Florence Welch pays tribute to Stevie Nicks in the new rolling stone - Page 3

Jondalar · #31 04-16-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

Adele is another example of influences that cannot be denied. She is refreshing in the current pop market, but thats not saying much. She borrows a little from Dusty, some Laura Nyro , and a bit of Carole King and some Stax Records. I wonder if her influences are organically intentional or she or her label/producers have done their homework to push her in that direction. Either way, Adele is definitely being groomed. Florence comes across as being a little more organically influenced than Adele, but others are right, Florence still has a lot to prove with her next outing. Time will tell.

Is Adele writing her own songs. I could give two turds about singers. I think they are great musicians but I want singer/songwriters to make a comeback. To me singer/songwriters are artists and great singers are just great musicians.

I liked Chasing Pavements and her new song is nice, but she is not blowing me out of the water. Florence seems to be more of the real thing to me

P.S. I hate to sound negative about Adele because I'm sure she is a nice person.

Christopher · #32 04-16-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

Is Adele writing her own songs. I could give two turds about singers. I think they are great musicians but I want singer/songwriters to make a comeback. To me singer/songwriters are artists and great singers are just great musicians.

I liked Chasing Pavements and her new song is nice, but she is not blowing me out of the water. Florence seems to be more of the real thing to me

P.S. I hate to sound negative about Adele because I'm sure she is a nice person.

She does, but her label insisted 21(Adele's 2nd record) be heavily co-written with a bumper crop of the new latest hitmaker/songwriters of the moment to make sure the record was a good as it got. She's absolutely, not so subtly, being groomed.

And it's working, thanks in large part to an audience starving for something sounding not artifically produced.

Jondalar · #33 04-16-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

She does, but her label insisted 21(Adele's 2nd record) be heavily co-written with a bumper crop of the new latest hitmaker/songwriters of the moment to make sure the record was a good as it got. She's absolutely, not so subtly, being groomed.

And it's working, thanks in large part to an audience starving for something sounding not artifically produced.

In other words her songs are pooh and she is surrounded by a team of hit making writers. As far authenticity, is that Britians claim to fame. They said the same thing about Duffy and Amy Whinehouse. Borrowing from the past doesn't make you an original or authentic. It looks like Adele is following the same RETRO path as Duffy and Amy Whinehouse for success.

mikebise · #34 04-16-2011, 07:22 PM

She's no Lene Lovich.

At least her stamp of approval wins over the faux artsy wannabes! Now they're "allowed" to like Stevie!

mikebise · #35 04-16-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

In other words her songs are pooh and she is surrounded by a team of hit making writers. As far authenticity, is that Britians claim to fame. They said the same thing about Duffy and Amy Whinehouse. Borrowing from the past doesn't make you an original or authentic. It looks like Adele is following the same RETRO path as Duffy and Amy Whinehouse.

Mark your calendars! The stars HAVE aligned! I agree with 100% of a Jondalar post!!!

Especially about that Amy Whinehouse who FOOLED all of you in 2007~2008 into proclaiming her as the saviour of Music ~ LOL!!!!!!!

Christopher · #36 04-16-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mikebise

She's no Lene Lovich.

At least her stamp of approval wins over the faux artsy wannabes! Now they're "allowed" to like Stevie!

Now there's an original authentic blast from the past! And don't forget Laurie Anderson & Grace Jones.

mikebise · #37 04-16-2011, 07:33 PM

"It's you...
ONLY YOU...

Mein schmerz........."

I had to ask my German grandmother what that meant in 1984.

"I'm losing my heart for you
Now i'm about to lose my life... mein schmerz..."

I'd start veering into "Excellent Birds" territory, but you KNOW that I'm not perfect (BUT~ I'm perfect... FOR YOU!), so I'd better keep this from slipping into Chit Chat!

I wish I knew my German better to translate Nina Hagen's "Zarah"........

mikebise · #38 04-16-2011, 07:43 PM

Ooh, and Alicia just posted on my Facebook page a link to clips from Kate Bush's new album:

http://angiezwrites.tumblr.com/post/...-all-the-songs

Talk about ORIGINALITY!!!!!!

And veering even further into chit chat... Hey, Stevie & Kate have released several albums near the same time:

Hounds Of Love and Rock A Little ~ 1985
The Other Side Of The Mirror and The Sensual World ~ 1989
In Your Dreams May 3, 2011 and Director's Cut May 17, 2011

And Street Angel was supposed to be released in Fall of 1993, when The Red Shoes was released. And even The Red Shoes had to go back and get tweaked, because the US record company wasn't happy with it that Summer.

GoldDustOrphan · #39 04-16-2011, 08:15 PM

In defense of Adele, she was the sole writer on 7 out of 12 songs on her first CD, co-writer on the rest, plus one Bob Dylan cover. 19 sold millions worldwide and her tour was a sell-out. She won two Grammy Awards: Best New Artist and Best Female Pop Vocal. I've seen her twice in concert and she's absolutely incredible and really personable and funny.

On her new CD, the first to pass the million mark this year, she wrote the lyrics and collaborated on the music with a handful of writers. Pat Benatar, Heart, Aretha, Joan Jett, etc. all benefited from the contributions of hit songwriters.

Is she being groomed for superstardom? Yes, she is. Everyone with potential for long-term success is groomed, and their "brand" (I hate writing that, but it is the music business) is developed. Part of that is building an image and shaping public perception.

What is gross is how LiveNation is exploiting her success by holding back tickets and selling them on the secondary market. Her upcoming show at House of Blues in Boston - where I live - sold out in minutes. Capacity is 2,500. Tickets were $27 and impossible to get. The same day they went on sale, hundreds were posted on secondary sites linked to Ticketmaster. On StubHub and eBay, the lowest price is $350 a ticket. Most are $600.

Christopher · #40 04-16-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldDustOrphan

In defense of Adele, she was the sole writer on 7 out of 12 songs on her first CD, co-writer on the rest, plus one Bob Dylan cover. 19 sold millions worldwide and her tour was a sell-out. She won two Grammy Awards: Best New Artist and Best Female Pop Vocal. I've seen her twice in concert and she's absolutely incredible and really personable and funny.

On her new CD, the first to pass the million mark this year, she wrote the lyrics and collaborated on the music with a handful of writers. Pat Benatar, Heart, Aretha, Joan Jett, etc. all benefited from the contributions of hit songwriters.

I like Adele, Her label very smartly had her collaborate on her 2nd record to capitalize on her Grammy win and momentum she was building after her 1st record, as well as her long term career. And it looks like it's all paying off handsomely! I have tickets to see Adele at a small theatre late May here in Denver, tickets were dirt cheap and I cannot wait. It will be my 1st time seeing her "live" and I'm totally expecting a knock down performance, I cannot wait.

But I must admit, I am suffering a little Adele fatigue, She's becoming so overexposed.

mezzoforte · #41 04-16-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan

Lots actually. The new batch,especially the Brit girls are heavily marketed.The whole setup is paper thin.
Remember Amy Winehouse?. . .5 years since that infamous record.Truly chewed up and spat out.Will she finish that 3rd album? Will anyone care?
They're trying to put Ellie Goulding out there now in the States when she should really be in the studio.
They all know they're on borrowed time in the business so are milking it for all their ONE record's worth.By all means carry on ladies. . . .I won't be missing 'em.
In my honest opinion Florence has already blown it,so I feel perfectly entitled to express that.

Of course you have a right to express your opinion. I don't need you to like Florence. But yeah, I object to your statement that she can "s*ck a dick."

And again, I'm just not sure why marketing has to deplete any artistic value. Yes, talented people with buzz are marketed. That's the way it's always been. Music is a business. When that compromises the artistic value, absolutely, I'm disappointed. But I don't think it always has to. And I don't think that having buzz means an artist has lost his or her value.

But whatever--listen, I really don't need you to like Florence Welch or Adele or Amy Winehouse c. 2006. Seriously, I couldn't care less. Florence and Adele are getting plenty of press and I have no personal investment in their careers aside from my hope that they continue to make music (regardless of buzz levels) because I think these women are tremendously talented. Whether they receive attention from the Oscars or Rolling Stone or Bryan on the Ledge won't change my opinion.

I was responding to your comment that Florence Welch is a brown-noser who can "s*ck a d*ck" because it was a gross, unnecessary, vulgar thing to say. It would be a gross thing to say about any female artist.

But it was exceptionally bizarre because we haven't even heard her new cd yet! Maybe she's lose her artistic integrity. Maybe she won't. Maybe you'll love it and I'll hate it. No one knows! That's my point! But definitely, reserve personal attacks on her artistry until you've heard it. When you have, judge for yourself! Then call her a brown-noser or whatever else. But until you have reason to believe that she's been marketed/compromised/whatever, it's just kind of gross to insult the woman in that way.

Jondalar · #42 04-16-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

I like Adele, Her label very smartly had her collaborate on her 2nd record to capitalize on her Grammy win and momentum she was building after her 1st record, as well as her long term career. And it looks like it's all paying off handsomely! I have tickets to see Adele at a small theatre late May here in Denver, tickets were dirt cheap and I cannot wait. It will be my 1st time seeing her "live" and I'm totally expecting a knock down performance, I cannot wait.

But I must admit, I am suffering a little Adele fatigue, She's becoming so overexposed.

She's nothing we haven't heard before. I don't know why I'm talking about her like she is crap, because I'm sure she is nice person. I guess it's because this generation has nothing new to offer. I think the suprise is going to come from the alternative market.