Cruise clashes with Lauer on 'Today' show

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Bruce Hornsby said it best "Up in front for everyone to see, I'm graceful like a bumbling fool.."

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

What a bumbling ****tard.

Send your kids to Narconon, folks!

Did you watch the video? He was twitching all over the place when talking to Lauer about this. He doesn't like psychiatry? Gee, I wonder why?

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by amber

wait - you are scared to drive, don't take aspirin/medicine (?) are scared of planes, will not go to the restroom in public, and, I'm sure other stuff.
I dunno, dude....Pot/Kettle!

Me either. I HATE driving, don't have my license yet (I'll be 30 next May), hate taking any pills (can't swallow them, gotta chew them. Blergh), hate flying and public restrooms (thank God for the new motion detector stuff LOL).

[amber]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

Me either. I HATE driving, don't have my license yet (I'll be 30 next May), hate taking any pills (can't swallow them, gotta chew them. Blergh), hate flying and public restrooms (thank God for the new motion detector stuff LOL).

See? we're all crazy somehow.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

wait - you are scared to drive, don't take aspirin/medicine (?) are scared of planes, will not go to the restroom in public, and, I'm sure other stuff.
I dunno, dude....Pot/Kettle!

I don't even compare to Toothy Cruise. I don't contract strangers to be my beard, nor am I involved in that freaky cult.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by amber

See? we're all crazy somehow.

My favorite personal saying:
We're all crazy -- some people are just better at hiding it.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

My favorite personal saying:
We're all crazy -- some people are just better at hiding it.

I'm not. I wear my craziness loud and proud. Ain't no shame in my game.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

I don't even compare to Toothy Cruise. I don't contract strangers to be my beard, nor am I involved in that freaky cult.

True. But if you were set on being a huge movie star in the eighties, might you have had a beard? And don't say you wouldn't, cause how can you know.
Scientology - unfortunate, but...it can't take away from the joy Tom has given me. And what about your girl? She AGREED to be a beard, for success, fame, etc. Just as big a "crime" in my book. At least comparable to Tom's beard needings. And don't say, oh, she would have been just as big without him/that. I'm sure she might have, either way she's very talented and deserves to have been. But she still made that heinous choice, which is not so different than Tom's. ie, I want to be famous and successful, and I will do what I think I need to do to achieve that.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

True. But if you were set on being a huge movie star in the eighties, might you have had a beard? And don't say you wouldn't, cause how can you know.

No, because I like women and men. I would never, ever contract someone to pretend to be my lover or spouse. NEVER.

Originally Posted by amber

Scientology - unfortunate, but...it can't take away from the joy Tom has given me. And what about your girl? She AGREED to be a beard, for success, fame, etc. Just as big a "crime" in my book. At least comparable to Tom's beard needings. And don't say, oh, she would have been just as big without him/that. I'm sure she might have, either way she's very talented and deserves to have been. But she still made that heinous choice, which is not so different than Tom's. ie, I want to be famous and successful, and I will do what I think I need to do to achieve that.

His constant touting of Scientology makes him an utter dick in my eyes. That **** is dangerous and the idea that some may get turned onto it because of him is very scary.

No one knows the details of what went on with her and Toothy. Maybe she did marry him to be his beard, maybe he just led her on in the beginning and got her to marry him. No one knows for sure, but we can guess. But we certainly can deduce a lot of things from this current Katie Holmes business. It's as obvious as the color of the sky. If Kidman did marry him to be his beard, that's not a very attractive thing, but at least she doesn't act like a complete and utter fool for the world to look at and laugh at, and she conducts herself with dignity in public. Something Cruise can't do lately, or so it seems.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by jannieC

According to them, anything can be controlled with the mind and their little machines (but they don't talk about that too much). I guess if you think about it hard enough, you can wish away your delusions and voices.

Well, Confuscious said if you try to work on the mind with the mind how can you avoid immense confusion? If your mind is ill then how can you fix it with that sick mind? You can't.

One of my childhood friends became schizophrenic. If she is not on medication she eventually becomes catatonic. After flipping out believing everyone is plotting against her.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

No, because I like women and men. I would never, ever contract someone to pretend to be my lover or spouse. NEVER.



His constant touting of Scientology makes him an utter dick in my eyes. That **** is dangerous and the idea that some may get turned onto it because of him is very scary.

No one knows the details of what went on with her and Toothy. Maybe she did marry him to be his beard, maybe he just led her on in the beginning and got her to marry him. No one knows for sure, but we can guess. But we certainly can deduce a lot of things from this current Katie Holmes business. It's as obvious as the color of the sky. If Kidman did marry him to be his beard, that's not a very attractive thing, but at least she doesn't act like a complete and utter fool for the world to look at and laugh at, and she conducts herself with dignity in public. Something Cruise can't do lately, or so it seems.

Good, yes. I will discount your "I would not hire a beard" thing, because, well, you're not tom cruise in the 80's, or gay. Of course you wouldn't, as many people wouldn't.
Remember, Tom didn't act like a fool either, those other times. I, personally, blame his recent oafishness on psychological pressure, ie, now everyone knows he's supergay, but he feels constricted, like he can't possibly reveal that. Bad? Yes. Ill advised? certainly. But I just feel bad for him. His actions speak of a man in panic, and no one should ever panic because they are gay, in an ideal society.
Your point about Scientology is well taken. But I guess, like any lame religion, he feels it's helped him and wants to share. Whatever with that. Lame.
Overall, I think he's an ok person, and tries to be. Unfortunately scientology is the foundation for that. I agree that people should not be swayed because of what he says about it.
I must say, though, with all the celebrity crap out there, he is refreshing for me. He seems nice, he tries to help people, he is somewhat humble, etc. I know that sounds....pollyanna....but... That's just how I feel.
For everything he's ever done, this backlash seems very severe.

[dudden22]

Originally Posted by amber

For everything he's ever done, this backlash seems very severe.

I think the backlash is so severe because he is acting insane and lashing out at people. He was a complete dick to Lauer, then there was Brooke, then there was Oprah, and Leno. If he is gay he is hurting his career more by the way he is acting now than he would by just coming out.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dudden22

I think the backlash is so severe because he is acting insane and lashing out at people. He was a complete dick to Lauer, then there was Brooke, then there was Oprah, and Leno. If he is gay he is hurting his career more by the way he is acting now than he would by just coming out.

yes, but imagine if you were him. I mean, he's been super nice, super normal, super accomodating for like, what - 30 years? Of course he is hurting his stuff, but do you honestly believe it wouldn't be just as bad for him if he came out?
man in a panic, I tell you.
Geez! A little empathy? And, I would hardly call that "lashing out". It's like, barely lashing out. Even when that guy sprayed his face with water he was polite. He tried to talk to him, calmly, then all he ended up saying was "you're a jerk"
ooooo, he said "jerk"!!!
please. Tom Cruise is one of the nicest men in Hollywood, I submit!

[dissention]

Wow, no one posted the best sections of the interview!

Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?

Lauer: The difference is —

Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No. I did not say that.

Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?

Cruise: No. No. Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

Cruise: No, no, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?

Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No. You absolutely can.

Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.

Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Geez! A little empathy? And, I would hardly call that "lashing out". It's like, barely lashing out.

Watch the video, he was going mental.

Originally Posted by amber

Even when that guy sprayed his face with water he was polite. He tried to talk to him, calmly, then all he ended up saying was "you're a jerk"
ooooo, he said "jerk"!!!
please. Tom Cruise is one of the nicest men in Hollywood, I submit!

No, he physically grabbed the guy.