Re: The "Septenber" Release Date

[Fannymac]

Has it ever been confirmed if this is when the label is putting out SWS, or, if he doesn't have a label deal in place by then, that's when LB will be releasing it himself?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Fannymac

Has it ever been confirmed if this is when the label is putting out SWS, or, if he doesn't have a label deal in place by then, that's when LB will be releasing it himself?

We don't have any real confirmation, just continued reports that it's coming out in September.

[Spikey]

September? Please. When have Lindsey's albums ever come out when he says or intends.
More likely something along these lines will happen:

"Seeds We Sow" is a tentative title for what will become a new Mac album in 2012, with some other name. Lindsey will produce it and it will be a minor hit record, trending on Billboard briefly but ultimately selling low with no hit singles and viewed overall as a commercial disappointment, not dissimilar to Tusk. There'll be a brief world tour, mostly focusing on the 70's era FM, Lindsey and Stevie will clash, and they won't make another record.

Oh, sorry, that was 'Say You Will', not Lindsey's new album.

Who knows what'll actually happen with this one, really. Hopefully it's not the genesis of another FM record, like has happened so many times before, I'd rather he gets his weird creative stuff on his own album and go more mainstream with the Mac. Stevie has already done this with her album.

[mylittledemon]

I actually hope this isnt a repeat of SYW, as much as I want a new Mac album.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Spikey

September? Please. When have Lindsey's albums ever come out when he says or intends.
More likely something along these lines will happen:

"Seeds We Sow" is a tentative title for what will become a new Mac album in 2012, with some other name. Lindsey will produce it and it will be a minor hit record, trending on Billboard briefly but ultimately selling low with no hit singles and viewed overall as a commercial disappointment, not dissimilar to Tusk. There'll be a brief world tour, mostly focusing on the 70's era FM, Lindsey and Stevie will clash, and they won't make another record.

Oh, sorry, that was 'Say You Will', not Lindsey's new album.

Who knows what'll actually happen with this one, really. Hopefully it's not the genesis of another FM record, like has happened so many times before, I'd rather he gets his weird creative stuff on his own album and go more mainstream with the Mac. Stevie has already done this with her album.

this is the exact scenario that would happen if LB is still with WB. but i am hoping that all this talk about him taking things in his own hands is not just empty talk, and that it will really happen.

I really don't get why people are still hoping he will work something out with WB (i'm looking at you CADreaming), when it seems that all WBs did for his solo carrier in the last 15 years is held it back.

LB did say at the 4/22 concert that the album will come out in september, one way or the other, followed by the tour. considering that we already have one legitimate tour date in september, i'm choosing to belive that means album is definitely coming out in september (or few days after that boston date, if it's the first one of the tour - might be some dates before that too, right?).

[WelshWitchPMD]

Maybe it will be out in August. Baahaa!

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

this is the exact scenario that would happen if LB is still with WB. but i am hoping that all this talk about him taking things in his own hands is not just empty talk, and that it will really happen.

I really don't get why people are still hoping he will work something out with WB (i'm looking at you CADreaming), when it seems that all WBs did for his solo carrier in the last 15 years is held it back.

LB did say at the 4/22 concert that the album will come out in september, one way or the other, followed by the tour. considering that we already have one legitimate tour date in september, i'm choosing to belive that means album is definitely coming out in september (or few days after that boston date, if it's the first one of the tour - might be some dates before that too, right?).

Ha! Well, the reason I say WB is because that's been the label home for the Mac forever. It's not that I think WB is the best avenue for his solo work, it's just that it is a large label and I probably think it's maybe easier to work something out with them. But, with all the changes maybe not. Maybe they don't have multiple deals like I think. Maybe it is a one-shot thing and they have to renegotiate all the time. I also wonder if he could use the Mac situation as a bargaining chip with WB - "well, you want a new Mac album you gotta do something with my solo one first .... "

[elle]

but why would he want that?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

but why would he want that?

Because he could use it as a "vehicle". I don't think he has any grand illusions at this point of having a major solo career. I mean, I don't think that. I think he's content to work it as he does. FM is what people know and draws attention to him for his solo stuff. It's a bigger platform than he could ever build up on his own at this point, in my opinion. I mean, maybe he would be open to doing the alt gigs / festivals / independent route. I don't see it, but he could surprise me. Also, he could have better leverage with WB after two solo albums, a Mac tour, a Mac Glee, the SNL thing. He could - or Azoff could bargain for better promotion...

[elle]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Because he could use it as a "vehicle". I don't think he has any grand illusions at this point of having a major solo career. I mean, I don't think that. I think he's content to work it as he does. FM is what people know and draws attention to him for his solo stuff. It's a bigger platform than he could ever build up on his own at this point, in my opinion. I mean, maybe he would be open to doing the alt gigs / festivals / independent route. I don't see it, but he could surprise me. Also, he could have better leverage with WB after two solo albums, a Mac tour, a Mac Glee, the SNL thing. He could - or Azoff could bargain for better promotion...

but didn't he have some leverage in 1998 after the dance and with all that great GOS stuff? and WB still held it...

all i see WB was doing for him is holding him back. i really don't get why he'd wanna go back today especially at this day and age when WB is in turmoil and a perfect example of a label dinosaur?

but then again, i really don't know much / anything about music business other then what i read here and there...

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

but didn't he have some leverage in 1998 after the dance and with all that great GOS stuff? and WB still held it...

all i see WB was doing for him is holding him back. i really don't get why he'd wanna go back today especially at this day and age when WB is in turmoil and a perfect example of a label dinosaur?

but then again, i really don't know much / anything about music business other then what i read here and there...

I think it's sort of a trade-off with the big labels as to what you can get and what you have to sacrifice. I guess I'm old school, I would think there are still things a large label can offer that an independent can't. But, things have changed a lot.

The timing on GOS was obviously off due to all the politics/transition in WB at the time. But, why didn't LB go to another label with it then? I'm sure someone would have wanted to capitalize on his new found notoriety. And, why didn't he release it before UTS since it had been sitting on a shelf for so long? I'm not sure WB is totally to blame for all that.

So, we'll see what happens.

[elle]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

The timing on GOS was obviously off due to all the politics/transition in WB at the time. But, why didn't LB go to another label with it then? I'm sure someone would have wanted to capitalize on his new found notoriety. And, why didn't he release it before UTS since it had been sitting on a shelf for so long? I'm not sure WB is totally to blame for all that. .

i can see that point. i think WB held it back / wanted stuff he was not willing to give into. and he still wanted big promotion/sales as a solo act too. therefore cast away dreams (i know, i know, nobody but me seems to think that's about carrier... ) - and he was liberated

now he seems to feel he can finally do it has way. so why go back to WB and have these amazing songs held up once again to roll them into mac album?

(guess i should hold back my optimism, that weird thing w/ boston date may not be a good sign? or that kind of thing happens a lot w/ ticketmaster?)

[Spikey]

I was being stupid, but you know what they say, "those who don't learn from history..".

Lindsey should man up and walk the walk. He keeps talking about walking from the label. Just do it, people will buy the record. Stevie Nicks just proved that. It won't be #6 on Billboard but Lindsey isn't trying to make a hit record.

Do it, enjoy it, tour, sell some copies, maybe have a minor hit single (I'm hoping "End of Time" or "The Way Love Goes"), get rave reviews whatever sales end up being, and come back with Stevie, Mick and John and make an album, tour, or both.

At the end of the day his destiny's in his hands. He just needs to do it and move forward with this part of his career. Stevie's done it (still with WB but it's gone OK, but Lindsey needs out). Otherwise, I won't be crying in my beer when it's a non-event or gets folded into some bogus 2012 FM album. I will be upset with my hero.

As for the Boston date, that's just plain weird. 9/25 is a good sign though. Makes me think I need to save moolah for October. Good thing my bday is in Sep!

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

i can see that point. i think WB held it back / wanted stuff he was not willing to give into. and he still wanted big promotion/sales as a solo act too. therefore cast away dreams (i know, i know, nobody but me seems to think that's about carrier... ) - and he was liberated

now he seems to feel he can finally do it has way. so why go back to WB and have these amazing songs held up once again to roll them into mac album?

(guess i should hold back my optimism, that weird thing w/ boston date may not be a good sign? or that kind of thing happens a lot w/ ticketmaster?)

I don't believe all his stuff is unmercifully "rolled over" into the Mac albums and it's interesting to note that Stevie did say she wished he had saved the material for the Mac. But, to me it would be bizarre if Seeds We Sow ended up as a Mac album since he's already performed it solo.

"Now" he can do it his way? Oh, I think he always did it his way, really. Again, you go to a big label for what they can offer you monetarily, distribution-wise, etc. Although, like I said all that may be totally different now and not as important as it once was. I would think LB and his generation may have a hard time letting go of some of the old school way of thinking. Like my parents still don't get you don't necessarily stay with a company 35-40 yrs with a nice pension anymore...

Not sure what happened with the Ticketmaster thing.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Spikey

Lindsey should man up and walk the walk. He keeps talking about walking from the label. Just do it, people will buy the record.
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Do it, enjoy it, tour, sell some copies, maybe have a minor hit single (I'm hoping "End of Time" or "The Way Love Goes"), get rave reviews whatever
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At the end of the day his destiny's in his hands. He just needs to do it and move forward with this part of his career.

but he already is walking the walk!!

he walked away from WB and announced that he'll put this out either on his own or w/ some small label.

i don't really get why are we choosing not to believe him when he said he walked, and that he's doing a tour in the fall? (guess learning from history / GOS - but again, then he depended on WB - now he depends just on his own means).