Capital Punishment

[GateandGarden]

I can do nothing but smile and nod. (It's the thing I inevitably do when I totally agree with something and have nothing else to add to it).

Hillary

[amber]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I can do nothing but smile and nod. (It's the thing I inevitably do when I totally agree with something and have nothing else to add to it).

Hillary

me, too. except i also say "yarp"

[GypsySorcerer]

Originally Posted by amber

Actually, another good way is to have resources available to these people where the problem starts - when they're young. Education, the hope of a better life, school programs, food, counseling, well, a whole bunch of social programs. What! we can't spend money on that! we have to build more prisons for when they grow up!

Abolishing capital punishment would be a good way to start justice reform, just to bring this thread back full circle.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Abolishing capital punishment would be a good way to start justice reform, just to bring this thread back full circle.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Jeezus. Criminals are still human beings. None of us are perfect. I think the best way to avoid breeding crime is to not sink to their level. Nothing justifies cruelty. Life isn't one big contest to see who gets the best stuff- and there certainly isn't an etched in stone hierarchy as to who is better than whom.

Last time I checked I don't think the penalty for felonies was influenza infection and denial of the ability to possibly improve your life so that you increase the chances of you not commiting crimes.

On second thought, you're right- you can keep your precious tax dollars and the criminals will stay criminals and when they've served their sentence then they can be back on the street to rob you of those tax dollars. Isn't life grand?

Well, perhaps if you'd read my previous post before ripping me a new one, you'd gain some more insight on why I feel the way I do. I never said any of us were perfect but last I checked, no one here ran out and murdered someone (then again if you did, you just might have access to the internet).

Did I even mention treating any criminal harshly? because I don't think I did. And if you think my opinion on why criminals shouldn't be offered flu vaccine is harsh and cruel, you ought to check out how some criminals pay their time in other countries...and we're not talking for murdering anyone either...we're talking some petty crimes. Criminals here have it made. They truly do...especially considering the circumstances that got them there. Health is taken care of, education, food, shelter, clothing...you get to perform some manual labor and work everyday.

I wasn't responding to the initial question at hand on capital punishment, I was responding to all of the amenities criminals seem to be getting (and even Hillary said "I know some of the amenities are going too far (or at least I tend to think so).)" We're not running a hotel here, this is punishment for having done something that you shouldn't be doing...that you are educated to know you shouldn't be doing. I was, however, responding with capital punishment in mind thinking that the aforementioned criminals we were speaking of would not have an option for parole and would not be getting out at anytime. We're talking lifers here.

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Criminals here have it made. They truly do...especially considering the circumstances that got them there. Health is taken care of, education, food, shelter, clothing...you get to perform some manual labor and work everyday.

I don't have health, dental or vision insurance, the government didn't pay for my college years. Sure, they don't have 100% freedom as I do, but they shouldn't, if they committed a crime.

I think murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. should be in jail. People who embezzle money and do white collar crime should NOT. Jails are overcrowded as it is...let Martha out for Pete's sake....make her do community service and do good for the city.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by amber

Actually, another good way is to have resources available to these people where the problem starts - when they're young. Education, the hope of a better life, school programs, food, counseling, well, a whole bunch of social programs. What! we can't spend money on that! we have to build more prisons for when they grow up!

Wow. We agree.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer

Abolishing capital punishment would be a good way to start justice reform, just to bring this thread back full circle.

Wow. I agreee with that too.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

I don't have health, dental or vision insurance, the government didn't pay for my college years. Sure, they don't have 100% freedom as I do, but they shouldn't, if they committed a crime.

I think murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. should be in jail. People who embezzle money and do white collar crime should NOT. Jails are overcrowded as it is...let Martha out for Pete's sake....make her do community service and do good for the city.

Exactly.

[amber]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Wow. We agree.

We usually do.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by amber

We usually do.

Really? I wasn't sure.

[amber]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Really? I wasn't sure.

usually about political things..

[dissention]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Speaking for myself- you could start with my previous post containing that lovely scripture from Leviticus.

Or maybe the whole- "If you have not been saved by Jesus you're going to burn in hell for all eternity"- that stuff is pretty vile.

Or howsabout "love the sinner hate the sin" bull****, that's a hot one. "Don't take it personally dear, I don't hate you- I just hate who you are."

Or we could always take the whole deal about how there's no reason to get upset about Leviticus because that's not really part of the bible and you should only pay attention to the parts that I think are relevant because after all this was written by people that we can't even identify, much less corroborate, and things were so much different 4000 years ago and none of that stuff has relevance in today's modern life- but did I mention that the bible says that as a homosexual you're a sinner and you're going to burn in hell and that it says Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!

Yeah, you're right. Where was my head- how could I have ever thought of christianity as vile??? Stupid me.

Love ya, darling.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by tommer

(and i was thinking "omg, religion's been going hand in hand with violence and hatred for centuries, and still they need explenations!")

Exactly. Christianity is the source of most major conflicts in history and continues to be used to promote violence, bigotry, and intolerance.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I think a line Kyle had in one epsidode of South Park best describes how I feel about Christianity. He said, "If all the non-christians are wrong then they will burn in hell forever. But if the Christians were wrong and their religion was a load of crap then well nothing happens," So while I agree that the bible and christianity can be very very cruel and God himself the way he is in the bible can be outright mean, BUT I like to think of it as an insurance policy, and just WHAT IF. I mean do you REALIZE how LONG eternity is. If there's even a slim chance the bible is right, I'm going to freaking call myself christian and believe jesus died for my sins and all that stuff.

I mean all ypou atheists are taking a BIG gamble.

Yes, us Atheists will just burn in hell after the Apocalypse comes and decimates everyone who is not a follower of Christianity.

How dare I not believe such preposterous and ridiculous things contained within that religion. Let me repent by renting "The Passion of the Christ."