Sn Double Standard , Dont Get It

[David A]

Hello All

I am going to try and be as gentle as I can on this. Bottom line, I am a LB & FM fan first and for most. Sadly, I have come the conclusion that LB will never sell records SOLO wise, regardless. LB just doesn’t have a solo following, which is fine by me.

Having said that, my question is, what kind of sales are we expecting for IYD ? as far as what needs to be reached to NOT make this a bomb and or disappointment. SN as a solo act , in my view is creditable, I mean, I don’t think she’s ever done anything past her 2nd solo record, BUT having said that, I can’t deny her actual numbers. So, she SHOULD be able to sell, however, I do realize that today’s music is drastically different, and I think with FM Say You Will album results, SALES wise made me even more realize this. But, I often think that SN fans are known for coming up with a bunch of excuses. And, since LB never sells, no one can say im making this a challenge, it’s not, LB can release the cure for cancer, and it won’t sell, which is fine. SN has a track record, all be it early on, of selling platinum, multi platinum albums, and I think that a bunch of you are already lining up excuses for when it does NOT sell, you can’t have your cake and eat it to, and I don’t know how ppl can say that LB doesn’t sell, and then when and if IYD doesn’t sell, you guys are going to use those same excuses. SN has sold, so why isn’t she expected to now?

Honestly, she should and I realistically expect her to debut IYD in the top 10 . Honestly, if she doesn’t debut in top 10, that’s not good, and I don’t get how anyone can say that a outside the top 10 is ok

Sales wise, I would say platinum and up is a freaking home run, and id be the first to congratulate her, even though I highly doubt it, Honestly, she HAS to at least go old. No way she sells 300,000 and ppl can say that’s a success.

It’s a double standard, for years, ppl would use the argument that SN solo career was better than LBs and many ppl would say look at the sales, which is fine, but NOW, people are preparing arguments for when IYD doesn’t sell, that it’s ok

U can’t have it both ways. So, what is the expectation here? And don’t use the critical acclaim argument, because no offense, SN SOLO career aint exactly known for critical acclaim, she has hung her hat on her sales, so honestly if she debuts at like #13 and ends up selling 300,000 copies, that is a bomb and or a failure.

I hope ppl understand what im saying. It just sounds like many excuses are being prepared. It’s funny because it sounds like many SN fans may end up using the LB excuse, “well, its critically acclaimed, and that’s all that matters”, which for LB is fine and true, because he hung his hat on hat. Bottom line, SN hung her hat on her solo sales, and she’s going to live or die (sales wise, no harm intended) by those sales, and I just don’t see how IYD can sell ENOUGH , as far as SN sales to be a success

[markolas]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. "She's always hung her hat on sales"? I don't think she's had a platinum album in 25 years. And who really cares? All I care about is whether I like it or not. This album isn't going to go platinum because 1) albums just don't sell like that anymore, and 2) no one over the age of about 22 really sells many records at all. That's not making excuses, it's just a fact. I'm not sure what Lindsey has to do with this.

[BombaySapphire3]

After hearing this record multiple times now I would say the best hope of IYD reaching gold status in this day and age is word of mouth.If I learned that one of the biggies from back in the day had put out an album that truly did rival or even surpass their greatest work from their heydays I would but it even if I was just a nominal fan.This album does just that.

[-Lillith-]

i really dont get what this is about at all.

Who exuces what ?

I dont care for sales anyway , i love it and Stevie is happy with it -so all is well

[GoldDustBoy]

I am positive she will debut in the top 10, and I am positive that this album will go gold. Platinum would be great, but I am not so sure about that. I am also sure she will be nominated for a Grammy.

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by David A

HI would say platinum and up is a freaking home run, and id be the first to congratulate her, even though I highly doubt it, Honestly, she HAS to at least gold. No way she sells 300,000 and ppl can say that’s a success.

No way she will ever, ever have a Platinum album again. Fleetwood Mac couldn't even hit that target last time around with Say You Will. And Fleetwood Mac's efforts have always outsold Stevie's. I honestly think selling 300,000 copies this time around would be a triumph for her at this point in the game. I very much doubt she'll go Gold solo again either. Considering the state of the record biz currently, I don't think that's a bad thing for a veteran artist, though. I can't see her selling more than 200,000 copies of IYD. Time shall tell, though!

no offense, SN SOLO career aint exactly known for critical acclaim, she has hung her hat on her sales

Have you seen the reviews so far for this album? They're the best reviews of her career. Rolling Stone was practically gushing over her (for Rolling Stone... they're all about back handed compliments and murky praise after all). Other publications are calling this her best album of her career, and are giving her 4 out of 4 stars, etc. THIS is Stevie's turn in the sun for critical acclaim, and hopefully awards.

[BombaySapphire3]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

No way she will ever, ever have a Platinum album again. Fleetwood Mac couldn't even hit that target last time around with Say You Will. And Fleetwood Mac's efforts have always outsold Stevie's.

Well not 'always' Bella Donna sold more than Tusk before it or Mirage after here in the states where TISL and SYW virtually drew even.

[Annabell Lee]

Originally Posted by markolas

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. "She's always hung her hat on sales"? I don't think she's had a platinum album in 25 years. And who really cares? All I care about is whether I like it or not. This album isn't going to go platinum because 1) albums just don't sell like that anymore, and 2) no one over the age of about 22 really sells many records at all. That's not making excuses, it's just a fact. I'm not sure what Lindsey has to do with this.

I agree whole-heartedly ! If i like the album ( which i do ! ) then to me it's a roaring success ! She will prob. never see platinum again but that's fine with me. If her fans are happy and she is happy THAT is success in my mind. I know the powers that be want her to sell 1,000,000 copies. That isn't going to happen, but what ever she sells is more than what they started with. Right ?

[mezzoforte]

Color me confused--I honestly haven't seen the double stand you object to.

Sure, there are plenty of Stevie fans who don't care for Lindsey's music. But I don't think there's a consensus here that his poor sales reflect poor quality. It's generally understood, I think, that Lindsey's ambitions in his solo career have been artistic, not commercial. He's said as much himself--his solo career is the "little machine", the "indie movie" he does for his own integrity. Yeah, many of us haven't gotten into Lindsey's solo stuff, but I just haven't seen the accusations you're so upset about.

As for Stevie, we're well aware that IYD sales will not begin to approach Bella Donna. But that disparity will have nothing to do with quality and everything to do with a ravaged music industry.

[SapphireSister]

I'm not trying to be rude (once again) but why are you here in the Stevie forum? I mean your more than welcome here anytime to discuss Stevie related topics but this sounds more like it's a problem for Lindsey's fans, not Stevie's for whatever it is you are trying to say.

[BombaySapphire3]

A ravaged music industry and Stevie's age.If a twenty something girl put out an album like IYD she would likely be championed as the great hope of the rock music world.

[Macfanforever]

We love to see her get a number 1 record.It would be lovely to see that happen.I think she does not care if the record goes to no# 1.She's very happy when her true supporters like us the keep coming to a zillion of concerts in same tour.and continuing buying zillion copies of her music all of these years.
Like mentioned below she has to weed through all the young ones music thats at the top of the charts.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by BombaySapphire3

A ravaged music industry and Stevie's age.If a twenty something girl put out an album like IYD she would likely be championed as the great hope of the rock music world.

Today theres no room for rock music these days it get pushed to the side and it gets mowed off the charts with rap,and hip hop. Bubble Gum teenie bopper tunes .and sprinkled with young country artists like Taylor.which I rather hear then the music genres I just mentioned before. I hope 'Cheaper Then Free'" gets some country airplay.This is sad.People say Stevie had her spotlite in the 70's and 80's.I wish she gets another chance before its to late.Tina Turner had a good comeback in the 1980's and Cher had a good comeback in the 1990's.Back then music was much better.
Now forget it.

[mikephxaz]

I'm not sure what your trying to say. Lindsey simply doesn't have the following..it's quite simple...he hasn't connected with as many listeners....I would imagine that Stevie's worst selling solo album sold comparable to his best solo album...she can continue to sell concert tickets and Lindsey would have a difficult time selling out a couch (I'm kidding) There's no excuses here if Stevie's album doesn't sell...she's 63 and has NOTHING to prove, Lindsey, on the other hand, has alot to prove as a solo artist...it seems his diehard fans are the ones that have to start finding better excuses for his lack of sales...Like TISL, In Your Dreams has made me very happy....Frankly I don't care what the first week sales, I'll be hapy with the 75 copies that I'll be buying.

[David A]

thats total crap, SN has sold records, and if, I say IF she doesnt sell them now, nyou are all ok with that, meaning, no big deal, amazing. LB has nothing to prove, nothing, his solo work material wise blows any SN SOLO project out of the water, and SN success was mainly cause how she looked, amazing ppl dont see that, they are bashing the young ppl artist, bubble gum for the exact, well, almost exact things she did in her hey day

amazing, how this is a double standard, I just dont get it, I really dont

Yea, lets see what BIG venues SN sells out, ppl are really reaching for straws , Rod Stewart was the head line, not her, and you ppl think she has a chance of selling out venues, amazing

if SN would have sold 300,000 back in 1985 or 1990, you all would have big time said,

"oh bomb"

"what a failure"

but, now thats ok?

i dont get it

Promise you this as example, Shania Twain and or Celine Dion aint never gonna NOT Sell, and sometimes SN fans act like she can hold a candle to those ladies

weird