Don Henley/Stevie Nicks (Summer Tour)

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

I never thought of that album in quite that way, actually, but I think you're right. For me, though, while I still like it, it's missing a lot of magic and it's way too poppy and fluffy for me. The self-titled one and The Globe Sessions were very dark albums, and C'mon C'mon is just pop with no real message or point.

I agree completely. It's like she was scared to go back to that dark place, but I hear she struggles with depression so maybe that's why. Weather Channel comes to mind...

I just pray that her new album isn't chock full of saccharine lovey-dovey material like her Don Henley duet on C'mon C'mon. Or I will positively die.

this is what I'm afraid of if she puts out a "Lance inspired" album. Blech!

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

That one is supposedly about one of her ex boyfriends who committed suicide. "I don't blame you for quitting, I know you really tried..." and "There's beauty in release, there's no one left to please..."are really simple and poignant, IMO.

Really? I heard it was about her ex Owen Wilson! One of her old boyfriends did commit suicide though...it was one of the Tuesday Night Music Club players.

[cliffdweller]

Getting back on topic, is this Nicks/Henley tour REALLY happening or is it still in the rumors stage? Has anyone seen any dates or ticket sales yet? I've been trying to keep up with this thread but I may have missed this info.

Thanks!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Really? I heard it was about her ex Owen Wilson! One of her old boyfriends did commit suicide though...it was one of the Tuesday Night Music Club players.

Didn't the guy who wrote the book Leaving Las Vegas kill himself over a spat he had with her over getting credit for the song?

[skcin]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

Getting back on topic, is this Nicks/Henley tour REALLY happening or is it still in the rumors stage? Has anyone seen any dates or ticket sales yet? I've been trying to keep up with this thread but I may have missed this info.

Thanks!

Still a rumour, as far as I know anyway.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by sparky

Her version of It's Only Love cracks my heart open and smashes it. The strings are beautiful.
Also, the B side Chances Are is spectacular. That should be in the place of that hideous Don Henley duet - which I have listened to a total of once. It is an atrocity in an otherwise stellar catalogue.

Her voice *soars* on It's Only Love. The last minute of it, jeezum crow. My brain turns to mush and I get goosepimply all over.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

Didn't the guy who wrote the book Leaving Las Vegas kill himself over a spat he had with her over getting credit for the song?

That guy did kill himself but it wasn't because of Sheryl. He was a raging alcoholic and I think he was also manic depressive. The impression I got from No Fool to This Game (a Sheryl bio) is that the guy probably would have killed himself anyway due to his alcoholism and depression. I think the media tried to link it to Sheryl for sensationalistic reasons. I'm sure it didn't help matters when she didn't credit him on the album.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

That guy did kill himself but it wasn't because of Sheryl. He was a raging alcoholic and I think he was also manic depressive. The impression I got from No Fool to This Game (a Sheryl bio) is that the guy probably would have killed himself anyway. I think the media tried to link it to Sheryl for sensationalistic reasons.

Ah, I see.

I didn't think that book was particularly flattering to her, though. Made her sound like one ruthless bitch.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by dissention

Ah, I see.

I didn't think that book was particularly flattering to her, though. Made her sound like one ruthless bitch.

I think it definitely made her look like an opportunist. She made a lot of connections in the business early on and clawed her way to the top thereafter. I think she probably used some people and stepped on a few backs to get there. When I heard that she went on a late night talk show and claimed that Leaving Las Vegas was autobiographical I couldn't believe it. Actually, after I found out that only a few of the songs on TNMC were autobiographical it lowered my estimation of her. You can make up a story and sing about it, whatever. But when you sing something with conviction and try to present it to the world like it's a page out of your own life and then later say it was made up, then it feels like, as a fan, you've been deceived. It's disingenuous, and it tainted my view of Sheryl from then on. I still like her music, I like her voice, but I question her motives in the music biz sometimes. I question her authenticity as a musician.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by cliffdweller

I think it definitely made her look like an opportunist. She made a lot of connections in the business early on and clawed her way to the top thereafter. I think she probably used some people and stepped on a few backs to get there. When I heard that she went on a late night talk show and claimed that Leaving Las Vegas was autobiographical I couldn't believe it. Actually, after I found out that only a few of the songs on TNMC were autobiographical it lowered my estimation of her. You can make up a story and sing about it, whatever. But when you sing something with conviction and try to present it to the world like it's a page out of your own life and then later say it was made up, then it feels like, as a fan, you've been deceived. It's disingenuous, and it tainted my view of Sheryl from then on. I still like her music, I like her voice, but I question her motives in the music biz sometimes. I question her authenticity as a musician.

Personally, I don't consider TNMC a Sheryl Crow album because it isn't. She was simply a part of a band at that time. I think she has incredible talent, but I do find her disingenuous, like you said. She's more of a celebrity these days, too. I mean, playing in the backyard at the Big Brother house? Doing concerts on airplanes for American Airlines? Ugh. But at the same time, we had Stevie telling us for years and years that her stage persona was her and she dressed like that offstage and so on, but then she told In Style a couple of years ago that it was pretty much BS.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by dissention

Her voice *soars* on It's Only Love. The last minute of it, jeezum crow. My brain turns to mush and I get goosepimply all over.

Well, if we're gonna gush about Miz Crow then my choice would be-

"I crossed the canyon a thousand times...
But never noticed what was mine
What you'll remember of me tonight-
Well, it almost makes me cry
Yeah, it almost makes me cry!!"

That sucker is spine-tingling for me. Yeah- her eponymous album and The Globe Sessions are excellent albums.

However, all her other "celebrity" crap leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And I despise Tuesday Night Music Club. She just shrieks and shrieks and shrieks.... "Run, Baby, Run" is chinese water torture.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

. . . But at the same time, we had Stevie telling us for years and years that her stage persona was her and she dressed like that offstage and so on, but then she told In Style a couple of years ago that it was pretty much BS.

Well, in most photos of her offstage, she is in some flowing outfit - granted it is not the "black dress" but it is similar AND in more than one interview where she said that, the reporter noted that she was in some Stevie esq. garb.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Well, if we're gonna gush about Miz Crow then my choice would be-

"I crossed the canyon a thousand times...
But never noticed what was mine
What you'll remember of me tonight-
Well, it almost makes me cry
Yeah, it almost makes me cry!!"

That sucker is spine-tingling for me. Yeah- her eponymous album and The Globe Sessions are excellent albums.

However, all her other "celebrity" crap leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And I despise Tuesday Night Music Club. She just shrieks and shrieks and shrieks.... "Run, Baby, Run" is chinese water torture.

I like that one as well

I LOVED the song "C'Mon C'Mon" :

C'mon, c'mon
C'mon, c'mon c'mon
You lay down with angels
To feel yourself again
You¹ve got everything you need
Under your thick skin
I know where you're going
I know where you've been
When it comes to playin' games
You will always win o

CHORUS:
C'mon, c'mon c'mon
Break my heart again
For old times sake
C'mon, c'mon c'mon
Break my heart again
For old times sake o
You can't see your shadow
Reaching for the sky
Lay your head down on my bed
Please don't ask me why
Why am I leaving
Why don't I know
Something deep inside me
Is forcing me to go
You say you need me
But you can't tell me no
When I ask you to stop me baby
You just let me go

CHORUS

You took the best of me
And threw it away
Too bad the rest of me
Still wants you to stay
Want you to stay
You say you need me
But you can't tell me no
When I ask you to stop me baby
You just let me go
You just let me go
_____________________________________________

Perhaps because I have lived it from both sides Ohhh where are those angels

All in all, I am not a huge fan, but I think she is a formidable talent and a nice person. I think she, like everyone else, fought to get where she is and that left a bad taste in peoples' mouths.

My $0.02

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I like that one as well

I LOVED the song "C'Mon C'Mon" :

I didn't care for that one, I thought it was very cheesy. The opening line "You lay down with angels to feel yourself again" is so lame. Stevie sounded good on it, though. I like Sheryl when she writes her "stream-of-consciousness" songs like You're An Original and A Change. My favorites will always be Redemption Day, Member's Only, and Riverwide (that one is haunting). Doesn't get better than that for me!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Didn't the guy who wrote the book Leaving Las Vegas kill himself over a spat he had with her over getting credit for the song?

I never heard that part.