Owen Wilson - drug overdose/suicide attempt

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

fyi: being the only person to defend a viewpoint is not necessarily a mistake....

Yeah, but if you stand out in the rain, you're going to get wet. Especially when your umbrella is so full of holes, it's effing scary

[Rickypt]

Mary, I will step back for one moment and then exit this thread. I think you are paranoid. No one ganged up on you. You expressed some bold opinions about depression and suicide right off the bat. You didn't ask questions or admit that you weren't sure. You did what you always do--you stated bold opinions.

What followed is people who actually know about this stuff based on our experience took time to correct you. I didn't do it to help you learn. I know from experience that you don't care about learning. I did it to correct the record for people who were reading the thread.

In return, you did a half-ass mea culpa about one comment you made, but continued to dig in your heels. You twice insulted me with your posts about how I had somehow "fooled" my family and friends when that wasn't the point of my story, nor was it the truth.

As for the poverty/depression thing, I actually thought you had valid points. But you got all caught up in Jaz's comment which was so obviously a joke. Please, you are known for posting the internet research articles. A little ribbing about that should be expected and you should be adult enough to have a laugh.

You then went on to make an insulting dig about people who have been in therapy, and even though Carrie has spent about 2 hours trying to get you to talk about it, you've done nothing but avoid and deny.

No one posted their story to get sympathy. We did it because we know that depression is completely misunderstood and we wanted to do the best we could to educate a bit.

Now we learn that none of this is really about the issue, but about your problem with "cliques." It would be much better if you would just address your problems directly instead of going the route you did in this thread. Just be direct. I don't like you--I think you are heartless and clueless. I don't need to pick some opposing side on an important issue like depression in order to make that point. Why don't you just do the same. People would probably respect you more.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

for the record: I didnt misunderstand anything... I know full well how Im regarded by those of you in the clique.

wait, who do you think is in the clique? anyone who disagrees with you? so you think liam, who made his points in a shockingly rational and even-handed manner for a person his age, has ulterior motives here?

[LiamMcConville]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

fine. I direct you to Jazzy's comments after page 4. previous to that, Jannie, Carrie, Suze and I actually WERE having an adult discussion. After that, Jazzy, Ryan (RickyPT), and various others...chose to take pot shots at me. Why? because I advocated an unpopular view. think about it.

I went back and read. Jazzy said something sarcastic, which you took to heart. This is the only thing Ryan said during those pages of banter between you and Jazzy:

Mary, please....you showed that you don't know **** about depression, some of us with actual experience tried to show you the truth gently, and now you're claiming to be some kind of revolutionary. Give me a ****ing break.

He had a right to be upset, that someone was trying to put a disorder that he survived in a "nutshell," without personally experiencing the disease. While he may have been a little rude, your outbursts are in no way substantiated by this comment.

His next comment was:

I used to like you, but now I think you just like to fight. You don't care about learning. The fact that you said you were "vindicated" when Carrie agreed with something you said showed what you are all about.

At the most, he was STRONGLY disagreeing with you. Until he saw that you took a cheap shot: "yeah, and all without the benefit of counseling~
unlike most of my detractors........"

If you hadn't said that, no one would've taken cheap shots at you. It is awful that you would ever say something about a treatment of a disease or disorder that actually worked for someone.

If you fought off cancer without chemo-therapy, does that mean people who did use it are lesser people? I think not.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

Yeah, but if you stand out in the rain, you're going to get wet. Especially when your umbrella is so full of holes, it's effing scary

I can stand out in the rain, with or without an umbrella. Im certainly NOT going to act like my feelings dont matter when everyone else is so busy saying THEIRS do. Sorry.

I havent said or done anything any worse than anyone else on this board. And, actually, Ive been a whole lot more circumspect.

[carrie721]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

And, actually, Ive been a whole lot more circumspect.

wow. that just shows how completely you lack any self awareness. to say that you have been more cautious with your words than the rest of us in this thread ... it blows my mind.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Ryan (RickyPT), and various others...chose to take pot shots at me. Why? because I advocated an unpopular view. think about it.

Okay, that's what I get for posting something calm before reading newer posts.

For ****'s sake, I posted about my own depression and suicidal thoughts in response to what you had to say. Those weren't pot shots. I didn't call you a hateful drunk, which you are, until you insulted people in therapy.

It is really not worth arguing with you because you never respond to what anyone actually says and immediately go into victim mode.

[buckymcnix]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

ok, granted, but at this point, Im not convinced that anything I've seen/written etc has been wrong. Im still waiting. I admit, I may have stepped on a few toes, but no one goes out of their way to apologise to me when they step on MY toes...

ryan quoted exactly what you said that was wrong and mean.
and in very big letters i must say.
stepping on toes is when you accidentally offend someone.
it seems quite clear you are aiming for people's hearts and it isn't by accident.

and you can't keep screaming "it's a clique, it's a clique" and "i am the victim here" and expect people to believe it. I am in no clique. there are people that i know better than others. there are some i communicate with beyond the ledge. but nobody i know, on the ledge or otherwise, can make me give up my opinion to be in on some group-think. I don't work that way and i feel most people on here don't work that way.
it is NOT just this perceived clique that are responding to you.
the temperature of this discussion went up because you became inflamatory.
own it.
it is yours.

[Rickypt]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

I went back and read. Jazzy said something sarcastic, which you took to heart. This is the only thing Ryan said during those pages of banter between you and Jazzy:

Mary, please....you showed that you don't know **** about depression, some of us with actual experience tried to show you the truth gently, and now you're claiming to be some kind of revolutionary. Give me a ****ing break.

He had a right to be upset, that someone was trying to put a disorder that he survived in a "nutshell," without personally experiencing the disease. While he may have been a little rude, your outbursts are in no way substantiated by this comment.

His next comment was:

I used to like you, but now I think you just like to fight. You don't care about learning. The fact that you said you were "vindicated" when Carrie agreed with something you said showed what you are all about.

At the most, he was STRONGLY disagreeing with you. Until he saw that you took a cheap shot: "yeah, and all without the benefit of counseling~
unlike most of my detractors........"

If you hadn't said that, no one would've taken cheap shots at you. It is awful that you would ever say something about a treatment of a disease or disorder that actually worked for someone.

If you fought off cancer without chemo-therapy, does that mean people who did use it are lesser people? I think not.

You are extremely impressive and your analysis is spot-on.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by Rickypt

Mary, I will step back for one moment and then exit this thread. I think you are paranoid. No one ganged up on you. You expressed some bold opinions about depression and suicide right off the bat. You didn't ask questions or admit that you weren't sure. You did what you always do--you stated bold opinions.

What followed is people who actually know about this stuff based on our experience took time to correct you. I didn't do it to help you learn. I know from experience that you don't care about learning. I did it to correct the record for people who were reading the thread.

In return, you did a half-ass mea culpa about one comment you made, but continued to dig in your heels. You twice insulted me with your posts about how I had somehow "fooled" my family and friends when that wasn't the point of my story, nor was it the truth.

As for the poverty/depression thing, I actually thought you had valid points. But you got all caught up in Jaz's comment which was so obviously a joke. Please, you are known for posting the internet research articles. A little ribbing about that should be expected and you should be adult enough to have a laugh.

You then went on to make an insulting dig about people who have been in therapy, and even though Carrie has spent about 2 hours trying to get you to talk about it, you've done nothing but avoid and deny.

No one posted their story to get sympathy. We did it because we know that depression is completely misunderstood and we wanted to do the best we could to educate a bit.

Now we learn that none of this is really about the issue, but about your problem with "cliques." It would be much better if you would just address your problems directly instead of going the route you did in this thread. Just be direct. I don't like you--I think you are heartless and clueless. I don't need to pick some opposing side on an important issue like depression in order to make that point. Why don't you just do the same. People would probably respect you more.

Oh MY GOD. I cant believe what I just read. You actually think you were "helping" people???? Whatever.

Liam, I like you too, but you are taking this too personal..I didnt attack you, and I dont know anything about you, but yet you are acting like I shot an arrow into your heart. Give me a break!

Ryan called me a "drunk" in several posts, all without any provocation. I didnt share any alcohol related stories (like other Ledgies in the past...in fact, alcohol consumption wasnt thot to be a problem until "now".....

Of course, I didnt realize he was so self righteous. Now I do. Pardon me.

[Sarah]

omfg.

google "reality".

[LiamMcConville]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

Oh MY GOD. I cant believe what I just read. You actually think you were "helping" people???? Whatever.

Liam, I like you too, but you are taking this too personal..I didnt attack you, and I dont know anything about you, but yet you are acting like I shot an arrow into your heart. Give me a break!

Ryan called me a "drunk" in several posts, all without any provocation. I didnt share any alcohol related stories (like other Ledgies in the past...in fact, alcohol consumption wasnt thot to be a problem until "now".....

Of course, I didnt realize he was so self righteous. Now I do. Pardon me.

Mary,

I'm asking you friend to friend. Please take a step back for a minute. Assess the best way out of this. Apologize for saying rude things, but still support your arguments? Or continue to say rude things, and dig your grave further? Its up to you.

No Mary. I went back and read this entire thread twice. He did NOT say ANYTHING inadvertently rude to you, until you said "yeah, and all without the benefit of counseling~
unlike most of my detractors........."

Please feel free to go back and check.

If Ryan is self righteous for supporting his views, you're also self righteous, and lets be honest, so am I, and everyone else who has stated their opinions/and or facts in this thread.

[bretonbanquet]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I can stand out in the rain, with or without an umbrella. Im certainly NOT going to act like my feelings dont matter when everyone else is so busy saying THEIRS do. Sorry.

I havent said or done anything any worse than anyone else on this board. And, actually, Ive been a whole lot more circumspect.

I didn't say you couldn't. And no need to apologise. To me.

On the second point, I must respectfully disagree, barring one person's deliberately forthright comments.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by LiamMcConville

Mary,

I'm asking you friend to friend. Please take a step back for a minute. Assess the best way out of this. Apologize for saying rude things, but still support your arguments? Or continue to say rude things, and dig your grave further? Its up to you.

No Mary. I went back and read this entire thread twice. He did NOT say ANYTHING inadvertently rude to you, until you said "yeah, and all without the benefit of counseling~
unlike most of my detractors........."

Please feel free to go back and check.

If Ryan is self righteous for supporting his views, you're also self righteous, and lets be honest, so am I, and everyone else who has stated their opinions/and or facts in this thread.

perhaps......I'll just leave it at that.

I can admit when I'm wrong but I dont see it here. Sorry. However, in the interests of harmony, I'll just let it go.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by bretonbanquet

I didn't say you couldn't. And no need to apologise. To me.

On the second point, I must respectfully disagree, barring one person's deliberately forthright comments.

Im not sure which person you're referring to, but Im not sure it really matters in the grand scheme of things..