Capital Punishment

[estranged4life]

just had the easy "Go to sleep" execution in Terre Haute...Really tame compared to he suffering he caused by exploding a ammonia nitrate bomb that not only killed dozens instantly, But a few people suffered for several years before dying of their injuries...

I have thoughts of ways he should've died...None involve "putting him to sleep" like a sick pet not for the murder of the citizens of OKC & the trial that never really explained the reason why they had to die.

Brian j.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

just had the easy "Go to sleep" execution in Terre Haute...Really tame compared to he suffering he caused by exploding a ammonia nitrate bomb that not only killed dozens instantly, But a few people suffered for several years before dying of their injuries...

I have thoughts of ways he should've died...None involve "putting him to sleep" like a sick pet not for the murder of the citizens of OKC & the trial that never really explained the reason why they had to die.

Brian j.

BINGO!!!!!!

[estranged4life]

I have the perfect sentence for Osama, We take him to downtown NYC and just drop him off near "Ground Zero", But we forgot to tell ol' terror a-hole we called those nice & pleasant NYPD/NYFD folk and family members of loved ones of 9/11...We will be able to watch this on the lameass networks on their fall "Must Kill Thursday" lineup.

Hell, This could be the start of a great "Reality" franchise ala "Survivor"...Matter of fact, we can avoid another Janet "Boob" Jackson episode and just do this during halftime of the Super Bowl 40!!!

Man...My ideas for Network TV are just so family oriented & wholesome.



Brian j.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

firing squad and hanging are

Bring 'em back.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

SO WHAT!!! What they need to do is make the death penalty MORE Painful and SLOW, but for those who deserve it of course. I think they should use less of the Death Penalty and only when they are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT sure and the crime is suitable then OF COURSE I support the death penalty. I don;t see how you can't. I know Brian will agree with this, Timothy McViehg didn't deserve a quick and painless death. He deserved to be tortured for a month, and then have his eyes ripped out and his arms cut off and to be thrown into a sea of piranas, and kept alive so he wishes he'd die but you still keep him alive until maybe after a week you give him a lethal injection. And the Sniper from a few years ago and Osama Bin Laden and child molestors all deserve that same punishment. Capitol punishment shouldn't be banned, it should be made much more harsh then it is!

I am speaking from a pure legal standpoint, as in the prohibition in the Constitition of cruel and unusual punishment. My point was not to say that I agree with a lesser, more "sterile" form of punishment; it was to simply point out that maybe the idea of a deterrent and the prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" may not be able to co-exist.

If I take out my moral opposition to it, I would say that in order to be anything close to a deterrent, an execution should be able to be watched by the public.

[Hawkeye]

OH, Legal Sh*t . Yeah I guess my dreams of how the death penelaty should work conflict with the constitution and how our society works, but I don't care, frankly I've never been a fan of America's legal system in the slightest. If you didn't notice how vocal I was about the Tusk Survivor thing and how I protested how SodaScouts stuck so closely to the rules thats rooted in more then Tusk Survivor for sure. I hate how our legal system cares more about stupid little rules then common freaking sense. For example, if cops raid some guys house and find all this evidence maybe a video tape of him killing someone, it wouldn't count because they didn't get a warrent. Give Me a F***ing break. And lets take a stroll back to 1946 to the Nuremburg Trials. Now Those bastards are the at the top of my "should've been tortured" list. Why the hell did we need a 3 year trial to covict those f***ing Nazis. We should've thrown them all into ovens after starving them for a year the day after the war ended. And how long is it taking for MJ's trial to get underway. Didn't all his **** start 10 months ago. Our legal system is slow and pathetic, and back to the topic at hand, we need a more brutal death penalty for those who deserve it.

Man I've never ranted on this board for so long with somethign other then Fleetwood Mac

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

I used to be totally in support of it, but now I'm kind of on the fense...I'm now questioning my support on many things in life, so....My reasons for being FOR it : people like Osama Bin Laden, Timothy McVeigh, DC Snipers, etc... I have no mercy for them....and if say I had a little baby, and it was brutally murdered, do you think I would be opposed to the death penalty on that person, hell no!

The problem comes in, when people, as we all know, have been innocent and put to death...so that is disturbing... But people who commit horrible crimes, dont have any sympathy from me. The only other main problem I have with it , is it's not a real good punishment...They dont feel the effects of the punishment...I mean yeah you ended their life...but I would rather make them suffer.


Georgia just recently in the last 2 yrs or shorter switched to lethal injection, although we still use the electric chair for those who were sentenced when the electric chair was still used..

CHRIS

I missed this post earlier. You mentioned all the assholes I mentioned. And you're riight all the way. It should only be used in extreme cases where you're 100 percent sure they did it. And for like the 5th time already, I don't understand showing mercy to those getting the death penalty. Don't let the guy who cause thousands of people to suffer die painfully make sure he/she gets a nice lethal injection.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

OH, Legal Sh*t . Yeah I guess my dreams of how the death penelaty should work conflict with the constitution and how our society works, but I don't care, frankly I've never been a fan of America's legal system in the slightest. If you didn't notice how vocal I was about the Tusk Survivor thing and how I protested how SodaScouts stuck so closely to the rules thats rooted in more then Tusk Survivor for sure. I hate how our legal system cares more about stupid little rules then common freaking sense. For example, if cops raid some guys house and find all this evidence maybe a video tape of him killing someone, it wouldn't count because they didn't get a warrent. Give Me a F***ing break. And lets take a stroll back to 1946 to the Nuremburg Trials. Now Those bastards are the at the top of my "should've been tortured" list. Why the hell did we need a 3 year trial to covict those f***ing Nazis. We should've thrown them all into ovens after starving them for a year the day after the war ended. And how long is it taking for MJ's trial to get underway. Didn't all his **** start 10 months ago. Our legal system is slow and pathetic, and back to the topic at hand, we need a more brutal death penalty for those who deserve it.

Man I've never ranted on this board for so long with somethign other then Fleetwood Mac

OH, trust me . . . I am not a huge supporter of the way the system functions; I have to deal with it everyday and it leaves much to be desired. Especially with divorce, custody and abuse matters, which is the area that I practice in. It is really hard not to become cynical with all the bull sh*t that goes on. Unfortunately, the law is what we have to deal with and if it is lacking, then we need to deal with the legislatures and the jerks that are writing the law. If you want to talk about a slow process, look at how long it takes for a proposed law to work its way through the legislative process. That is, except for a bill raising their legislative salaries.

[thepoetinmyhear]

I was going to avoid this topic, but after reading through the posts there are a few things I would like say.

It seems many of the people responding to this thread are against the justice system as opposed to the death penalty. To say you are opposed to it because innocent people are sometimes killed is not saying you are opposed to the death penalty but rather the justice system that convicts innocent people. It is a mistake to confuse the two.

I was taught to be against the death penaly through years of religious schools and most of my fellow classmates were against the death penalty until it affected us personally. Honestly it is extremely hypocritical that our cerebral response is always to say killing is wrong, but when presented with visceral information most people respond that the murderer deserves it (see the example in this thread in which someone state that if their child was killed they would probably support the death penalty in that case). The problem is that everyone who is a murder victim is someone's child (every single one) and thus the parents or friends or other family usually support the death penalty and it has become a case of who are we to interfere in their wants.

In many cases life in prison is thought to be a better deterrent, someone on this board even mentioned that seemed like it would be worse than a quick death. The fact is, however, that there are certain personalities that would thrive in a prison atmosphere. People whose minds are built for that type of structure (there are several interesting case files on this type of societal structure and those that seem to actually benefit from it). So, essentially it seems that if guilt is certain, and that the victim's loved ones support the death penalty, and that the defendant is a person who would benefit (as in thrive, not redemption) from being in prison, then I do not feel I am in any position to oppose the death penalty.

Michael

[paleshadow]

Just out of curiousity, how many of those who have posted they are against the death penalty are in favor of abortion?

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

This is tricky. Part of me says bring it back (in the UK) but I would worry about miscarriages of justice. What would you say to the family of someone who turned out innocent but had already received the death sentence? Er sorry... we made a mistake? However my husband and I had a very lengthy conversation around the time of the Soham murders (2 young girls murdered by school caretaker). The conversation was about what would we do if that happened to us (heaven forbid). I know that I would want the murderer dead and my hubby said it would probably be at his own hands!

[tommer]

i must admit that i find it even hard to understand exactly how come that in the 21st century, capitol punishment is still an acceptable thing in democratic societies.
this whole discussion sounds just freaky to me, in my country it's not even something to debate about. capitol punishment is inhumane, primitive, and obviously doesn't stop crime in any way. fulfilling the revengeance desires of angry mobs is just not a part of the purposes of a modern liberal justice system.

[Mad4stevie]

Originally Posted by paleshadow

Just out of curiousity, how many of those who have posted they are against the death penalty are in favor of abortion?

This is a very good point. For me, as noted in previous posts, I think that any type of killing is immoral. That includes abortions. That is one thing that I never did understand on a fundamental level - why people want to save the lives of those on death row but want to have no restrictions on things like partial birth abortions.

After being trained in the law, I have learned to distinguish more clearly between something that is illegal and something that is immoral. Example: abortion in some form is legal under the constitution; but may be immoral under some people's ethical and moral standards. There seem to be many times that legality and morality can no co-exist.

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Mad4stevie

This is a very good point. For me, as noted in previous posts, I think that any type of killing is immoral. That includes abortions. That is one thing that I never did understand on a fundamental level - why people want to save the lives of those on death row but want to have no restrictions on things like partial birth abortions.

After being trained in the law, I have learned to distinguish more clearly between something that is illegal and something that is immoral. Example: abortion in some form is legal under the constitution; but may be immoral under some people's ethical and moral standards. There seem to be many times that legality and morality can no co-exist.

or in a different twist; women who can't have abortions, and can't take care of their kids, have them anyway, those unwanted and neglected boys grow up defectly, turn criminals and eventually ends up on death rows.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by paleshadow

Just out of curiousity, how many of those who have posted they are against the death penalty are in favor of abortion?

Me.

I am strongly opposed to the death penalty and find it the most vile practice in the judicial system. It's incredibly hypocritical and illogical. The governemnt promotes that murder is wrong, but it's okay when they do it. Gimme a f*cking break.

I strongly support a woman's right to have an abortion. To me, personally, I simply cannot equate murdering someone by lethal injection or electrical chair with aborting a baby that cannot be supported in life by the mother or father.