What if Bush had been right about Iraq all along?

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Serrart

Bush wasn't right. Even If I believed that he honestly thought he was bringing democracy in Iraq (and I don't) his war killed directly and indirectly hundreds of thousands people, pushed a country already in desperate conditions in a humanitarian tragedy, with no food, no medicines, no water, caused a civil war, created a brand new Iraqi branch for Al Queida, and gave to Osama Bin Laden's followers another reason for organizing new spectacular terrorist attacks (as in Spain or in Middle East). And now what?
To see all that people risking their lives to vote moved me, but that is going to be an unstable democracy. What would happen when US, Italian, British and other foreign troops would leave the Country? What if an ultra-religious group would go to the power? Would Mr Bush be willing to inject another dose of his medicine?

Romy

Check out Arianna's blog today:

http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=757

[amber]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Check out Arianna's blog today:

http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/column.php?id=757

Thanks for posting! Informative.
She really, really impressed me during the Cal gov. debates.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I've always been so baffled with this "spreading democracy around the world" thing that has been coming up lately..of course we all know when Bush presented this war it had nothing to do with that....but he had to come up with a nice catch phrase...

"Spreading democracy around the world..." does that mean that we will turn in to Hitler II and bomb every country that does not believe the same way we do ? It's ludacris... So what about our allies who do not have democracies? Will we attack them? Will we attack Saudi Arabia? Will we attack China as well? What gives here? And WHY WHY WHY are people buying this crap??

I never thought I'd see the day when Bush supporters tout his illegitimate policies by using his own quotes lol....I was discussing the war at college the other day with someone and I said "well why do you agree with this war?" and he said "i agree with spreading democracy around the world." Hhaha... I said "was that your stance before the war ever began, before it was spoken of, did you tell people 'you know I think we should spread democracy around the world' ?" and of course no, when Bush and his admin. started talking this stuff up, is where he first got it, and first started "believing in it." He didn't care less about the Iraqi people in 1999

Chris

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by amber

Thanks for posting! Informative.
She really, really impressed me during the Cal gov. debates.

As we say here in Boston, she's wicked smaht. She's very well informed and I hope I remember to check her blog more often. She will be speaking on Majority Report. You can stream on airamericaradio.com.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

"Spreading democracy around the world..." does that mean that we will turn in to Hitler II and bomb every country that does not believe the same way we do ? It's ludacris... So what about our allies who do not have democracies? Will we attack them? Will we attack Saudi Arabia? Will we attack China as well? What gives here? And WHY WHY WHY are people buying this crap??

It is SO pathetic. They had a whole big deal about this a coupla days ago on NPR's "To The Point" (I LOVE/WORSHIP Warren Olney!!!).

This administration is soooooo full of ****. Hello!!! What about Myanmar?? What about Zimbabwe??? What about ****ing Uzbekistan??? It's okay for their government to boil people alive as long as the people being boiled are Muslim (literally). See for yourself! (warning: these pictures are graphic and are not for the faint of heart).

Uzbekistan


It is utter ****!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

So what about our allies who do not have democracies? Will we attack them? Will we attack Saudi Arabia? Will we attack China as well?

Maybe. Yes. No, not in the forseeable future.

[Moony]

Originally Posted by amber

ROTMFLAO! *gigglicious*seriously, I read it five times in a row and laughed every time*
L.
F.

I must admit, I crack myself up sometimes.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

no..I just got through saying...if you let little ol' unimportant folks like me bother you...then its no wonder your party is falling apart and continue to loose elections.

1) you've changed your original statement, you originally said "little ol' me"
btw: you got THAT right. you also didnt have "your party is falling apart" on the original statement.
2) Dems dont lose elections, Republicans Steal them by manipulating the votes.
IE Florida and Ohio.

methinks you are now engaging in dishonest postage.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

My my...you shouldn't let little all me get to you. No wonder you guys can never win an election if you let little ol' me bother you so much....

good thing I got to this before you did.........

[dissention]

Originally Posted by The Tower

It is SO pathetic. They had a whole big deal about this a coupla days ago on NPR's "To The Point" (I LOVE/WORSHIP Warren Olney!!!).

This administration is soooooo full of ****. Hello!!! What about Myanmar?? What about Zimbabwe??? What about ****ing Uzbekistan??? It's okay for their government to boil people alive as long as the people being boiled are Muslim (literally). See for yourself! (warning: these pictures are graphic and are not for the faint of heart).

Uzbekistan


It is utter ****!

It's not so much that it's because they're Muslims, it's that the United States sees nothing to gain from helping them. If they don't benefit, they want nothing to do with anything. Look at Sudan. We did nothing there to stop the genocide. Look at the dozen other police countries around the world other than Iraq. For Bush and his administration to even claim that we were invading Iraq to free the people is beyond absurd. What do you tell the citizens of the other police states like, as you pointed out, Uzbekistan? That you're sorry you can't help them because they don't have enough oil or because helping them couldn't have won you the election? It's sick.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's not so much that it's because they're Muslims, it's that the United States sees nothing to gain from helping them. If they don't benefit, they want nothing to do with anything. Look at Sudan. We did nothing there to stop the genocide. Look at the dozen other police countries around the world other than Iraq. For Bush and his administration to even claim that we were invading Iraq to free the people is beyond absurd. What do you tell the citizens of the other police states like, as you pointed out, Uzbekistan? That you're sorry you can't help them because they don't have enough oil or because helping them couldn't have won you the election? It's sick.

Exactly, we go where our "interests" lie, and they lie with money, all cuddled up in bed with it.

Could someone tell me WTF was up with the purple finger thing? I keep hearing about purple fingers. Why have they desecrated my favorite color???? And the staged Iraqi voter/Mom of dead soldier moment really makes me ill. No doubt their affection for each other is genuine but they were planted.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Exactly, we go where our "interests" lie, and they lie with money, all cuddled up in bed with it.

Could someone tell me WTF was up with the purple finger thing? I keep hearing about purple fingers. Why have they desecrated my favorite color???? And the staged Iraqi voter/Mom of dead soldier moment really makes me ill. No doubt their affection for each other is genuine but they were planted.

They hijacked the purple finger from the ink Iraqis had on their hands after voting on Sun. Sometimes I wonder why I want to be informed.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

They hijacked the purple finger from the ink Iraqis had on their hands after voting on Sun. Sometimes I wonder why I want to be informed.

the bloody red middle finger the US citizens are now holding up represent those who felt they were f**ked over in this past election?

I think it does

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

the bloody red middle finger the US citizens are now holding up represent those who felt they were f**ked over in this past election?

I think it does

Hey good one (covers middle finger with red magic marker).

BASTARDS.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I just also want to say, much to the disbelief of many smiling republicans this election I'm sure--the democratic party is nowhere near "falling apart" as some would have us believe.

It all goes in cycles...From the mid-1830s to the Civil War, the Democrats were the nation's majority party, usually controlling Congress, the presidency, and many state offices. Then of course as you all know the party hit kind of a disruption in about 1855-ish. Then the democrats rebound after the Civil War ...Of course it's always been interesting to me the strong southern support and background the Democratic Party has always held (until now of course.) We saw democratic party renewed after the depression...The democratic administration of FDR proved willing to use national power to confront depression conditions.. Of course the democrats in that time were rarely attractive to american blacks, because of the party's earlier pro-South type stance. Roosevelt interestingly became kind of an object of devotion to blacks... In my opinion this all completed the whole transformation of the party...
As its black constituencies increased in size into the 1960s and their leaders assumed positions of political power, Democratic presidents, from John F. Kennedy to Lyndon B. Johnson, tried to meet the needs of blacks through federal programs. Of course as you all know this transformation of the party did not come without controversy...Southern Democrats did not like this change very much...and of course most made their way out of the party fast..

Of course after 69 it really in my opinion took Bill Clinton to bring the party back to the top...to bring the party back in people's minds....His successes of course have mostly all been overturned since the year 2000, but I see a rebound in the future....In a way I pretty much knew the country needed 8 years of Bush to really get sick of him, to really see how much bad he could do...I actually heard "supporters" of him, some friends of mine say "Well I haven't been real impressed with Bush, but I believe he deserves another four years to prove himself, and fix the mistakes he's made..." Well America you have him for four years, unless something crazy happens and he resigns...which would NEVER happen no matter what....in 2006 Democrats will increase their numbers in the Senate, and in 2008 win the presidency....they've done their soul searching, and what they found in my opinion was that they just need to be themselves...if they do that they will survive

Chris