Who are you going to vote for?

[marc402]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

That is cool. I wish her husband would be more supportive, though.


Hillary

I realy do not know kerry's stand on gay right isues but if his wife supports us
he can't be all bad and atleast he is a democrate
i don't want another 4 years of that .... well fill in the blanks want to keep the forum clean

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I hate few few people, but she comes real close. The best thing I can think to call her is an ignorant, self serving, self righteous, holier than thou, rhymes with a brand of ketchup And THAT is being nice

Stan Matsunaka looks strong against Marilyn. I'm blessed with Diana DeGette, who is running unopposed.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by dissention

Just as bad as Romney, my dear.

She got in big trouble when she was Lt. Governor because she forced her assistant to babysit her kids and told her that if she didn't, she'd be fired. The state forced her to apologize to her assistant and to pay her for it. She was a real trip. I met her once and she was a real sow. She only became governor when Celluci was appointed Ambass. to Canada by Shrub and she knew not to run for election because she'd lose.

Wow, I didn't know anything about her before now--sounds awful. And, and I love her chastising the NRA for compromising too much. Sounds like she's right up my alley.
Y'all shouldn't be giving me more people to despise. "Your hate becomes you." I'm really starting to believe that. My hatred for Dubya is all-consuming at times.

Hillary

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by marc402

I realy do not know kerry's stand on gay right isues but if his wife supports us
he can't be all bad and atleast he is a democrate
i don't want another 4 years of that .... well fill in the blanks want to keep the forum clean

Kerry and Edwards have both said that they will not support gay marriage. They support the states' right to decide, therefore they have no intention of intervening if a state wants to ban gay marriages. (And no doubt many will). Kerry seems to support equality in every way but this one. It's half-assed, to say the least.

By the way, I like your sig.

Hillary

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Kerry and Edwards have both said that they will not support gay marriage. They support the states' right to decide, therefore they have no intention of intervening if a state wants to ban gay marriages. (And no doubt many will). Kerry seems to support equality in every way but this one. It's half-assed, to say the least.

By the way, I like your sig.

Hillary

Gay Marriage is a political plum for all parties. I bet provately Kerry and Bush could care a less whether gay people marry. I think they are saying their schpeels because they know this completely irrelevant issue (HELLO WE HAVE A WAR GOING ON ) encites both of their bases. Such is politics.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Gay Marriage is a political plum for all parties. I bet provately Kerry and Bush could care a less whether gay people marry. I think they are saying their schpeels because they know this completely irrelevant issue (HELLO WE HAVE A WAR GOING ON ) encites both of their bases. Such is politics.

Maybe they don't really care. I've considered that, but then sometimes I think that Bush really does have an objection from a religious standpoint. It makes sense that someone like him would. And though it's ridiculous to make such decisions based on one's religious beliefs, I know that wouldn't stop him. I've also considered that Kerry might privately be for gay marriage, but he knows it would be political suicide for him to proclaim that.

Hillary

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Jason T.

I can't help it sometimes. LOL! I live in Texas.

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Yeah, same goes for Louisiana. There are so many things I'm just so tired of hearing. I feel compelled to make generalizations sometimes. Okay, lots of times.

I know how you feel. You would think that living in the heart of West Hollywood, CA I would enjoy the most liberal of societies. HOWEVER--- I work for an evangelical christian-owned company. Of course, they aren't really allowed to preach/minister, but they DO offer a safe haven where evangelical whack-jobs can feel comfortable enough to speak their bigotry and intolerance openly without retribution. Yeah, I know, I know- why do I work there?? Eh, a job's, a job's, a job.... Besides there is a large minority of liberal minded, secular people there, so it's not all that bad.

My point is, when one is surrounded by all that stuff you just want to scream...

Originally Posted by dissention

My problem with Republicans lies not only in their lying ways, but their contempt for anyone who isn't a conservative. We're all sinners and are going to hell, in their eyes. They condemn gay people and say they're sinning or violating gods law, then turn around with a ludicrous statement like "I don't hate you, just your actions." Gimme a break. If they were people of god, theyd know that the bible clearly states that they have NO RIGHT to judge another person. Yet they do it anyways and say it's because they're god-fearing people.

Your whole diatribe was delicious, but this part was my favorite!

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Instead, he and the people who put him in power want a theocracy.

That's want those condescending mo-fo's want the bible-thumpers to believe. But I really think their main goal is to foster and continue the ever growing plutocracy.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I think the Log Cabin Republicans provide a good service. I think their thought of working for change within the Republican party is noble and their seemingly endless up hill battle to promote change to promote the traditional definition of conservative values (less govt. less taxes, individual liberty, etc.)is admirable especially considering they are almost always defeated.
But, others will disagree, etc.

Yeah, well....... I don't think it's really the time for my fellow fags and dykes to abandon the platform of social conscience just for the sake of the almighty dollar. And no matter what anyone says, Log Cabin republicans are really only about ONE thing- pro-business. All that other stuff is just an attempt to create a platform. It is all Mammon, and I think it's disgusting. But that's just me.

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

Kerry and Edwards have both said that they will not support gay marriage. They support the states' right to decide, therefore they have no intention of intervening if a state wants to ban gay marriages. (And no doubt many will). Kerry seems to support equality in every way but this one. It's half-assed, to say the least.

I'm not interested in getting married. I AM married for all intents and purposes. However, at least I know that Kerry has no interest in actually PROMOTING bigotry and discrimination against gays, wheras Dubya is the biggest monster to ever occupy the White House with regard to this issue. Social change on this level takes decades and decades of time to eventually come to fruition. I can handle baby steps. Gay marriage is an inevitability. Even if I don't get the right to (which I could care less about for me personally), at least those in the not too distant future will be able to date, court, go to proms, be accepted and be able to be a part of and enjoy all the ceremonies of "partnership life" that hets have had for years.

[Hawkeye]

plus the people they embrace like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson.

All of those people are saints compared to John Hagge I'm suprised no one's ever mentioned him. But I can't stand him. Yet I watch him almost everyday I don't know it's the disgus factor or something. But the way he talks so superior to everyone, I just wish god would strike his fat ass down and just get him to heaven that much faster. Or if I had my way it wouldn't be heaven On a related note, one of those evangelist guys I really happen to like is Jesse Duplantis. He's what's good about Christianity, while John Hagge is the scum of the freaking earth.

[Jason T.]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I know how you feel. You would think that living in the heart of West Hollywood, CA I would enjoy the most liberal of societies. HOWEVER--- I work for an evangelical christian-owned company. Of course, they aren't really allowed to preach/minister, but they DO offer a safe haven where evangelical whack-jobs can feel comfortable enough to speak their bigotry and intolerance openly without retribution. Yeah, I know, I know- why do I work there?? Eh, a job's, a job's, a job.... Besides there is a large minority of liberal minded, secular people there, so it's not all that bad.

My point is, when one is surrounded by all that stuff you just want to scream...

If anything it's good for the liberal-minded soul, you learn to tolerate in the intolerant.

Texans are good people, just not *all* there sometimes. Ignoring Bush, who is *never* there.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Jason T.

If anything it's good for the liberal-minded soul, you learn to tolerate in the intolerant.

It is very, VERY, VERY hard!! Although, I feel I am old enough and- I think I'm entitled to say it at this time in my life- wise enough to take a few steps back and take the higher road. I am very optimistic about the genuine kindness of humanity, so this evangelical/conservative wave shall ebb like all the other waves before it.

I saw Clinton on John Stewart the other night and I was on the verge of tears wishing that he was still President. My partner said, "Well, if you allowed that then Reagan would still be President", which was quite the touche, I might add.

Bollocks!!! Damn the torpedoes!!! I still miss Bill Clinton. Sigh.......

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by The Tower

It is very, VERY, VERY hard!! Although, I feel I am old enough and- I think I'm entitled to say it at this time in my life- wise enough to take a few steps back and take the higher road. I am very optimistic about the genuine kindness of humanity, so this evangelical/conservative wave shall ebb like all the other waves before it.

I saw Clinton on John Stewart the other night and I was on the verge of tears wishing that he was still President. My partner said, "Well, if you allowed that then Reagan would still be President", which was quite the touche, I might add.

Bollocks!!! Damn the torpedoes!!! I still miss Bill Clinton. Sigh.......

Everytime I see Clinton and his eloquent and smooth ways, I long for the days when he was in office.

[Hawkeye]

Definitely the president witht he taste in Music.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Everytime I see Clinton and his eloquent and smooth ways, I long for the days when he was in office.

Jason, it's not necessarily the smooth (though the eloquent is at the top of my list, and sorely missing in today's political picture) ways that I miss...

I miss the fact that he is truly a good person.

****, if I had my REAL choice it would be Carter, Carter, CARTER!!! I looovvvee that man!!! The most underrated President, ever!

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by The Tower

It is very, VERY, VERY hard!! Although, I feel I am old enough and- I think I'm entitled to say it at this time in my life- wise enough to take a few steps back and take the higher road. I am very optimistic about the genuine kindness of humanity, so this evangelical/conservative wave shall ebb like all the other waves before it.

That is good to see. I hope one day I can learn to take the higher road and just roll with it. I'm not that mature yet. Plus, I just came out of the closet a year ago, so it's overwhelming. Even when I was a ridiculously repressed homosexual, I still supported gays and got upset when I encountered homophobes. But now everything is on a different level because it's all personal. It's another world. Being a minority sucks in a way that those who aren't a member of a minority can't understand, whether they truly aren't or they're trying with all their might not to be. (And I would know about the latter).

Hillary

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Jason, it's not necessarily the smooth (though the eloquent is at the top of my list, and sorely missing in today's political picture) ways that I miss...

I miss the fact that he is truly a good person.

****, if I had my REAL choice it would be Carter, Carter, CARTER!!! I looovvvee that man!!! The most underrated President, ever!

Can I get an "Amen"?