FWIW question...

[mikebise]

Stevie also said she wrote "Love Is" in August 1995, after her dinner with Tom Petty, urging her to write her own songs (also inspiration for "That Makes Me Stronger"). Stevie said she left that dinner in August 1995 and went home and wrote "Love Is" that night.

Hmmm... Tom standing by her...

Yes, ALL of Stevie's songs can be construed about however we personally want to force them to be about. But Stevie herself makes it clear that "For What It's Worth" is about some other man than LB...

All this LB forcing reminds me of Webmistress:

"Love Is Like A River" - Webmistress says: I think this song is about Lindsey.

"Thousand Days" - Webmistress says: Clearly, this song is about Lindsey.

"Nightbird" - Webmistress says: I think this song is about Lindsey.

"Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You?" - Webmistress says: Clearly, this song is about Lindsey.

"Julia" - Webmistress says: I think this song is about Lindsey.

"Jane" - Webmistress says: Clearly, this song is about Lindsey.

And on and on, no matter what Stevie herself has to say!

[CADreaming]

^Obviously I get what you're saying Mike. But, why wouldn't she just say it's about Tom? No biggie...

Also, I read she wrote Love Is in January 1995....

[GODDESS6]

whoever it's about, it's gorgeous!!!~

[mikebise]

Based on Stevie's writings and comments about "For What It's Worth", I don't think it's about Tom because of the touring part circa 1994. Carlos? I dunno, but sure as f-ing Hell not LB.

Stevie uses different dates all the time in her myriad of remembrances, but January 1995 is still one whole year after she left Klonopin detox. I'm not sure why January makes for a certain claim over August. Just doing a quick search shows Stevie using various conflicting timelines about writing "Love Is".

I was just pointing out that she's made a few different timelines in reference to this. And "Love Is" could certainly also be about the "For What It's Worth" Man Who Is Not LB.

[GODDESS6]

i think "you may be the one" is about lindsey~

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by mikebise

Based on Stevie's writings and comments about "For What It's Worth", I don't think it's about Tom because of the touring part circa 1994. Carlos? I dunno, but sure as f-ing Hell not LB.

Stevie uses different dates all the time in her myriad of remembrances, but January 1995 is still one whole year after she left Klonopin detox. I'm not sure why January makes for a certain claim over August. Just doing a quick search shows Stevie using various conflicting timelines about writing "Love Is".

I was just pointing out that she's made a few different timelines in reference to this. And "Love Is" could certainly also be about the "For What It's Worth" Man Who Is Not LB.

Oh, ok. Well, I politely disagree that it definitely couldn't be about Lindsey. I know you hate him and that's your right! But, I certainly understand there are other more obvious choices.

[Rumour0323]

I shouldn't jump in here because for one I haven't even listened to the song yet, however I have read the lyrics...and I haven't gone back into the vault to get all my facts in order...but...I don't care, I'm going to wing it.

If my memory serves me....Stevie wasn't just addicted to Klonipin she was dying. A bit overdramatic? Maybe but girlfriend was in a bad way. Someone told me that she never left the house, that she would be found walking around carrying her dolls as if they were real babies. Like Gonzo......now say what you want about their "love life" or "relationship" as a couple. But it is my belief that Lindsey is probably thee most significant person in Stevie's life other than her father. They are not merely former lovers. He has known her since she was 16 years old. They forged a life and a love and achieved superstardom together. They may have "broken up" but they have never left each other. Just like she said, if something happend to either one of them, the other would be the first person there. I think that is what happend.She went off the deep end and either Lori or her Father called Lindsey and said, "you have to come, you are the only one who can get thru to her. " Lindsey was around that time coming off the bad breakup with Cheri and the lawsuit from the car accident they were in. He I think was in need of rehab himself for alcohol. Love IS in my opinion is exactly about that time. Him saying to her..."You know that I can not stay, yes I know. It has nothing to do with you or with love....oh yes it does." If memory serves me too, I think this rehab stint was a two parter. I think she went somewhere first to detox from the klonopin. I think it was 45 days and that is when her hair turned grey and her skin ....what did she say? Her skin molted or something. I think Lindsey went to detox with her. I think that was the deal, he beat down the door and got her to go, but he had to go with her. I think once the detox part was over he left and went into rehab and so did she. It was quite a process and took some time. As for the "tour". Again my memory is for crap but when she got out someone, with the help of I think her tour manager who's name escapes me now, put together a 4 show gig for her.Just to get her back on stage. There is a boot of one of the shows, somewhere in the east...Ohio maybe. And she looks like she is wearing a wig, her hair does not look like her own. I think that is the "tour" she is referring to.

As for the shipper thing. It's senseless to argue about it. To me this relationship is one of those great loves. It doesn't conform to what we typically see when two people come together and split up. Stevie talks about Lindsey like she owns him, even now. Listen to her interviews....its' Lindsey, this and Lindsey that. You would never know the guy has a wife and three kids. I dont' think she cares much beyond not going so far as to say this song is definitely about him. I think she has enough respect for his kids to know they will read what she writes about their father in the press and not make it too obvious. I also think their relationship now is about nothing but love and great friendship. It's not always about sex, but about a shared history, and what an amazing f'ing history it was. I am sure there are alot of regrets about lost years, things that were never said, or sthings that were said in anger, in a drug infused haze, that they are just now coming to grips with, and trying to make amends for. At the core was a great love affair, when you (they) peel back the layers of 30 years of crap, that is what they are discovering again. So to think that probably one line in every song she has ever written is about Lindsey, I don't think is too far of a stretch. He is her muse and vice versa. It is what it is. Ok well that's my two cents.


Well crylove we must have hit post at the same time.

[mikephxaz]

I'm the fool who started this crazy thread and I had heard the same story

[CastAwayDreamer]

But the thing is, even Stevie has come back years later, after saying a song is about one person, only to finally admit that it's actually about Lindsey. Landslide being a perfect example.

I think for some reason, she doesn't want people to think she's as dependent on Lindsey as she really is. She likes to portray this image of being tough and independent. I'd heard those stories too, back in the day, and if you put all the pieces together, and match them up with the lyrics, it all makes sense. But she's denied her feelings and denied them so much over the years until people refuse to believe anything else is possible, even when she finally admits it herself.

And if you do go back and look at other things she's written and said during the times she's later changed her story about, you can see that she's talking about the same thing, and most of the time, putting the pieces together you can figure out pretty easily that she's talking about Lindsey.

I agree with Rumours0323 in that I'm not a shipper in the sense that I think Lindsey's going to leave Kristen for her and they're going to live happily ever after. I think there's too much standing in the way for that, and no, I'm not talking about Kristen or the kids. But they do have one hell of a story to tell, and I do think they have a very deep love between them. I think there's been a lot to go on within the last several years since Tango, and with both of their lyrics that have come out recently, it almost seems like they're both chomping at the bit to tell the (same) story.


How's that for a first post? LOL

[WideSargassoSea]

Originally Posted by crylove77

First off, Stevie was not just on Klonopin, she was taking a a lot of other pills, drinking heavily, smoking a lot of weed, etc. Basically just self medicating all the time. This was also around the time Stevie was carrying around those realistic looking baby dolls acting like they were real. There's pics of her in airports walking with those "babies". Anyway, she was just in a really bad place mentally, as she has said. Glen said once she locked herself in her room for 3 days and he literally had to knock down the door to get in and she hadn't showered or eaten in days, just a mess. Lori and Jess were a wreck during this time, they just didn't know how to help her and she wouldn't listen to anyone. Apparently, Lori called LB first and asked him to come try to talk to her, that they just didn't know what to do anymore. At first LB said no, that he just couldn't go down that road with her again, it was too much. He had "caught her when she was falling" so many times at that point, and he just couldn't understand what was happening to her. So he said no to Lori. Then Jess called and just broke down on the phone begging for his help. So LB flew to Phoenix and Glen picked him up at the airport. They went back to the house and when he saw Stevie she was holding/rocking that doll, had not been taking care of herself, etc., and LB broke down. Stevie got angry when she saw him and basically started blaming him for everything. Glen said LB begged her to come with him to get help and she refused. She was screaming at him, hitting him, blaming him for everything and Glen said LB just stood there and took it (as he usually does when it comes to Stevie, according to Chris). Chris and Glen have both said that LB is a "saint" at times with her. So the whole thing went on for 2 days, LB begging her to get help, she refusing. Finally, she said she would go if LB would stay with her through the initial detox. At first LB said no, he couldn't watch her go through that, but finally said he would stay with her when he realized she would go no other way. So LB arranged and paid for a private plane with a doctor, nurse and his own shrink to fly down to Phoenix and fly back with them to CA to some extremely exclusive rehab. Apparently, LB paid an exorbitant amount of money for the privilege of staying with her, basically a bribe. Jess was so torn up he didn't visit at all, couldn't bear to see her that way. Chris said they all thought she was going to die. This is when her hair turned grey and she had terrible leg and stomach cramps and couldn't sleep. Lindsey did things for her that she would not allow the nurses to do, help her bathe, use the bathroom, things like that. She wanted and tried to leave the detox multiple times, but LB literally held her down to stop her from leaving. She also had severe shakes, almost like seizures, and he held her during those too. After the bad detox was over and the rehab started, he was involved with everything and came to multiple therapy sessions with her. Chris and Glen have both said that LB was the sole reason she got better, that his love and support made her able to cope with it all. And she came to depend on him a great deal after that. (What you did was, You saved my life, I won't forget it)

Love Is is tied into all this as well. At the end of the rehab, Stevie wanted to start fresh with him in a romantic relationship but LB was hesitant. Not only had they been down that road numerous times and it had never worked long term, but he had serious problems of his own at that time. He was seeing a shrink himself and had developed a serious alcohol dependency. This was around the time he got that DUI. He was also still on again/off again with Cheri (You said, even if I left my girlfriend, picked up my stuff, loaded up my car, came down to your house, with good intentions). But during Stevie's detox and rehab, he put his own problems on hold to take care of her. So she wanted him, he said no. Not never, just not "now". He wanted to get his own head on straight before they went down that road again. She was devastated, but understood. And as is popular opinion, the relationship did resume just prior to The Dance.

Making "Twisted" was kind of a test to see if she still had it and that whole story about how The Dance came to be, LB asking Mick to play drums and it morphed, etc.? That's partly true, but the whole Dance thing was LB's brainchild for Stevie, he didn't want to see her go out that way, with everyone remembering how she was in the early 90's. Of course, it helped his career too, but the whole idea was for Stevie.

This is one of the most compelling stories I've heard about Stevie/Lindsey, and I would like to believe it's true. I certainly would not consider myself a "shipper," but I do feel like Lindsey gets a bad wrap from Stevie fans sometimes (I would count myself among them too). He didn't initially spring to mind when I heard the song...I was much more in the Carlos Rios/Rick Vito camp. If Lindsey did, in fact, go out of his way to display this sort of selfless love and care towards Stevie as CryLove77 says (and for the record, I have no reason to doubt you! ), then "For What It's Worth" is an even sweeter thank you note than I already thought it was.

I must point out (for curiosity's sake) that in all the times Stevie has mentioned her Klonopin addiction and subsequent rehab/detox, Lindsey's name has never come up (at least, not to my knowledge). She pretty much put him on blast during the "Rock Family Trees" special (http://youtu.be/6vEMZmX3MKU), which was filmed during the post Klonopin, pre-Dance time period. I'm not so sure I'd relay a story about the big blowout altercation with Lindsey during the Tango in the Night sessions with such anger (even going as far as saying that "my Dad and my brother will kill you") when he'd just "saved her life." Then again, there is a thin line between love and hate and I'm not Stevie Nicks. For all we know, she could have been acting in that interview like she "acted" every night on the Say You Will tour.

In any case, I love "For What It's Worth" and all the theories behind its writing. Hopefully one day it'll all come out in the wash in the form of an extensive autobiography...which I will take a week off work and devote my life to reading.

[jellyman10]

Their relationship just seems like the mother of all bad-timing stories, doesn't it? They just couldn't ever get right at the same time, and now, as LB might be saying on his new album, it's 'The End of Time' and it won't ever happen.

I guess that's the reason why the happy years -- the 'Gypsy' years of that king-size bed and the lamp on the floor and 'nothing else' -- have such a strong pull in their memories? Because that was when the hooks went so deep into each other that they're still there to this day?

Loz

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

Because that was when the hooks went so deep into each other that they're still there to this day?

Loz

I think also that they were one another's first "real" love relationship.

I don't know about all of you but on the rare occasion I can't help but think about my "first" and where she is, and what she might be doing... and what might've been.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I think also that they were one another's first "real" love relationship.

I don't know about all of you but on the rare occasion I can't help but think about my "first" and where she is, and what she might be doing... and what might've been.

Yep, no doubt. And, like you, I sometimes see my own experience in there, too. But maybe, as a writer, I find myself drawn to them as almost mythological figures, almost Shakespearean. Because theirs is a great story, as in an intense story, with grand themes and sharp twists of plot. And I sometimes wonder if SN views it that way, too - as if she's slightly outside it - like the way she'll say 'Stevie and Lindsey' in the third person? And how LB said she 'romanticizes her own romanticism'?

I also think she's said enough over the years about her philosophy of love to suggest that she could not be happy in a 'normal' relationship. Kind of the opposite of a bored housewife standing daydreaming in the queue at the grocery store, thinking how wonderful it would be to be a beautiful, rich, glamorous movie star, with men falling over themselves to court her? Instead, Stevie is/was that, and her daydreams were of living a quiet family life, cooking dinner and watching TV and helping her kids with their Hallowe'en costumes. But by the time of the Dance, she was 49. So even if she and LB really had given it a go, there weren't going to be any babies coming from the two of them ....

Woops, seem to have wandered a bit. I just find them intriguing, tho. Sorry.

Loz

[nofearonlylove]

Originally Posted by WideSargassoSea

This is one of the most compelling stories I've heard about Stevie/Lindsey, and I would like to believe it's true. I certainly would not consider myself a "shipper," but I do feel like Lindsey gets a bad wrap from Stevie fans sometimes (I would count myself among them too). He didn't initially spring to mind when I heard the song...I was much more in the Carlos Rios/Rick Vito camp. If Lindsey did, in fact, go out of his way to display this sort of selfless love and care towards Stevie as CryLove77 says (and for the record, I have no reason to doubt you! ), then "For What It's Worth" is an even sweeter thank you note than I already thought it was.

I must point out (for curiosity's sake) that in all the times Stevie has mentioned her Klonopin addiction and subsequent rehab/detox, Lindsey's name has never come up (at least, not to my knowledge). She pretty much put him on blast during the "Rock Family Trees" special (http://youtu.be/6vEMZmX3MKU), which was filmed during the post Klonopin, pre-Dance time period. I'm not so sure I'd relay a story about the big blowout altercation with Lindsey during the Tango in the Night sessions with such anger (even going as far as saying that "my Dad and my brother will kill you") when he'd just "saved her life." Then again, there is a thin line between love and hate and I'm not Stevie Nicks. For all we know, she could have been acting in that interview like she "acted" every night on the Say You Will tour.

In any case, I love "For What It's Worth" and all the theories behind its writing. Hopefully one day it'll all come out in the wash in the form of an extensive autobiography...which I will take a week off work and devote my life to reading.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Rock Family Trees filmed BEFORE Stevie went to rehab for the Klonopin addiction? I've only seen the segment regarding the fight they had when he left the band, and we all know when he left the band she certainly hadn't gone to rehab for the Klonopin yet at that point, so it's totally possible she said all of those things to him. She was obviously VERY angry with him for years.

The mystery surrounding Stevie & Lindsey continues....

Wow.

Smiles
Erica

[bombaysaffires]

I thought she said that was That Made Me Stronger, not Love Is....??