Trouble in Shangri-la vs Say You Will

[BigLee770]

Hi everyone,

As all of us know Stevie's solo album Trouble in Shangri-la was released in 2001, whilst the Fleetwood Mac album was released in 2003. So both were released within a fairly short period of time.

My question is which of the 2 albums in your opinion is better?
You're answer must only be based upon Stevie's contributions regarding Say You Will.
So do you prefer the songs from Stevie's Trouble... or do you think the songs she contributed to Say You Will were better than her own solo songs??

Personally, I will be voting for Say You Will. If I have the choice between putting on either album it would be Say You Will. I think out of the 13 songs on Trouble there are really only a handful of solid Stevie songs: - ie. I personally think her best songs are Sorcerer, Planets - (note how both are actually old demo's), and one or two other are listenable.

For me i think her contributions to Say You Will are far stronger. I think Thrown Down and Everybody Finds Out are musically superb. Lyrically all of her songs are strong with the odd exception.
So for me Say You Will wins...

I hope this poll doesn't start any arguments... lol But i'm just wondering what other people's opinions are...

You Decide...

[TerraRhiannon]

I personally like Trouble in Shangri-La songs the best. Sorcerer, Planets of the Universe, Trouble in Shangri-La, Love Is, Fall From Grace.... I like her vocals on TISL the best too, though I sometimes find her Say You Will songs a bit edgier.

edit: how did I forget fall from grace?

[OooMissionary]

Hmm...

The production in TISL wins, by far.

The song choice for SYW wins, by far.

I'm totally in love with the following on TISL:

Trouble in Shangri-La
Sorcerer
Planets of the Universe
I Miss You
Bombay Sapphires
Fall From Grace
Love Is

I totally in love the following on SYW:

Thrown Down
Everybody Finds Out
Destiny Rules

That being said... I like and listen to both... But TISL wins out

[tilthefirefades]

TISL is my favorite album ever, it is just brilliant from start to finish. And while That Made Me Stronger is not a Love Is or Planets, it's still a decent enough song with a strong melody. SYW is my favorite FM album, mostly because it was my first. I've grown more fond of Lindsey's songs, but Silver Girl is still my favorite from the album

[TerraRhiannon]

Originally Posted by OooMissionary

Hmm...

The production in TISL wins, by far.

The song choice for SYW wins, by far.

I'm totally in love with the following on TISL:

Trouble in Shangri-La
Sorcerer
Planets of the Universe
I Miss You
Bombay Sapphires
Fall From Grace
Love Is

I totally in love the following on SYW:

Thrown Down
Everybody Finds Out
Destiny Rules

That being said... I like and listen to both... But TISL wins out

I've never heard Everybody Finds Out :O But I'm totally in love with Illume, however.

[BigLee770]

I think I agree in that respect with you Ooo Missionary ... The Production in TISL was better but I would argue that the song choices for SYW were better.

[Artemis]

I say. TISL. See. I love evebry day. and the others.

SYW has.. therown down,. RRTG and that otnet one. but. TISL is amazing. I can even listen to the dude s and enjoy them. Wghile Silver Girls make me want to smahs things.

[KarmaContestant]

I'm going to vote for Say You Will, though it's not without disclaimers.

The production on TISL is better.
The vocals on TISL are better.
The songwriting on SYW is better.

Ideally, The songs on SYW combined with Planets, Sorcerer, Candlebright, Love Is, Bombay Sapphires, Fall From Grace and I Miss You in place of Silver Girlwould have made a superior album in my opinion. I think I'll make this playlist for myself when I get home from work.

[HejiraNYC]

TISL fo' shizzle.

There isn't a Stevie song on SYW that makes me go, "wow, this is among the best stuff she's ever done." TISL is full of those moments- "TISL," "Planets...", "It's Only Love," etc. It's frustrating because there were so many songs with potential on SYW that were completely botched by Lindsey. They seriously should have called in John Shanks to produce.

[BigLee770]

"I've never heard Everybody Finds Out :O But I'm totally in love with Illume,"

Here's a link for you Terra Rhiannon....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjF0svqQR9k

I love this song... especially the build up to when Stevie practically spits out the lyrics, "When everybody finds out ... Don't you know" (repetition) - and how the strings build up!!!

[Pyewacket]

It's TISL for me...so much so that, though I've heard Say You Will and (to my surprise) it appears in its entirety on my itunes...I would only be able to sing along with a song or two.

Something about this album just never grabbed me, whether it's the lack of Christine or the fact that "Peacekeeper" sounds in places like Simon and Garfunkel's "Kodachrome"...I think overall it's that packaging-wise and music-wise, it doesn't seem very "juicy." It's a little dry, unlike all my previous entanglements with the Mac.

TISL suffers from this dry blandness a little too (not nearly as badly), but still it's Stevie's best album since Rock A Little.

[TerraRhiannon]

Originally Posted by BigLee770

I've never heard Everybody Finds Out :O But I'm totally in love with Illume, however.[/COLOR]

Here's a link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjF0svqQR9k

I love this song... especially the build up to when Stevie practically spits out the lyrics, "When everybody finds out ... Don't you know" (repetition) - and how the strings build up!!![/QUOTE]

Oh thanks! That is a really good song!

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

It's frustrating because there were so many songs with potential on SYW that were completely botched by Lindsey. They seriously should have called in John Shanks to produce.

This, exactly.

[Musicman408]

I'm almost having to choose SYW, simply because that is the album my dad bought for himself in 2003 while we were on vacation that got me started on Fleetwood Mac/Stevie!!!!

[chiliD]

Both albums have major flaws, but both also have some great tunes.

Initially, I would lean toward Say You Will due to it being Fleetwood Mac and not just "studio cats" making the music. (How can you top John McVie's bass work on "Smile At You"?? That's right, you can't!) After hearing Richard Ashcroft's "New York", Stevie's "Illume" dropped a few notches on my list...they're almost identical, but Ashcroft's was released considerably earlier. If it weren't for the first two lines of "Destiny Rules", that was in the running for my favorite Stevie tune on the album...but, jeez, those first two lines just ruin the rest of the song. She sounds like Johnny friggin' Cash on those...and not in a GOOD way.

But, as far as Stevie Nicks solo albums, TISL, to me, is her best album through & through.

I have a couple of tweaks that would've made it better (for ME, that is):

add "Touched By An Angel" & "Thrown Down" (what has heretofore been referred to as the "wall of sound" version) and toss "Too Far From Texas" off the album and onto a single B-side.