Oprah Comment (Two Years Later . . .)

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I've always had a hunch that Stevie deceived her parents about what (who) she was doing and that she and LB agreed to shuffle dates around to match whatever she told them. And then, as time has gone on, her dad passed on, she gets older and the fibs get more tedious to keep up. So the truth starts to leak out but, as the saying goes, a really good liar needs a really good memory. So now, it's all a huge muddle, and even she can't remember what really happened when any more?

“I never in a million years expected it [stardom] to happen to me. I took typing and shorthand. I went to five years of college and I quit and also got into humoungous trouble from my parents for that. I moved to Los Angeles with Lindsey Buckingham, which was totally unacceptable to my entire family. Not only was I living with somebody, but I quit school. ‘What are you gonna do? Be in the circus for the rest of your life?’" - Stevie, 1997

you may be onto something my friend.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

I've always had a hunch that Stevie deceived her parents about what (who) she was doing and that she and LB agreed to shuffle dates around to match whatever she told them. And then, as time has gone on, her dad passed on, she gets older and the fibs get more tedious to keep up. So the truth starts to leak out but, as the saying goes, a really good liar needs a really good memory. So now, it's all a huge muddle, and even she can't remember what really happened when any more?

I can see the part about her lying to her parents (especially her Dad) about Lindsey. Barb had already turned her nose up at him and Javier for not joining the military and going to 'Nam. I could see where the Nickses would be more than a little concerned about Stevie following a pipe dream with Lindsey and her need to keep them in the dark. But, didn't she move to Chicago with them for a brief period? I'm betting she was already in love with Lindsey and high tailed it back to SF as soon as she could convince her Dad she was going to stay in school.

I think she's forgotten a lot and muddled a lot but not much before LA. I am thinking it was some kind of secret they kept from her Dad. But, then again - he lied too. He was quoted in an interview as saying Lindsey hung around their house a lot after his Dad died and they sort of took him in as a son. He made it sound like that was how Lindsey's relationship with Stevie developed. But, that doesn't make sense - Morris Buckingham died in Feb. 1974 and Stevie and Lindsey were already a couple and living in LA, Jess & Barb were living in Phoenix. It just doesn't add up.

[WildHearted]

Oh, the possibilities. I wonder if THEY even remember. I think Lindsey probably does for the most part but just keeps his mouth shut... Stevie's either really forgetful (delusional?), or she's lied so much that she can't keep it straight and the truth slips in sometimes.

Well regardless, I think it's safe to assume that they were definitely together during the Fritz days, at least at some point. It's never made sense to me personally that they just got up and moved to LA together, started living together, and THEN began dating.. Plus, didn't Lindsey at one point say something about calling asking her to join Fritz and kissing her?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Well regardless, I think it's safe to assume that they were definitely together during the Fritz days, at least at some point. It's never made sense to me personally that they just got up and moved to LA together, started living together, and THEN began dating.. Plus, didn't Lindsey at one point say something about calling asking her to join Fritz and kissing her?

Yeah, Hejira told us Lindsey told her he called her and "I even kissed you" at the last Unleashed show, although he was just being funny about the kiss, because it gave him an excuse to kiss her then, in the present.

I do notice that Stevie has gone back to saying he called her and doesn't say that the drummer called her. So, his correction must have stuck with her over the last 2 years.

Michele

[michelej1]

So, after Soldier's Angel, Lindsey felt closer to Stevie than he had in 30 years?

Was he feeling especially close to her in 1981? Of course, he probably meant to say forty, not thirty. Yet, based on some interviews that Stevie gave around 1981 and 1982, I think she and Lindsey actually were getting along better around that time than they had before and after.

Michele

[Nico]

Originally Posted by michelej1

So, after Soldier's Angel, Lindsey felt closer to Stevie than he had in 30 years?

Was he feeling especially close to her in 1981? Of course, he probably meant to say forty, not thirty. Yet, based on some interviews that Stevie gave around 1981 and 1982, I think she and Lindsey actually were getting along better around that time than they had before and after.

Michele

I can't keep up with all the ups and downs of these two's relationship. It's a most fascinating thing, and could make quite an epic novel/miniseries. My goodness.

[jellyman10]

Originally Posted by Nico

It's a most fascinating thing, and could make quite an epic novel/miniseries.

That's what I think, too. And I don't think that makes me a shipper, not if shipping entails wanting them to get back together, like, officially? I just think they're interesting for the whole idea of who the important people in your life are, and the way they move in and out of influence. The only problem with making it a novel is that it would get rejected as being too far-fetched.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by Nico

I can't keep up with all the ups and downs of these two's relationship. It's a most fascinating thing, and could make quite an epic novel/miniseries. My goodness.

Who in their right mind would want to be poor Kristen?

She may be married to him, she may have his kids, but "Lindsey and Stevie" isn't ever going to go away.

Can you imagine being married to someone whose old flame is constantly in the picture

[Silver Springs]

Originally Posted by McTrouble

Who in their right mind would want to be poor Kristen?

She may be married to him, she may have his kids, but "Lindsey and Stevie" isn't ever going to go away.

Can you imagine being married to someone whose old flame is constantly in the picture

It's a testament to their relationship if they lasted this long, actually. She must be made to feel very secure and not threatened by Stevie's presence. After all, Kristen had a lot of repair work to perform when she met Lindsey. She helped him feel comfortable in a relationship and valued and, more to the point, she doesn't fight for creative control

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Silver Springs

It's a testament to their relationship if they lasted this long, actually. She must be made to feel very secure and not threatened by Stevie's presence. After all, Kristen had a lot of repair work to perform when she met Lindsey. She helped him feel comfortable in a relationship and valued and, more to the point, she doesn't fight for creative control

Oh, I don't know....maybe he thought the pears should go over there.

[Silver Springs]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Oh, I don't know....maybe he thought the pears should go over there.

I don't really want to have to think about what he wanted to do with the Pears, lol. I know how his mind works after many years of fandom. Kristen can retain her obsession with her beloved Pears.

[njova]

I wonder what does Lindsey say to Kristen about the songs he writes that are supposedly about Stevie does she ask what they mean or does she ignore them or does she just understand that he still has to write about her? I don't know no matter how much I care or love someone I would never get involved with someone who has that kind of history with an ex. I would always feel like he married me yeah but she was his first choice and I would always feel that a part of his heart will always belong to her. No matter how secure I would come off there would be a little part of me that would think that he will always be in love with her and if I were Kristen I just wouldn't be able to deal with that.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by Silver Springs

It's a testament to their relationship if they lasted this long, actually. She must be made to feel very secure and not threatened by Stevie's presence. After all, Kristen had a lot of repair work to perform when she met Lindsey. She helped him feel comfortable in a relationship and valued and, more to the point, she doesn't fight for creative control

I know, I know.......but still, I can honestly say I would HATE it if an old flame kept popping up in my life, but that's just me.

[McTrouble]

Originally Posted by njova

I wonder what does Lindsey say to Kristen about the songs he writes that are supposedly about Stevie does she ask what they mean or does she ignore them or does she just understand that he still has to write about her? I don't know no matter how much I care or love someone I would never get involved with someone who has that kind of history with an ex. I would always feel like he married me yeah but she was his first choice and I would always feel that a part of his heart will always belong to her. No matter how secure I would come off there would be a little part of me that would think that he will always be in love with her and if I were Kristen I just wouldn't be able to deal with that.

Exactly my opinion

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

That's what I think, too. And I don't think that makes me a shipper, not if shipping entails wanting them to get back together, like, officially? I just think they're interesting for the whole idea of who the important people in your life are, and the way they move in and out of influence. The only problem with making it a novel is that it would get rejected as being too far-fetched.

I'm fascinated by relationships. And when people bicker often, what I love to see is the things that they don't argue about and the things that they tolerate without objection. The things that seem strange and annoying to others, but are so much a part of the other person, that they don't even notice or question it anymore. I'm drawn to this in romantic couples, but also in working couples too, like Siskel and Ebert, Larry David and Seinfeld; Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis.

I loved how Siskel and Ebert might compete, but when they went on Howard Stern and Howard was making insulting comments about Ebert's new family, how Siskel stepped in and defended them.

I hate reading about the arrogance Jerry Lewis developed thinking he contributed more to his pairing with Dean Martin than Dean did, but I love the fact that over time Jerry regretted this profoundly. He tells the story of showing up at Dean Paul Jr.'s funeral and how his estranged partner, Dean, called him up to thank him afterwards and I cry and I also remember crying when I saw Dean and Jerry reunite on the Jerry Lewis Telethon and at a "Rat Pack" show in Vegas (a reunion orchestrated by Frank Sinatra).

Of course, romantic couples, or formerly romantic couples are more intriguing still. So, there's no end to my interest in pairings like Lucy and Desi, Sonny and Cher and, yes Stevie and Lindsey.

But I'm enthralled by different combinations of Macsters. Christine and Lindsey; Lindsey, Christine and Stevie; and all 5 of them together. I think I could watch them non-stop for hours. Certainly, I have watched them whenever I could, for many years.

I'm very much a shipper, but not in the "They got married and lived happily ever after," sense. Right now, one of the "ships" I enjoy the most is Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington. It's not their jokes and punch lines I gravitate towards, its the foundation of the personal relationships I can hear peeking up through the comedy bits.

Chemistry between lovers, partners, frenemies: whether it's working or failing or hurting and disappointing, I just can't get enough of it and Stevie and Lindsey bring that home in spades.

Michele