Did Reprise want the song leaked?

[DallasDude]

I think Warner Bros see this song as having a wider appeal than Stevie's fan base. In fact, we can assume that the CD itself might be something of great quality. The roadblock to success is of course her age, and the fact that radio now plays a far less role in creating hits.

In this case, I think WB is priming the market. Why else release a single so early from an aging artist? Why get her in front of a national TV audience to announce another tour? And why pair her with another popular star of her generation? And this new song going viral and being posted not just on YouTube but other popular (heavily-traffic) sites? They obviously want buzz to build so her age doesn't work against people hearing a great CD (and thus selling far more product than just assuming the work will only be of interest to Stevie fans.)

As I listen to the song on loop, I'm starting to here a bit of Alanis Morissette in it, which is the influence of not just Dave but Glenn Ballard.

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by RockAlot

I agree with this, I like the song but was expecting a bit more

Hopefully this is a tease....

I think it is...Secret love imo seems to be a very safe middle of the road,generic,designed to appeal to the masses kind of song...To quote another ledgie it doesn't scream "I'm Back Bitches"...

[louielouie2000]

Originally Posted by DallasDude

I think Warner Bros see this song as having a wider appeal than Stevie's fan base. In fact, we can assume that the CD itself might be something of great quality. The roadblock to success is of course her age, and the fact that radio now plays a far less role in creating hits.

In this case, I think WB is priming the market. Why else release a single so early from an aging artist? Why get her in front of a national TV audience to announce another tour? And why pair her with another popular star of her generation? And this new song going viral and being posted not just on YouTube but other popular (heavily-traffic) sites? They obviously want buzz to build so her age doesn't work against people hearing a great CD (and thus selling far more product than just assuming the work will only be of interest to Stevie fans.)

As I listen to the song on loop, I'm starting to here a bit of Alanis Morissette in it, which is the influence of not just Dave but Glenn Ballard.

Very well said. WB knew in this digital age that as soon as the song was available for pre-order download that it would get out. If they didn't want the song to get out, they wouldn't have done that. If they simply wanted to let people hear the song without it being spread around, they would have come up with an ecrypted, password protected site where you could only stream the song... not download it. That's not what they did here. This is 21st Century promoting, folks.

Personally, I think every single Stevie fan should share the youtube link of Secret Love via the social networking sites you use. In other words, post it to your Facebook page so your friends, coworkers, and relatives might hear it. We want to help build excitment and spread the word about Stevie's new album. The youtube Secret Love has gotten 3,500 hits in 24 hours... and this is likely just from the hardest core Stevie fans. This can be a grass roots thing, y'all. Let's toot our girl's horn and spread the word... it's been ten LONG years!

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by RockAlot

I agree with this, I like the song but was expecting a bit more

Hopefully this is a tease....

Originally Posted by DallasDude

I think Warner Bros see this song as having a wider appeal than Stevie's fan base. In fact, we can assume that the CD itself might be something of great quality. The roadblock to success is of course her age, and the fact that radio now plays a far less role in creating hits.

In this case, I think WB is priming the market. Why else release a single so early from an aging artist? Why get her in front of a national TV audience to announce another tour? And why pair her with another popular star of her generation? And this new song going viral and being posted not just on YouTube but other popular (heavily-traffic) sites? They obviously want buzz to build so her age doesn't work against people hearing a great CD (and thus selling far more product than just assuming the work will only be of interest to Stevie fans.)

As I listen to the song on loop, I'm starting to here a bit of Alanis Morissette in it, which is the influence of not just Dave but Glenn Ballard.

I could have not said it better...As i said before...I respect Dave,but this whole Dave,Dave,Dave thing is getting a little annoying...He is self promoting...Dave is not the only one to have worked on the record...Dave co/produced with Glen Ballard and possibly others...This will all come out when we see the album credits...I am also hearing a little planets of the universe vibe to it...

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Very well said. WB knew in this digital age that as soon as the song was available for pre-order download that it would get out. If they didn't want the song to get out, they wouldn't have done that. If they simply wanted to let people hear the song without it being spread around, they would have come up with an ecrypted, password protected site where you could only stream the song... not download it. That's not what they did here. This is 21st Century promoting, folks.

Personally, I think every single Stevie fan should share the youtube link of Secret Love via the social networking sites you use. In other words, post it to your Facebook page so your friends, coworkers, and relatives might hear it. We want to help build excitment and spread the word about Stevie's new album. The youtube Secret Love has gotten 3,500 hits in 24 hours... and this is likely just from the hardest core Stevie fans. This can be a grass roots thing, y'all. Let's toot our girl's horn and spread the word... it's been ten LONG years!

I don't know how i would feel about putting it on my NicksianNation blog...It has gotten 1200 hits this week and im just starting to promote it ...

[Musicman408]

Originally Posted by DallasDude

As I listen to the song on loop, I'm starting to here a bit of Alanis Morissette in it, which is the influence of not just Dave but Glenn Ballard.

I'm so glad you said that, because I've been thinking that for a day now. Was Ballard an Alanis guy?

I adore the song!

[Musicman408]

BTW, the real litmus test on whether or not this was intentional would be to post the youtube link on the new WB Stevie Nicks FB page, with all of its 125,000 fans!

[BlueDenimLamp]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Very well said. WB knew in this digital age that as soon as the song was available for pre-order download that it would get out. If they didn't want the song to get out, they wouldn't have done that. If they simply wanted to let people hear the song without it being spread around, they would have come up with an ecrypted, password protected site where you could only stream the song... not download it. That's not what they did here. This is 21st Century promoting, folks.

Personally, I think every single Stevie fan should share the youtube link of Secret Love via the social networking sites you use. In other words, post it to your Facebook page so your friends, coworkers, and relatives might hear it. We want to help build excitment and spread the word about Stevie's new album. The youtube Secret Love has gotten 3,500 hits in 24 hours... and this is likely just from the hardest core Stevie fans. This can be a grass roots thing, y'all. Let's toot our girl's horn and spread the word... it's been ten LONG years!

Originally Posted by Musicman408

I'm so glad you said that, because I've been thinking that for a day now. Was Ballard and Alanis guy?

I adore the song!

For those that don't know Glen Ballard Co-wrote and produced "Jagged Little Pill" By Allanis Morissette...Almost EVERY song on Jagged Little Pill has gotten substantial air-play...

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Musicman408

Was Ballard and Alanis guy?

What does this mean???

[Nikolaj]

I try to see both sides, but I don't feel very sorry for Warner Brothers in this- Likely, many SN fans will buy more than one copy, because there has been more than rumours that a documentary of the making of the cd has been filmed, so that leaves the opportunity for a sale of a deluxe cd and dvd edition that is not yet being offered, and then all the people who have pre-ordered may need to buy the deluxe edition. I also think for a cd 4 months away, one mere download wasn't enough incentive- there should be either posters or lithographs, and likely there will be- which means that the diehards will need to order that edition, too.
Also, with stores like Target and Best Buy often offering either bonus songs elsewhere unavailable, or t-shirts, it is the collectors, or biggest fans of Stevie Nicks who will likely wind up with multiple copies of the cd, not the casual Youtube viewer, who will buy it once. Maybe. So, if youtube- free exposure, helps sell cds for a veteran artist, and it may, there's no reason to object to the song giving the album potential buyers.
As for 'torrents' taking a substantial chunk out of the porn industry- sorry, but I doubt it. This and the following isn't meant as harshly as it may 'read'.
-Exactly three people in the United States know how to download torrents, and two of them are on The Ledge! - a joke, and an exaggeration, but I was told by a billionaire years ago that torrents were 'already obsolete, with some loyal people hanging on, but it's the equivalent of Beta, don't bother with it', when I was bummed out I was having difficulty learning it.
I don't mean this smugly, but whatever concert ticket prices may be, tickets are purchased with credit cards. If your credit is good, a splurge on something better than the last row of section C is part of what credit cards are for, if 'down front' matters to you.
You can pay off as quickly or slowly as you like, as long as you make your minimum payments. If your cards don't have a $1000 limit left available for 2 primo Hollywood Bowl seats, one can hardly blame it on torrents or people getting their porn on their computers. Sorry.
How much money a person earns isn't all that relevant to what you pay for your concert experience when it goes on plastic. If you pay bills promptly, you can spend as much as you want, even if it's too much, at a concert. Just my opinion.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

Exactly three people in the United States know how to download torrents, and two of them are on The Ledge!

LOL. My second favorite quote of the month.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Very well said. WB knew in this digital age that as soon as the song was available for pre-order download that it would get out. If they didn't want the song to get out, they wouldn't have done that. If they simply wanted to let people hear the song without it being spread around, they would have come up with an ecrypted, password protected site where you could only stream the song... not download it. That's not what they did here. This is 21st Century promoting, folks.

Personally, I think every single Stevie fan should share the youtube link of Secret Love via the social networking sites you use. In other words, post it to your Facebook page so your friends, coworkers, and relatives might hear it. We want to help build excitment and spread the word about Stevie's new album. The youtube Secret Love has gotten 3,500 hits in 24 hours... and this is likely just from the hardest core Stevie fans. This can be a grass roots thing, y'all. Let's toot our girl's horn and spread the word... it's been ten LONG years!

Agreed. Plus this is a radio edit. I'm guessing that a full version will be available on IYD.

[sodascouts]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

How much money a person earns isn't all that relevant to what you pay for your concert experience when it goes on plastic. If you pay bills promptly, you can spend as much as you want, even if it's too much, at a concert. Just my opinion.

Yikes, Nik. This is the mentality of someone headed for major financial difficulties! At one time, I too thought that having a credit card was a way to spend money I didn't have. I found out differently the hard way. I had to work hard to get out from under my mountain of debt and it was painful. It took me years. I don't encourage anyone else to go down that destructive road... not even for Stevie.

[Nathan]

Rooms on Fire was great. Rooms on Fire
BLAZED. Just for the record...

right there with talk to me, at least, in some
ways I think.

I'm actually thinking the next single, which
is evidently on february 3rd, will turn out
to be far superior to secret Love. stevie has
often held her best stuff for later revelation,
if you will.

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by Nikolaj

I try to see both sides, but I don't feel very sorry for Warner Brothers in this- Likely, many SN fans will buy more than one copy, because there has been more than rumours that a documentary of the making of the cd has been filmed, so that leaves the opportunity for a sale of a deluxe cd and dvd edition that is not yet being offered, and then all the people who have pre-ordered may need to buy the deluxe edition. I also think for a cd 4 months away, one mere download wasn't enough incentive- there should be either posters or lithographs, and likely there will be- which means that the diehards will need to order that edition, too.
Also, with stores like Target and Best Buy often offering either bonus songs elsewhere unavailable, or t-shirts, it is the collectors, or biggest fans of Stevie Nicks who will likely wind up with multiple copies of the cd, not the casual Youtube viewer, who will buy it once. Maybe. So, if youtube- free exposure, helps sell cds for a veteran artist, and it may, there's no reason to object to the song giving the album potential buyers.
As for 'torrents' taking a substantial chunk out of the porn industry- sorry, but I doubt it. This and the following isn't meant as harshly as it may 'read'.
-Exactly three people in the United States know how to download torrents, and two of them are on The Ledge! - a joke, and an exaggeration, but I was told by a billionaire years ago that torrents were 'already obsolete, with some loyal people hanging on, but it's the equivalent of Beta, don't bother with it', when I was bummed out I was having difficulty learning it.
I don't mean this smugly, but whatever concert ticket prices may be, tickets are purchased with credit cards. If your credit is good, a splurge on something better than the last row of section C is part of what credit cards are for, if 'down front' matters to you.
You can pay off as quickly or slowly as you like, as long as you make your minimum payments. If your cards don't have a $1000 limit left available for 2 primo Hollywood Bowl seats, one can hardly blame it on torrents or people getting their porn on their computers. Sorry.
How much money a person earns isn't all that relevant to what you pay for your concert experience when it goes on plastic. If you pay bills promptly, you can spend as much as you want, even if it's too much, at a concert. Just my opinion.

I don't mean to change the subject, and I don't know about torrents specifically, but the internet has killed the porn industry. Why would anyone waste money on porn when there is so much free porn on the internet? But porn is different than music. Nobody really watches porn for the storylines. People just prefer to vary their viewing experience and it isn't so much about quality, but rather the actors looks. Music is completely different. People don't stop buying music because there is so much free music on the internet. There are specific artists people are interested in and willing to spend their money on. I think WB definitely wants this to leak. Why? Because most of Stevie's fans aren't the type who know how to download torrents. They aren't the people out there downloading pirated music. Most of Stevie's casual fans have a family and bills to pay and a full time job and they don't spend their life engulfed with the music industry or what Stevie Nicks is up to. But many of them have a facebook. Many of them have some interaction with the internet. Therefore, getting the new single out there on YouTube and having people spread it around, it is likely to reach those casual fans who wouldn't have gone out and looked for a new Stevie song on their own. By spending NO MONEY, WB is able to bring the song to people. People who are more likely to go buy an album rather than illegally download it. No matter what WB does, they can't completely prevent the album from being made available for illegal download, but they can use that knowledge to their benefit. They would be completely ignorant not to.