Go Pelosi!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by amber

yeah, I was reading about that, that they finally figured out it would be cheaper to do that then the money they spend treating people with no healthcare.
Today in the paper it says Schwartz is going to mandate that 10% of emissions are cut by 2020. That isn't very much, is it? Sounds pretty weak, to me. They should do 10% by 2010. The fricking ice caps will be melted by 2020.

Don't you wonder what the contingency plan for the uber wealthy will be when the planet melts? Are they going to start a new colony in space somewhere?

[skcin]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Lawmaking and Big Business should be conducted by men in smokey room with lots of scotch. Women should be serving them in bunny uniforms and giving shoulder rubs!

Which group will you be in?

Originally Posted by amber

Nah, I don't want to have to put a sock "down there" to fill it out.

Mwahahaha.

[amber]

Here is the article:

"(01-10) 04:00 PST Sacramento -- California will create the world's first global warming pollution standard for transportation fuels, ratcheting down fuel carbon content 10 percent by 2020 under a plan put forward by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Tuesday in his State of the State address.

The new standard could have implications for the auto industry and change the way gasoline is produced around the globe. Environmentalists hailed it as a way to reduce one of the state's chief sources of greenhouse gas emissions and kick-start fledgling alternative fuel technologies.

"This is a big deal. This policy will be noticed worldwide," said Eric Heitz, president of the Energy Foundation, which monitors the world's energy technology.

Advocates of the proposal said competition from alternative fuels and a reduction in dependence on oil would prevent gasoline prices from rising, but oil companies said changing the mix of fuels to reduce carbon emissions would carry a cost.

"I can't predict what the price will do. All these decisions we will be making going forward will be difficult. There will be economic consequences somewhere," said Cathy Reheis-Boyd, Sacramento lobbyist for the Western States Petroleum Association. "How much and who they're allocated to remains to be seen."

The plan gives the makers of gasoline and diesel fuel discretion in how they reach the target. They can either reformulate their fuel or increase use of alternative fuels such as ethanol, natural gas and hydrogen.

"Our cars have been running on dirty fuel too long. Our country has been dependent on foreign oil for too long. I ask you to set in motion the means to free ourselves from oil and from OPEC," Schwarzenegger told a joint session of the Legislature.

Schwarzenegger plans to issue an executive order requiring the state's Air Resources Board to draft rules for a new carbon fuel standard, which would take effect in January 2010. His authority to do that comes from landmark legislation signed last year aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions across a wide spectrum of industries.

Gasoline sold in California already contains 6 percent ethanol. The amount could be boosted to 10 percent without any harm to auto engines, advocates of the governor's plan said. But such an increase would not be enough on its own to meet the governor's emission reduction standard.

Although the European Union is weighing a similar rule on carbon emissions, California would be the first government to create one.

Heitz of the Energy Foundation said the new standard would be the equivalent of taking 3 million cars off the road by 2020.

The new standard is expected to reduce emissions by 13 million metric tons, more than half of the 24 million metric tons of carbon dioxide the state will need to eliminate to meet 1990 vehicle emission levels.

Transportation accounts for 40 percent of the greenhouse gas emissions in California.

Schwarzenegger has made combatting global warming a centerpiece of his administration. He signed landmark legislation last year to reduce emissions from stationary sources, such as refineries and power plants, to 1990 levels by 2020.

Schwarzenegger's predecessor, Gray Davis, signed the nation's first bill to curb carbon dioxide emissions from tailpipes in 2002. That law required automakers to lower emissions of cars, SUVs and pickups by nearly 30 percent between 2009 and 2014. A legal challenge to the law by the auto industry has threatened that timetable.

Tuesday's announcement indirectly affects automakers, because in order to use more alternative fuels, car buyers will need to be able to find cars that run on those fuels.

Automakers have pledged by 2012 to have half their vehicles run on flex fuel, allowing the use of either gasoline or ethanol. Building more hybrids and more natural-gas-powered vehicles also would help reduce emissions.

Tom King, Pacific Gas & Electric's CEO, said Tuesday he backed the governor's proposal and pledged to increase the number of natural-gas stations the company operates. PG&E also has the largest fleet of natural-gas-powered vehicles -- roughly 1,000 -- of any utility.

Under the proposal, makers of gasoline and diesel fuel that do not reach the 10 percent reduction could buy credits from companies exceeding the standard. The credits would be used to reach compliance.

Schwarzenegger contends that the new policy will help foster more investment in alternative fuels and that increased use of them, in turn, will prevent gasoline prices from rising.

"Competition from alternative fuels will have the effect of driving down gas prices. We certainly expect less volatility in the market because we won't be reliant on a single source of fuel," said Jackalyne Pfannenstiel, chair of the California Energy Commission, which is studying cost of alternative fuels.

California has a ways to go before ethanol-powered vehicles pose a competitive threat to gasoline.

There are four pumps that dispense E85 -- a blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline -- in California, a state with 9,800 gas stations and 30 million vehicles. "

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGMPNG4LD1.DTL

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by skcin

Which group will you be in?

For you - either - though I am still running the fukcing show no matter what

Originally Posted by skcin

Mwahahaha.

and that would be because I stretched it out or she has no balls

Finally, I have always maintained the facts indicate Arnold S. has been a good Gov. despite his R affiliation.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Finally, I have always maintained the facts indicate Arnold S. has been a good Gov. despite his R affiliation.

The facts being that he's the Terminator?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by skcin

The facts being that he's the Terminator?

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Finally, I have always maintained the facts indicate Arnold S. has been a good Gov. despite his R affiliation.

He's made some very bad mistakes, but I think he's done a decent job. He's willing to admit mistakes and his emphasis on bipartisanship in the past year led to some good accomplishments. His healthcare proposal isn't great, but it is bold and at this point I thing we need to try different things. Doing nothing gets us nowhere.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

They are called smoking jackets and I have several

Do they even make those anymore? You are seriously like something out of a Tennessee Williams play. Can I call you Big Daddy?

[gldstwmn]

The House just passed a bill to fund stem cell research.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by markolas

Do they even make those anymore? You are seriously like something out of a Tennessee Williams play. Can I call you Big Daddy?

If I can call you sista-woman

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The House just passed a bill to fund stem cell research.

Pinch me.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Pinch me.

OK!!!!!!

do I have to pay you $50?

again?

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

OK!!!!!!

do I have to pay you $50?

again?

Well if you expect to pinch me there, yes!

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Lawmaking and Big Business should be conducted by men in smokey room with lots of scotch. Women should be serving them in bunny uniforms and giving shoulder rubs!

Damn straight!