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dissention · #31 01-05-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by diamondsnake
Well wouldn't Stevie or Stevie's people be just as ignorant? They had no problem having several of her songs played on the comedy Practical Magic a few years ago, so why do they have a problem with script?

Not at all. They are certainly asses, but not ignorant. They said no to the project for clearly stated reasons, not for bad assumptions and stereotypes. Did they make the right decision? No, they made themselves look like fools. But they didn't say no because they thought that Stevie might be a supporter of trench-coat mafias. I believe they had problems with the script because of some of the gay themes and some of the violence, not goths who like to shoot up schools.

And using your argument that she shouldn't be involved with this project for fear of perpetuating the belief that her fans are effeminate males, why would her songs be used and specially recorded for a movie about witches? After all, that's the last thing Stevie's management and her fans want her to be called...

Sugar · #32 01-05-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by HomerMcvie
He then immediately apologized when he thought he might get his assed kicked.

Rock on, Homer! I think we should have more militants in the FM community!

diamondsnake · #33 01-05-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Well I pity you then. And this has nothing to do with being politically correct.... stinks of ignorance to me..

Well please enlighten me then. And you don't have to get nasty about it. I don't know if this hits close to home for you or what...

dissention · #34 01-05-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by HomerMcvie
But it's an untrue stereotype. While drinking at a sports bar last week, I was telling a girl I was talking to that I was a big FM fan. Some stranger on the other side of her overheard me and said, "So what gay bar do you hang out at?". He then immediately apologized when he thought he might get his assed kicked.

I've never come across that in the states.

It may be a stereotype, but it isn't as unfair and hurtful as the stereotype about goths tha was posted. In all honesty, it's a stupid belief and it hurts no one, unless they are homophobic, which is what comes across when you say he thought he was going to get his ass kicked; it's as if it bothered you when it shouldn't have.

I like Judy Garland but I'm not gay. Should I be bothered that some may think I am? No, I should worry about more important things and not such trivial ridiculousness.

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #35 01-05-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by diamondsnake
Well please enlighten me then. And you don't have to get nasty about it. I don't know if this hits close to home for you or what...

I don't believe I was being nasty. Your stereotype of goths could be considered nasty and ignorant. Do you know any?

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #36 01-05-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by dissention

I like Judy Garland but I'm not gay. Should I be bothered that some may think I am? No, I should worry about more important things and not such trivial ridiculousness.

Judy is dah bomb!

dissention · #37 01-05-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by diamondsnake
Well please enlighten me then. And you don't have to get nasty about it. I don't know if this hits close to home for you or what...

Christopher--

I think you know full well that what you said was a stereotype that others don't share. I think you know full well that goths aren't kids who wear trenchcoats and shoot up schools. I think you know what you said was wrong and you're trying to justify it by playing the ignorant card.

dissention · #38 01-05-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
Judy is dah bomb!

Damn skippy!

*proudly sings "The Trolley Song"*

Sugar · #39 01-05-2004, 01:42 PM

Were those Colombine kids goths? When I think of goths I think of Morrissy (sp?) and Joy Division and even Nine Inch Nails. Physically, I think of goths as doing that white face, heavy black eye make-up thing. Emotionally I always characterize them as sensitive thoughtful types. Met a woman in college wearing the all black thing and someone asked her what was up with that. She replied, "I'm in mourning for the world." To me, that's goth.

dissention · #40 01-05-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Sugar
Were those Colombine kids goths? When I think of goths I think of Morrissy (sp?) and Joy Division and even Nine Inch Nails. Physically, I think of goths as doing that white face, heavy black eye make-up thing. Emotionally I always characterize them as sensitive thoughtful types. Met a woman in college wearing the all black thing and someone asked her what was up with that. She replied, "I'm in mourning for the world." To me, that's goth.

No, they weren't. They were certainly weird, though.

And that's pretty much my understanding of goths.

diamondsnake · #41 01-05-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
I don't believe I was being nasty. Your stereotype of goths could be considered nasty and ignorant. Do you know any?

I actually do know one person who one might consider gothic and she is the most annoying, self centered, laugh at her own jokes, "look at me, I'm so smart", unfunny girl in the United States. And this has nothing to do with her clothes. Maybe since she is the only gothic person I know, it has made me think that all gothics are like this, which obviously is not true.

whitesoxx · #42 01-05-2004, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by HomerMcvie
But it's an untrue stereotype. While drinking at a sports bar last week, I was telling a girl I was talking to that I was a big FM fan. Some stranger on the other side of her overheard me and said, "So what gay bar do you hang out at?". He then immediately apologized when he thought he might get his assed kicked.

Now THAT is what I call ignorance: gay men and sports bars don't mix!!!

Seriously, though, this homophobia and gothophobia thing is just SO sad!

Sugar · #43 01-05-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by diamondsnake
I actually do know one person who one might consider gothic and she is the most annoying, self centered, laugh at her own jokes, "look at me, I'm so smart", unfunny girl in the United States. And this has nothing to do with her clothes. Maybe since she is the only gothic person I know, it has made me think that all gothics are like this, which obviously is not true.

So I'm guessing she doesn't wear a trench coat or pack a shotgun...

diamondsnake · #44 01-05-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by dissention
Christopher--

I think you know full well that what you said was a stereotype that others don't share. I think you know full well that goths aren't kids who wear trenchcoats and shoot up schools. I think you know what you said was wrong and you're trying to justify it by playing the ignorant card.

I am sorry and you are right, trying to justify what I said is not getting me anywhere. I am sorry to everyone who I have offended. But please stop ganging up on me! I can't take this, which I know is silly since this is just a message board, but I love this board and don't want everyone hating me here.

strandinthewind · #45 01-05-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
So... let me get this straight. Stevie's management turned down this movie because it was weird?

I am sure Stevie's people get approached for many different projects about or related to her. This just happens to be one of the projects that actually got made.

I kind of think it was a financial thing as this movie appears to have been made with a small budget. I mean (right or wrong) no big star associates their one maketable commodity unless the cash is paid. For example, how many times do you suppose Madonna's people or Diana Ross' or La Streisand's people get approached for stories similar to this.

Personally, I think her management compancy should have let her stuff be used. If anything it would have been more publicity. But, they never asked me