Former guard testifies Jackson engaged in sex act with boy

[dissention]

Gimme a break, the guy doesn't have anywhere near $20 million. His disgusting family got and spent most of it. While he probably was molested by Jackson, it was a ploy on the part of his family to get some cash. And that they did. Sick bastards.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by amber

I wonder who molested him when he was 9-10?

I heard something about his father molesting him, I don't know if that's true though. I also heard that his father had sex with groupies in front of Michael when they were out on the road with The Jackson 5. Whether or not any of the sexual stuff is correct, it is a known fact that M.J.'s dad was physically and mentally abusive to his kids, and a real control freak to boot. He definitely had (and probably still has to some degree) mental control over Michael.

[wondergirl9847]

After hearing all of this, they have not proven to me he's done anything to this kid. I heard on the radio today that the latest witnesses (maid and some other person) sued Michael (and lost) for firing them and now they are saying he had sex with a child, etc. I don't buy it. Bitter much?

He's gonna be found not guilty, I'm 99.99999999(infinity)% sure.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

"Guaranteed"? Well, I guess the jury might as well just turn in the verdict now if credibility depends on Thomas Messareau's legal techniques.

Well, let's see. In general, high level attorneys are not complete idiots. I'm assuming that Messareau has said to MJ, "Look, I need to know- did you do any of the stuff that you are accused of?" I mean, defense attorneys have gotta know the score in order to build their case. If Jackson did molest all these kids and he's an idiot, which is entirely possible, then he may have said, "No, I'm completely innocent." Now, if MJ came clean and said yes or no truthfully and the he really is innocent, then Messareau is going to subpoena any involved in these shower claims and rip them to shreds. However, if MJ came clean and said, "Yeah I ****ed around with these boys", then Messareau is going to stay far, far, away from allowing anyone to give any more damaging testimony then they've already stated. This is just my take on it as a nobody.

Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I heard on the radio today that the latest witnesses (maid and some other person) sued Michael (and lost) for firing them and now they are saying he had sex with a child, etc. I don't buy it. Bitter much?

He's gonna be found not guilty, I'm 99.99999999(infinity)% sure.

My problem with it is than anyone with any sort of decency who witnessed that **** would have immediately reported it to the parents of the kid or the cops- regardless of money, employment, whatever.

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, let's see. In general, high level attorneys are not complete idiots. I'm assuming that Messareau has said to MJ, "Look, I need to know- did you do any of the stuff that you are accused of?" I mean, defense attorneys have gotta know the score in order to build their case. If Jackson did molest all these kids and he's an idiot, which is entirely possible, then he may have said, "No, I'm completely innocent." Now, if MJ came clean and said yes or no truthfully and the he really is innocent, then Messareau is going to subpoena any involved in these shower claims and rip them to shreds. However, if MJ came clean and said, "Yeah I ****ed around with these boys", then Messareau is going to stay far, far, away from allowing anyone to give any more damaging testimony then they've already stated. This is just my take on it as a nobody.

Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

I don't know - In a lot of these cases - people who are truly sick - they don't think they're necessarily doing anything wrong

MJ may seriously think that he's done absolutely nothing wrong- even if he has - he may believe that he hasn't....

It happens...and I MJ is obviously not well....he swears to the heavens he's had no plastic surgery done...HELLO!?! He may actually believe that...THAT is the sad and sick part....many times people's own lies become their truths...

[BTFLCHLD]

burnt toast

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by The Tower

My problem with it is than anyone with any sort of decency who witnessed that **** would have immediately reported it to the parents of the kid or the cops- regardless of money, employment, whatever.

My morning radio DJ said almost the same exact words you just posted. That is eerie and freaking me out. LOL

You're right, anyone with any inkling of moral fiber would have gone to the police to report this shiz happening. Also, how many people witnessed stuff going on and NOBODY, NOT ONE PERSON reported anything??? WTH?!

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

My morning radio DJ said almost the same exact words you just posted. That is eerie and freaking me out. LOL

You're right, anyone with any inkling of moral fiber would have gone to the police to report this shiz happening. Also, how many people witnessed stuff going on and NOBODY, NOT ONE PERSON reported anything??? WTH?!

And my boss said the same thing as well....

Basically you're supposed to be like....oh MJ is such a monster - but my first thought is...the damn guard allegedly see MJ giving a kid oral sex and DOES NOTHING!?! He's just as much a monster in my book

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by The Tower

...
Wednesday there was a whole pile of people boo-hooing and praising what a wonderful man Johnny Cochren was. All I could think was "Jeez, I'll bet ya anything O.J. told him 'yeah, I killed the bitch' and yet he still defended him and got him off." I know I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that I allowed someone to escape punishment for murdering his wife.

I also saw the footage of the not-guilty verdict replaid where Cochran embraced Simpson which made my stomach turn all over again. I nearly screamed when the verdict was read and I was at a restaurant. It is still just as horrifying today. I also heard Sharpton quoted as talking about how great the "you must acquit" crap was. Cochran died early of a guilty conscience, or these are the years he traded with the devil for that OJ verdict.

[SuzeQuze]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

And my boss said the same thing as well....

Basically you're supposed to be like....oh MJ is such a monster - but my first thought is...the damn guard allegedly see MJ giving a kid oral sex and DOES NOTHING!?! He's just as much a monster in my book

This is naive. People of strong moral fiber are few and far between these days. I hope I'm wrong about that.

That said, there is still no excuse for not reporting these heinous acts if they happened.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Cochran died early of a guilty conscience, or these are the years he traded with the devil for that OJ verdict.

so true. And what irks me further is that it seems like the press was trying to make some kind of beloved character out of him when he died. What a load of crap.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I don't know - In a lot of these cases - people who are truly sick - they don't think they're necessarily doing anything wrong

MJ may seriously think that he's done absolutely nothing wrong- even if he has - he may believe that he hasn't....

It happens...and I MJ is obviously not well....he swears to the heavens he's had no plastic surgery done...HELLO!?! He may actually believe that...THAT is the sad and sick part....many times people's own lies become their truths...

I completely & totally agree with you Dee. I think he's delusional.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

I also saw the footage of the not-guilty verdict replaid where Cochran embraced Simpson which made my stomach turn all over again. I nearly screamed when the verdict was read and I was at a restaurant. It is still just as horrifying today. I also heard Sharpton quoted as talking about how great the "you must acquit" crap was. Cochran died early of a guilty conscience, or these are the years he traded with the devil for that OJ verdict.

I just want to remind everyone of Cochran's work as a civil rights lawyer and his work on the Geronimo Pratt and Abner Louima cases.
That said, I think O.J. was guilty. But he had a right to a defense and that was Cochran's job.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I just want to remind everyone of Cochran's work as a civil rights lawyer and his work on the Geronimo Pratt and Abner Louima cases.
That said, I think O.J. was guilty. But he had a right to a defense and that was Cochran's job.

I agree with you. He did do some great things.

Yes, O.J. had a right to a defense, but Cochran wasn't forced to do it. He knew O.J. butchered his wife and he took money to get him off- he did it for the cash. Plain and simple. It's reality and it's sickening.

I can't imagine how awful it would be to be a public defense attorney- they HAVE to defend the accused who have confidentially admitted their guilt but still want to get off.