I'm sorry but I think Lindsey is a little overrated
 

I'm very much wondernig what everyone sees in LIndsey around here, I think he's extremely talented and prob the best guitar player I know about on earth but I don't give him all the red carpet mess everyoen seems to.

Now, I am indeed a stevie fan moreso than Lindsey but that's not really why I am making this thread, I just think he's given way too much credit.

I love his work all the way up to Tango and I'm sure he arranged all the songs on the Dance but Say you will is very much like that Cradle solo album he had..which was a lot like his former work.

I just don't hear anything new from him at all.

about his production of stevie songs, I used to think he was the best, I mean he IS the best so far but I don't think she is nothing without his production, trouble in shangrila.

Mac has turned into his group, I get that, it turned into his group LONG ago but I just think he's not all that.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Here is mine. I like LB and think some of his songs shine on SWY (esp. Miranda, Say Goodbye, and in its own way Come). I do think, however, that based on what I have seen he needs to take a few vocal lessons. Perhaps he will. Then he will be even better.

well, I love red rover and a few other of his songs on there, I don't think he's awful, I tend to love his background vocals..in Gypsy he sounds really good, very fatherlike in When I see you again.

I just think peopel give him way too much.

It's all good..your opinion is just that,yours.

Re: I'm sorry but I think Lindsey is a little overrated
 

I agree with you to a certain extent. However, I really don't think that he's given too much credit. He is dedicated to his craft and he truly loves what he does. He made three albums that essentially floped because he wanted to experiment and take some chances. I absolutely love OOTC and I truly think that he is perhaps the most talented guitarist alive...at least in my humble opinion he is. He is amazing and his contributions to this new album are substantial. I do feel the band makes certain to not rub his ego the wrong way...whether that's out of fear that they'll piss him off or not, I don't know. I wouldn't go as far to say that Fleetwood Mac turned into his band a long time ago....I think when things went down in the 70s, he took control of the situation because no one else stepped up to the plate. I wouldn't say that Stevie is nothing without Lindsey especially since I feel that Trouble in Shangri La is some of her best solo work. But, I would say that he brings out the best in her and actually, they bring out the best in each other. After all, isn't that what makes Fleetwood Mac, Fleetwood Mac?

I think Out Of The Cradle is in a different league to anything I've heard from the others personally, and easily up there with the best Mac albums. The live performances that I've seen/heard during the tour for that were great, and I loved the concept of having 5 guitarists out there.

I watched the vh1 top 100 women the other day, with Stevie at #13.... The guy said that there was a lot of talent there, but without her, Fleetwood Mac were going nowhere.

Without Lindsey, I doubt she would have got to where she was going as quickly. So if anything, she's the one that get's a little too much credit. They were equally important to the mix imo. Stevies looks and voice + Lindseys guitar playing and arranging.

As for "nothing new"... He's constantly developing ideas, as you can see when you read any interviews with him. I don't know of many other big name 50 years olds still doing that.

Well, Craig, what does one have to accomplish not to be considered overrated in your eyes? Critics and DJs, not to mention us fans, constantly say Lindsey is UNDERated. You must know something we don't.

Then again, I'm sure you think Stevie deserves all the attention she gets, right?

I think Lindsey's great. The only credit I think is undeserved is where people say he brings out the best in Stevie and her songs. (Granted, she helps fuel this perception by writing about him so often still.) I think many of her demos sound great even before any producer gets his hands on them.
Also, while I love much of Lindsey's music on any given album, I wish he would vary the sounds more. JMO

- Jake

I think it all started when Lindsey didn't get the props for everything he did on the Rumours album. And then on Tusk, he took control and was blamed for the "commercial failure" (pleezz). After that he was alot more conservative, I think, in his contributions to the Mac. Some of his stuff on SYW harkens to those dreadful Lindsey songs on Tusk that I didn't like - so it appears he is off "exploring the left side of his palette" again.

I think Lindsey deserves credit for his guitar playing, his production and his arrangement of songs. However, I do not think his voice is good anymore, and I have never really been crazy about any songs of his since Rumours.

I never meant to make it seem like I think he sucks, I think his cronies in here might have taken that the wrong way.

I just think that he's praised a little too much.

Stevie goes on without him perfectly fine, I used to think that she needed him but I really think she CAN manage alone too.

I for one think he's always given himself the most songs, whicH I never agreed with because Tusk had some o fhis songs sounding a complete mess. If not fo rhis songs I think that album would have been FAR more successful and less panned. I mean it's stevies Best work ever.

I think that with all I've said about him that he IS the one to watch in fleetwood mac seeing that Christine and Stevie seemingly are always on top of things(minus tango for stevie) but it's Lindsey who has to be in it as well for the album to work.

I mean, he's the producer, if he's on some tangent then the album will sound like crap as well. I think he was on his game best with Tango in the night, I think he did an amazing job on that album.

I don't own out of the cradle but I have heard it and I thought it was his worst. I mean it's a huge rehash of songs he did with Mac, there was one song on there that was almost the exact same as Big love..er, I mean it would be fine if that album came out in 1988 or even 1989 but it came out in 1994 I think..that didn't sit well with me. Same on SYW, mullow and even Destiny rules sound like the chain part two and three to me.

Not to mention all the Dreams and Rhiannon rehashes we've had in mac history.

I say that loving Gold dust woman, sara, sister of the moon fireflies, gyspy and the rest but the sound was definetly linked to the past.

Is there really a need for all that? meow.

Anyway, I definetly think Stevie deserves the credit she gets, I mean what credit does she get anyway? that without her the band wouldn't be where it is now? well you can give that credit to every member of the band.

She is of course the most recognizable member and the most popular, that's no fluke. Her songs aren't the groups most successful though, Christines are.

and I do know something you don't, that this is my opinion, I don't really care how many DJs think he's underrated, I personally think he's given way too much credit. I have always sort of resented how much of the projects he takes on himself..then to complain about his solo career getting overlooked(by himself as well). Big love apparently was meant for a solo album, I remember seeing that in the late 80s or early 90s in a muchmusic spotlight little clip..he seemed bitter but at the same time he also gave them the song.

I agree that Stevies demos are very good before anyone touches them, I loved her version of Not make believe better, her 80s demos as well.

I still very much would like to know what you think Stevie gets credit for and from that what you think she doesn't deserve.

WARNING, WARNING: Danger Will Robinson!!
 

OMG, OVERrated???????????????????????????????????????

EVERYONE is entitled to THEIR opinion.....even if they are WRONG! ;) :laugh:

Kidding. Sorta. LOL

I seriously think that it comes down to preference...not over or under rating. I think Lindsey is a FRICKIN GENIUS and deserves Grammys, Academy Awards (DANGIT, he NEEDS to do a movie soundtrack, I tell ya!!!!!), accolades out the yin-yang...but peeps just don't seem to GET Lindsey. :shrug: A LOT of people want safe, pre-packaged music, non-stimulating lyrics, fluff or what have you on a constant basis...fine. I mean, I do like Backstreet Boys, NSync, some Britney songs, etc...BUT, they aren't my faves and I don't cry at their songs or feel their lyrics in my soul. They are fun to listen to, that's it. I like all KINDS of music.

If ANYONE in this band is OVERrated it's.....Mick Fleetwood. I mean, he's a decent drummer, and his name is half of the name of the band, but come on! Granted, he's kept this band together so that we even HAVE a SYW, but I don't see how his drumming is innovative or really THAT interesting. I DO love that part in GYOW at the end and Tusk has great drumming, but other than that...I don't pay much attention to the drumming in FM. :shrug: DANG, I veered from THAT thread again...dang you, confessional thread!!! :mad: LOL

Don't flame me, please, it's been a hard week for me...lost my job and tomorrow is my last day to see my coworkers (my friends)...so...I'm just tired. :(

I will admit I don't like that every guitar on this album seems to be sped up. I guess I'll see what he can really do live and maybe he will shut me up and prove that all those quick solos and guitar parts are real.

I also wish he'd be more sensitive or more himself in his songs...and not try so hard.

But he is so gorgeous, whatever he lacks he makes up with looks. :)

not going to flame you, sorry about your job.

All I wanted to say was that it's not a question of getting something, I really don't like that whole attitude of not liking something being thought to be rooted in not getting it.

I just think the man is good, a great amazing guitarist who can produce the crap out of a song at times but I just don't think he's all THAT. that's all I meant with this thread.

I don't think not being into everything he does is about liking safe music either, I LOVE kate bush and that woman is so far beyond the scope of Lindsey when it comes to 'unsafe" music and just the thought process that goes behind her music far eclipses his imo. It' snothing about safe music with me is all I mean to say. I just think he goes out of his way sometimes and it doesn't work.

Ooh..nail..head..hit!!! tell me about it, not sure about NOW but that man has had some gorgeous days in his life. I'd most say from Tusk to Mirage or so, he looked FINE.:o