Former guard testifies Jackson engaged in sex act with boy

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, let's see. In general, high level attorneys are not complete idiots. I'm assuming that Messareau has said to MJ, "Look, I need to know- did you do any of the stuff that you are accused of?" I mean, defense attorneys have gotta know the score in order to build their case. If Jackson did molest all these kids and he's an idiot, which is entirely possible, then he may have said, "No, I'm completely innocent." Now, if MJ came clean and said yes or no truthfully and the he really is innocent, then Messareau is going to subpoena any involved in these shower claims and rip them to shreds. However, if MJ came clean and said, "Yeah I ****ed around with these boys", then Messareau is going to stay far, far, away from allowing anyone to give any more damaging testimony then they've already stated. This is just my take on it as a nobody.

Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

He's a mental mess, he is a very very very sick man on so many levels. And he's not credible at all because of this.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

Right? That's more or less what I was trying to say....he's totally deluded...I don't think HE thinks he's done anything wrong or innapropriate...he needs some intensive mental HELP...and to be locked up away from kids...

The think I fear is that he'll be found not-guilty and there will still be stupid ass parents who will send their kids to see him....I hope that's not the case...it's just what I fear.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Right? That's more or less what I was trying to say....he's totally deluded...I don't think HE thinks he's done anything wrong or innapropriate...he needs some intensive mental HELP...and to be locked up away from kids...

The think I fear is that he'll be found not-guilty and there will still be stupid ass parents who will send their kids to see him....I hope that's not the case...it's just what I fear.

Yep. I don't see that anyone can paint Jacko as rational with his decisionmaking. One poor decision after another.

There is a big fear that he will be found not guilty. Juries are too unpredictable.

The only thing that Messareau can do is poke holes in the credibility of the prosecution's witnesses. That is the defense attorney's job. His client certainly isn't credible and would be a disaster on the stand. There is no way to "prove his innocence".

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

There are many criminal defense attorneys that do not ask if their client commited the crime. They focus on the reasonable doubt issue instead of the innocence issue.

I don't for one second believe that Wacko Jacko would admit anything inappropriate to his lawyer. He is in denial. I mean, how many times has he lied about how many plastic surgeries he has had? I don't think he has the ability to be rational. Also, remember how Jacko didn't even call his lawyer the day he didn't show up in court and left poor Tom hung out to dry in front of the judge? Sounds to me as if there is not a great level of communication between the two of them. He should have been the first person Jacko called when he wasn't gonna show up.

I'm looking at from Messereau's point. If I were him, I would be all over MJ like a ton of bricks to get a solid foundation- otherwise, he risks looking like an idiot in court. Then again, he IS getting paid- so, maybe the money mitigates whether or not he gives a **** if MJ goes up the river.

I agree with Jason- MJ is gonna get nailed on the alcohol charges no matter what. If Messereau can shred the **** out of the witnesses then MJ might get off on the other stuff.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I'm looking at from Messereau's point. If I were him, I would be all over MJ like a ton of bricks to get a solid foundation- otherwise, he risks looking like an idiot in court.

Unfortunately, it does not always matter how much you ask a client to be straight with you - they still may not clue you in to things that can be brought up in court because:

1. They don't think the other side will bring it up;
2. They don't think it is important;
3. They are embarrassed or afraid.

For example, one of the first things that I ask my clients is, " If so-and-so were sitting here, what would they tell me about you and what the problems are in this situation?" And I take it from there. No matter how much you tell them to tell you the worst of the worst about stuff, you will almost always be surprised by what the other side will dredge up in court. I don't do any criminal work, but family law can almost be as worse because everyone has some crap to throw around in custody cases.

[amber]

Hmmm.

"SANTA MARIA, Calif. - Before the Michael Jackson child molestation trial recessed for the weekend, prosecutors presented an ex-employee of Jackson's who testified he was delivering an order of french fries to Jackson at Neverland’s arcade late one night and saw the singer holding “Home Alone” actor Macaulay Culkin up to a video game console with one hand on the boy’s waist and the other in the boy’s shorts.

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“I was shocked. I almost dropped the french fries,” said Phillip LeMarque, 70. He said he sneaked away and then returned, loudly announcing himself.

The defense has asserted that Culkin has repeatedly said he was never molested, and a spokeswoman for the actor has said he has no plans to be part of the case.

Under defense questioning, LeMarque said he and his wife, a cook, sued Jackson for unpaid overtime and received a settlement.

LeMarque said he quit because his wife was asked to sign a false affidavit saying she saw a former maid go through people’s purses. That ex-maid, whose son received a financial settlement from Jackson in the 1990s after he alleged molestation, testified this week that she once found Jackson showering with a boy.

Also on Friday, Jackson’s former maid testified that she and other employees used a “media broker” to sell stories to tabloids, including one claiming inside knowledge of Jackson’s sex life with ex-wife Lisa Marie Presley.

Adrian McManus, who earlier testified for the prosecution that she saw Jackson in compromising positions with boys, insisted under cross-examination that she was not out to get Jackson’s money even when she and four other Neverland employees sued him for millions.


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"I wanted justice,” she said of the wrongful-termination lawsuit, which backfired and resulted in a large judgment against the plaintiffs.

“But your idea of justice was millions of bucks?” asked Jackson attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr.

“That’s not what I call justice,” said the witness. “Honestly, a simple ‘sorry for what we did to you’ would have been enough for me.”

Jackson is on trial on charges of molesting a 13-year-old boy at his Neverland ranch. The prosecution is presenting evidence, much of it from former Jackson employees, that the crime was part of a pattern of inappropriate behavior by the pop star with boys.

Mesereau has used the ex-employees’ legal battles with Jackson and the sale of stories to tabloids to attack their credibility.


Marriage to Presley
McManus, who is not the ex-maid whose son received a settlement, acknowledged that she signed agreements with the Star tabloid and the Splash media and picture agency to sell purported secrets about Jackson’s life with Presley.

Jackson, 46, married Presley in 1994. Presley filed for divorce in 1996. McManus was a Neverland maid from 1990 to 1994.

Prosecutor Ron Zonen asked McManus if she in fact had any information about kinky sex secrets of Jackson and Presley.

“No,” she said.

“Did you ever see any woman stay with Mr. Jackson in his room in the four years you worked at Neverland?” asked Zonen.

“No, I did not,” she said.

On Thursday, McManus testified that she saw the pop star kiss Culkin on the cheek while his hand was on Culkin’s bottom.

McManus described a similar scene with another boy: Jackson and the boy were changing their shirts and Jackson kissed the boy on his cheek and mouth and put his hand on his groin.

When she worked at Neverland, McManus was responsible for cleaning up Jackson’s room, and in an unexplained detour the prosecutor asked if she ever had to clean up after the singer’s pet monkey.

McManus said she did, and also had to clean the monkey’s diapers.

“Did you have to clean up monkey droppings on the floor?” Zonen asked.

“Not on the floor, just on the walls,” McManus said."