FWIW question...

[Maria78]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Stevie does introduce him in concert sometimes by saying he helped her at a very difficult time, held her up, is always there for her. Michele

You took the words right out of my mouth, Carlos was the first person I thought of when she said that the song was about someone who stood by her during a difficult time.

Plus the "still forbidden" part could apply to him since he still tours with her.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm not saying that Lindsey has never been a comfort to Stevie. It's not at all like saying they never had sex because I didn't see it, because I'm not even coming close to saying that he never comforted her. She has said that she's known him for so long that he's one of those people that you pick up the phone and you hear their voice and crumble, all the emotions spring forth. Like when you're young and you call your Mom and Dad and you just pour your heart out. When Jess died, I'm sure she reached out to LB and he was comforting.

However, based on everything she has said and sung about their relationship and the feelings it invokes, the song does not fit him at all to me. I especially don't think Lindsey and Stevie were friendly at any time before she got off Klonopin. I think she wishes she had been, but I don't think they were. Of course, I don't necessarily buy that the song is just about an early nineties relationship anyway, so that's not a definitive factor for me. The fact is, she talks about this person using terms and emotions that she's never expressed about Lindsey throughout 4 decades of writing songs about him.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. And I'm not even disagreeing with your posts. Mainly, I'm just agreeing with the posts that say it's not him and setting forth my reasons for that. I'm not trying to persuade anyone who thinks it is him to the other side.


The song could be an amalgamation of several different people anyway.

Michele

Sorry, Michele. I must have misread or misinterpreted the comfort thing in your first post. I was just trying to say that there's obviously a lot to their relationship we don't necessarily know about - including when they have been close.

I totally agree though - it could be about anyone or a combination. She's strange like that.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Sorry, Michele. I must have misread or misinterpreted the comfort thing in your first post. I was just trying to say that there's obviously a lot to their relationship we don't necessarily know about - including when they have been close.

I totally agree though - it could be about anyone or a combination. She's strange like that.

great title for a song or album

[Ghosty]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

great title for a song or album

actually, ya! that could be her next cd. i'd love it.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

great title for a song or album

Originally Posted by Ghosty

actually, ya! that could be her next cd. i'd love it.

Funny guys!!

[Thrown_Down]

Don't ask me why, and I know I'm almost certainly wrong, but the first time I listened to this song, it made me think about Robyn... clearly it's not, although maybe parts are.

I think I'm leaning towards it being about several people, but written with a tighter narrative structure than she usually does with her 'bits and pieces' songs.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Sorry, Michele. I must have misread or misinterpreted the comfort thing in your first post.

By that, I meant that I feel she does derive comfort from him, but doesn't think or express their relationship in terms of him being comforting.

I'm reminded of Mick's book when he says that after Lindsey left the band Stevie didn't know how to be onstage without him there. She was so used to having him around. I think Lindsey's presence on stage with her all those years was comforting to her, but I don't think she would tenderly acknowledge him as being a comfort. I think of someone who you aren't mushy with, just because to express that openly makes you feel vulnerable and needy, when you prefer to be more detached in your dealings with them, because the emotion actually runs so deep.

During the Reno fight, when she was crying, she looked at Lindsey first, but Mick is the one who came and hugged her and then afterwards Lindsey went over and hugged her too, but in a way, to me, their strongest communication occurred when they were staring at each other across the stage than it did when he eventually embraced her. She probably derived more strength from his eyes than his arms.

In the end, I don't perceive the relationship in black or white shades.
Personally, when she told him his songs were perfected and polished like cloisonne boxes and they didn't compare to her rougher songs and he said don't worry that he'd fix that, I think those kind of words did make her feel secure, even though in one sense, I felt it was almost an insult and that the implication was that her songs did need a lot of work, but he was up to the task.

I think being the pale dragon boy always in the background is being a pillar and a comfort, but not the kind she'd describe in FWIW terms.


Michele

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Thrown_Down

Don't ask me why, and I know I'm almost certainly wrong, but the first time I listened to this song, it made me think about Robyn... clearly it's not, although maybe parts are.

I think I'm leaning towards it being about several people, but written with a tighter narrative structure than she usually does with her 'bits and pieces' songs.

Yes, I think that one chorus quote "even if I leave my girlfriend," makes it seem very specific more like she's telling just one story. Whereas, with the song TISL, it's easy to imagine that she's telling many.

Michele

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by michelej1

By that, I meant that I feel she does derive comfort from him, but doesn't think or express their relationship in terms of him being comforting.

I'm reminded of Mick's book when he says that after Lindsey left the band Stevie didn't know how to be onstage without him there. She was so used to having him around. I think Lindsey's presence on stage with her all those years was comforting to her, but I don't think she would tenderly acknowledge him as being a comfort. I think of someone who you aren't mushy with, just because to express that openly makes you feel vulnerable and needy, when you prefer to be more detached in your dealings with them, because the emotion actually runs so deep.

During the Reno fight, when she was crying, she looked at Lindsey first, but Mick is the one who came and hugged her and then afterwards Lindsey went over and hugged her too, but in a way, to me, their strongest communication occurred when they were staring at each other across the stage than it did when he eventually embraced her. She probably derived more strength from his eyes than his arms.

In the end, I don't perceive the relationship in black or white shades.
Personally, when she told him his songs were perfected and polished like cloisonne boxes and they didn't compare to her rougher songs and he said don't worry that he'd fix that, I think those kind of words did make her feel secure, even though in one sense, I felt it was almost an insult and that the implication was that her songs did need a lot of work, but he was up to the task.

I think being the pale dragon boy always in the background is being a pillar and a comfort, but not the kind she'd describe in FWIW terms.


Michele

I don't think FWIW is about Lindsey, but I'm just curious what you thought about the verses of In Your Dreams ( a song which I personally took entirely to be about Lindsey) then, regarding Lindsey being a comfort: you calm my nerves when you hold my hand, it feels so fine.. you calm my fears down.. etc.

Also - I can't say I'm familiar with the Reno instance, or either it's just not ringing a bell at this moment. What was that?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I don't think FWIW is about Lindsey, but I'm just curious what you thought about the verses of In Your Dreams ( a song which I personally took entirely to be about Lindsey) then, regarding Lindsey being a comfort: you calm my nerves when you hold my hand, it feels so fine.. you calm my fears down.. etc. :

Well, yes, I did relate that to the interview she gave where she said that as they walk out on stage, Lindsey puts both his hands behind his back and then she holds on to his hands. I get the feeling that he is pulling her like a tractor-trailer. and yes, I did think it was him and his assurance, making her feel calm.

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Also - I can't say I'm familiar with the Reno instance, or either it's just not ringing a bell at this moment. What was that?

People started fighting in the crowd. Someone in the audience was hurt. I think it happened during Don't Stop, so FM left the stage andwhen they returned for the encore, Stevie was still keyed up about it. That's the show when Lindsey sang part of Goodbye Baby for her. You've probably heard the audio.

Michele

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by michelej1

People started fighting in the crowd. Someone in the audience was hurt. I think it happened during Don't Stop, so FM left the stage andwhen they returned for the encore, Stevie was still keyed up about it. That's the show when Lindsey sang part of Goodbye Baby for her. You've probably heard the audio.

Michele

I was listening to an old Mirage tour boot the other night and he does it on there too.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I was listening to an old Mirage tour boot the other night and he does it on there too.

Oh? Which song did he sing for her during that show?

Michele

[Fiver]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I did read the rehab stay was Dec. '93-Jan. '94. But, the article said it was about "someone whoe stood by her '95." Possibilities are that the article was inaccurate, Stevie herself said '95 and they went with it, she went into rehab more than we know, Lindsey was around her during that period as Ghosty speculated, or just that it's about someone else. I already posted the reason why I thought Lindsey was a candidate for the subject matter.

It's also interesting, as I was researching the time frame, I read she wrote "Love Is" in Jan. '95 after she got out of rehab. I would guess it is probably about the same person.

I think you're onto something. I was watching this 'Love Is' performance and in her introduction for the song she says "It was a brilliant moment, and it saved my life." These two songs seem likely to be about the same person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaq4jP3TbcY

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I don't think FWIW is about Lindsey, but I'm just curious what you thought about the verses of In Your Dreams ( a song which I personally took entirely to be about Lindsey) then, regarding Lindsey being a comfort: you calm my nerves when you hold my hand, it feels so fine.. you calm my fears down.. etc.

Well, after reading the liner notes, I don't think IYD is so much about Lindsey and I think Ghosts Are Gone is about him (even though the lyrics are so nonsensical you can't tell). His songs seem to be talking about a relatively recent break up and with Ghosts Are Gone she is saying that she's had enough and ended a relationship (probably because it caused her harm). So, I'm going to put GAG together with the songs on Lindsey's album now.

Michele

[GODDESS6]

stellar song~ i can't listen to it w/out weeping~ the lyrics...WOW~