Did Reprise want the song leaked?

Jondalar · #1 01-14-2011, 03:32 PM

They have not taken the song down from youtube and Perez Hilton even has it up on his site. It's really going viral. Even Rolling Stone has it on their website. What's going on here?

Christopher · #2 01-14-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar

They have not taken the song down from youtube and Perez Hilton even has it up on his site. It's really going viral. Even Rolling Stone has it on their website. What's going on here?

In a word... YES. The more hits "Secret Love" gets on YouTube, The more it catapults towards a viral sensation. Even Billboard.com follows the latest video sensations on their viral video vault which tracks the must see music clips spreading across the web. Let's pray with Dave's involvement & filming that he and Stevie unveil a nice music video very soon. Maybe it will come on the Feb. 3rd official single release date.

Tango · #3 01-14-2011, 04:37 PM

No. I totally disagree with you. So does Stevie. They're just busy. They could have had it posted it on Stevie's site or WB site or shipped to everyone for free whether they bought the cd or not if they wanted to do a giveaway.

markolas · #4 01-14-2011, 04:45 PM

Of course they did. They wouldn't have offered the free download if they hadn't. Way more people are going to hear it on YT than are going to pre-order the CD.

Christopher · #5 01-14-2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango

No. I totally disagree with you. So does Stevie. They're just busy. They could have had it posted it on Stevie's site or WB site or shipped to everyone for free when they bought the cd if they wanted to do a giveaway.

Huh? They did giveaway the song for free when we bought the CD.

I think we will see when WB finalizes the In Your Dreams track list officially, that those buying through WB directly will be receiving a special edition (like with The Sound Stage Sessions, with bonus artwork/bonus song). And it could be that this initial offer of a free download w/ preorder was to get a ballpark estimation of how many special editions to press. I also think it's entirely possible that they release a different song on Feb. 3rd.

Jeff_TM · #6 01-14-2011, 04:55 PM

I know artists, example, ColdPlay release singles... and then someone puts it up on youtube... I am glad they are turning to 21st century technolagy on getting the word out.. and yes I love the Song, and now can't wait for the album

Tango · #7 01-14-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Christopher

Huh? They did giveaway the song for free when we bought the CD.

I think we will see when WB finalizes the In Your Dreams track list officially, that those buying through WB directly will be receiving a special edition (like with The Sound Stage Sessions, with bonus artwork/bonus song). And it could be that this initial offer of a free download w/ preorder was to get a ballpark estimation of how many special editions to press. I also think it's entirely possible that they release a different song on Feb. 3rd.

Forgive me; I posted too quickly. They could have given it away whether one bought the cd or not. It was a package deal. You got it FREE when you bought the cd. Now it's being given away without buying the cd exactly as Stevie predicted the fans would do.

Jondalar · #8 01-14-2011, 05:16 PM

I think they like the single and think that it is a really good first single.

louielouie2000 · #9 01-14-2011, 05:40 PM

Stevie is a 60 something artist who hasn't released any new material in a full decade... WB wants to flame the fire of excitement. It's pretty smart, actually... it basically costs them no money to leak the song, and now it's all over the internet. It's called building excitement. If WB wanted it off youtube, it'd be gone by now. They knew exactly what would happen with this song being released early. Everyone is playing into their hands precisely the way they wanted. And who knows... maybe this is one of the songs that won't even end up on the album? There are talks of a couple of songs getting chopped. In any event, I think WB is actually quite smart with this move.

BlueDenimLamp · #10 01-14-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Stevie is a 60 something artist who hasn't released any new material in a full decade... WB wants to flame the fire of excitement. It's pretty smart, actually... it basically costs them no money to leak the song, and now it's all over the internet. It's called building excitement. If WB wanted it off youtube, it'd be gone by now. They knew exactly what would happen with this song being released early. Everyone is playing into their hands precisely the way they wanted. And who knows... maybe this is one of the songs that won't even end up on the album? There are talks of a couple of songs getting chopped. In any event, I think WB is actually quite smart with this move.

I have to agree with louie (well put btw) WB knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the "Instant" download....This is where I differ from everyone else...Secret love is new Stevie and it's new and fresh and exciting...But it has not grabbed me yet and i've had it on repeat for 24hrs...Don't get me wrong I do like it...Just hasn't knocked my socks off...Yet...Could be this is an extra track that WB gave away to stir the pot and get peeps talking about Mama again...To me this is not the best thing she has ever done...With all the hype from D Wild,M Fleetwood ,M Branch D,Stewart I was expecting more...WB may have simply thrown us a bone and it seems to be working...I don't think I have ever seen this much Stevie excitement on the inter net EVER...This is only the tip on the Stevie iceberg...As dave said "Stevie fans are in for a wild ride" so LET THE WILD RIDE BEGIN!!!

Jondalar · #11 01-14-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

I have to agree with louie (well put btw) WB knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the "Instant" download....This is where I differ from everyone else...Secret love is new Stevie and it's new and fresh and exciting...But it has not grabbed me yet and i've had it on repeat for 24hrs...Don't get me wrong I do like it...Just hasn't knocked my socks off...Yet...Could be this is an extra track that WB gave away to stir the pot and get peeps talking about Mama again...To me this is not the best thing she has ever done...With all the hype from D Wild,M Fleetwood ,M Branch D,Stewart I was expecting more...WB may have simply thrown us a bone and it seems to be working...I don't think I have ever seen this much Stevie excitement on the inter net EVER...This is only the tip on the Stevie iceberg...As dave said "Stevie fans are in for a wild ride" so LET THE WILD RIDE BEGIN!!!

Well, I don't think it's the best thing she has ever done, but I would put it on a Best of or Greatest Hits. I think it's better than anything since Talk to Me. Rooms on Fire was kinda different, but that single was not a knockout.

P.S. This single was never mentioned by anyone as being their favorite off the album, so you could be right. But it seems to me this is the single that is going to go to radio. However, when Whitney Houston lasts album came out, they tested 4 singles. They kept leaking songs. I guess that's how they choose.

UndoingTheLaces · #12 01-14-2011, 06:46 PM

Piracy Editorial

Before people jump down my throat about this, keep in mind the title of this thread brought up this question. This is only my thoughts on the subject. I'm not pointing fingers (except one, which you'll see) and I make no judgments about anyone here. As a member of The Ledge I was given a topic to speak on and here are my thoughts.

People have such a feeling of entitlement these days. They feel if they want something then they deserve to be given it for free and they will rationalize it nine ways to Sunday to alleviate themselves from responsibility.

I work for a porn company. You guys would be surprised at how many people say to me, "I saw your last movie, it was great. I downloaded it off of a torrent". And if I comment that the video was for sale on DVD or available with a paid membership to our site I get met with all kinds of angry excuses about how expensive porn is and it was just one movie so why should they have to pay for a whole month, and stuff like that. And with more and more piracy going on our numbers have been falling. I started out at this job making a decent amount of money but have only had one raise in the past three years, and it wasn't even enough to cover my raise in rent this year alone. Contrary to popular belief, I do this for a living because it's a job. It's not about having fun and goofing off with porn stars and getting my rocks off. It's about working 9 to 5 like everyone else, getting up when I'd rather be in bed, and handling lots of things I don't always enjoy so I can pay bills and put food on the table. And if there wasn't so much piracy I could afford to pay $500 and get front row seats to see Stevie and Rod but as it stands I'll be way in the back with the cheap seats as usual. I've seen Stevie, who's my favorite artist of all time, ten times in my life and have never been closer than the back of section C.

WB didn't give you a free song. They gave you an advanced download from the CD you were pre-ordering. Is that leaking a song to the public? No. The download is an incentive to get you to order it directly from WB rather than wait and download from iTunes or buy from a retail store. The WB store is it's own thing and they want to make a sale as much as any of the retail stores do. And would a lot of die hard Stevie fans pre-order a CD to get an advanced download. Hell yes.

But thanks to the lovely person who posted it for free on YouTube a nice chunk of WB's pre-sale revenue has been stolen. The person who's idea it was to offer a download with the presale may have had a projection on how many sales this would make. I wonder if they had to take theft into account? And even though it's popular to believe "they have tons of money" the sad truth is that people are being laid off left and right. People who work in entertainment are having the same money problems everyone else is and while the executives might still make a pretty penny, the cost of piracy is all the layoffs, the wage freezes and the two and three moonlighting jobs that the employees at WB have to deal with. People who go to work everyday just like you and me.

tilthefirefades · #13 01-14-2011, 07:08 PM

Oh yes, without a doubt. When I put it on Youtube, they didn't challenge it at all. I was prepared to file a dispute form, but the vdeo was immediatly made public. They knew this would happen, and in one day alone it has almost 3k views.

RockAlot · #14 01-14-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

I have to agree with louie (well put btw) WB knew EXACTLY what they were doing with the "Instant" download....This is where I differ from everyone else...Secret love is new Stevie and it's new and fresh and exciting...But it has not grabbed me yet and i've had it on repeat for 24hrs...Don't get me wrong I do like it...Just hasn't knocked my socks off...Yet...Could be this is an extra track that WB gave away to stir the pot and get peeps talking about Mama again...To me this is not the best thing she has ever done...With all the hype from D Wild,M Fleetwood ,M Branch D,Stewart I was expecting more...WB may have simply thrown us a bone and it seems to be working...I don't think I have ever seen this much Stevie excitement on the inter net EVER...This is only the tip on the Stevie iceberg...As dave said "Stevie fans are in for a wild ride" so LET THE WILD RIDE BEGIN!!!

I agree with this, I like the song but was expecting a bit more

Hopefully this is a tease....

BlueDenimLamp · #15 01-14-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

Piracy Editorial

Before people jump down my throat about this, keep in mind the title of this thread brought up this question. This is only my thoughts on the subject. I'm not pointing fingers (except one, which you'll see) and I make no judgments about anyone here. As a member of The Ledge I was given a topic to speak on and here are my thoughts.

People have such a feeling of entitlement these days. They feel if they want something then they deserve to be given it for free and they will rationalize it nine ways to Sunday to alleviate themselves from responsibility.

I work for a porn company. You guys would be surprised at how many people say to me, "I saw your last movie, it was great. I downloaded it off of a torrent". And if I comment that the video was for sale on DVD or available with a paid membership to our site I get met with all kinds of angry excuses about how expensive porn is and it was just one movie so why should they have to pay for a whole month, and stuff like that. And with more and more piracy going on our numbers have been falling. I started out at this job making a decent amount of money but have only had one raise in the past three years, and it wasn't even enough to cover my raise in rent this year alone. Contrary to popular belief, I do this for a living because it's a job. It's not about having fun and goofing off with porn stars and getting my rocks off. It's about working 9 to 5 like everyone else, getting up when I'd rather be in bed, and handling lots of things I don't always enjoy so I can pay bills and put food on the table. And if there wasn't so much piracy I could afford to pay $500 and get front row seats to see Stevie and Rod but as it stands I'll be way in the back with the cheap seats as usual. I've seen Stevie, who's my favorite artist of all time, ten times in my life and have never been closer than the back of section C.

WB didn't give you a free song. They gave you an advanced download from the CD you were pre-ordering. Is that leaking a song to the public? No. The download is an incentive to get you to order it directly from WB rather than wait and download from iTunes or buy from a retail store. The WB store is it's own thing and they want to make a sale as much as any of the retail stores do. And would a lot of die hard Stevie fans pre-order a CD to get an advanced download. Hell yes.

But thanks to the lovely person who posted it for free on YouTube a nice chunk of WB's pre-sale revenue has been stolen. The person who's idea it was to offer a download with the presale may have had a projection on how many sales this would make. I wonder if they had to take theft into account? And even though it's popular to believe "they have tons of money" the sad truth is that people are being laid off left and right. People who work in entertainment are having the same money problems everyone else is and while the executives might still make a pretty penny, the cost of piracy is all the layoffs, the wage freezes and the two and three moonlighting jobs that the employees at WB have to deal with. People who go to work everyday just like you and me.

I Dowloaded my copy of the song from Mediafire...The link was on twitter...Did I Pre order from WB? NO... I will PAY for my copy of "In Your Dreams" when I BUY it in the store...Does it make a difference weather I pre order or buy it in the store?NO! I am still paying for it...The majority of the people that "stole" secret love WILL buy the record...Again WB knows exactly what it is doing...Why else would they offer a Free download 2 weeks before the single is to be released and a full 3 1/2 months before the album is released...If the entire album is leaked that is another story...