I'm sorry but I think Lindsey is a little overrated - Page 2

wondergirl9847 · #16 04-30-2003, 12:30 AM

Not getting something, IMO, means, not connecting with that person's music. That's what I mean by that. I connect with Lindsey's music/guitar playing, in a way that I've NEVER done with ANY other artist...EVER. When I watch him do ISA on The Dance video...I cry. Nobody else in the WORLD may cry at that song/performance, but I do...it touches my soul. Red Rover makes me cry too. I "get" Lindsey because I connect with his lyrics/music. I understand what he's trying to say.

People connect with Stevie like I do with Lindsey....I understand how her lyrics/music can touch peoples' souls, but I don't connect with her like that. I enjoy her music immensely, but I've never cried listening to her music and it's never hit me, ya know? I don't "get" her...meaning, I don't connect with her music. Same with Miss Christine....LOVE her songs, but don't feel anything from them really except the song Why.

P.S. LINDSEY IS THE EPITOME OF GORGEOUSNESS!!! LOL I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with THAT statement!

Craig · #17 04-30-2003, 12:43 AM

well, stevie is my #3 behind Madonna and then Kate Bush so I don't feel a connection as deep as you do.

On the topic of Lindsey, does anyone know a good place to get Tusk-mirage era pics of him? That one pic in the tusk cd booklet of his blue eyes is a really nice one.

estranged4life · #18 04-30-2003, 12:45 AM

with what Christy said about connecting with someone on a musical level...

Believe it or not, I connect more with the progressive rock band Dream Theater. The last chapter (ie-"Losing Time/Grand Finale") of the EPIC song "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence" connects personally to me more than Stevie or Fleetwood Mac ever have...But it hasnt changed my opinion of either Stevie or FM. I don't try to compare the 2 groups because I see 'em on a equal ground, And that ground is that they both entertain me...Brian "Ytse Jammer" J.

Craig · #19 04-30-2003, 12:47 AM

this guy I used to work with LOVES dream theater..to a fault

I've heard a lot of their stuff in his car, wasn't my thing though.

wondergirl9847 · #20 04-30-2003, 12:48 AM

www.buckinghamnicks.net (GREAT Lindsey photos here!!!!!)

burnish.net

www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com

www.followthesound.com

http://members.tripod.com/lindseysite/photos/

Good stuff here!!

Craig · #21 04-30-2003, 12:52 AM

thank you very much

DownOnRodeo · #22 04-30-2003, 02:26 AM

Is it possible you're saying Lindsey is overrated because people here are quick to promote him because in the eyes of the world he is undoubtedly underrated?

You say that Stevie could go on fine without Lindsey. I agree 100%. Whether he makes all her music or someone else does, what's the difference? But for a lot of us, the fact that Lindsey's albums are all about the tapestry of his music and production, as much as the songs' lyrics, makes his work all the more important and personal for us.

EnchantedStorms · #23 04-30-2003, 04:18 AM

Wellllllllll now. Don't hold back, LindseyRocks. Please, tell us how you *really* feel.

That was just rude.

I love Lindsey, and Stevie....almost equally....and yah, I agree with you, they are at their best when they're together. But someone could take your own words and throw them back at you in defense of Stevie, instead of Lindsey. Maybe, just maybe, Lindsey's songs are better on SYW because of what STEVIE added to them. And although it's not *mine*, it's all about OPINION. And not everyone has to share yours.

Sheesh.

tommer · #24 04-30-2003, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by LindseyRocks
Yes, believe it or not folks, I was just holding back before...you're a ****ing idiot. As far as I'm concerned, you're exactly the type of fan that Fleetwood Mac doesn't need - you're just another dweeb with you head stuck way up the butt of mainstream american popular culture...you're a moron, and you have no idea what you're talking about.
david

david, you were doing alot better while you were holding back, retry it.

SmthngOfADreamr · #25 04-30-2003, 07:18 AM

You're on a FM fan site, so it's only natural that people are going to gloat about and fawn over Lindsey here. And that's fine. We're not overrating him, we're just expressing our opinions. I agree with the notion that if anything, Lindsey is UNDERrated by the general public.

anusha · #26 04-30-2003, 07:30 AM

One small factoid, re: Tusk. Even though LB has more songs than anyone, the actual time is evenly split among the three. For Mirage and TITN, I think that there were fewer SN songs because she was out on the road during part of the sessions.

CarneVaca · #27 04-30-2003, 08:39 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Craig
She is of course the most recognizable member and the most popular, that's no fluke. Her songs aren't the groups most successful though, Christines are.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Popularity does not equal brilliance. Without the chiffon and the witchy aura, Stevie Nicks would have been a 1970s footnote. And I will concede she has written some great songs, but so has a lot of people who have not and will never achieve a fraction of her success. That's because success ain't about greatness. It's about image and marketing.

and I do know something you don't, that this is my opinion

Well, at least I know where you're coming from. It will be a lot easier to dismiss anything you say after that statement.

Big love apparently was meant for a solo album, I remember seeing that in the late 80s or early 90s in a muchmusic spotlight little clip..he seemed bitter but at the same time he also gave them the song.

What the Big Love episode shows is that Lindsey was willing to give Fleetwood Mac his best songs while Stevie was giving the band crappy leftovers -- When I See You Again, Welcome to the Room, Sara. Obviously she had gotten so much in the habit of giving leftovers to the band that even she admits she had to go write new songs for SYW after listening to the stuff.

Besides, has Stevie never been bitter? Just look at her attitude right before the album was released. While Lindsey was coming across as the at-peace, harmonious guy, she kept sulking. And, frankly, what this whole SYW release has shown is something I suspected for a long time: While neither of them is perfect, Lindsey is not only the better musician by far and the better songwriter, he is also the better person.

SmthngOfADreamr · #28 04-30-2003, 09:02 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CarneVaca

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Originally posted by Craig
She is of course the most recognizable member and the most popular, that's no fluke. Her songs aren't the groups most successful though, Christines are.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Popularity does not equal brilliance. Without the chiffon and the witchy aura, Stevie Nicks would have been a 1970s footnote. And I will concede she has written some great songs, but so has a lot of people who have not and will never achieve a fraction of her success. That's because success ain't about greatness. It's about image and marketing.

and I do know something you don't, that this is my opinion

Well, at least I know where you're coming from. It will be a lot easier to dismiss anything you say after that statement.

Big love apparently was meant for a solo album, I remember seeing that in the late 80s or early 90s in a muchmusic spotlight little clip..he seemed bitter but at the same time he also gave them the song.

What the Big Love episode shows is that Lindsey was willing to give Fleetwood Mac his best songs while Stevie was giving the band crappy leftovers -- When I See You Again, Welcome to the Room, Sara. Obviously she had gotten so much in the habit of giving leftovers to the band that even she admits she had to go write new songs for SYW after listening to the stuff.

Besides, has Stevie never been bitter? Just look at her attitude right before the album was released. While Lindsey was coming across as the at-peace, harmonious guy, she kept sulking. And, frankly, what this whole SYW release has shown is something I suspected for a long time: While neither of them is perfect, Lindsey is not only the better musician by far and the better songwriter, he is also the better person.

I really appreciate a lot of the intelligent conversation that you add to this board, but I swear that it seems that once every few months you regress and spew out the same tired arguments time and time again that don't even hold an ounce of validity. And I hate getting involved in them, but...

To dismiss Stevie Nicks as a marketing tool is just asanine. Like many other FM fans, I didn't know a thing about the witchy persona or the chiffon when I became a fan... it was just about the music. Frankly it's really insulting that you think so little of anyone who appreciates a Afreakin' Stevie Nicks song.

And I don't think she relegated her leftovers to FM this time. I think the TISL demos that were held were done so on purpose.

And enough with who's better-Lindsey or Stevie. (That goes for everyone) It's so childish to want to pick sides like that. Everyone just like what you like, and screw anyone who says you can't. Who gives a **** who's the best songwriter or musician. Music is subjective, and it will always be.

David · #29 04-30-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
But for a lot of us, the fact that Lindsey's albums are all about the tapestry of his music and production, as much as the songs' lyrics, makes his work all the more important and personal for us.

I like the way you put this, Joe. The "tapestry of music & production" is what engages me when it comes to pop songs, & those elements are so expertly crafted in the best Fleetwood Mac work that the aesthetic enjoyment we experience is as purely emotional as it is intellectual. The same holds true for film: Hitchcock's "Vertigo" is as emotionally compelling for the formal elements of its production & design as it is for the obsessed tale its words create.

blinker12 · #30 04-30-2003, 09:27 AM

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Besides, has Stevie never been bitter? Just look at her attitude right before the album was released. While Lindsey was coming across as the at-peace, harmonious guy, she kept sulking. And, frankly, what this whole SYW release has shown is something I suspected for a long time: While neither of them is perfect, Lindsey is not only the better musician by far and the better songwriter, he is also the better person.

Oh, come on, CarneVaca. You have raised this thread to a new level of absurdity. Lindsey's the better person? So now you're officially God, passing judgment on us mere mortals?

Both Lindsey and Stevie have acted childish in their lives, and both have readily admitted as much. As for the dispute between the two about the sequencing of SYW: Hasn't it occurred to you that Lindsey was less upset than Stevie about the outcome because he won the argument? He got his way: the edgy, political stuff opened the album, just like he wanted. I suspect if Stevie had won, he would have been as sulky as she was.

I completely agree with what SmthngOfADreamr said. I appreciate your many intelligent contributions to this board. But when you frame your wildly anti-Stevie opinions as fact _ as you have done, on an even more outrageous level than usual, in this thread _ it's just plain annoying.