Madonna breaks bones in riding accident

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by amber

I feel you, dude.

I'm glad someone does

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

I appear to have touched a nerve I have a good idea about riding injuries having had plenty of my own at the hands of my bad-tempered thoroughbred. I agree about kids who shouldn't be riding getting put on horses they can't control, and I have sympathy for them in the event of injury. However, I stand by my lack of feeling for Madonna's problems since I suspect she bit off more than she could chew and paid the price. There's a current impression of her here that she's an English Countrywoman wannabe, who's just bought her way into what she perceives to be a 'normal' upper-class English way of life. Horses, shooting, country estates and enormous amounts of cash - it's just a sad dreamworld, traditionally populated by out-of-touch English aristocrats. For someone from the other side of the world from an ordinary background to decide to buy that way of life is laughable - she's more out-of-touch than the home-grown aristos. It makes our class system the joke that it is. I guess my prejudice has shone through here and I don't necessarily expect you guys to understand it... anyway I'll reserve my sympathy regarding riding accidents for the likes of Christopher Reeve.

To go a bit off topic. My issue is your tone comes across as almost laughing at her and her misfortune, which I find rude. Sort of like she deserved it because she is a rich imposter. To me, that is the same snobbery that I abhor in people of her class issuing to the poor. But, maybe the cultural differences here are clouding your message. In the end and in any event, I would never wish ill on anyone rich or poor and if either got in an accident that caused them pain, I would be sorry for their pain no matter what lesson I subjectively thought was taught. So, that is my I reacted the way I did.

Interestingly, Christopher Reeve was rich and could afford any medical care

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It is more like sympathy that she or any other human being is in pain, etc. But, to each their own.

Yeah, sure someone's in pain - but how much sympathy can one person have? If you have sympathy for Madonna in this instance, then how much proportionate sympathy do you have for someone tortured to death in Uzbekistan or 160 people lost in a plane crash? There's only so much sympathy, man, and once I see some people's real problems there's no sympathy left for Madonna

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Yeah, sure someone's in pain - but how much sympathy can one person have? If you have sympathy for Madonna in this instance, then how much proportionate sympathy do you have for someone tortured to death in Uzbekistan or 160 people lost in a plane crash? There's only so much sympathy, man, and once I see some people's real problems there's no sympathy left for Madonna

Certainly, I sympathize more with someone who suffers more. But, I have sympathy for anyone in pain. Again, I do not lose sympathy for somone in pain just because they are rich because I think that is being a snob, which I abhor. I guess maybe I am more sympathetic in general than you are - which is cool. Like I said, to each their own.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

To go a bit off topic. My issue is your tone comes across as almost laughing at her and her misfortune, which I find rude. Sort of like she deserved it because she is a rich imposter. To me, that is the same snobbery that I abhor in people of her class issuing to the poor. But, maybe the cultural differences here are clouding your message. In the end and in any event, I would never wish ill on anyone rich or poor and if either got in an accident that caused them pain, I would be sorry for their pain no matter what lesson I subjectively thought was taught. So, that is my I reacted the way I did.

Interestingly, Christopher Reeve was rich and could afford any medical care

Sure Christopher Reeve got all the care his money brought him, but the point is, it did him no good

I'm not laughing at her just because she fell off a horse - I was laughing at her before. It's got nothing to do with snobbery either - quite the opposite in fact. This is the thing about class that you guys thankfully have never had to deal with. Having money does not mean you are upper class. Nouveau riche, or people from ordinary backgrounds who come into money, are usually so bereft of taste and awareness that they buy into a false idea of what makes them look good. There's no subtlety, no humility and most of all, no class... Where there's a class system is where these people look so obviously out-of-touch. That's why people don't like them.

I don't wish ill on anyone, I never said I was glad she got hurt - but I refuse to feel sorry for her. Would she feel sorry for me? I think not. It may be the worst thing that ever happened to her, it may not - but I hardly care.

[amber]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Yeah, sure someone's in pain - but how much sympathy can one person have? If you have sympathy for Madonna in this instance, then how much proportionate sympathy do you have for someone tortured to death in Uzbekistan or 160 people lost in a plane crash? There's only so much sympathy, man, and once I see some people's real problems there's no sympathy left for Madonna

That's when I shift to, what is, in essence, meaningless sympathy. Like, I have sympathy for madonna's injuries, but she doesn't care, she'll never know, and I don't really feel it that much. I think about it for, say, 3-4 seconds and say "oooch, bummer. Hope she'll be okay" and that's about the extent of it, which, considering it's affect, is plenty, I think.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Certainly, I sympathize more with someone who suffers more. But, I have sympathy for anyone in pain. Again, I do not lose sympathy for somone in pain just because they are rich because I think that is being a snob, which I abhor. I guess maybe I am more sympathetic in general than you are - which is cool. Like I said, to each their own.

The size of her bank balance is not the reason why I don't have sympathy for her - anyway that isn't snobbery. Snobbery is behaving like your money has bought you the right to look down on those without money, which appears to be what Madonna is doing. Like suddenly not allowing people to walk across her land, as they've done for centuries. That kind of thing is why I have no sympathy for her current problems.

As for being more sympathetic in general than me, well what a thing to say I'm just a bit more discerning about spreading my sympathy.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

. . . It's got nothing to do with snobbery either - quite the opposite in fact. This is the thing about class that you guys thankfully have never had to deal with. Having money does not mean you are upper class. Nouveau riche, or people from ordinary backgrounds who come into money, are usually so bereft of taste and awareness that they buy into a false idea of what makes them look good. There's no subtlety, no humility and most of all, no class... Where there's a class system is where these people look so obviously out-of-touch. That's why people don't like them.

To me, that sounds like snobbery against the rich It sort of is like saying "Oh you are rich so you can't possibly suffer in any way and if you do, I refuse to feel sorry for you because you are rich - I only feel sorry for the poor because they are more deserving than you despite any pain you may be in." I just never feel that way. I always feel bad for anyone hurt in an injury. But, to each their own.

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

I don't wish ill on anyone, I never said I was glad she got hurt - but I refuse to feel sorry for her. Would she feel sorry for me? I think not. It may be the worst thing that ever happened to her, it may not - but I hardly care . . . .

Actually, her religious beliefs indicate she cares about you now and would then

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Actually, her religious beliefs indicate she cares about you now and would then

Her religious beliefs must also be behind her not allowing children to touch her at all when she does book signings for her ghost-written books.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

The size of her bank balance is not the reason why I don't have sympathy for her - anyway that isn't snobbery. Snobbery is behaving like your money has bought you the right to look down on those without money, which appears to be what Madonna is doing. Like suddenly not allowing people to walk across her land, as they've done for centuries. That kind of thing is why I have no sympathy for her current problems.

As for being more sympathetic in general than me, well what a thing to say I'm just a bit more discerning about spreading my sympathy.

LOL - to each their own and we are never going to agree because you are a snob a loveable one, but one nonetheless - in fact most Brits are, and I love them for it I mean if her kids dropped dead, would you say - oh she deserves it. I think not and if you did

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Her religious beliefs must also be behind her not allowing children to touch her at all when she does book signings for her ghost-written books.

I never heard that - let's see the site because I have seen pics of her holding kids, etc.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

To me, that sounds like snobbery against the rich It sort of is like saying "Oh you are rich so you can't possibly suffer in any way and if you do, I refuse to feel sorry for you because you are rich - I only feel sorry for the poor because they are more deserving than you despite any pain you may be in." I just never feel that way. I always feel bad for anyone hurt in an injury. But, to each their own.

Like I say, it's got nothing to do with money, but maybe you've not read my post yet Would you feel bad for anyone hurt in an accident? Without wishing to create a crass comparison between Madonna and an African dictator, would you spare sympathy for Idi Amin if he fell off his horse? How far does your sympathy stretch? My point is, it doesn't make you a bad person if you don't feel sorry for everyone's little problems.

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Actually, her religious beliefs indicate she cares about you now and would then

Don't start me about that. Religion and fashion do mix after all

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I never heard that - let's see the site because I have seen pics of her holding kids, etc.

Ooh, quite defensive, aren't we?

I've seen them, they're pics from when she read her latest ghost-written book in NYC a couple of months ago. There was an article I read back when her first one was published that talked about how she made it clear to her security and the management of the store that the kids were not allowed to touch her. I thought it was quite funny, considering they're only six year olds.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

LOL - to each their own and we are never going to agree because you are a snob a loveable one, but one nonetheless - in fact most Brits are, and I love them for it I mean if her kids dropped dead, would you say - oh she deserves it. I think not and if you did

I think not too - I may be a bit argumentative and difficult in a British class-obsessed stiff-upper-lip kind of way, but I am not totally heartless Not usually anyway

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Like I say, it's got nothing to do with money, but maybe you've not read my post yet Would you feel bad for anyone hurt in an accident? Without wishing to create a crass comparison between Madonna and an African dictator, would you spare sympathy for Idi Amin if he fell off his horse? How far does your sympathy stretch? My point is, it doesn't make you a bad person if you don't feel sorry for everyone's little problems. :

Yes, I would feel sorry Idi Amin if he fell of his horse, though as you correctly noted, Madonna hardly rises to that level. It is not my place in the world to laugh at the misfortune of others or to exact some type of justice for it. That is what courts of law are for. I think that if I did that, then I would not be the better person. Hey - it works in my head

I also want to say that like Amber, I am not crying for Madonna while tyoing this I am just sorry she a bit of bad luck. That is all.