Stevie has only put out two albums since her last GH, Timespace. Enchanted was basically another GH package....it has everything this new cd will have except perhaps one or two songs from TISL. I will take whatever she wants to release...I am just saying its gonna be another album with SB, OtR, Edge, SDMHA etc.....seems a bit excessive at least IMHO.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I don't agree. I think the songs Sheryl produced on TISL were the best. She likes a heavy guitar sound , can't say I blame her.

I agree, I think she's been Stevie's best producer since Iovine. John Shanks is just awful, I hope and pray that he has nothing to do with a new Stevie album. Most of Stevie's best material on TISL was the material that Sheryl had a strong hand in and I think it's because Sheryl understands Stevie more than the other producers she's employed in the past. Other producers tend to give Stevie a very muddled sound, as if they're unsure of what they should do or what she wants. But Sheryl? She's tops.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

By the way, I want to add that most every popular artist releases more than one greatest hits set over the course of their careers. Many of which were released with far less than fourteen years between them, and many without any new songs to round them out.

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers has two greatest hits compilations and a boxed-set (they have two DVD video compilations too).
Springsteen has had three and a boxed-set.
David Bowie has had four (not counting the various compilations of his "early years" songs) and a boxed-set.
Heart has five greatest hits sets.
Aerosmith has had six (that I've counted) and two boxed-sets.

The list goes on.

Yes, but it's rarely the artist who actually releases so many GH compilations, it's the record company. Just look at Heart, Pat Benatar, Blondie, Bowie, etc. A lot of times it's the record company that puts them out and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the record company that is pushing for another Stevie compilation instead of Stevie herself. I remember when Aimee Mann had a new GH package coming out and she posted an open letter to her fans on her site, advising them not to buy it because it wasn't her that was releasing it, it was the record company and she didn't like it.

[joe68]

And look at Carly Simon:
1975 The Best of Carly Simon
1990 Greatest Hits Live
1995 Clouds in My Coffee Box Set
2002 2 Disc Anthology
2004 Reflections: The Best of Carly Simon

The last one was the highest charting album she's had in the last 25 years.

I just hope Stevie pulls a Tina Turner and adds 3 or 4 new songs. None of the Carly hit sets have anything new.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Yes, but it's rarely the artist who actually releases so many GH compilations, it's the record company. Just look at Heart, Pat Benatar, Blondie, Bowie, etc. A lot of times it's the record company that puts them out and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the record company that is pushing for another Stevie compilation instead of Stevie herself.

That's a good point, diss, and I should have brought that up in my own post.

It's a very real possibility that this might be one of those situations where the record company basically says, "We're putting this out whether you like it or not, so you can either work with us on it or stay out of it. End of story."

Hopefully Stevie will work with them, and add a few new songs to it.

And at the end of the day, it's always OUR choice whether or not we buy it.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

I agree, I think she's been Stevie's best producer since Iovine. John Shanks is just awful, I hope and pray that he has nothing to do with a new Stevie album. Most of Stevie's best material on TISL was the material that Sheryl had a strong hand in and I think it's because Sheryl understands Stevie more than the other producers she's employed in the past. Other producers tend to give Stevie a very muddled sound, as if they're unsure of what they should do or what she wants. But Sheryl? She's tops.

I agree that Sheryl has been Stevie's best producer since Iovine, but I disagree that Shanks was awful.
He did a terrific job, IMO, capturing the "essence" that Stevie's best songs and albums have had, while... like Sheryl... adding something fresh to the mix.

Of course, I'm not someone who expects (or desires) left turns or "surprises" in the production of a Stevie Nicks album (I'm bringing this up, because I know the biggest complaint about Shanks is that his work sounded bland and homogenized -- which I disagree with).

I get the most enjoyment out of albums that fit alongside the rest of an artist's canon.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to record carbon copies of their past successes... I just prefer a cohesive sound. Something that feels like a natural progression, and not like I bought the wrong CD.

Shanks & Crow's production work, to my ears, sounded fresh and contemporary... but very much in keeping with the style that Stevie does so well. Sheryl's work was "better," but Shanks work was definitely not "awful," IMO.
So I couldn't have been more pleased with 'Shangri-La.'

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I agree that Sheryl has been Stevie's best producer since Iovine, but I disagree that Shanks was awful.
He did a terrific job, IMO, capturing the "essence" that Stevie's best songs and albums have had, while... like Sheryl... adding something fresh to the mix.

Of course, I'm not someone who expects (or desires) left turns or "surprises" in the production of a Stevie Nicks album (I'm bringing this up, because I know the biggest complaint about Shanks is that his work sounded bland and homogenized -- which I disagree with).

I get the most enjoyment out of albums that fit alongside the rest of an artist's canon.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to record carbon copies of their past successes... I just prefer a cohesive sound. Something that feels like a natural progression, and not like I bought the wrong CD.

Shanks & Crow's production work, to my ears, sounded fresh and contemporary... but very much in keeping with the style that Stevie does so well. Sheryl's work was "better," but Shanks work was definitely not "awful," IMO.
So I couldn't have been more pleased with 'Shangri-La.'

I agree, Sheryl Crow was superb as a producer but I also liked a lot John Shanks' work, especially for how he squared the circle with POTU

Romy

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Serrart

I agree, Sheryl Crow was superb as a producer but I also liked a lot John Shanks' work, especially for how he squared the circle with POTU

Off-topic, but Romy, if you're ever in the states, you've gotta swing by my area so we can hang out.

[Hawkeye]

personally I think Timespace sucks, and Enchanted is amazing because it's full of rarities, but heh, for a casual fan it doesn't even have her freaking most popular song (EO17) in its studio form. And plus it's a pricey box set. I see nothing wrong with her releasing a much better new greatest hits and I'll especiall see nothing wrong with it if there is at least 2 new songs on it.

[gldstwmn]

Hopefully, she'll pull something out of the vaults on this ala Reconsider Me.

[Hawkeye]

Do you guys realize Sheryl's producing track record includes That Made Me Stronger, Too Far From Texas and It's Only Love. That leaves Candlebright and Sorcerer as her decently produced songs and probably the only real sheryl produced standout from Shangri La was Sorcerer. But the 3 best songs IMO come from John Shanks producing or simply Stevie herself. TISL is the best but Bombay Saphire is seriously an incredible song and Stevie does it all by herself.

But Saying that I don't want Sheryl OR John Shanks back if there's ever a new album. Or any of the other one time hacks she had produce that record. And if she records a new album she needs to go back to having a really sweet backing band. That's what I think sets her earlier stuff from her new solo stuff. Take a look at the liner notes of TISL, freaking every song features JOhn Shanks playing half the instruments or something. Go back to playing your songs live with a good band (like Russ Kunkle Bob Glaub Roy Biitan Bemont Tench and Waddy) and get a fraking good producer, hell produce it all yourself.

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Off-topic, but Romy, if you're ever in the states, you've gotta swing by my area so we can hang out.

Sure and if you'll ever feel the impulse to come in Italy for some reason, just let me know

Romy