Don Henley/Stevie Nicks (Summer Tour) - Page 15

amber · #**211** 03-11-2005, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

What is this book called ? I must have it.

As far as Sheryl being an opportunist....I have heard enough stories to know she is smart about who she gets to know, who she works with, and in the past, maybe even who she has slept with. Who cares ? Who hasn't done it ?

The people who work with her alone attest to her talent. The list of musicians as well trained, multi-talented, and down to earth that she can be compared to is short indeed. I find her dealings with the press and her absolute whoring out of her relationship with Lance Armstrong to be suspect and devoid of self respect, but it's her career. And even though Stevie is an icon because she has been around for a hundred years, Sheryl has a truckload of Grammies, she is hot as hell, and is tremendously respected by people in the industry. She had at least as much to offer Stevie as vice versa. When they first worked together, Stevie could hardly get arrested. 1996. Hello ? Our girl was a joke at the time.

Thank you, yes. Nice post.

The Tower · #**212** 03-11-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Like I said, I like her collaborations with Stevie. I think she's a kick ass producer of Stevie's things and they do harmonize well. But on the other hand, there are things that annoy me about her. Let's just say that I kind of have a love/hate thing with Sheryl Crow.

Yeah, Sheryl kinda bugs me sometimes, too- in a love/hate way. I despise Tuesday Night Music Club and first impressions have a way of lingering around. The next two albums were great, but I still have the bad taste of the first item. And her gums on her upper teeth are way too exposed and that grosses me out....

I don't think her production on TISL was all that stellar- just straightforward AAA rock, nothing new. However, I do think she's a great musician and a great singer. I would probably be more impressed with her songwriting abilities if she actually sat down and wrote an entire album on her own without having to collaborate with other people. That's just me, though.

As to riding on Stevie's coattails, I don't really think that happened because Sheryl didn't need a ride and Stevie was wearing a jacket at the time so, I don't think there was much fabric for Sheryl to hang on to.

Johnny Stew · #**213** 03-11-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

Sheryl... had at least as much to offer Stevie as vice versa. When they first worked together, Stevie could hardly get arrested. 1996. Hello ? Our girl was a joke at the time.

Exactly.

That's the biggest flaw I've always seen in the "Sheryl was riding Stevie's coattails" argument.

When Stevie & Sheryl first met and dipped their toes into the waters of working together, Stevie was coming off of her lowest selling album and pretty much the lowest point in her career, in general.

Tom Petty might have gotten a song written about him for his words of encouragement, but, through her deeds, I think Sheryl is probably just as responsible for helping Stevie regain her confidence, and recapture the spark that had always driven her. If not moreso.

It wasn't a "riding coattails" thing -- it was a demonstration of mutual love, admiration and respect.

ontheEdgeof17 · #**214** 03-11-2005, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It wasn't a "riding coattails" thing -- it was a demonstration of mutual love, admiration and respect.

If asking someone to write their songs because they can't seem to have a hit anymore isn't riding on the coattails of another's fame, then I dunno what is?

Johnny Stew · #**215** 03-11-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

If asking someone to write their songs because they can't seem to have a hit anymore isn't riding on the coattails of another's fame, then I dunno what is?

I think that one would be more an example of riding on the coattails of someone's talent rather than their fame. But I see what you're getting at.

ShangriLaTroubl · #**216** 03-11-2005, 05:22 PM

I think the relationship between Stevie and Sheryl definetely helped Stevie. I don't know that Sheryl benefited out of it, except for friendship maybe gained some fans as well... MANY Sheryl fans bought TISL, if you would have posted on Sheryl's board when the album came out, long time Sheryl fans, some very young, who didn't know much about Stevie at ALL bought TISL just because Sheryl was on it--and were eventually turned on to Stevie... The same as many of us fans buy an album, IE CMON CMON because of Stevie's contributions...

Like Sheryl's contributions or not, I don't think there's any denying that it was a beneficial relationship. Not only was Stevie talking in interviews, like people normally do for promotion--Sheryl was mentioning Stevie in SOME way nearly in EVERY interview she gave...they always say, no promotion is bad promotion..

I think it was a win-win situation for Stevie. She aligned herself with a respectable artist, not some new pop chick..so I think it worked..and I agree that had Sheryl not been involved at all, TISL would not have done as well as it did. Of course we all know it was no blockbuster, but it had a nice debut and moderate success..

Chris

DrummerDeanna · #**217** 03-11-2005, 11:07 PM

I was a Sheryl Crow fan before I was a Stevie fan - she's been successful since her debut album

- so I agree that Stevie's the benefiary out of that relationship

But I don't really sit around analyzing their relationship...I'm a fan of both so I was thrilled when they started doing stuff together....I'm still a huge fan of both

amber · #**218** 03-11-2005, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

I was a Sheryl Crow fan before I was a Stevie fan - she's been successful since her debut album

- so I agree that Stevie's the benefiary out of that relationship

But I don't really sit around analyzing their relationship...I'm a fan of both so I was thrilled when they started doing stuff together....I'm still a huge fan of both

That is good.

I was thinking "oh, good, Stevie's got Sheryl in her corner helping to promote..."

cliffdweller · #**219** 03-12-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower

However, I do think she's a great musician and a great singer. I would probably be more impressed with her songwriting abilities if she actually sat down and wrote an entire album on her own without having to collaborate with other people. That's just me, though.

I agree completely.

And about leaving a bad taste...Sheryl did that for me when she claimed someone else's writing as her own (LLV) and not only that, but also claiming that it was autobiographical.

Sorry but that's poor form imo.

She also didn't give the TNMC players much credit for anything on that album and they are the ones who created it for her, the sound, the style, all the arrangements, everything. Ethics anyone?