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[michelej1]

Originally Posted by MrStevie

Except the part about loving his children more than his woman, I can agree with all of this! All the viagra in the world...

Stevie's not really his woman. I hope he loves his kids more than her. If she were their mother, I'd feel differently.

Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

^I don't think it necessarily proves anything either, but I do find it intersting she lifted that from Not Make Believe and changed "at home or at play" to "at home or onstage".

As far as the stage thing, that's one of the things that made me flip out over the Show You How lyrics. But it was even more explicit than I thought.

Before I got the lyrics I thought he said: "and the shadows, they will stand and linger."

But then I saw that he said: "and the shadow singer will stand and linger in places no one ever goes."

Very much about a woman who performs on the stage.

Michele

[CADreaming]

^But Stevie called him the shadow or something like that...why are they ghosts and shadows?? They slay me...

[Lee]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

The thing that bothers me most about the whole "it's just an act" theory is it is based on the thought of "oh, they do that every night" so there can't be any emotion behind whatever they do onstage. What? Don't you hug or kiss your loved ones in an offhanded way? Doesn't it become routine? Does that mean you've "lost that loving feeling"? No. And, I agree with Mr. Stevie - there was no reason for SnL to play up a love affair or lost love affair in 1997 forward. In fact, it seems like they would want to downplay it. Partners in crime, indeed. Know what they're doing, for sure. No emotion or love or even a kind of passion - no way.

Sorry, we are sort of getting off topic here, but nah, I don't think they'd want to downplay it; it sells tickets I think, don't you? And it's just like working with your co-workers. I can't speak for everybody here, but some of my co-workers I like & I think I have a certain chemistry with & some I just don't like & have 0 chemistry with. Now with Fleetwood Mac, they are all that chemistry & all get along. Maybe Stevie gets along even better with men that she's had a relationship with. I'm just speculating here.

Lee

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

^But Stevie called him the shadow or something like that...why are they ghosts and shadows?? They slay me...

Well, you know Gold Dust Woman runs in the shadows.

As for the absent minded kiss, I love that. The familiarity. You said something about Stevie "letting" Lindsey sweat on her once and I definitely like the intimacy of being so used to being around a person that you touch mindlessly, without even realizing it.


It's kind of funny, but I think I have 11 video boots of The Dance and the guy I purchased them from rated them in terms of quality. I went through and rated them by the kiss Lindsey and Christine shared at the end of the show among other things. I also had a rating based on what Lindsey did during Silver Springs (and how far he "chased" Stevie), but I definitely rated my tapes by how fast Lindsey and Chris walked into each other's arms.

Michele

[skcin]

Originally Posted by Tango

I agree--the only "hot" feelings might be in the form of a flash.

Well played.

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think they love each other deeply and might love each other above everyone else (with the exception of Lindsey loving his children the most, hopefully), but as for passion, come ON! How much passion and heat is there going to be with someone you've known for 45 years?

And not all the viagra in the world could save them.

Michele

Agreed.

Originally Posted by MrStevie

Why are they only flirting for show now? They are an established supergroup. Why bother now? Why not before when they had to battle constant rumors of the group's demise after these two were already broken up, going solo, yet were still banging? I don't get it.

If Lindsey and Stevie wrote those lyrics in the last ten years I could agree with your speculation. I seriously doubt any are more recent than the early 1990s. But if their words do refer to recent events and reflect their current mindset, can somebody explain this:

And then there's Everybody Loves You (which we know is about Lindsey)--
"We cause each other such pain
Everywhere we go now
At home or on stage"

Except the part about loving his children more than his woman, I can agree with all of this! All the viagra in the world...

1) Cuz people eat it up. They love it. They expect to see it.
2) Just cuz she wrote the song recently doesn't mean it's a recent lyrics, OR that the lyric is talking about her current situation. She could be talking about how she felt 20 or 30 years ago.
3) Wait, you think he loves Stevie more than his kids? Or Kristen more than his kids?

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Yes "Everybody Loves You" was definitely on my mind when I was thinking about recent songs that have been written about their relationship . All of what has been said makes total sense. And I can agree with the fact that there is love there. It seems to be foolish to say that there is absolutely NOTHING there. But as for the passion thing...could there be a different sort of passion then "I wanna jump your bones right now" kinda thing (weird expression I know ) But maybe they do get into the moment when they are performing. Like I am sure that there are parts (maybe even a lot of them) are rehearsed and done night after night. But regardless, they do have a musical chemistry that can't be denied! So I'm sure there are moments onstage when they feel that and there is a magical moment that the audience feels too. I don't know, I guess it's because I've never seen them live before and a part is hoping that when I do, there's going to be some spontaneity in the performance.

fumi - I think I'm just now starting to embrace my Shipperness. It really is a wonderful thing lol

I agree there's something there & there always will be. I just don't think they are currently in a romantic relationship, and I don't think they have been for at least 14 years (and probably more like 30.) Stevie has said that at times when they are on stage, everything else fades away & they're back in 1975 & it's still magical.

Originally Posted by Lee

ITA, but I do really think that Stevie & Lindsey were ever so close to getting back @ the time of The Dance. Stevie's song My Heart is about this I'm sure. I swear everytime I listen to it, it reminds me of this time. Now though, that ship has sailed. It is all a stage act. She has said so herself in various interviews.
Lee

I'm with you. And the "it's all the same" is about the good AND the bad. Like, it just can't ever really work our between them, and she realizes it's not his fault even though she was so bitter towards him for so many years. It's just not meant to be, and I think My Heart mourns that a little bit.

Originally Posted by CADreaming

The thing that bothers me most about the whole "it's just an act" theory is it is based on the thought of "oh, they do that every night" so there can't be any emotion behind whatever they do onstage. What? Don't you hug or kiss your loved ones in an offhanded way? Doesn't it become routine? Does that mean you've "lost that loving feeling"? No. And, I agree with Mr. Stevie - there was no reason for SnL to play up a love affair or lost love affair in 1997 forward. In fact, it seems like they would want to downplay it. Partners in crime, indeed. Know what they're doing, for sure. No emotion or love or even a kind of passion - no way.

Yes, it does become routine. And if you're not careful, that's ALL it becomes. That's why people grow apart, they become complacent in the day to day & let the passion fade. I'm sure they do have geniune love for eachother - as old friends.

They are playing the part that the audience wants them to play. How do you think the audience would react if they just sang their songs , barely acknowledging eachother, without implied drama? Boooooorrrrriiinnnggggg!

Originally Posted by michelej1

What I think happens on stage is that there are spontaneous moments and they work so well between Lindsey and Stevie and are received so well by the audience that they then repeat the moments that were once spontaneous. That's why their interaction develops a lot from the first show (and for the Unleashed premier they weren't connecting much in that first show at all) to the last.

That's also why I like to see the "same" show over and over again, because I enjoy watching the evolution. For the SYW tour, they started doing this thing where they go back to back at the end of Don't Stop. They weren't doing this at the beginning of the tour when I saw them in Illinois. When I saw it in Reno, I was really surprised. There must have been one night when he unexpectedly buried his face in her hair and that felt right to both of them, so they tried to recreate that moment in future shows.

Just because it becomes staged doesn't mean it didn't have origins in real feeling.
Of course, there were some things that started fake (the staring in Say Goodbye) which I think took on more true emotion as the tour wound down to its end.

I don't know what to say about the stupid Tusk fight. Phony in the beginning (and possibly dangerous) and phony until the bitter end.
Michele

I agree with the bolded statement. I don't think it's scripted or anything, but it becomes part of the routine if the audience reacts well to it.

Originally Posted by michelej1

As for the absent minded kiss, I love that. The familiarity. You said something about Stevie "letting" Lindsey sweat on her once and I definitely like the intimacy of being so used to being around a person that you touch mindlessly, without even realizing it.

HA! I always said that Stevie was probably totally pissed that he was sweating all over her, but that she didn't want o push him away on stage.

[GoldDustWoman22]

Ok I see what you guys are saying. That some of the momentsWERE real and genuine. But they repeated them for the other shows because they didn't want the audience to miss out. That makes sense. As long as there not totally making up every. single. thing. they are doing, I'm ok with that. I just think it would be a real bummer if they were faking everything. I'd like to believe that there is always going to be a musical connection between them because of all their history...and that looks to be the case !! I do think that if Lindsey hadn't been involved with Kristen throughout the dance that maybe they could've given their relationship another shot. That being said, I am happy for Lindsey that he now has a happy and stable home life. However, the Shipper part of me can't help but imagine how cute Lindsey and Stevie's kids would have been ! I know...it never would've happened but I can dream can't I . That being said I really, really, really want to see them in concert. I'm going to try to make it to Stevie's in New York cause that is right before I move up there to go to college so hopefully that works out ...unfortunately the tickets are not on sale right now ! Hopefully they will be soon though...sorry for getting off topic

[Amlyn]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Ok I see what you guys are saying. That some of the momentsWERE real and genuine. But they repeated them for the other shows because they didn't want the audience to miss out. That makes sense. As long as there not totally making up every. single. thing. they are doing, I'm ok with that. I just think it would be a real bummer if they were faking everything. I'd like to believe that there is always going to be a musical connection between them because of all their history...and that looks to be the case !! I do think that if Lindsey hadn't been involved with Kristen throughout the dance that maybe they could've given their relationship another shot. That being said, I am happy for Lindsey that he now has a happy and stable home life. However, the Shipper part of me can't help but imagine how cute Lindsey and Stevie's kids would have been ! I know...it never would've happened but I can dream can't I . That being said I really, really, really want to see them in concert. I'm going to try to make it to Stevie's in New York cause that is right before I move up there to go to college so hopefully that works out ...unfortunately the tickets are not on sale right now ! Hopefully they will be soon though...sorry for getting off topic

Tixs for Jones Beach and Holmdel went on sale this am. Where in FL are you from and where are you going to school?

[GoldDustWoman22]

Awesome! I'm from Orlando florida and getting out of here (thank god) to go to Marist college which is in upstate New York Poughkeepsie to be exact .

[Amlyn]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Awesome! I'm from Orlando florida and getting out of here (thank god) to go to Marist college which is in upstate New York Poughkeepsie to be exact .

Nice! I'm about an hour/hour and a half south of where you'll be going to school and I have family in South FL. Hopefully you're ready to trade in your winters for some snow and ice!

Hopefully we'll see you at one of the NY area shows!

[GoldDustWoman22]

Honestly I'm kind of concerned about the weather aspect of it...other than that I am super excited!! That would be awesome if we ran into each other at one of the shows !!

Actually do you know which one of the New York shows would be closer to Poughkeepsie? I'm trying to figure out which one would be easier to go to.

[Amlyn]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Actually do you know which one of the New York shows would be closer to Poughkeepsie? I'm trying to figure out which one would be easier to go to.

They are both about the same distance from where you'll be, give or take a few miles. Are you driving?

It's really a crapshoot cause driving down towards the Jersey Shore the day before the long weekend starts might be daunting from where you are coming from, although if you left early in the day, you'd probably be fine.

On the flip side, Jones Beach is not the easiest place in the world to get to if you aren't familiar with traveling out to Long Island. But obviously maps and GPS will help you get to both.

I couldn't decide either, so I'm going to both!!!

[skcin]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

Ok I see what you guys are saying. That some of the momentsWERE real and genuine. But they repeated them for the other shows because they didn't want the audience to miss out. That makes sense. As long as there not totally making up every. single. thing. they are doing, I'm ok with that. I just think it would be a real bummer if they were faking everything. I'd like to believe that there is always going to be a musical connection between them because of all their history...and that looks to be the case !! I do think that if Lindsey hadn't been involved with Kristen throughout the dance that maybe they could've given their relationship another shot. That being said, I am happy for Lindsey that he now has a happy and stable home life. However, the Shipper part of me can't help but imagine how cute Lindsey and Stevie's kids would have been ! I know...it never would've happened but I can dream can't I . That being said I really, really, really want to see them in concert. I'm going to try to make it to Stevie's in New York cause that is right before I move up there to go to college so hopefully that works out ...unfortunately the tickets are not on sale right now ! Hopefully they will be soon though...sorry for getting off topic

Yes, that's exactly what I mean!

And no worries about going OT - happens a lot here.

[Tango]

Originally Posted by GoldDustWoman22

That being said, I am happy for Lindsey that he now has a happy and stable home life. However, the Shipper part of me can't help but imagine how cute Lindsey and Stevie's kids would have been

I think the reality of what Lindsey has is better than anything you could wish for him. Check out his family:



William's here Love him and watch him grow


Leelee's here Love her and watch her grow


Stella's here Love them and watch them grow


Watch Lindsey's video about them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Tz84J890M


They are growing! He's happy!

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Tango

I think the reality of what Lindsey has is better than anything you could wish for him.

Well, I don't know how happy he is or could have been, but just talking about looks, the physical attributes, I don't think mating with Stevie would have produced better looking kids than what he's got.

Emotionally, it would have been interesting to see what their combination would have created. Probably a real psycho. But quite talented.

Michele