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Old 07-05-2011, 07:24 PM
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Can we at least give her the death penalty for wasting everyone's time for so many months?
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:27 PM
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Can we at least give her the death penalty for wasting everyone's time for so many months?
Oh, if she got the death penalty she'd waste everyone's time for a few more years (decades?) in our seemingly endless appeal process.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:28 PM
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Along those same lines, I can't help but wish that these highly publicized cases would inspire broader interest in law and the justice system.
Unfortunately, horrifying crimes are committed every day, and only a select few capture the zeitgeist and horrify America: Caylee Anthony, Laci Peterson, and Natalee Holloway (notably, all of whom are white and photogenic). Thousands of similar crimes and subsequent trials go unnoticed.
I'm not trying to minimize the tragedy of Caylee's death, but I see so many comments and tweets along the lines of, "WHITE TRASH HO! SOMEONE SHOULD KILL HER!"
To me, that's unproductive. Justice for Caylee (and other children) might include re-thinking the death penalty or forming new strategies to protect children from unstable parents.
I wonder if Casey weren't white if she would have been found not guilty.

I'm opposed to the death penalty as well, and Ed and Grace make strong points above. I do believe that the lack of physical evidence influenced the jury.

A very sad day, though. Caylee has been failed by her mother, her grandparents, and now the justice system.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:29 PM
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Caylee died accidentally in a swimming pool, the defense maintained.

Were adults present? An "accident" doesn't necessarily absolve a person of lesser charges of recklessness, neglect, or endangerment --- given that a 2-year-old in a swimming pool was involved.

Grandpa denies that he tampered with a corpse ... but that's definitely a crime, too.
They never really maintained anything. They just threw a bunch of crap and hoped that something stuck.
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Old 07-05-2011, 08:22 PM
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But In both cases, two murderers were free to walk
No, Karma's a B*tch and OJ got his and his ass is in jail.

She'll get hers one of these days!
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Old 07-05-2011, 09:21 PM
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I along with many was shocked today when they read the verdict live. In the tiniest chance she didn't do it, I am happy a life was saved. And you have to respect a jury's decision and the process I guess. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if this jury had already made up their minds about her the first few days of trial.
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Old 07-05-2011, 10:47 PM
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By the way, I carry garbage in the trunk of my car all the time- when I go away on the weekend. Trust me, it does smell like death after a couple of days.
For the love of god, get the junk out of your trunk! Are you one of those crazy people who uses their car as a mobile trash collection can?
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:53 AM
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I understand why the jury made the decision they did, doesn't mean I am happy about it. And just because she was found not guilty does not make her innocent of the crime. If she was responsible she will have to answer to God one day.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:55 AM
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I understand why the jury made the decision they do, doesn't mean I am happy about it. And just because she was found not guilty does not make her innocent of the crime. If she was responsible she will have to answer to God one day.
Well said. Unfortunately, they had very little physical evidence (and what they did have was pretty circumstantial) & no witnesses to the crime. Sad.
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:08 PM
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Okay, Dr Drew got me sucked into this trial against my better judgement. I watched his show every night which, as soon as the trial began, was taken over by the trial. So here is my book on this subject!

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Well, this is what happens when the death penalty is legal in a state. The jurors probably felt uncomfortable sending a woman to her death unless there was something, anything concrete that was irrefutably damning. But unfortunately this case was a $h*tshow of epic proportions- full of lies, speculation, sketchy circumstantial evidence and conflicting stories. Without any hard proof, it was pretty much impossible to be 100% certain one way or the other. And unfortunately death is a 100% permanent sentence.

By the way, I carry garbage in the trunk of my car all the time- when I go away on the weekend. Trust me, it does smell like death after a couple of days.
Have you smelled death? They could have convicted her of the lesser charge of manslaughter.

I think the death penalty should be abolished as well as cameras in courtrooms. I believe they both make it more difficult to get a conviction in a circumstantial case. Nobody wants to be wrong with the whole world watching or if the punishment is completely final and irreversible. You can never be 100% sure. The law is reasonable doubt, which means if you have a doubt then you think it through applying reason. If the evidence makes sense upon reasoning it out then you can confidently convict on it.

I served on a jury and everyone was ready to let this guy go and so that they could go home. The jury didn’t want to think, they had some doubt and wanted to say not-guilty based on that. Only myself and 1 or 2 other jurors were actually motivated to have reasonable doubt defined for us and then go through the evidence meticulously. It was just an OUI case but I didn’t think letting the guy off without really looking at things would do anyone any favors in the long run. It was hard though, the court made me the speaker and so I had to deliver the guilty verdict. That was scary. I can’t imagine delivering that on camera, even if only via audio. I might have even have let him off! Casey, no, I wouldn’t have let her off.

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the jury slapped baby caylee in the face by this verdict~ it's a travesty of justice & it makes me literally ill~
Me too, my stomach turns every time I see Casey or Caylee’s face. The former out of sheer disgust, the latter out of grief.

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Nailed it. I am vehemently opposed to the death penalty--it's barbaric, expensive, inefficient, and often racist. And as we've seen in this case, it changes the jury's interpretation of reasonable doubt.
I also oppose the death penalty for these reasons and more as well. Casey may have been convicted if she weren’t an attractive, middle-class, white woman.

Where is strandinthewind when we need him?

I’d like to hear from the jury. So far they’re not talking. An alternate did talk. He agrees with the verdict. He said it was probably an accident that snowballed (there was no evidence of this). He found George Anthony not credible and I think dismissed a lot of his testimony. I think Baez's opening statement colored his view. That actually worked. He didn’t believe Caylee’s remains were ever in the trunk and dismissed the evidence presented supporting that theory. He seemed to blame the whole family for what happened. “I think that’s how they buried Caylee”. I don’t know how he can say that and believe she should have been found not guilty.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...nate.juror.hln.

We really need to teach critical thinking in our schools.

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I guess the moral of the story is if you kill your child, hide the body until it rots a little, so no one can find a cause of death and then go out partying. Accuse someone in your past of molesting you to get sympathy but don't even try to back up the allegation. Lie to police and be a woman. Then you can get off scott free. If that was a man, he would of already been hung. Makes me sick to my stomach. She killed that little girl and put her parents through hell. I hope she rots in hell.
Seriously, defense lawyers write this formula down. The jury let the defense evoke their sympathy for Casey. Example of jury sending a man to death row on circumstantial evidence; Scott Peterson. Who ironically did not get off scot-free. I agree that if she were a man she probably would have been convicted.

Somehow Baez got the jury’s buy-in that Casey was the victim. Even if she was molested, 1 in 4 women are molested, and they don’t kill their children. Caylee is the only victim here and there is only one person responsible for her murder. I believe Casey is a sociopath, she won’t stop behaving egregiously, and karma will get her as Heartboy said.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:07 PM
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idk if casey was the last one to see caylee alive, and has claimed caylee's death was an accident, one would think she would just finally come out to state what happened. or is that so out of the question?

The statement issued afterwards "While the family may never know what has happened to Caylee Marie Anthony, they now have closure for this chapter of their life. They will now begin the long process of rebuilding their lives. Despite the baseless defense chosen by Casey Anthony, the family believes that the Jury made a fair decision based on the evidence presented, the testimony presented, the scientific information presented and the rules that were given to them by the Honorable Judge Perry to guide them........"

The defense over and over stated that Caylee's death was by accidental drowning, and stated the grandfather brought the child to Casey afterwards, and then there was some sort of coverup. This must not be the case, as the statement impies they don't know what happened.

This is all very sick. Someone needs to be held accountable for that child's death.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:24 PM
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Somehow Baez got the jury’s buy-in that Casey was the victim. .
He had to have been a genius to do this! I did not follow this case the way I have followed others in the past (please don't get me started on JonBenet Ramsey), but I have caught coverage here and there and have found Casey Anthony to be completely UNlikeable, UNbelievable, etc etc. I just can't believe she got nothing. Nothing!

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Even if she was molested, 1 in 4 women are molested, and they don’t kill their children. Caylee is the only victim here and there is only one person responsible for her murder. I believe Casey is a sociopath, she won’t stop behaving egregiously, and karma will get her as Heartboy said.
I don't find it hard to accept that her father may have molested her. But you're 100% right in that it doesn't give her an "excuse" to cover up her child's death (or cause it- whatever actually did happen)! And actually, the "one out of four" statistic covers reported sexual abuse. Think about all of the unreported abuse going on in this world. We'd all be baby killers.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:26 PM
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I believe Casey is a sociopath, she won’t stop behaving egregiously, and karma will get her as Heartboy said.
Me too.
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Old 07-06-2011, 01:43 PM
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He had to have been a genius to do this! I did not follow this case the way I have followed others in the past (please don't get me started on JonBenet Ramsey), but I have caught coverage here and there and have found Casey Anthony to be completely UNlikeable, UNbelievable, etc etc. I just can't believe she got nothing. Nothing!



I don't find it hard to accept that her father may have molested her. But you're 100% right in that it doesn't give her an "excuse" to cover up her child's death (or cause it- whatever actually did happen)! And actually, the "one out of four" statistic covers reported sexual abuse. Think about all of the unreported abuse going on in this world. We'd all be baby killers.
I don't understand why anyone would believe that her father molested her. Casey has told one lie after another and she even bragged that she could lie her way out of anything. The defense threw that out there and didn't even try to back it up. Smoke and Mirrors. Anything to take the emphasis off Casey.
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I don't understand why anyone would believe that her father molested her. Casey has told one lie after another and she even bragged that she could lie her way out of anything. The defense threw that out there and didn't even try to back it up. Smoke and Mirrors. Anything to take the emphasis off Casey.
I'm not saying I believe her; I'm saying that I wouldn't be surprised if there actually was sexual abuse in that family. I have nothing to back that up, so that's why I don't state it as a fact. The whole family is whacked, plain and simple.
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