Mick Fleetwood Blames Nicks For Fleetwood Mac Tour Trouble - Page 16

HejiraNYC · #**226** 03-19-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jellyman10

Touche! So Lou isn't bulletproof. Excellent. Career-for-career, he's still ten times more genuinely radical than Lindsey Buckingham, which is my broad point, and I make it repeatedly as a counterweight to the piffle put forward by people who think that it's difficult or courageous to look edgy whilst standing next to Stevie Nicks.

Well, it's a stretch, but Lou and Stevie have technically worked together- he opened for Stevie at Woodstock in 1997.

He was "edgy" alright... that is, if "edgy" = "droning bore."

cliffdweller · #**227** 03-19-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chriskisn

The time has come to either bring in some new talent to Fleetwood Mac and personally I think two new young female singers who can really sing and look gorgeous too. Then Mick and John can do their thing and Lindsey can provide that link to the past. I'm sure that Lindsey would relish the opportunity provided by this and, hell, don't even call it Fleetwood Mac. Call it Buckingmac Fleet or something. Just do something new and get out there and create and play some new music.

I'm sure Lindsey would love to be a "link to the past."

Actually, he'd hate it and I'd venture to guess that the scenario you suggest above would go over like a lead balloon.

Lindsey is probably the most "over" FM than anyone else in the band. Why would he care about re-inventing it? As someone else pointed out, their days of re-inventing themselves with new band members are over. They're too old and it's too late in the day.

jellyman10 · #**228** 03-19-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

Well, it's a stretch, but Lou and Stevie have technically worked together- he opened for Stevie at Woodstock in 1997.

He was "edgy" alright... that is, if "edgy" = "droning bore."

I'm going to make one more no doubt futile effort to have my point understood and then I'm going to stop, no matter how entertaining the provocation.

Here are some facts:

I don't especially like Lou Reed, so you can say what you like about him.

You will not find anything in any of my posts about Lou Reed that praises his work, only the hypothesis he has historically been more willing to eschew what is commercially safe and lucrative than Lindsey Buckingham has. I chose Lou because he came to mind, is all.

This is all an argument of degree, not perfection.

As for being 'edgy', I said that about LB, not Lou Reed. You're an intelligent person, Hejira. You knew that.

jellyman10 · #**229** 03-19-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I think people are under the assumption that Dave Stewart is at home patiently waiting for Stevie to call.

Are they? They really shouldn't be.

jellyman10 · #**230** 03-19-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

They're too old and it's too late in the day.

Yeah, they should spike it.

chriskisn · #**231** 03-19-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I'm sure Lindsey would love to be a "link to the past."

Actually, he'd hate it and I'd venture to guess that the scenario you suggest above would go over like a lead balloon.

Lindsey is probably the most "over" FM than anyone else in the band. Why would he care about re-inventing it? As someone else pointed out, their days of re-inventing themselves with new band members are over. They're too old and it's too late in the day.

You are probably right to a degree. Lindsey might not want to be FM etc. However I don't think he'd necessarily be unhappy with doing something different with Mick and John and some new people, especially if it wasn't actually called Fleetwood Mac and especially if Lindsey was the main focus and made the majority of the decisions.

Despite the fact that some people think he'd not want to do it without Stevie, I think he'd jump at the chance if the right opportunity presented itself. Lindsey's biggest problem in the band and the most issues that he has had to face have been with Stevie.

The days of re-inventing themselves are never over. That is in their mind not the actual reality. Sure the name Fleetwood Mac might be old and dead but there are many artists who have been very popular until they are much older than the current members of Fleetwood Mac. Those guys can still play, they can still put on a show, and Lindsey is probably the most creative person to come out of the band since Peter Green. They just need to find the right vehicle to bring their message to the masses.

The Mick Fleetwood Blues Band almost got it right, especially when John was supposed to be there at the beginning. Now take out Rick, put in Lindsey and change the musical style to something else other than blues, and you could actually make a success of it.

Oh and I'm not suggesting that they are going to top the charts, or sell millions of albums, but a good solid fan base is already there and they could make a good solid income out of it if they made the effort.

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Oh and forgot to address the "link to the past" bit. I'm not suggesting anything other than his name can still bring in the fans, etc. You would pay to see Lindsey Buckingham because of who he is. You wouldn't pay to see Jenni Green (made up name) on her own, but you might if she was appearing with Lindsey.

cliffdweller · #**232** 03-19-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chriskisn

The days of re-inventing themselves are never over. That is in their mind not the actual reality. Sure the name Fleetwood Mac might be old and dead but there are many artists who have been very popular until they are much older than the current members of Fleetwood Mac.

Yeah, but I don't even think they're interested in doing this. Mick is whining about FM not touring because he's looking for some cash. Re-inventing themselves with new members would not allow him the payday he's looking for. Mick's not looking to expand artistically (he can do that with side projects) he's looking to expand his wallet and he knows he can't do that without some combination of Buckingham/Nicks.

David · #**233** 03-19-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1

In a way, once Stevie was there with the guys, she probably had more influence over the way her songs sounded on SYW than she did on any of the albums that preceded it, because Lindsey had a lot more incentive to heed her complaints in 2003 than he would have in the seventies or eighties.

Agreed. Based on what Lindsey has said in recent times, his reasons for wanting to continue working with Stevie are psychological rather than musical, which undoubtedly makes him much more accommodating to her.

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But working from the ground up would mean that Stevie's vocals would not be simply strapped onto Lindsey's finished songs. He'd write songs with her back up in mind and the arrangements would evolve organically with both of them knowing that the other would have a part on his/her song.

I'm not so sure this is a given. It's possible, but is it necessarily likely?

I also want to touch on the "outside producer" idea that band members and fans bring up. One of you guys posted a print interview recently in which Lindsey clarified what I've been saying: an outside producer wouldn't necessarily be someone who orchestrates the tracks. Lindsey doesn't intend to come into the studio, lay down his guitar & vocal tracks on command, and then go home, while someone else does all the painstaking track work (including mixing). That will never happen. So the outside producer won't prevent the musical disagreements between Stevie and Lindsey.

The producer would be there mainly to serve as a go-between: as the guy who keeps meetings on track, who keeps budgets on track, who keeps schedules on track, and who oversees business decisions. He's not going to tell Lindsey what sort of effects to put on Stevie's vocal. Lindsey is going to continue to flange or phase her lead vocal, which will in turn lead to the same fights we've seen in every previous decade.

jellyman10 · #**234** 03-19-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by David

The producer would be there mainly to serve as a go-between: as the guy who keeps meetings on track, who keeps budgets on track, who keeps schedules on track, and who oversees business decisions.

The only person who'd volunteer for that job is someone who's never even heard of Fleetwood Mac.

Actually, that might be the best idea I've ever had.

TrueFaith77 · #**235** 03-19-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I think people are under the assumption that Dave Stewart is at home patiently waiting for Stevie to call. The man is incredibly busy and he's got so many irons in the fire:

-Joss Stone
-Weapons of Mass Entertainment
-Another new solo album
-Ghost - The Musical (which may become a legitimate Broadway phenomenon)

At this point, it seems like even if FM was ready to record a new album, they would have to wait for Dave's schedule to open up.

I don't think it's over by any stretch. Surely there are hurt feelings at the moment, but they have certainly been through worse tribulations; they will get over it. Even the Rolling Stones are eyeing a 2013 50th anniversary tour with Bill Wyman on board. And Buddah knows there was some heavy sh** that went down after Keith slammed Mick in his book. Mick just needs to feel wanted for a change, and once Stevie gets off the road later this year, she will reach out to him. For some reason, I suspect it won't take much arm-twisting to get Mick to do a Fleetwood Mac tour.

It doesn't sound like he's the one who needs arm-twisting though.

michelej1 · #**236** 03-19-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by David

The producer would be there mainly to serve as a go-between: as the guy who keeps meetings on track, who keeps budgets on track, who keeps schedules on track, and who oversees business decisions. He's not going to tell Lindsey what sort of effects to put on Stevie's vocal. Lindsey is going to continue to flange or phase her lead vocal, which will in turn lead to the same fights we've seen in every previous decade.

Well, maybe not. Obviously, Lindsey is not going to let an outside producer shape, drastically change or walk all over his tracks, but perhaps when it comes to Stevie's he'll just take a step backwards to avoid friction. He wouldn't have done it in 1987 (if the threatened outside producers had ever actually come aboard), but maybe he'll do it now, to keep the peace. If her stuff winds up sounding unlayered and inconsistent, he'll just have a nice chuckle. He'll still have input when it comes to his vocals, but I don't think Lindsey's vocals on her songs were ever what annoyed Stevie anyway. She has no problem with his background vocal arrangements.

Michele